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 SleeveOfWizard
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 Re: DRILLING HOLES ON BOTTOM OF SGFC  [Re: Doc_T]
#16321049 - 06/02/12 11:26 AM (11 months, 15 days ago) |
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Well since I have about 8 cases of 12ga 'bird-shot' shotgun shells, and these are called "shotgun fruiting chambers" my method is to just unload on a clear rubbermade a few times.. It gets the perfect amount of FAE and perfect humidity. 
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SleeveOfWizard said:
Well since I have about 8 cases of 12ga 'bird-shot' shotgun shells, and these are called "shotgun fruiting chambers" my method is to just unload on a clear rubbermade a few times.. It gets the perfect amount of FAE and perfect humidity.
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Re: DRILLING HOLES ON BOTTOM OF SGFC [Re: KaoKao]
#16321078 - 06/02/12 11:41 AM (11 months, 15 days ago) |
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if your perlite is properly drained and water is leaking out from just a normal misting, then you obviously are misting way too much...thousands of people on this site use a properly constructed SGFC and works just fine...you are the first person I have heard have this problem...of course, I have had water come out of the bottom after I rinse my perlite, that is my own fault for not draining it properly...I just lay a towel underneath for a couple days until it stop running out
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SleeveOfWizard
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Re: DRILLING HOLES ON BOTTOM OF SGFC [Re: Durban.Poison]
#16321126 - 06/02/12 12:02 PM (11 months, 15 days ago) |
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In all seriousness, when constructing my FC, I did 1/4" holes in 2" grids just like recommended by the teks on the TOP and SIDES all the way down to the perlite layer. For the bottom 4" on all sides and the bottom of the tub, I did 1/8" holes in 1" grids. This was to reduce losing perlite and to control drainage, while retaining the same area for FAE.
Untested as of yet, but it seems as though it will work just as well (not better, just fits into my situation)
If you have very coarse perlite, it will drain much faster, but the fine perlite will fall through the 1/4" holes..
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Re: DRILLING HOLES ON BOTTOM OF SGFC [Re: cool] 1
#16321162 - 06/02/12 12:17 PM (11 months, 15 days ago) |
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cool said:
99 percent humidity is 99 percent humidity no matter what way you slice it, if im getting 99 percent humidtity with no holes on the bottom, what is your theory now???
99% humidity is a minor concern when growing mushrooms. Massive air exchange is a major concern and you, as have countless other new growers failed to learn this yet. May I suggest you listen to those who have come before you and learn from them.
RR
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 Violet
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Re: DRILLING HOLES ON BOTTOM OF SGFC [Re: RogerRabbit]
#16321209 - 06/02/12 12:27 PM (11 months, 15 days ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
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cool said:
99 percent humidity is 99 percent humidity no matter what way you slice it, if im getting 99 percent humidtity with no holes on the bottom, what is your theory now???
99% humidity is a minor concern when growing mushrooms. Massive air exchange is a major concern and you, as have countless other new growers failed to learn this yet. May I suggest you listen to those who have come before you and learn from them.
RR
Precisely.
OP,
You can get 99%RH in any tub with a glass of water inside.
You HAVE to have bottom holes in your SGFC for fresh-air to flow through, while still having that high humidity.
Were you trying to drill holes in the bottom with it already filled with perlite? That's what the OP sounds like!
You could only have yourself to blame for that.
The holes in the SIDE of the container, at perlite level, will not make up for the holes in the bottom missing. The SGFC already has those holes in the sides, and they're less than half the surface area at perlite level than the bottom of the tote.
If you don't build your SGFC the way we're saying, if you DO get SOME mushrooms they'll be unhealthy and have ultra-fuzzy stems.
Do it right, and see your/their performance shoot up to satisfaction.
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Re: DRILLING HOLES ON BOTTOM OF SGFC [Re: Violet]
#16325589 - 06/03/12 11:02 AM (11 months, 14 days ago) |
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 (on most of the help you've had on this thread OP)
However, I have had success with no holes on the bottoms, or the bottoms of the sides- BUT, they did NOT grow well.
It took extra work and misting/fanning didn't do the job it was supposed to do- I got tiny shrooms from a trusted cube, whose same cakes/trays performed wayyyy better in the correctly build SGFC next to it.
What everyone is saying on here is true- and I experimented with a couple different types of SGFCs that I created, and the true working SGFC is the one everyone is describing on here- trust their words!
And also, if your perlite is dripping onto the floor, you obviously didin't drain it good enough- you want your perlite "moist", there should be no excess moisture capable of dripping and causing a mess on your floor. I usually have to take a lot of time draining my perlite when I do it because of where I live and the climate- it doesn't dry out very well this time of year.... so take your specific environmental factors to heart too.
Don't get pissed and don't fret about it- it's a lot of fun to live and learn this stuff, just tweak it a little, fix the issues, and then you get bitches and money.... err or somethin like that 
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Re: DRILLING HOLES ON BOTTOM OF SGFC [Re: RogerRabbit]
#16364795 - 06/11/12 09:46 AM (11 months, 6 days ago) |
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RogerRabbit said:
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cool said:
99 percent humidity is 99 percent humidity no matter what way you slice it, if im getting 99 percent humidtity with no holes on the bottom, what is your theory now???
99% humidity is a minor concern when growing mushrooms. Massive air exchange is a major concern and you, as have countless other new growers failed to learn this yet. May I suggest you listen to those who have come before you and learn from them.
RR
MYCOLOGY GOD HAS SPOKEN. Also I highly suggest u listen to anyth ing this guy posts, he taught everybody how to grow shrooms pretty much. And i'm on my first grow too and I even know 1.follow the tek DON'T CHANGE IT
2.don't assume u know more than the guys who have done this for years.
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my issue has been fixed, the issue was i was misting to much, thanks everyone, but i am still having bacteria problems , i am making a new post.
Edited by cool (06/11/12 10:44 AM)
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Re: DRILLING HOLES ON BOTTOM OF SGFC [Re: cool]
#16364942 - 06/11/12 10:50 AM (11 months, 6 days ago) |
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How were you misting too much if your cakes were drying out? Ask follow up questions in the thread you already have, not a new one.
Bacteria is caused by lack of fresh air when it(rarely) occurs during the fruiting stage. Next time follow the tek which has been proved for many years now.
RR
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Re: DRILLING HOLES ON BOTTOM OF SGFC [Re: RogerRabbit]
#16364969 - 06/11/12 10:57 AM (11 months, 6 days ago) |
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my cakes were not drying out, that was the problem, and i thought they were, therefor they were getting to much water, i COMPLETLEY stop misting and left the lid off of the tub for a day or two and a couple of the cakes that have not pinned yet,did so and grew decent sized fruits, and also, my cakes were not even really drying out , so that tells me they had to much moisture, i am making a new post regarding my bacteria/non germination of jars problem now, and i am suspecting that because i bought a new mixing bowl and doubling the ingredients now so i dont have to remeasure, that i am not mixing the brown rice flour good enough, i am doing 4 cups vermiculite , 2 cups water and 2 cups brf in a mixing bowl , i am now buying a electric mixer at wallmart.
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Re: DRILLING HOLES ON BOTTOM OF SGFC [Re: cool]
#16365241 - 06/11/12 12:28 PM (11 months, 6 days ago) |
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cool said:
my cakes were not drying out, that was the problem, and i thought they were, therefor they were getting to much water, i COMPLETLEY stop misting and left the lid off of the tub for a day or two and a couple of the cakes that have not pinned yet,did so and grew decent sized fruits, and also, my cakes were not even really drying out , so that tells me they had to much moisture, i am making a new post regarding my bacteria/non germination of jars problem now, and i am suspecting that because i bought a new mixing bowl and doubling the ingredients now so i dont have to remeasure, that i am not mixing the brown rice flour good enough, i am doing 4 cups vermiculite , 2 cups water and 2 cups brf in a mixing bowl , i am now buying a electric mixer at wallmart.
That ratio is correct for 10 1/2 pint jars- make sure you mix the h20 and verm first (mix it well), then add the BRF. And use a big wooden spoon or something? lol
 you don't need an electric mixer- spend that money on more jars or BRF
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i dont think i am mixing it well enough, especally the amount i am trying to mix, this stuff is difficult to mix
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Re: DRILLING HOLES ON BOTTOM OF SGFC [Re: cool]
#16365293 - 06/11/12 12:45 PM (11 months, 6 days ago) |
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cool said:
i dont think i am mixing it well enough, especally the amount i am trying to mix, this stuff is difficult to mix
huh? Are you paralyzed or something?
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Re: DRILLING HOLES ON BOTTOM OF SGFC [Re: PinheadX]
#16365295 - 06/11/12 12:47 PM (11 months, 6 days ago) |
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SleeveOfWizard
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Re: DRILLING HOLES ON BOTTOM OF SGFC [Re: cool]
#16365432 - 06/11/12 01:39 PM (11 months, 6 days ago) |
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cool said:
my cakes were not drying out, that was the problem, and i thought they were, therefor they were getting to much water, i COMPLETELY stop misting and left the lid off of the tub for a day or two and a couple of the cakes that have not pinned yet,did so and grew decent sized fruits, and also, my cakes were not even really drying out , so that tells me they had to much moisture, i am making a new post regarding my bacteria/non germination of jars problem now, and i am suspecting that because i bought a new mixing bowl and doubling the ingredients now so i dont have to remeasure, that i am not mixing the brown rice flour good enough, i am doing 4 cups vermiculite , 2 cups water and 2 cups brf in a mixing bowl , i am now buying a electric mixer at wallmart.
You should pick up a few of the cakes that started pinning before you mist them again to get a feel for the dry weight of a 1/2 pint pf-cake, then pick them up again after misting. Then you can compare the feel of dry vs wet weight so you can avoid the problem in the future..
After seeing the growth from my current grow I will recommend that instead of using 2 cups of just plain water, use 1.5 cups of water and mix in half a cup of brewed coffee. Then use the 2 cups of your water/coffee solution to mix into your verm really well, then add the BRF.. It really seems to help the colonization speed.
Be careful with that mixer, cleanup will be a pita.. I find a big spoon to be sufficient for mixing, but it really helps to use a BIG mixing bowl.. Like way larger than you really need.. It makes it alot easier to throw it around and get it all mixed up well.
Lessons learned, so this time around you should do better, making sure they get better GE, and hopefully making modifications to your SGFC to promote better airflow throughout.
If you still have problems with FAE, just head out to Radio Shack and buy a PC fan and a 9v battery, and just set the fan on top of your SGFC pointing so it blows air straight UP. This will make it pull air from the FC causing more air to flow in through the bottom, evaporating the moisture in the perlite to keep humidity up, and evaporating moisture on the cakes to keep pinning going, and a constant flow of fresh o2 letting the mushies breath..
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My 1st grow, Thai Tanic (here)
My 2nd grow, Bannana Pine (here)
Now I'm putting on my big boy pants and attempting grains.. (here)
Edited by SleeveOfWizard (06/11/12 01:41 PM)
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i am suspecting now that i have a new mixing bowl and now doubling the ingredients i am using so i dont have to remeasure, that i am now not mixing my brown rice flour substrate good enough, i am getting bacteria contam's like crazy now, i am wondering if mabee the brown rice flour is not getting mixed in good enough some jars are getting to much brf ??? and some jars are not getting enough, i have a few questions ,, i made theese a little drier this time and kept the temps a little cooler, around 70 degrees. mabee 65 at night, i am doing 4 cups of vermiculite and 2 cups of water and 2 cups of Brown rice flour, i mix the vermic and water togeather and slowing mix in the brown rice flour,
1. would bacteria contam be more likely to happen in a jar that has more brown rice flour then what the pf tek calls for?
2. would spores not germinate in a jar that does not have enough brown rice flour?
3. can anyone tell me what a jar might do if the substrate was not mixed properly?
4. do lids to the jar have to be scrubbed completely spotless after each use???? thier is some nasty rust and some of the bans are kinda dented, does the lid have to make a airtight seal if thier is holes in the lid anyway?? my filter is the dry vermiculite.
all theese problems started when i moved to this new place, but i bought a new mixing bowl and starting mixing double ingredients also when i moved here, before i moved here i had 100 percent success with this method everytime, and i used a wetter mix and a higher temperature then i do now, i am not using a glove box , i have never had to use a glove box before ,
i shower
brush teeth and mouthwash
dont wear hardly any clothes except clean boxers
i make sure there is no moving air 20 min prior to and during innoc
the vermiculite layer looked dry, made sure to keep it dry when i make the jars...
i moved the jars into another room this time, they are not exposed to marijuana smoke,
i dont do anything in the kitcken anymore, thier is a fridge thier and airflow i cannot control due to a water heater, i did the innoc in another room this time with no air moving at all, i thought this was my problem, but i guess i was wrong!!!!
i have never had to use a glove box before or wear a surgical mask , i used to have to try really hard to fuck a jar up, so i dont know whats going on now.
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I had similar leakage issues when I re-hydrated my perlite between flushes....I found the trick was to let it drain as much as it seemed it was going to, then elevate one corner (thus tipping it into one direction) and leave it for half an hour or so.
This way I was able to walk it back to where I keep it with just a few drops, rather than leaving a trail the whole way from the bathroom. I still put a towel under it, as it will drip a few drips either way but it's not a massive deal.
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Re: DRILLING HOLES ON BOTTOM OF SGFC [Re: GoldenArrow]
#16365512 - 06/11/12 01:58 PM (11 months, 6 days ago) |
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small fruits issues has been solved, it was to wet, now i need to figure this bacteria contam problem,
Edited by cool (06/11/12 02:05 PM)
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SleeveOfWizard
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Re: DRILLING HOLES ON BOTTOM OF SGFC [Re: cool]
#16366025 - 06/11/12 04:21 PM (11 months, 6 days ago) |
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It doesnt have to be mixed perfectly just decent enough that you have the brf distributed pretty evenly..
You actually may want to add a little bit more to your subrtate mix. I doubled the PF-Tek recipe for 5 jars, but I only had enough to do 9 jars, and just had a tiny bit leftover..
Make sure when you fill your jars, really wipe down the sides of the top 1/2" with a paper towel to get it dry. And do a 'heavy' 1/2" layer of dry verm.
Also when innoculating make sure when you put the needle in, and pull it out, that you arent shooting your spore solution into the dry verm layer. Put the needle all the way in, shoot, then pull it out. You should be good otherwise. And be sure to steam them for a good 90 min. And make sure your foil is on tight when you do, you dont have to tape it down or rubberband it, but hand press it on tightly..
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My 1st grow, Thai Tanic (here)
My 2nd grow, Bannana Pine (here)
Now I'm putting on my big boy pants and attempting grains.. (here)
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