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 First Jars, Very Fine Verm / BRF 
#16356017 - 06/09/12 02:12 PM (11 months, 7 days ago) |
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Hey all, just starting a new batch now because the first batch failed. I used a mix of about 60/40 BRF (course and fine) with Very Fine verm (like sand). Since my last one failed, I didn't want to mess this one up. I would like to know if my mix looks good this time before I pop it in the pressure cooker for an hour. Thoughts and comments appreciated.
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Re: First Jars, Very Fine Verm / BRF [Re: Trax]
#16356058 - 06/09/12 02:22 PM (11 months, 7 days ago) |
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Those look fine.
As long as its not packed in there.
Make sure to wipe the lip with a paper towel or something half inch from the top down and fill with dry verm.
Also make sure its not loosely filled, (the dry verm)
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Re: First Jars, Very Fine Verm / BRF [Re: Theif]
#16356068 - 06/09/12 02:26 PM (11 months, 7 days ago) |
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I fill to the very bottom of the jar threads with BRF mix. I'd add a little more. Then fill with vermiculite all the way to the top, minus just a hair. Level off with a shimmy. I use the super fine vermiculite too and don't have any problems.
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Like so?
Dry verm from the bottom of the threads up. Think they will have enough air? I thought the point of coarser grade was to let it breath better?
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Re: First Jars, Very Fine Verm / BRF [Re: Trax]
#16356370 - 06/09/12 03:53 PM (11 months, 7 days ago) |
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I dont know i used the same kind as you i believe and mine colonized full in about 14 days, and i was using the tall ones.
Just make sure its not packed, the "Verm , brown rice, and water".
After thats in there wipe the half inch top part of the jar, then fill that with dry verm.
Try to get the dry verm pretty evend out to where its not moving in the jar!
Its your shield so you want it to stay in place.
Good luck m8, also id go for a little over an hour for boiling !
Good lcuk
Get that verm from the bottom of the threads ALL The way up.
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Edited by Theif (06/09/12 03:54 PM)
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Re: First Jars, Very Fine Verm / BRF [Re: Theif]
#16356408 - 06/09/12 04:04 PM (11 months, 7 days ago) |
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Got it! Dry verm layer is up top and I have them in the pressure cooker. I thought 1 hour would be sufficient for that? Or should I go for 1 1/2? They are 1/2 pint jars. Also, one of the jars looked a little packed on the bottom (the mixture just kinda settled), will it still be okay? Your help is much appreciated, thank you.
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Re: First Jars, Very Fine Verm / BRF [Re: Trax]
#16356474 - 06/09/12 04:20 PM (11 months, 7 days ago) |
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I prefer bigger dry verm layers to better protect from contams, and also make sure to follow the tek to the t to get good results.
important steps ppl usually overlook:
Mix exact # of cups of h20 w/ exact # of cups of verm, THEN add exact # of cups of BRF.
make sure you mix verm and water well, and don't overdo either ingredient! Once the mix is good, add BRF and stir well- you want your mix to be moist, but not wet.
#1 problem I've seen with beginners doing Pf-teks- moisture content.
Looks good though, hope you succeed this time around!
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OH! You have a PC, yeah 1hour is good enough, i thought you were just boiling!
Good luck, make sure them fuckers are cool before inoculating.
Yep, you should be fine, one of my jars out of 5 actually shrunk a lot.
The bottom pushed up like half an inch from the bottom of the jar when it was colonized.!
Follow the tek to a T , should be golden
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Re: First Jars, Very Fine Verm / BRF [Re: Theif]
#16356759 - 06/09/12 05:26 PM (11 months, 6 days ago) |
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Shrunk? likely due to the pressure? I hope things turn out alright. Just turned off the PC and will let them cool down until tomorrow morning when I inoculate. As I remember, flame sterilize the syringe, inject into 4 sites on the sides of the jar and make sure you see the stuff running down the side of the jar.
What about the dry verm layer? Just poke through it and i'm good?
Is the alcohol wiping on the tops and sides necessary after the PC? I assumed that would sterilize them fairly well.
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Poke through the dry vermiculite trying to disturb it as little as possible (i.e. don't move the needle side to side).
I clean jars with alcohol just out of habit; perhaps overkill but overkill is good. 
Good luck!
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Thanks. I injected 2/3 into the 2 jars (probably overkill, I know) and the temp is at 79 ATM. I hope I didn't disturb the dry layer too much, is it possible for the jar to get contaminated in a drawer? I plan to just let it sit and check up on it in a couple days.
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Re: First Jars, Very Fine Verm / BRF [Re: Trax]
#16363073 - 06/10/12 10:18 PM (11 months, 5 days ago) |
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i was able to get a 4 cubic foot bag of verm for like $35. premium medium grade from a local nursery. sunshine brand. the bag is huge....fills 5-6 5 gallon buckets!
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Re: First Jars, Very Fine Verm / BRF [Re: Notahacker420]
#16405731 - 06/19/12 10:09 PM (10 months, 27 days ago) |
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Update: Inoculated 3 more jars, 1 is 20% or so and the other is around 50%. Doing well, been between 80F and 85F (adjusted 5F for jar). When I'm done, I assume just plop them into a vented tub filled with pre-soaked perlite and mist every now and then?
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Re: First Jars, Very Fine Verm / BRF [Re: Trax]
#16405994 - 06/19/12 10:49 PM (10 months, 27 days ago) |
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As long as "every now and then" means four times a day then yea...
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Re: First Jars, Very Fine Verm / BRF [Re: WillSolvem]
#16406266 - 06/19/12 11:45 PM (10 months, 27 days ago) |
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Some thoughts for your next time around:
I too used very fine vermiculite, almost sandy, and I also ground my own BRF so it was like a very coarse sand. I did fill my tall 1/2 pint jars up to where the threads start (I slammed them hard on the SIDES with my hand to 'pack' them, but keep the mix airy) Wiped off the top 1/2" with a paper towel, and filled the rest with dry verm.
I also used brewed coffee in my water. 25/75 ratio. Didnt tape over my holes. MS inoculation, 9 jars and they were pinning by day 23, no contams..
It works very, very well..
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Will they pin before they take over the entire jar? One is almost complete, at about 70% except the bottom and the other is about 30-40%. Of the 3 others, 1 is already starting while the other 2 show no obvious signs.
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Re: First Jars, Very Fine Verm / BRF [Re: Trax]
#16435590 - 06/25/12 02:16 PM (10 months, 22 days ago) |
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Update: One is at about 90-95% complete, just the bottom left. The other is almost 80% complete. Of the 3 new ones, the 1 is looking strong while the others show no sign at all just yet.
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Re: First Jars, Very Fine Verm / BRF [Re: Trax]
#16437615 - 06/25/12 10:03 PM (10 months, 21 days ago) |
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Hey Trax!
I love the pf-tek dude... pins will definitely pop up b4 birthing- make sure when they look 100% you let em sit for another 3-5 days at least!
Pinning in jars means they're ready to fruit
If you don't wanna fruit them cause they aren't fully colonized BUT they have a couple of pins, it's not a big deal- you can be careful dunk n rolling, or just pick them, reattach after, etc.
hope that helped- PM me or reply here if you are confused about anything... and I have a zillion pictures I could show ya too
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