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Freedom said:
there is this thing that can be limited to the body yet if not conceptualized but experienced can go beyond the body.


anyone know wtf I'm talking about?

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deff said:
go beyond even that

i think i know what you're talking about - a sense of awareness almost like a blob that can become formless when identification with form ceases. but i think it's beneficial to not identify with this awareness either, let go of even that.

reminds me of the heart sutra:
gate gate paragate parasamgate bodhi svaha!
gone, gone, gone beyond, gone totally beyond, enlightenment svaha!

if that's not what you're talking about then ignore this

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deff said:
go beyond even that

i think i know what you're talking about - a sense of awareness almost like a blob that can become formless when identification with form ceases. but i think it's beneficial to not identify with this awareness either, let go of even that.

reminds me of the heart sutra:
gate gate paragate parasamgate bodhi svaha!
gone, gone, gone beyond, gone totally beyond, enlightenment svaha!

if that's not what you're talking about then ignore this

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So whats beyond that? Or is it one of those things you keep quiet about? The first rule of Enlightenment club, is you don't talk about Enlightenment club, or something like that?

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i'm far from enlightened, but i'd say a peace free from all discursiveness

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Kickle said:
well it's a mantra from the heart sutra
so I think what's being pointed to has to do with heart

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sounds good too

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Freedom said:
there is this thing that can be limited to the body yet if not conceptualized but experienced can go beyond the body.


anyone know wtf I'm talking about?

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Freedom said:
what do you mean identify? this shit is so hard to talk about

an experience of no limits describes it, yet had I not experienced it the phrase would be meaningless, and if I had experienced it but described it with different words, the phrase would still be meaningless.

one thing about it is that emotion seems to change character

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If I get you correctly, the only way to know if the experience is meaningless would be to...

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cbub said:
It's simpler if you see awareness as a liquid substance.
You can fill your body with it, you can fill the entire room with it, you can fill the town, the country, the planet, the solar system, the galaxy... beyond.
Then you can open the door without door. and go further.
bodhi svaha!
You see you are this liquid, pouring through the center of all creation - the body you call your own. You're the creative force that made this universe. The sphere where the circumference is nowhere and the center everywhere. It's all made out of you.
You are That!
Eat my flesh, drink my blood, it's all you've ever eaten!
Look for god! Where is 'he'? So funny, you actually can't know anything, except god. All you've ever known, even you yourself.
Involve the mind and it's all gone.
That's exactly the function of the mind. It's made to create the separation, just like a douche nozzle. There's no oneness through mind's thought. Which makes this text completely ridiculous because the mind is what is perceiving it.
Hail the doer.

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at first i disagreed with your first sentence, don't see awareness as anything, nobody can tangibly 'see awareness' as anything

but generally awesome post & awesome analogy with the shower head, im gonna use that one

we are both god, so its not really stealing

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cbub said:
Haha, all yours fellow nozzle!
Erm, no wait, we're the water right?

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cbub said:
Haha, all yours fellow nozzle!
Erm, no wait, we're the water right?

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