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 Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus  [Re: cacharstar]
#16395177 - 06/17/12 03:14 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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http://europa.eu/legislation_summaries/justice_freedom_security/free_movement_of_persons_asylum_immigration/index_en.htm
straight from the horses mouth about the free movement and immigration of people within the EU.
How does this tie in to immigration in America?
Go back and read the thread perhaps? In an attempt to validate the U.S. policy toward immigration and validate his own point of view Zappa said no other country has open immigration policies. Obviously, that is wrong because the EU has open immigration policies for member countries per that link to the EU's own website.
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: cacharstar]
#16395208 - 06/17/12 03:22 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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Big deal here is, are they paying the income taxes we pay? Or are they scabbing under the table? I'll answer they are freeloading the benefits the tax payers pay for. This is not fair to the citizens of America, also, I would like to interdict the proper language. ENGLISH, speak it or get out!
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: SlashOZ]
#16395342 - 06/17/12 03:55 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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The EU does not have open immigration outside of the EU. People can move freely within the EU. That isn't open borders, is it? Can an Ecuadorean just go to any country in Europe? No he cannot.
That Daily News article that GE doesn't pay taxes is a sensationalist lie. Illegal immigrants paid 11.2B in taxes? 11.2? That amounts to about $1,000 each. They would have to pay at least 10 times that much for Americans to break even. They are fucking parasites.
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: zappaisgod]
#16395406 - 06/17/12 04:10 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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What's wrong with this zappa? The very states those young illegals came to would jail those kids if they didn't follow the commands of their parents, and yet they're supposed to be held to task for not somehow compelling their parents to follow the law?
The way this country treats children is such that it is unjust to hold them to account for almost anything. maybe if the kids had a choice about being dragged around by their crackhead parents I might sympathize with your viewpoint, but so long as a kid faces criminal charges for not following the instructions of their parents, there's not much justification I see in treating them as the responsible party.
For those not morally responsible, some work permit would be reasonable. If you want to turn the screws, do it on the parents.
What the fuck are you talking about? Illegals need to be deported. Period. Just get the fuck out and I don't care about anything else. No jail, just a bus.
But who will cut my grass and fix my roof damage?!
Well those were things I did when I was young so maybe a fucking American?
I was being sarcastic, I mowed my lawn when I was younger for years. Only roofing I have done tho has been tearing one down, not repairing it.
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: zappaisgod]
#16395414 - 06/17/12 04:12 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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The EU does not have open immigration outside of the EU. People can move freely within the EU. That isn't open borders, is it? Can an Ecuadorean just go to any country in Europe? No he cannot.
That Daily News article that GE doesn't pay taxes is a sensationalist lie. Illegal immigrants paid 11.2B in taxes? 11.2? That amounts to about $1,000 each. They would have to pay at least 10 times that much for Americans to break even. They are fucking parasites.
the 11.2 figure is just for state and local taxes. i'm assuming that if they don't make enough money to qualify for federal income taxes then they are paying roughly the same share in taxes as citizens who also do not make enough to qualify for federal income taxes. the point is they are paying taxes and at the same rate as citizens who make a comparable amount in wages because state and local taxes are built into the economy via food, gas, and property taxes. most education funding is on the state and local level so this basically takes out any semblance of argument you have regarding them getting a free education.
the EU does have open immigration within their zone. Its a good model to have because the U.S. has basically the same model. the more open the borders of the world the better off we are. imagine how horrible it would be if you had to get a passport to travel from Texas to California or from New York to Massachusetts. When you use common sense it really doesn't seem logical to restrict people's movement based on where they are from. freedom of movement is good rather than bad. finally, you have still not made an argument for why governments should restrict where people are able to live and travel based solely on their place of birth.
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"Look up at me I am God, look down on me and I am evil, look at me I am you." - Charles Manson.
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: zappaisgod]
#16395464 - 06/17/12 04:26 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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How does one go about determining the amount of time an illegal alien has lived in the country? They don't provide INS with a time stamped receipt upon hopping the border. Also what agency or group of individuals will be tasked with deciding on how long each of the 800,000 (likely more) young illegals have lived here? What a fucking quagmire. Throw them the fuck out.
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: Humility]
#16395847 - 06/17/12 06:21 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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A clean vagina is a happy vagina.
"Illegals" are here, whether you like it or not. The vast majority of "illegal" Mexican immigrants migrate to areas that have been Hispanic since Old World peoples started migrating to the New World.
You're complaining about a trend that isn't going to reverse. What has in fact reversed are social and cultural ties to land. Mexican individuals are reclaiming land that they've owned (literally) for centuries.
They are here and not going away, what they are doing is reproducing at rates that are commiserate with lower socioeconomic classes.
I approve highly.
exactly. it isn't possible to stop.
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: Knewnews]
#16395944 - 06/17/12 06:59 PM (10 months, 29 days ago) |
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A clean vagina is a happy vagina.
"Illegals" are here, whether you like it or not. The vast majority of "illegal" Mexican immigrants migrate to areas that have been Hispanic since Old World peoples started migrating to the New World.
You're complaining about a trend that isn't going to reverse. What has in fact reversed are social and cultural ties to land. Mexican individuals are reclaiming land that they've owned (literally) for centuries.
They are here and not going away, what they are doing is reproducing at rates that are commiserate with lower socioeconomic classes.
I approve highly.
exactly. it isn't possible to stop.
Im inclined to agree with that. Maybe this is a good thing after all. Its like the war on drugs.
Endless and detrimental to everyone involved.
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: DeadHearts]
#16403882 - 06/19/12 04:09 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/18/U-S-Teens-Face-Worst-Summertime-Hiring-Since-World-War-II
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For the third year in a row, American teenagers hoping to land summer jobs will face the worst teen hiring slump since World War II.
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: zappaisgod]
#16403892 - 06/19/12 04:12 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/06/18/U-S-Teens-Face-Worst-Summertime-Hiring-Since-World-War-II
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For the third year in a row, American teenagers hoping to land summer jobs will face the worst teen hiring slump since World War II.
I hope you dont think a Romney can help that.
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: DeadHearts]
#16403948 - 06/19/12 04:25 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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His policies will be much better for them than Obama's (who could be worse?). I certainly don't see him flooding the market with illegals by fiat.
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: zappaisgod]
#16404047 - 06/19/12 04:44 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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His policies will be much better for them than Obama's (who could be worse?).
I will remember this statement.
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: DeadHearts]
#16404066 - 06/19/12 04:47 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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Do.
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: zappaisgod]
#16404297 - 06/19/12 05:31 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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romney will poverty draft them all to go fight in Iran!
lol zappa its painfully obvious that you dont yet grasp the economic shit we're in. if romney does not accelerate obama's spending, the economy will crash.
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: Shins]
#16404328 - 06/19/12 05:36 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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romney will poverty draft them all to go fight in Iran!
lol zappa its painfully obvious that you dont yet grasp the economic shit we're in. if romney does not accelerate obama's spending, the economy will crash.
Quoted for posterity
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: Shins]
#16404372 - 06/19/12 05:42 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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romney will poverty draft them all to go fight in Iran!
Your posts keep on railing against these straw men, I see. Who has suggested we wage a war in Iran? The most radical suggestions of any mainstream traction seem to be a destruction of their nuclear facilities.
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lol zappa its painfully obvious that you dont yet grasp the economic shit we're in. if romney does not accelerate obama's spending, the economy will crash.
More ad hominems. Fantastic, now I'm convinced- your right because zappa is ignorant.
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: johnm214]
#16404381 - 06/19/12 05:43 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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Is everything anyone else ever says a straw man in your eyes or what? 
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: DeadHearts]
#16404407 - 06/19/12 05:48 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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No. Straw men are straw men, though
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: zappaisgod]
#16404438 - 06/19/12 05:52 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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No. Straw men are straw men, though
That was to jon.
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: DeadHearts]
#16404444 - 06/19/12 05:53 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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I know
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