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 OhLongJohnson
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In terms of strict numbers, Walker spent some $30 million; Barrett and the unions spent $25 million
This is what your man over at Breitbart claims. That isn't 200%, that is 120%, which would be negligible and wouldn't be a point of attack by the Left.
Either way, 2:1 is still a massive difference when it comes to these sums of money. Also realize, that the union money had to be spread between, what, four, senate races, a Lieutenant Governor, and the Governor's race? The GOP already knew that if Walker kept his spot, the rest of the races wouldn't matter. But, all the races mattered to the unions, because without a senate advantage, even a special session Barret might have called wouldn't have produced anything.
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The Sulzberger's, mostly. What's your point?
Why would I care which uber-wealthy family owns me? I don't want any of them to own me. My point was to find out the answer to my question without any real goal, honestly.
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Yes. The oligarchy decides which favored sons will get to be rich.
Exactly.
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Fill me one and I'll think about it.
I come prepared
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zappaisgod
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The entire thing about Walker's money advantage in the final leg of the whole fiasco is that the Dems and/or unionists (not always the same people) had to spend millions to get all the petitions for the recall to happen in the first place. Then they had to fund at least two different, viable candidates in a primary. More millions. Then, finally, they trotted out a guy who wasn't even the union candidate, lost to Walker 2 years ago and who is the mayor of a city in shambles (according to you, I seem to recall). Of course Walker had more money at the end. He also had unlimited fund raising privileges, as per Wisconsin law, that Barret didn't have. There's a reason why recalls are stupid. It was a great glorious waste of time and money.
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OhLongJohnson
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The 2011 recalls were initiated by both sides, and once again, the unions had to spend money on multiple candidates in 2011 and 2012, where only one mattered for the GOP. Where the money was spent is a necessary part of the discussion if you're going to keep talking about how they supposedly spent equal amounts on the same campaign.
And I'm not the one claiming the city is in shambles, I don't live in Milwaukee. I've seen the ads that Walker ran about it though, and it doesn't sound good.
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zappaisgod
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The 2011 recalls were initiated by both sides, and once again, the unions had to spend money on multiple candidates in 2011 and 2012, where only one mattered for the GOP. Where the money was spent is a necessary part of the discussion if you're going to keep talking about how they supposedly spent equal amounts on the same campaign.
That was my point. That the Dems spent a shit ton of money just to get there and had nothing left. The Wisconsin law is rigged against successful recalls. I don't think it's an accident.Quote:
And I'm not the one claiming the city is in shambles, I don't live in Milwaukee. I've seen the ads that Walker ran about it though, and it doesn't sound good.
Oh. I thought you were speaking from experience.
Another point I read is that the LATE money had no influence. I believe polling showed that 90% of likely voters had made their minds up a month or more before the election. That's pretty unusual.
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setb
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Lol, Tom Barret is getting mopped up by Scott Walker. There must not be any union janitors in the building!
But, in all seriousness, what impact will this have, if any, on the Presidential elections this fall? Is this a sign that Wisconsin, who Obama took by double-digits, is now not only in play, but actually winnable for Romney?
This whole disgraceful display sure exposed the unions for what they are to many, many people- even to Democrats. A special interest group nearly unseated a democratically elected governor simple because he dared to stand up to them.
What makes this even more ridiculous: Walker's reforms are working in Wisconsin. It is abundantly clear that the unions don't give a crap about the people of WI; all they care about is their money and power. They are beyond corrupt but their days are numbered.
This is the beginning of the end for (public) unions in America; look at what happened in San Jose and San Deigo. These LIBERAL cities voted overwhelmingly to cut union benefits as they can no longer afford them. We don't have the money anymore and people in the privet sector are starting to resent the fact that they subsidize the lives of public union workers- and the public workers get a better deal then them!
Do you get a pension? I don't get a pension and I have to pay for my damn healthcare. I haven't even touched the massive political corruption and all the money public unions give to liberal politicians. The politicians represent THE PEOPLE AND NOT THE UNIONS. They are supposed to be negotiating with the unions and therefore should receive -zero- money from public unions.
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Madtowntripper
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 Re: WI Recall  [Re: setb]
#16371203 - 06/12/12 04:26 PM (11 months, 2 days ago) |
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Don't blame me.
I voted for Hari Trivedi.
No, really, I did.
I voted for Mr. Barret when he originally ran against Scott Walker.
I am, after all, an un-repentant big-city Democrat.
I did not, however, sign the recall petition. As I patiently explained to the (numerous) election workers knocking on my door, I believe the recall to be a subversion of the democratic process. I may not agree with what Mr. Walker has done but he was elected fair and square. I believe the recall provision of the Constitution to be meant for gross violations of the public trust. Mere disagreement with what an elected official is doing is not, I believe, grounds for recall.
However, I didn't agree with Mr. Walker then and I don't agree with him now. But Mr. Barret had his shot. Throwing my vote away with a third-party candidate was both spineless and the most logical choice I could make.
I couldn't make an argument for doing it any other way.
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I did not, however, sign the recall petition. As I patiently explained to the (numerous) election workers knocking on my door, I believe the recall to be a subversion of the democratic process. I may not agree with what Mr. Walker has done but he was elected fair and square. I believe the recall provision of the Constitution to be meant for gross violations of the public trust. Mere disagreement with what an elected official is doing is not, I believe, grounds for recall.
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zappaisgod
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Don't blame me.
I voted for Hari Trivedi.
No, really, I did.
I voted for Mr. Barret when he originally ran against Scott Walker.
I am, after all, an un-repentant big-city Democrat.
I did not, however, sign the recall petition. As I patiently explained to the (numerous) election workers knocking on my door, I believe the recall to be a subversion of the democratic process. I may not agree with what Mr. Walker has done but he was elected fair and square. I believe the recall provision of the Constitution to be meant for gross violations of the public trust. Mere disagreement with what an elected official is doing is not, I believe, grounds for recall.
However, I didn't agree with Mr. Walker then and I don't agree with him now. But Mr. Barret had his shot. Throwing my vote away with a third-party candidate was both spineless and the most logical choice I could make.
I couldn't make an argument for doing it any other way.
From what I understand there was quite a lot of support for Walker from private sector union members.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/07/opinion/the-message-from-wisconsins-recall-election.html
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Nearly a third of union voters (presumably from private-sector unions) voted for Mr. Walker, exit polls showed, as did nearly half of voters from union households who were not union members.
Some of those union voters, like many others, undoubtedly felt that recalls should be reserved for official misconduct. But, clearly, over the course of 18 months, Mr. Walker and his allies managed to convince even union households in a former labor bastion that bargaining rights for public sector employees were bad for the state.
I don't much give two shits about the whiny NY Times lying about the money and its influence or lying that Walker hasn't saved the state money but I will use their facts. Hell the dumb cunts think that labor in the US means union. It doesn't and hasn't for quite some time. The public unions couldn't even get their candidate a win in the Democrat primary. I would be interested in your opinion as to why that was so.
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Shins
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Public sector unions are especially bad because they are directly undemocratic.
they try to bargain more after the will of the people has been established.
just another example of hypocrate libtard "democrat" "logic."
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zappaisgod
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Re: WI Recall [Re: Shins]
#16371622 - 06/12/12 05:44 PM (11 months, 2 days ago) |
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The problem with public sector unions is that they are often able to stack both sides of the negotiating table.
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Shins
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Exactly, theyre also a blatant conflict of interest.
it was glorious to see all the leftards crying and whining like babies when they lost.
pathetic might be a better word...
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zappaisgod
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Re: WI Recall [Re: Shins]
#16371668 - 06/12/12 05:52 PM (11 months, 2 days ago) |
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Nah. Stick with "glorious".
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