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 SlashOZ
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 Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus  [Re: Seuss]
#16386719 - 06/15/12 08:09 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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There are a few things this thread is not making much sense to me on:
1. civility. illegal immigrants are people. they are not vermin.
2. it seems like everyone in this thread is assuming that illegal immigrants are bad without giving an argument.
3. it also seems like there is a false assumption that hunting down every single illegal alien in the country is monetarily and logistically feasible. just where in the budget would this massive roundup come from?
4. finally, i'm confused as to why hiring cheap foreign labor is bad for the economy? doesn't lower payroll -> lower prices in goods? I was under the impression you against the federal minimum wage Zappa but if you aren't feel free to correct me. for example, instead hiring one american to work at $10 an hour why not hire two illegals for $5 an hour. you get more work done for the same price and two people are working rather than drawing unemployment. its more efficient and that leads to cheaper prices for consumers. most illegals pay taxes so its not like the social services they are getting come from nowhere either.
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-03-16/news/31199931_1_residency-and-taxpaying-illegal-immigrants-taxation-and-economic-policy
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: SlashOZ]
#16386744 - 06/15/12 08:16 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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> 1. civility. illegal immigrants are people. they are not vermin.
So are child rapists. What is your point?
> 2. it seems like everyone in this thread is assuming that illegal immigrants are bad without giving an argument.
They may be wonderful people, but they are still breaking the law by being in the country illegally. If you don't like it, then change the law, but don't simply ignore the law the way Emperor Obama has decided.
> 3. it also seems like there is a false assumption that hunting down every single illegal alien in the country is monetarily and logistically feasible.
So what? There is a difference between enforcing laws and ignoring laws. Even worse, the federal government is preventing the States from enforcing laws.
> 4. finally, i'm confused as to why hiring cheap foreign labor is bad for the economy
Why do you assume that illegal alien children that have been educated in the US are cheap labor?
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: Seuss] 1
#16386800 - 06/15/12 08:27 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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No manpower to keep out the illegals? I was watching a program the other night about moonshiners. There is a whole task force dedicated to doing nothing other than hiking throughout the Appalachian mountains searching for illegal stills. They look at topo and gps maps following every stream, looking for sites that could potentially make for prime moonshine producing locations. They will often search through the woods for weeks literally sniffing for the smell of fermenting corn mash. All this work, all this expenditure for the potential of apprehending just a few moonshiners.
Also, what I found outrageous was the amount of PRISON, not jail time these "perps" get. One man was facing 15 years in prison and a five hundred thousand dollar fine for producing 200 gallons of moonshine. He stated that he could get 40 whole dollars per gallon, and was looking to make eight thousand dollars on what he was busted with. The crime they are invariably charged with is tax evasion as they obviously don't pay taxes on the shine. I don't know the rate of taxation on alcohol, but for the sake of argument let's presume it is 25%. SO, these guys are looking at nearly life in prison for not paying two grand in taxes.
Tell me, how many drywall, or carpeting, or framing jobs does each illegal have to perform before they make, wait before they ILLEGALLY make eight grand? How many tens of thousands of dollars in unpaid taxes is each illegal responsible for throughout their lifetime? How much more in taxes do each of us legal citizens have to pay to cover them? Why aren't these illegal tax evaders and border crossers subjected to the same laws/penalties/and pursued with the same vigor as the moonshiners, that ultimately are far less guilty of tax evasion? Why not charge each and every one of them with the same crime? If we can have hordes of men scouring the mountainsides for just a few, then the 25 MILLION should represent low hanging, easy to prosecute fruit. I love the hypocrisy of our bureaucrats, oh yeah, how many in Obamas cabinet that would love for all of us to pay more in taxes had to bow out do to "honest mistakes" of not paying theirs. Why aren't they looking at the 15 years and half million in penalties?
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: Seuss]
#16386803 - 06/15/12 08:28 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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> 1. civility. illegal immigrants are people. they are not vermin.
So are child rapists. What is your point?
ad hominem arguments don't really make a point. continuing to use them only makes you look bad.
> 2. it seems like everyone in this thread is assuming that illegal immigrants are bad without giving an argument.
They may be wonderful people, but they are still breaking the law by being in the country illegally. If you don't like it, then change the law, but don't simply ignore the law the way Emperor Obama has decided.
ignoring the law? no. enforcing the law as he sees fit? yes. the executive enforces the laws. if you think he's crossed the line you might look into trying to bring some sort of lawsuit in federal court to get an injunction against Obama's actions with regard to the "amnesty" he is proposing. my gut tells me even the conservative supreme court would say Obama is well within his constitutional right as president to do what he is doing.
> 3. it also seems like there is a false assumption that hunting down every single illegal alien in the country is monetarily and logistically feasible.
So what? There is a difference between enforcing laws and ignoring laws. Even worse, the federal government is preventing the States from enforcing laws.
Once again, if you think you know the law better than the executive branch of the federal gov't feel free to bring a lawsuit and see just how far you get. My gut tells me you wouldn't get far.
> 4. finally, i'm confused as to why hiring cheap foreign labor is bad for the economy
Why do you assume that illegal alien children that have been educated in the US are cheap labor?
Here is an example. Here are two reasons I can think of why you would hire one person over another person, regardless of ethnicity or immigration status, etc. The first instance would be that skill level/experience is the same but one person will work for less. The second instance is when you have to candidates and one has more experience than the other. You would of course hire the person willing to work for less in the first instance and you would of course hire the more skilled candidate in the second instance. If illegals allowed to stay under Obama's actions are 1) willing to work for less or are 2) more skilled than their american counterparts then why shouldn't they have jobs? It seems like preferring americans for the sake of being born here is not very free market.
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: johnm214]
#16387001 - 06/15/12 09:16 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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wtf? This is an argument for open borders, so why are you only arguing against zappa's proposal? Your argument suggests we dismantal border control and ICE itself. What's so hard about putting them on a bus and dumping them at the border crossing?
No absolutely not wtf  and Im not arguing against Zappa I said I agreed with him. Nothing I said
relates to dismantling the boarder control or anything related to border security and quite the
opposite.
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Another bare declaration. You want a repeat of what happened after the soviet's pulled out of a war torn tribal society full of religious crazies and people who lack much ability to defend themselves?
We have been there for 10 years still fighting an insurgency. Something had to be done but its been far
too long and we simply failed in my opinion. Its caused thousands of civilian deaths from both
sides and thousands more indirectly as a consequence of displacement, starvation, disease,
exposure, lack of medical treatment, crime and lawlessness resulting from the war. Maybe they are not
so better off with us there  And the people of the United States are no safer still.
Real justifiable huh?
And let us not forget about Iraq 
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: zappaisgod]
#16387158 - 06/15/12 09:58 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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I say we deport a good chunk of them- say 30 or 40 thousand including their anchor babies and then we change the law to make it impossible for them to stay here.
1. Legal status check before enrolling in public school.
2. Legal status check before receiving treatment at a hospital; illegals should be turned away except in the case of a life or death trauma.
3. Dramatically increase the severity of penalties for hiring illegals. I don't care if you are a big corporation or someone looking for a few hands to fix your roof. Make the penalties so harsh that no one in their right mind would hire an illegal.
4. Legal status check before renting/buying a home.
5. Legal status check before receiving welfare of any kind.
6. Immediate deportation of any illegal upon arrest for any crime.
Legal status checks are as easy as entering a name into a computer. Also, before anyone complains about "profiling" EVERYONE gets their status checked.
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: DeadHearts]
#16387269 - 06/15/12 10:23 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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I think you totally misunderstood my statements Johnny 
I do not want open boarders or dismantle anything related to border security.
I think my understanding has nothing to do with the merits of your argument and that therefore youre using more fallacious reasoning.
As I said, your argument applies equally well to any border control at all as it does to simple deportation of these people. You contradict yourself by saying we can't keep the people out of the country and can't find them, therefore its silly to deport, while not supporting the logical consequences of your argument: the dismantling of border control and ICE.
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Another bare declaration. You want a repeat of what happened after the soviet's pulled out of a war torn tribal society full of religious crazies and people who lack much ability to defend themselves?
We have been there for 10 years still fighting an insurgency. Something had to be done but its been far
too long and we simply failed in my opinion. Its caused thousands of civilian deaths from both
sides and thousands more indirectly as a consequence of displacement, starvation, disease,
exposure, lack of medical treatment, crime and lawlessness resulting from the war. Maybe they are not
so better off with us there And the people of the United States are no safer still.
Real justifiable huh?
The same can be said of any war, do you support any war? If so your argument fails. Since I'm sure your not a pacifist, your disingenuous argument is plain: the mere facts that a given amount of people die, are dispossessed, does not mean the war is a bad idea.
Back up your bare conclusion that the US is not safer. Is this based on your conspiracy theories or on demonstrable reality? If this is said because you believe Bush used a death ray on the WTC and Afghanistan had nothing to do with it, then there's nothing to talk about. If you have some rational reason for this, lets hear it.
I submit its better that we don't have a terrorist state operating in the middle east and having its proxies bomb civilians around the world with impunity. We shut that down- good.
What do you base your claim that Afghanistan isn't better off now? The sources I've seen show a good number of people quite happy that they can listen to music and dance without being horsewhipped or shot.
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So you have a child in this country regardless of their will, who may know only English, have only friends here, and you want to export him to some country he has no connection with? No, that isn't nice and isn't neccessary. There's plenty of reasons to give such children who are the victim of their parents a chance to gain legality and step out from under the bad choices of their parents.
Sooo... if my parents stole millions of dollars, and I am used to living a life of leisure, when my parents get caught I should get to keep their ill gotten gains, as I was an innocent child, and continue to reap the rewards of the life they set up for me?
No, and it isn't comprable.
You don't have a right to money that isn't yours. You do have a right to not be abused, forcably moved, barred from owning property, seeking medical care, and so forth. The children are deprived of that right by law and hence it is unfair to force them to leave the only country they know because of a choice their parent made which they are unable to do shit about.
When juvenile's are able to leave their deadbeat parents then maybe you'll have a point, but where that's not the case and children are essentially slaves, it is a ridiculous comparison. Forcing a children to be dragged around by a deadbeat parent on threat of jail, barring them from setting up their own life, and then deporting them for being in the country which they were not alowed to leave by law, is ridiculous and unfair.
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Life sometimes sucks... plenty of children suffer because of bad choices their parents have made... why should this group be rewarded?
To the extent I grant your premise that its a reward, because they were forced into that situation by the state that prevented their emancipation and compliance with law. The child is not alowed to leave their parent or disobey them by the state, and then when their parent is eventually discovered, they get shipped out of their home. Not nice, not neccessary.
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Perhaps if parents know their kids will be deported, they will think twice about sneaking them into the country illegally.
Again with the sneaking into the country illegally bit. Do you only advocate this for people who entered illegally? If not, your argument fails to argue for the full extent of what you claim to support, as detailed previously.
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: johnm214] 1
#16387444 - 06/15/12 11:00 PM (10 months, 28 days ago) |
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I think my understanding has nothing to do with the merits of your argument
Obviously it does
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You contradict yourself by saying we can't keep the people out of the country and can't find them, therefore its silly to deport
Ill stop ya right there. No reason reading anything else you posted as I NEVER said anything in
even close to "Its silly to deport".
Go back and actually read what I posted
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: DeadHearts]
#16387878 - 06/16/12 12:30 AM (10 months, 27 days ago) |
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What's so hard about putting them on a bus and dumping them at the border crossing?
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: cacharstar] 1
#16388459 - 06/16/12 02:55 AM (10 months, 27 days ago) |
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What the fuck are you talking about? Illegals need to be deported. Period. Just get the fuck out and I don't care about anything else. No jail, just a bus.
Some of you may be unaware that you may eat something every single day that was handled by a migrant farm worker . Many of whom are here illegally. Our migrant farm worker force allows us to spend a measly 9% of our per capita income on food , less than any other shithole on earth. Most of these people are making 7 to 10 grand per year a little below the poverty level ,there giving way more to us than there taking away.
The average life expectancy for these people is around 50 . There not exactly living the American dream or stealing it really , farm owners would love to hire some US born white boys, if they bothered to apply for these jobs. They don't. Simply doing these jobs requires you to live in poverty you have to travel following the picking seasons. Im not sure even if we could or wanted to ship everyone home that it help anything unless u wanna help destroy the farm industruy. 81 % of all farm workers are forien born.
What really worries me and I think I may have asked this before, if we round up all these people and send them away how am I going to get strawberries to eat outa my wife's vagina? Who's gunna milk the cows that make the milk that gets turned into wip cream for her to lick off the tip of my penis? Me? Myself? Don't think so. Theres very important stuff that demands consideration here.
Oh and by the way these people don't get to have unions, disability , unemployment, health insurance, I don't wanna pay 10 dollars for a head of lettuce let's not stop taking advantage of these people.
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: johnm214]
#16388561 - 06/16/12 03:29 AM (10 months, 27 days ago) |
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No, and it isn't comprable.
You don't have a right to money that isn't yours. You do have a right to not be abused, forcably moved, barred from owning property, seeking medical care, and so forth. The children are deprived of that right by law and hence it is unfair to force them to leave the only country they know because of a choice their parent made which they are unable to do shit about.
When juvenile's are able to leave their deadbeat parents then maybe you'll have a point, but where that's not the case and children are essentially slaves, it is a ridiculous comparison. Forcing a children to be dragged around by a deadbeat parent on threat of jail, barring them from setting up their own life, and then deporting them for being in the country which they were not alowed to leave by law, is ridiculous and unfair.
I'm not advocating tossing illegal aliens in jail. Deport them... along with their children. However, Obama isn't talking about children. He is talking about adults that were children when they entered the country illegally. They are still illegal aliens, and unless the law changes, they should be deported. It sucks that their parents made such a shitty choice, but such is life.
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: psilynut]
#16388667 - 06/16/12 04:02 AM (10 months, 27 days ago) |
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What really worries me and I think I may have asked this before, if we round up all these people and send them away how am I going to get strawberries to eat outa my wife's vagina?
Just ask all the illegal mexicans that are already putting strawberries in her vagina to leave a few in there for you when they're done.
They also make far more than seven to ten grand a year, you lying. Also how do you think the fruit got picked prior to the illegals? How do you think houses and roads got built? Who do you think worked on cars or hung drywall? Many Mexicans came here circa WW2 to make money while american men were overseas fighting. After their return, the mexicans were supposed to leave, but of course they broke the law and have been here ever since.
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to 10 grand per year a little below the poverty level ,there giving way more to us than there taking away.
That statement is absolute bullshit. Every single report, regardless of how liberal it is states that illegals cost the american taxpayer BILLIONS of dollars every year, and commit crimes far in excess of their proportion to the population. Here is just one conservative estimate.
"A report by the Center for Immigration Studies (CIS) cited several interesting statistics based on census data. Some of these facts may be familiar to long-time readers… but I wanted each of you to know the enormous costs placed on the United States…
Our government continues to claim that the war on terror is bankrupting us. But what about these numbers? You do the math…
$11 billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.
Illegal households only pay about one-third the amount of federal taxes that non-illegal households pay.
Illegal households create a net fiscal deficit at the federal level of more than $10 billion a year. If given amnesty, this number could grow to more than $29 billion.
$1.9 billion dollars a year is spent on food-assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC and free school lunches for illegal aliens.
$1.6 billion is spent on the federal prison and court system for illegal aliens.
$2.5 billion dollars a year is spent on Medicaid for illegal aliens.
About 21 percent of the population of U.S. prisons is classified as “noncitizens” from Mexico, Colombia, Cuba and the Dominican Republic. About 5 percent is listed as “unknown.”
Immigration costs like all “costs" come out of the "TAXPAYOR" hide. These costs represent additional money creation that dilutes all the savings and assets in America.
An admitted very conservative number for california is that they spend at least ten billion per year for illegals. http://morganwrites.wordpress.com/2008/07/03/californias-illegal-aliens-cost-taxpayers-nearly-9-billion-a-year/
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: Seuss]
#16388688 - 06/16/12 04:10 AM (10 months, 27 days ago) |
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No, and it isn't comprable.
You don't have a right to money that isn't yours. You do have a right to not be abused, forcably moved, barred from owning property, seeking medical care, and so forth. The children are deprived of that right by law and hence it is unfair to force them to leave the only country they know because of a choice their parent made which they are unable to do shit about.
When juvenile's are able to leave their deadbeat parents then maybe you'll have a point, but where that's not the case and children are essentially slaves, it is a ridiculous comparison. Forcing a children to be dragged around by a deadbeat parent on threat of jail, barring them from setting up their own life, and then deporting them for being in the country which they were not alowed to leave by law, is ridiculous and unfair.
I'm not advocating tossing illegal aliens in jail.
I know.
The point is the children were not legally able to stop living with their parents in the US and following their commands, because of state law. It is a jailable offense for a juvenile to leave their parents and decide to live in a place where they can build a life legally- the state's law would prevent them. As such, the child had no right to refuse to live in the US illegally if their parent wanted them to.
Then, after they grow up, they are subjected to deportation from the only country they know to a place where they may not know anyone, may not know the language, and may have no real future. Its obscene and inhumane in such a case. Maybe if we start treating juvenile's like human beings it would make some sense to treat them like sentient figures, but that isn't happening.
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However, Obama isn't talking about children. He is talking about adults that were children when they entered the country illegally.
You don't know they entered illegally. They may have overstayed a visa. They are simply present illegally- that doesn't mean they jumped a border.
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They are still illegal aliens, and unless the law changes, they should be deported.
Yes, they are illegal, and the state has the right to deport them. They also have the right to not be inhumane in cases where deporting would be. It is especially cruel given that those kids would have been prohibited from leaving their parents by state law. After growing up in a country where they have no rights and no opportunity to rectify their station, they are then deported. This is nasty and shouldn't happen here. Jail the parents, I don't care, but the child is getting screwed by the country for something they had no moral responsibility for and some legal prohibition on remedying (and will likely be barred from the US in the future for having been deported).
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It sucks that their parents made such a shitty choice, but such is life.
It doesn't have to be. Just cause the law allows for the jailing of a drug user doesn't mean the judge should. Just cause the law allows the deportation of illegals doesn't mean it should be done in every case.
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: johnm214]
#16389056 - 06/16/12 07:55 AM (10 months, 27 days ago) |
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> You don't know they entered illegally. They may have overstayed a visa. They are simply present illegally- that doesn't mean they jumped a border.
True. Poor wording on my part. I'm also not limiting my argument to 'border jumping' Mexican's, but to anybody that is here illegally. My major gripe is with Emperor Obama deciding his will trumps the laws passed by Congress and the sovereignty of the individual States. I agree with you that it is a humanitarian nightmare, but until the law is changed, it is what it is. Drug laws are a humanitarian nightmare, but the population accepts tossing non-violent gardeners into jail for life. I have trouble finding compassion for an illegal alien, regardless of circumstances, that is taking a job away from an American when the world is filled with humanitarian horrors.
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: Seuss]
#16389128 - 06/16/12 09:09 AM (10 months, 27 days ago) |
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Just ask all the illegal mexicans that are already putting strawberries in her vagina to leave a few in there for you when they're done.
They also make far more than seven to ten grand a year, you lying. Also how do you think the fruit got picked prior to the illegals? How do you think houses and roads got built? Who do you think worked on cars or hung drywall? Many Mexicans came here circa WW2 to make money while american men were overseas fighting. After their return, the mexicans were supposed to leave, but of course they broke the law and have been here ever since.
If we ship we them all away they can't eat strawberries outa her either, doesn't solve my problem. Far more than that really? How much exactly? Minimum wage in CA is only like 16 grand a year. The work isn't steady its unpredictable how can that be really? Are people on unemployment lining up for these jobs?
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Our government continues to claim that the war on terror is bankrupting us. But what about these numbers? You do the math…
$11 billion to $22 billion is spent on welfare to illegal aliens each year by state governments.
Illegal households only pay about one-third the amount of federal taxes that non-illegal households pay.
Illegal households create a net fiscal deficit at the federal level of more than $10 billion a year. If given amnesty, this number could grow to more than $29 billion.
There are like 11 million illegals , they say it cost 12500 to deport 1 person . That's about 135 billion to get rid of them all. Plus another another 40 or 50 billion for a fence. You do the math which will be cheaper? Americans pay just 9% per capita on food less than any other country we won't be able to say that if we stop taking advantage of them or if they stop taking advantage of us watevs. Seriously Wat will happen to our nations farm industry if we deport them all? How quickly will food costs shoot up? We needed them during ww2 and we still depend on them today.Were the most well fed nation on earth living off the backs of people struggling below the poverty level.
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: psilynut]
#16389134 - 06/16/12 09:15 AM (10 months, 27 days ago) |
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stop the war on drugs. problem solved. stop fighting and see the truth. this was a major win for humanity.
some of you really have no clue. you've been the problem and you blame it on others.. get a life.
my last post. i find no reason to argue with you shameless bastards.
  
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: SlashOZ]
#16389364 - 06/16/12 11:22 AM (10 months, 27 days ago) |
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4. finally, i'm confused as to why hiring cheap foreign labor is bad for the economy? doesn't lower payroll -> lower prices in goods? I was under the impression you against the federal minimum wage Zappa but if you aren't feel free to correct me. for example, instead hiring one american to work at $10 an hour why not hire two illegals for $5 an hour. you get more work done for the same price and two people are working rather than drawing unemployment. its more efficient and that leads to cheaper prices for consumers. most illegals pay taxes so its not like the social services they are getting come from nowhere either.
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-03-16/news/31199931_1_residency-and-taxpaying-illegal-immigrants-taxation-and-economic-policy
continue on raging against and for the machine shroomerites!
They don't pay taxes. Most of the ones in construction are off the books. Around here they get $100 a day plus lunch and transportation. Further, even the ones that do get phony soc sec numbers don't pay shit in taxes. Don't you know that the bottom 50% of earners pay almost nothing in income taxes?
But that isn't what we are talking about here, is it? These are people who are illegally in this country, breaking our laws every day, sucking our services and taking jobs away from legitimate American young people. If the education they stole from American taxpayers is valuable enough to America let them go back where they came from and get in line like so many of their respectful law-abiding fellows. Not only do these selfish fucks screw American citizens out of jobs they also screw the people who are trying to legitimately enter the country. Where's your compassion for them? Why do you only sympathize with law breaking assholes and not the people they hurt?
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: zappaisgod]
#16389572 - 06/16/12 12:28 PM (10 months, 27 days ago) |
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If we ship we them all away they can't eat strawberries outa her either, doesn't solve my problem
Here is an idea; have her pick her own dam strawberries. Here is an idea. Whip your own cream. You really think if we ship all the illegals away that there won't be people to pick crops?
I think the millions of contractors and construction workers that lose jobs to low bidding illegals is something to consider. Regardless of how they got here they are here illegally. All Obama is doing is giving some of them a temporary reprieve. I feel bad that some poor kid got dragged to "amerika" by his parents who were just trying to have a better life. I will feel even worse if I graduate under debit and have to compete with someone that didn't play by the same rules as I was forced to. It is a sensitive issue but if it comes down to brass taxes, they gotta go.
What about the people that legally enter; is it fair to them to just open a back door for amesity? Why the fuck do we even allow people to come here anymore?
Is there any country we can emigrate to?
What happens if you get caught in another country illegally? Say,,, Canada?
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: cacharstar]
#16389744 - 06/16/12 01:07 PM (10 months, 27 days ago) |
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> What happens if you get caught in another country illegally? Say,,, Canada?
Donno about Canada, but in Mexico, illegal entry into the country is equivalent to a felony punishable by two years imprisonment. Illegal re-entry after deportation is punishable by ten years imprisonment. Foreigners may be kicked out of the country without due process.
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Re: Young Americans latest group thrown under Obamabus [Re: cacharstar]
#16389746 - 06/16/12 01:07 PM (10 months, 27 days ago) |
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I don't know about Canada but Mexico will fuck you hard.
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