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WASHINGTON (AP) — The college class of 2012 is in for a rude welcome to the world of work.

A weak labor market already has left half of young college graduates either jobless or underemployed in positions that don't fully use their skills and knowledge.

Young adults with bachelor's degrees are increasingly scraping by in lower-wage jobs — waiter or waitress, bartender, retail clerk or receptionist, for example — and that's confounding their hopes a degree would pay off despite higher tuition and mounting student loans.

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With more than one-third of the nation’s minority youth unemployed,

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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration will stop deporting and begin granting work permits to younger illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children and have since led law-abiding lives. The election-year initiative addresses a top priority of an influential Latino electorate that has been vocal in its opposition to administration deportation policies.

The policy change, announced Friday by Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, will affect as many as 800,000 immigrants who have lived in fear of deportation. It bypasses Congress and partially achieves the goals of the so-called DREAM Act, a long-sought but never enacted plan to establish a path toward citizenship for young people who came to the United States illegally but who attend college or join the military.

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“In answer to your question, sir – and the next time I’d prefer you’d let me finish my statement before you ask that question – is this is the right thing to do for the American people," Obama told Munro.

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SlashOZ said:
1. They are already here competing for jobs. This does not increase the number of young illegals here trying to find work. Its basically the status quo except we won't waste money deporting people who have jobs.

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2. You already said that college grads are pushing out non-college grads for low skilled jobs.

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3. You can't honestly believe that locating and deporting 800,000 illegals is possible, practical, or worth the time, money, and effort.

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zappaisgod said:
http://news.yahoo.com/1-2-graduates-jobless-underemployed-140300522.html

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WASHINGTON (AP) — The college class of 2012 is in for a rude welcome to the world of work.

A weak labor market already has left half of young college graduates either jobless or underemployed in positions that don't fully use their skills and knowledge.

Young adults with bachelor's degrees are increasingly scraping by in lower-wage jobs — waiter or waitress, bartender, retail clerk or receptionist, for example — and that's confounding their hopes a degree would pay off despite higher tuition and mounting student loans.

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This is a pretty shitty situation for all you younguns out there.  Un- and under-employment has been pretty terrible for all the fresh-faced strivers yearning to cash in on the huge sums they wasted spent for a dubious college degree.  It is especially troubling for minority American youth.

http://www.nul.org/content/addressing-staggaring-unemployment-among-young-people

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New college grads are taking jobs that have no higher educational requirements and pushing out non college grads from the workforce entirely.  So what is Barry's answer to this incredibly debilitating problem plaguing young American people?  Amnesty for illegals by fiat.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5h2rMiN8T4NLCHPB0pl-VRWCATxyg?docId=3260ee1dbc2f43638498e4b4e9aae1e3

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WASHINGTON (AP) — The Obama administration will stop deporting and begin granting work permits to younger illegal immigrants who came to the U.S. as children and have since led law-abiding lives. The election-year initiative addresses a top priority of an influential Latino electorate that has been vocal in its opposition to administration deportation policies.

The policy change, announced Friday by Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano, will affect as many as 800,000 immigrants who have lived in fear of deportation. It bypasses Congress and partially achieves the goals of the so-called DREAM Act, a long-sought but never enacted plan to establish a path toward citizenship for young people who came to the United States illegally but who attend college or join the military.

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Yep kiddies, that's right.  Nearly a million border jumping cheats who have already sucked huge funds from our treasury for their education and health care and whatnot are going to be competing with you for the scant number of jobs still available. 

He just fucked you all in the shitter.  No lube.  And let us not forget the other little gem going on in Florida where electoral fraud fan Holder (see dropped New Black Panther case) is suing Florida for trying to assure that only Americans get to vote in elections in America.

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johnm214 said:
What's wrong with this zappa?  The very states those young illegals came to would jail those kids if they didn't follow the commands of their parents, and yet they're supposed to be held to task for not somehow compelling their parents to follow the law?

The way this country treats children is such that it is unjust to hold them to account for almost anything.  maybe if the kids had a choice about being dragged around by their crackhead parents I might sympathize with your viewpoint, but so long as a kid faces criminal charges for not following the instructions of their parents, there's not much justification I see in treating them as the responsible party.


For those not morally responsible, some work permit would be reasonable.  If you want to turn the screws, do it on the parents.

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What's wrong with this zappa?  The very states those young illegals came to would jail those kids if they didn't follow the commands of their parents, and yet they're supposed to be held to task for not somehow compelling their parents to follow the law?

The way this country treats children is such that it is unjust to hold them to account for almost anything.  maybe if the kids had a choice about being dragged around by their crackhead parents I might sympathize with your viewpoint, but so long as a kid faces criminal charges for not following the instructions of their parents, there's not much justification I see in treating them as the responsible party.


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What the fuck are you talking about?  Illegals need to be deported.  Period.  Just get the fuck out and I don't care about anything else.  No jail, just a bus.

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What's wrong with this zappa?  The very states those young illegals came to would jail those kids if they didn't follow the commands of their parents, and yet they're supposed to be held to task for not somehow compelling their parents to follow the law?

The way this country treats children is such that it is unjust to hold them to account for almost anything.  maybe if the kids had a choice about being dragged around by their crackhead parents I might sympathize with your viewpoint, but so long as a kid faces criminal charges for not following the instructions of their parents, there's not much justification I see in treating them as the responsible party.


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What the fuck are you talking about?  Illegals need to be deported.  Period.  Just get the fuck out and I don't care about anything else.  No jail, just a bus.

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What's wrong with this zappa?  The very states those young illegals came to would jail those kids if they didn't follow the commands of their parents, and yet they're supposed to be held to task for not somehow compelling their parents to follow the law?

The way this country treats children is such that it is unjust to hold them to account for almost anything.  maybe if the kids had a choice about being dragged around by their crackhead parents I might sympathize with your viewpoint, but so long as a kid faces criminal charges for not following the instructions of their parents, there's not much justification I see in treating them as the responsible party.


For those not morally responsible, some work permit would be reasonable.  If you want to turn the screws, do it on the parents.

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What the fuck are you talking about?  Illegals need to be deported.  Period.  Just get the fuck out and I don't care about anything else.  No jail, just a bus.

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DeadHearts said:
Right but throwing them out seems to be extremely hard given the man power and keeping them
out even harder. We have civilians who live on or close to the boarder who have taken things into their
own hands as they are tired of being robbed and threatened. Get the troops down there is all Im trying to
say. It might not be a definite solution but in my opinion they would be serving or country better on
the boarder than say an Afghanistan.

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What was I supposed to rebut?  Your post was incoherent.  Nobody is talking about jailing anybody

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nobody is talking about their parents,

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they aren't children

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Illegal border jumpers need one response and one response only.

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Deadhearts:  It is much cheaper to throw them out than to keep them.

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Right but throwing them out seems to be extremely hard given the man power and keeping them
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It might not be a definite solution but in my opinion they would be serving or country better on
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So you have a child in this country regardless of their will, who may know only English, have only friends here, and you want to export him to some country he has no connection with?  No, that isn't nice and isn't necessary.  There's plenty of reasons to give such children who are the victim of their parents a chance to gain legality and step out from under the bad choices of their parents.

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I didn't claim otherwise.  What I did say was that if the children of illegal immigrants decided they didn't want to be illegal immigrants, they would be liable to be charged with criminal offenses (or the juvenile equivalents in states that don't technically call juvenile offenses crimes) and would be subject to jail.  If you don't follow the instructions of your parent you are liable to be jailed as a juvenile.  In the states I'm familiar with, juvenile's can't own property, can't consent to medical care, and can't do anything without a parent's permission (in some cases they can consent to an abortion under some circumstances, but that's about it).

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nobody is talking about their parents,

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I am, and its a mistake not to.  What were they supposed to do, zappa? 

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Then are you only advocating this response for people who crossed the border illegally?  What of those who entered legally?  Your argument doesn't support the full scope of action you seem to support: such as those who entered on a visa or with legal permission.

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So you have a child in this country regardless of their will, who may know only English, have only friends here, and you want to export him to some country he has no connection with?  No, that isn't nice and isn't neccessary.  There's plenty of reasons to give such children who are the victim of their parents a chance to gain legality and step out from under the bad choices of their parents.

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