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Backpacking Calories???
    #16393432 - 06/17/12 05:08 AM (10 months, 29 days ago)

So im hearing some people say you need 4k+ calories while backpacking. I agree with this statement as I have hiked for miles without sufficient food and felt the results. But how in the HELL does one accomplish this task? I mean.....a man can only eat so many cliff bars before he feels like throwing up. Not to mention the mounds of sugar he is consuming in the process.

Consider the following :strokebeard:

You start your day with 2 packets of oatmeal (300 Calories), You eat trail mix and cliff bars throughout the day for lunch, lets say 2 cliff bars (500 calories) and a few handfulls of trailmix (700 calories). So far you are at 1000 Calories :facepalm: By now you are probably feeling like shit, or at least manifesting a headache from your body beginning to enter fasting mode. So for Dinner you crack open the old penny stone (or jetboil :shrug:), and boil up some water for a freeze dried meal, ill be generous and say its a bigger one that has 700 calories. So far thats only 1700 calories you have had ALL fucking day :bored: But hey! You should sleep good, after all your body is probably exhausted!

See my point? :foreheadslap: Lets say you added on another freeze dried meal for lunch (600 calories).....we will ignore the fact that after dinner you will have eaten 6k+ Mg of sodium so far. That STILL only puts you at 2300 calories for the entire day. :leafromp:


TEACH ME HOW TO FEED MYSELF ON THE TRAIL! On each of my backpacking excursions so far (only lasting 2 days or so), by the end I feel sick, weak, and near the point of vomiting until I have proper food in me! advice?


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Re: Backpacking Calories??? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #16393534 - 06/17/12 06:35 AM (10 months, 29 days ago)

The idea is to get the most calorie-packed, nutrient-dense food per ounce as possible...
I find some people eat like shit on the trail, while others eat like kings...
I follow the eat like a king philosophy. Because your body needs it.
If you starve your body, it will punish you for it.

I personally avoid anything "instant" or made with bleached white flour.
Things like ramen, instant oatmeal, 'minute' rice, generally all starch and no nutrients. "Nutrient-Void" foods I call them. go with whole grains.
The only exception is maybe those fancy freeze dried just add water meals which I might have once in a while
but they are expensive and it's better to just make your own dehydrated meals
If I have oatmeal it's steel cut oats. Soak in water for an hour or two before, cooks up in about 10 mins, throw in some raisins and honey

Trail mix (Gorp) is a major source of calories and fats.
I make my own with a variety of super nuts (almonds, walnuts, cashews, sunflower/pumpkin seeds, dried fruit, chocolate (70%+ cacao), etc)
I throw hemp seed into my trail mix for a super boost. best plant based protein you can get, one of the single most nutritious foods on the planet for humans.
Shit, you could live on just the hemp seed alone, and healthily... but I need some variety.
Nuts & Seeds are one of the best sources of calorie dense foods.

Beef & Salmon Jerky are excellent. Tuna in the foil packs is a necessary for me.
I always bring Peanut Butter & honey. Calorie packed and nom nom nom
Any form of Nut butter is good as a nutrient dense food. (Almond Butter, Hempseed..)
Flatbread. Keeps for a longer time, doesn't get smashed, and so you can make tuna pitas and peanut butter and honey sandwiches
Cheese. I crave cheese on the trail (for the calcium, I think..and the opiate release). Who the fuck doesn't love cheese?
So I usually bring some cheese with me. A nice hard/firm cheese is the safest bet as it will stay good longer.

You especially need to get your vegetables and greens on the trail, but that can be exceptionally hard.
If you have a dehydrator, you can make your own dehydrated veggies/beans soup for pennies, prepare beforehand, and then just add to boiling water.
Things like seaweed, kelp, spirulina, kale and other "supergreens" are super nutrient dense and a very good idea. I found these dried kelp chips that I love.
Oils. I usually bring a small thing of Olive Oil with me. Add it to anything pretty much, tons of calories and healthy fats.
I know backpackers that will just drink a shot of olive oil for a calorie boost

Fruit is an absolute necessity. But you can't just bring whole fresh fruit, it would weigh 500 lbs. That's why you bring dehydrated fruit.
A dehydrator is worth it's weight in gold for creating your own backpacking meals.

It can be a bit of a challenge to get sufficient calories on the trail, but if you plan ahead it's not that hard.
Spending a ton of money on freeze dried, sodium loaded "backpacking meals" is just not an option IMO
Neither is living solely off Cliff Bars. Energy bars and candy bars, should just be a thing you eat sparingly,
You should be eating good "healthy" food throughout the day, also drink PLENTY of water.
But when backpacking especially, that's a good excuse to eat like a king.
The KEY is to plan your meals in advance and get the most lightweight, nutrient-dense, calorie rich foods possible pretty much.
Also I guess it's generally accepted when it comes to backpacking that SIMPLE carbs are more the desired form rather than complex carbs.

Instead of eating a couple big meals, I eat a bunch of little meals and snack steadily throughout the day
This also helps stabilize your metabolism and blood sugar and ensure you don't get a "crash".
I think the saying goes, snack early, snack often?
An example of my backpacking meal routine would look something like this:

breakfast: oatmeal / granola / rice with raisins/honey/fruit
snack on GORP. Swedish Fish.
lunch: pita+peanut butter or tuna, dried fruit, cheese/crackers
snack2: jerky & GORP
dinner: homemade "premixed" dehydrated veggie soup / couscous&veggies / pasta / beans&rice
snack3: dried fruit. kelp chips, high fat crackers, Red Vines / chocolate
Powdered Emergen-C drinks or similar electrolyte mixes for flavor and Vit C (plain water gets boring)
whey-protein or hempseed protein drink (mix w/ water)


The best way to eat on the trail, (and also the only way to really get 4k+ calories a day) is to snack often, consistently throughout the day, with smaller meals in between.
You can get as creative and crazy as you want. I suggest a dehydrator if you want to be for real deal about it.
If you make your own meals, it may take a bit of thought and preparation but it pays off.

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=13490
http://www.adventurealan.com/food_general.htm
http://www.backpackingchef.com/
http://sectionhiker.com/long-distance-backpacking-meals/

Following these and similar methods, 5,000 'healthy' calories a day is attainable :cheers:


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Re: Backpacking Calories??? [Re: Az0th]
    #16394351 - 06/17/12 12:40 PM (10 months, 28 days ago)

Thanks for the response.....:cheers: how do you go about cooking beans and rice n the trail?


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Re: Backpacking Calories??? [Re: Az0th]
    #16396305 - 06/17/12 08:53 PM (10 months, 28 days ago)

Quote:

Shroomism said:
The idea is to get the most calorie-packed, nutrient-dense food per ounce as possible...
I find some people eat like shit on the trail, while others eat like kings...
I follow the eat like a king philosophy. Because your body needs it.
If you starve your body, it will punish you for it.

I personally avoid anything "instant" or made with bleached white flour.
Things like ramen, instant oatmeal, 'minute' rice, generally all starch and no nutrients. "Nutrient-Void" foods I call them. go with whole grains.
The only exception is maybe those fancy freeze dried just add water meals which I might have once in a while
but they are expensive and it's better to just make your own dehydrated meals
If I have oatmeal it's steel cut oats. Soak in water for an hour or two before, cooks up in about 10 mins, throw in some raisins and honey

Trail mix (Gorp) is a major source of calories and fats.
I make my own with a variety of super nuts (almonds, walnuts, cashews, sunflower/pumpkin seeds, dried fruit, chocolate (70%+ cacao), etc)
I throw hemp seed into my trail mix for a super boost. best plant based protein you can get, one of the single most nutritious foods on the planet for humans.
Shit, you could live on just the hemp seed alone, and healthily... but I need some variety.
Nuts & Seeds are one of the best sources of calorie dense foods.

Beef & Salmon Jerky are excellent. Tuna in the foil packs is a necessary for me.
I always bring Peanut Butter & honey. Calorie packed and nom nom nom
Any form of Nut butter is good as a nutrient dense food. (Almond Butter, Hempseed..)
Flatbread. Keeps for a longer time, doesn't get smashed, and so you can make tuna pitas and peanut butter and honey sandwiches
Cheese. I crave cheese on the trail (for the calcium, I think..and the opiate release). Who the fuck doesn't love cheese?
So I usually bring some cheese with me. A nice hard/firm cheese is the safest bet as it will stay good longer.

You especially need to get your vegetables and greens on the trail, but that can be exceptionally hard.
If you have a dehydrator, you can make your own dehydrated veggies/beans soup for pennies, prepare beforehand, and then just add to boiling water.
Things like seaweed, kelp, spirulina, kale and other "supergreens" are super nutrient dense and a very good idea. I found these dried kelp chips that I love.
Oils. I usually bring a small thing of Olive Oil with me. Add it to anything pretty much, tons of calories and healthy fats.
I know backpackers that will just drink a shot of olive oil for a calorie boost

Fruit is an absolute necessity. But you can't just bring whole fresh fruit, it would weigh 500 lbs. That's why you bring dehydrated fruit.
A dehydrator is worth it's weight in gold for creating your own backpacking meals.

It can be a bit of a challenge to get sufficient calories on the trail, but if you plan ahead it's not that hard.
Spending a ton of money on freeze dried, sodium loaded "backpacking meals" is just not an option IMO
Neither is living solely off Cliff Bars. Energy bars and candy bars, should just be a thing you eat sparingly,
You should be eating good "healthy" food throughout the day, also drink PLENTY of water.
But when backpacking especially, that's a good excuse to eat like a king.
The KEY is to plan your meals in advance and get the most lightweight, nutrient-dense, calorie rich foods possible pretty much.
Also I guess it's generally accepted when it comes to backpacking that SIMPLE carbs are more the desired form rather than complex carbs.

Instead of eating a couple big meals, I eat a bunch of little meals and snack steadily throughout the day
This also helps stabilize your metabolism and blood sugar and ensure you don't get a "crash".
I think the saying goes, snack early, snack often?
An example of my backpacking meal routine would look something like this:

breakfast: oatmeal / granola / rice with raisins/honey/fruit
snack on GORP. Swedish Fish.
lunch: pita+peanut butter or tuna, dried fruit, cheese/crackers
snack2: jerky & GORP
dinner: homemade "premixed" dehydrated veggie soup / couscous&veggies / pasta / beans&rice
snack3: dried fruit. kelp chips, high fat crackers, Red Vines / chocolate
Powdered Emergen-C drinks or similar electrolyte mixes for flavor and Vit C (plain water gets boring)
whey-protein or hempseed protein drink (mix w/ water)


The best way to eat on the trail, (and also the only way to really get 4k+ calories a day) is to snack often, consistently throughout the day, with smaller meals in between.
You can get as creative and crazy as you want. I suggest a dehydrator if you want to be for real deal about it.
If you make your own meals, it may take a bit of thought and preparation but it pays off.

http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/forums/thread_display.html?forum_thread_id=13490
http://www.adventurealan.com/food_general.htm
http://www.backpackingchef.com/
http://sectionhiker.com/long-distance-backpacking-meals/

Following these and similar methods, 5,000 'healthy' calories a day is attainable :cheers:




That is one sexy answer that I must say does the backpacker justice
Also I love venison jerky when when packing or whenever..not quite as healthy but I luv dem deers. I try to do sardines bc even though they are a pain to debone it gives me time to rest and "make" my meal package size diff isn't much at all considering...even if tin... And you can get the ones that come in oil so it's all those calories packed in one! Sardines super healthy and I like em fish things with some good hot sauce and on a flatbread/pita type deal mhmmm

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Re: Backpacking Calories??? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #16398253 - 06/18/12 05:00 AM (10 months, 28 days ago)

Sardines are good too.. the one I get are already deboned. At least I think they are :confused: I eat them whole anyway.

Quote:

Real CA Milk said:
Thanks for the response.....:cheers: how do you go about cooking beans and rice n the trail?




I suppose that depends. If you buy those premade beans and rice bags, I think they take about 20ish minutes to cook up.
If you just bring your own beans and rice it can take longer,
the best thing for hard dry beans is to soak them in water for at least an hour
or even overnight to get them rehydrated, then they will cook up in the normal amount of time
To conserve fuel I boil for about 5 mins (covered), let sit for about 10 minutes (insulated), then boil again for another 5 mins or so depending how much time it needs.

Or if you want to do it for real deal, make your own and dehydrate that shit



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Re: Backpacking Calories??? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #16398268 - 06/18/12 05:11 AM (10 months, 28 days ago)

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Real CA Milk said:
Thanks for the response.....:cheers: how do you go about cooking beans and rice n the trail?



Penny stove.


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Re: Backpacking Calories??? [Re: Ieponumos]
    #16399545 - 06/18/12 07:52 PM (10 months, 27 days ago)

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Quote:

Real CA Milk said:
Thanks for the response.....:cheers: how do you go about cooking beans and rice n the trail?



Penny stove.





About that, any other options besides a penny stove? I kinda want a stove that doesnt require work, tools and reaserch just to produce a stove that might be ruined if I step on it. Its a cool stove and all, but just not for me. Any other stronger stoves (even alcohol stoves) You guys might recommend me? And how big a pot should I get? I normally just go backpacking with 1 other person. Id like to be able to cook mac and choose, beans or rice, maybe a curry.

Suggestions?


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Women who seek to be equal with men lack ambition -Timothy Leary

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Re: Backpacking Calories??? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #16399728 - 06/18/12 08:31 PM (10 months, 27 days ago)

If you don't want to make one, the guy on that page who makes them, sells a whole penny stove kit for $20. (Last I checked)

I would highly recommend one. They are a lot more durable than you would think.
They cook as fast (or even faster) than many fancy $100+ gas backpacking stoves.
Extremely fuel efficient.  A capful of denatured alcohol is enough to boil a pot of water.
And you can get fuel pretty much anywhere. Denatured alcohol is best, and can be found at any hardware store. (like $10 a gallon..)
You can even use HEET or multiple other white fuels. But denatured is the best, cleanest burning?, very efficient for a penny stove, cheap and readily available

Or just get a regular backpacking stove. Then carry 2+ lbs of weight just in the stove assembly and have to buy fuel or get your canisters refilled all the time.
Penny stoves main advantages is that they are super lightweight, takes very little space, and boil water as good as any other stove out there, usually on less fuel. But the main thing is the fuel is easy to get anywhere. They are also SUPER simple to operate, and pretty much no moving parts so it's hard to mess them up.

I ended up ditching my $140 MSI Whisperlite (how much it cost when I got it) for a penny stove. Just saying.
The "lightweight camping stove" was even a pain in my ass. So clunky, so many moving parts, shit would break and you would have to find replacement parts. Pretty much had to carry a 'stove repair kit'. Not to mention the fuel, which you would either have to buy new canisters or get your shit refilled at a camping store.

Penny stove is fucking awesome. Pour in alcohol, light. No moving parts to break, just a couple tiny holes and it produces a nice steady flame.
The only 'major' downside is you have little control over the intensity of the flame, there's no low/medium/high. It's just medium/high.
Perfect for boiling water and good enough for cooking most anything.

The only thing I haven't been able to really cook on my stove, is a big giant ass frying pan for bacon&eggs. But a regular frying pan works fine.
But that's car camping. No one is taking bacon and eggs and massive cast iron frying pans backpacking, unless they are crazy.
And in that case you can just use one of those big ass $40 coleman stoves, or cook it on the fire. (Never cook titanium or aluminum on the fire).
And I don't recommend an aluminum pot for health reasons. You can research if you want. Some people don't care, I err on the side of caution.

I pretty much use one pot for everything. I have a MSR non-stick Titanium Pot, the lid is deep and doubles as a frying pan.
Very similar to this one, but I only have one pot/lid, my stove and most of my kitchen stuff fits inside it when I'm packed up


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Re: Backpacking Calories??? [Re: Az0th]
    #16400050 - 06/18/12 09:26 PM (10 months, 27 days ago)

Quote:

Shroomism said:
If you don't want to make one, the guy on that page who makes them, sells a whole penny stove kit for $20. (Last I checked)

I would highly recommend one. They are a lot more durable than you would think.
They cook as fast (or even faster) than many fancy $100+ gas backpacking stoves.
Extremely fuel efficient.  A capful of denatured alcohol is enough to boil a pot of water.
And you can get fuel pretty much anywhere. Denatured alcohol is best, and can be found at any hardware store. (like $10 a gallon..)
You can even use HEET or multiple other white fuels. But denatured is the best, cleanest burning?, very efficient for a penny stove, cheap and readily available

Or just get a regular backpacking stove. Then carry 2+ lbs of weight just in the stove assembly and have to buy fuel or get your canisters refilled all the time.
Penny stoves main advantages is that they are super lightweight, takes very little space, and boil water as good as any other stove out there, usually on less fuel. But the main thing is the fuel is easy to get anywhere. They are also SUPER simple to operate, and pretty much no moving parts so it's hard to mess them up.

I ended up ditching my $140 MSI Whisperlite (how much it cost when I got it) for a penny stove. Just saying.
The "lightweight camping stove" was even a pain in my ass. So clunky, so many moving parts, shit would break and you would have to find replacement parts. Pretty much had to carry a 'stove repair kit'. Not to mention the fuel, which you would either have to buy new canisters or get your shit refilled at a camping store.

Penny stove is fucking awesome. Pour in alcohol, light. No moving parts to break, just a couple tiny holes and it produces a nice steady flame.
The only 'major' downside is you have little control over the intensity of the flame, there's no low/medium/high. It's just medium/high.
Perfect for boiling water and good enough for cooking most anything.

The only thing I haven't been able to really cook on my stove, is a big giant ass frying pan for bacon&eggs. But a regular frying pan works fine.
But that's car camping. No one is taking bacon and eggs and massive cast iron frying pans backpacking, unless they are crazy.
And in that case you can just use one of those big ass $40 coleman stoves, or cook it on the fire. (Never cook titanium or aluminum on the fire).
And I don't recommend an aluminum pot for health reasons. You can research if you want. Some people don't care, I err on the side of caution.

I pretty much use one pot for everything. I have a MSR non-stick Titanium Pot, the lid is deep and doubles as a frying pan.
Very similar to this one, but I only have one pot/lid, my stove and most of my kitchen stuff fits inside it when I'm packed up




links my friend....links!!!


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Women who seek to be equal with men lack ambition -Timothy Leary

Everyone has their own unique brand of toxic psychosis
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Re: Backpacking Calories??? [Re: Almond Flour]
    #16400690 - 06/18/12 11:16 PM (10 months, 27 days ago)

:rave: IMPULSE BUY THAT I CANT AFFORD :rave:

So Im at the camping store near me, when the manager of the store keeps seeing me eye the stoves and pots. I told her im looking at the simmerlite but wondering if I should get it because its being discontinued. She tells me. ILL MARK 20% off! :rockon: So I buy it! With a small spork, a fuel bottle, a can of gas, and an MSR alpine 775 ml pot. The stove and everything fits inside the pot and its pretty badass. Just cooked a box of mac and cheese as a test run so im pretty happy :shrug: My first step to cooking REAL food on the trail.

I know alcohol stoves are lighter and pretty efficient, and if I ever decide to hike the Appalachian trail, or become a backpacking guide.....I might consider one. But with my child I really cant be out on a camping trip for longer than a weekend :lol: Hell even for an overnighter I spend a good amount of time worrying about my fiance and child :strokebeard:

Hopefully I dont regret the purchase, It went on my credit card :bored: But I am excited :naughty: I kind of regret buying my jetboil though :failboat: I only paid $50 for the titanium one so I guess it was a good deal. And if I ever feel like doing a moderate overnighter with freeze dried food At least I have the option.


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Women who seek to be equal with men lack ambition -Timothy Leary

Everyone has their own unique brand of toxic psychosis
-Alexander Shulgin :willynilly:

living forever would be a terrible curse if there were not also quality of life to match it. :wander: -Unknown

There may be flies on you and me, but there are no flies on Jesus -Hunter Thompson


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