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 Re: A(not so) innocent man  [Re: zappaisgod]
#16415104 - 06/21/12 04:50 PM (10 months, 25 days ago) |
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DeadHearts said:
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Keep blowing shit out your ass.
I dont know why you are so butthurt over something that may not even be true 
Let him answer the charges. Why do you hate women?
I have loved many women 
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Re: A(not so) innocent man [Re: Enlil]
#16415110 - 06/21/12 04:51 PM (10 months, 25 days ago) |
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There aren't any charges to answer...
The women have brought charges that he molested and raped them. He is to be extradited to Sweden to answer them. So far the government of Sweden has not filed charges. But charges have been made. Stop it.
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Re: A(not so) innocent man [Re: zappaisgod]
#16415112 - 06/21/12 04:52 PM (10 months, 25 days ago) |
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LOL. Those are both wikileaks sites with links to wikileaks sites
and?
care to explain what's false in either of those links?
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Re: A(not so) innocent man [Re: zappaisgod]
#16415114 - 06/21/12 04:52 PM (10 months, 25 days ago) |
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Why?
Why do you care so much? About this man in particular?
Im sure you can lash out at all the rape cases in your own state for example...
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Re: A(not so) innocent man [Re: zappaisgod] 1
#16415119 - 06/21/12 04:53 PM (10 months, 25 days ago) |
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If/when the formal charges are brought against the man, he can and should answer them...until then, it's meaningless...
If someone from Borneo said that you raped them, do you think that you have an obligation to answer that accusation even if you haven't been charged with anything?
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Re: A(not so) innocent man [Re: dynomite]
#16415166 - 06/21/12 04:59 PM (10 months, 25 days ago) |
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dynomite said:
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LOL. Those are both wikileaks sites with links to wikileaks sites
and?
care to explain what's false in either of those links?
Where's the super secret indictment e-mail? Come on. Which one of the links in your stuff has it? Why is there no extradition request to Britain? Or Sweden? Why would the US choose to delay an extradition request so that they could later make one to a much less friendly country?
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Re: A(not so) innocent man [Re: Enlil]
#16415192 - 06/21/12 05:03 PM (10 months, 25 days ago) |
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If/when the formal charges are brought against the man, he can and should answer them...until then, it's meaningless...
If someone from Borneo said that you raped them, do you think that you have an obligation to answer that accusation even if you haven't been charged with anything?
If the courts find that so then it is so. Then again, it would be pretty easy for me to prove I have never been to Borneo, so I doubt a British court would find me extraditable. I've never been to Britain either, by the way.
He has already been in court and has been ordered to answer. Fucking hell, counselor, are you well? Don't lawyers believe in law anymore?
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Re: A(not so) innocent man [Re: DeadHearts]
#16415212 - 06/21/12 05:05 PM (10 months, 25 days ago) |
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Why?
Why do you care so much? About this man in particular?
Im sure you can lash out at all the rape cases in your own state for example...
He's in the news. And there is a whole pile of assholes who think he should be immune from criminal charges for criminal behavior just because he hates America. You really should look to yourself about that.
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Re: A(not so) innocent man [Re: zappaisgod] 1
#16415215 - 06/21/12 05:06 PM (10 months, 25 days ago) |
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I believe in the rule of law, sure...But I believe that some laws are morally wrong...in the case of a system that allows someone to be confined to his home for over a year without ever being charged...I'm against that..
Does being a lawyer mean that I can't have a moral compass outside of the legal framework?
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Rail_Gun said, "And those kids in CT deserved to die and I'm glad they're dead. I am glad that the survivors will have to "live with it" too. hahaha"
Listerine said, "i want genocide for most of africa"
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Re: A(not so) innocent man [Re: DeadHearts]
#16415225 - 06/21/12 05:08 PM (10 months, 25 days ago) |
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Re: A(not so) innocent man [Re: Enlil]
#16415237 - 06/21/12 05:10 PM (10 months, 25 days ago) |
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Certainly not a moral one, no.
Would some alleged rapist other than Julian Assange have the obligation to appear in front of the relevant Swedish legal venue or would he not?
Phred
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Re: A(not so) innocent man [Re: Phred]
#16415244 - 06/21/12 05:11 PM (10 months, 25 days ago) |
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Not a moral one...not without being formally charged.
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Rail_Gun said, "And those kids in CT deserved to die and I'm glad they're dead. I am glad that the survivors will have to "live with it" too. hahaha"
Listerine said, "i want genocide for most of africa"
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Re: A(not so) innocent man [Re: dynomite]
#16415249 - 06/21/12 05:11 PM (10 months, 25 days ago) |
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Of the reasons for Julian Assange’s challenge to Sweden’s extradition order, relevant to this topic are:
1) Julian Assange has not been charged with any offense.
2) Sweden has a bilateral agreement with the United States which would allow it to surrender Julian Assange without going through the traditional tests and standards of regular, lengthy ’extradition’ procedures.
3) There are standard EU mechanisms (such as Mutual Legal Assistance) for Julian Assange to answer any questions the Swedish government may have. It is disproportionate, and an abuse, to use extradition proceedings in this manner.
4) Extradition law requires a "judicial authority" (e.g a judge or other independent body) to issue an extradition warrant, in order to keep the separation between the executive and the judiciary. It is an abuse to permit prosecutors, intelligence agents or other officials who are not independent to issue proceedings.
http://www.swedenversusassange.com
the fact that it is a site associated with assange/wikileaks doesn't automatically damage it's credibility
if you have a better source for facts surrounding the case, do share
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Re: A(not so) innocent man [Re: Enlil]
#16415252 - 06/21/12 05:12 PM (10 months, 25 days ago) |
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Enlil said:
I believe in the rule of law, sure...But I believe that some laws are morally wrong...in the case of a system that allows someone to be confined to his home for over a year without ever being charged...I'm against that..
He could have avoided that himself by appearing in Sweden when asked. Should John Dillinger have been allowed to go to Canada and find safe harbor? Don't forget, Assange was already in Sweden when he was asked to answer. But he fled instead.Quote:
Does being a lawyer mean that I can't have a moral compass outside of the legal framework?
Where does your moral compass point for the women who say they were raped? Is it OK if I go on a rape rampage in Canada and then just come home? Australia, his home country, says "fuck him let him face justice".
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Re: A(not so) innocent man [Re: zappaisgod]
#16415261 - 06/21/12 05:13 PM (10 months, 25 days ago) |
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Why?
Why do you care so much? About this man in particular?
Im sure you can lash out at all the rape cases in your own state for example...
He's in the news. And there is a whole pile of assholes who think he should be immune from criminal charges for criminal behavior just because he hates America. You really should look to yourself about that.
Again if he did rape someone he should man up and face the allegations. But nothing points to
that being true and hes yet to be charged for anything. Id fight the system too if I was held for 500
days without charge. Fuck em all.
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Re: A(not so) innocent man [Re: dynomite]
#16415268 - 06/21/12 05:14 PM (10 months, 25 days ago) |
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http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/releasedate/2012-02-28-15-stratfor-emails-reveal-us-has-a-sealed.html
^for the e-mails
I'm not doing this again. Which fucking link has the e-mail? I went through the first five and none of them say anything like that.
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Re: A(not so) innocent man [Re: zappaisgod]
#16415277 - 06/21/12 05:15 PM (10 months, 25 days ago) |
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As I said before...to me, he's innocent at this point...he hasn't even been charged...
My moral compass tells me that if Sweden won't charge him, then they've no legitimate complaint if he doesn't show up.
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Fuck the Amish
Rail_Gun said, "And those kids in CT deserved to die and I'm glad they're dead. I am glad that the survivors will have to "live with it" too. hahaha"
Listerine said, "i want genocide for most of africa"
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Re: A(not so) innocent man [Re: Enlil]
#16415278 - 06/21/12 05:16 PM (10 months, 25 days ago) |
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We're not talking "moral" here, we're talking legal.
The fact of the matter is that in this case, the Swedish legal code is being followed. You may think there are flaws in that legal code, but that is beside the point.
As for why the UK delayed so long rather than extraditing him to Sweden immediately upon receiving the request to extradite, that is a whole 'nother ball of wax. I have no idea why the UK decided it better to delay.
Phred
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Re: A(not so) innocent man [Re: zappaisgod]
#16415304 - 06/21/12 05:18 PM (10 months, 25 days ago) |
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zappaisgod said:
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dynomite said:
http://wikileaks.org/gifiles/releasedate/2012-02-28-15-stratfor-emails-reveal-us-has-a-sealed.html
^for the e-mails
I'm not doing this again. Which fucking link has the e-mail? I went through the first five and none of them say anything like that.
well maybe if you would have gone to the 6th link lol
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Email-ID 375123
Date 2011-01-26 15:23:28
From burton@stratfor.com
To secure@stratfor.com
Not for Pub --
We have a sealed indictment on Assange.
Pls protect
Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T
not much but hey  it's what you asked for, and i'm sure there's a lot more in the rest of the links if you care enough to look at raw evidence
and really, that was the 6th link
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Re: A(not so) innocent man [Re: Phred]
#16415312 - 06/21/12 05:19 PM (10 months, 25 days ago) |
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YOU'RE talking about legal obligation...I'm talking about moral obligation...
I'm talking about confining a person who is presumed innocent for over a year without charges...that's what I'm talking about.
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Rail_Gun said, "And those kids in CT deserved to die and I'm glad they're dead. I am glad that the survivors will have to "live with it" too. hahaha"
Listerine said, "i want genocide for most of africa"
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