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 yogabunny
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 my sister has been diagnosed with BPD 
#16347866 - 06/07/12 08:24 PM (11 months, 7 days ago) |
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does anyone have any advice for me & my family?
she confessed to me & my brother last week that she had been sexually abused by our grandfather (mine by marriage) from age 13-18. my parents had known for about 2 years and for some reason i'll never understand they opted to keep it a secret from my brother & i. anyway last week after we talked she snapped and started having schizophrenic/paranoid delusions, visions, hallucinations, etc. she didn't sleep for about 5 days straight and was barely eating as well. tuesday night she went into my mom's room with a gun to her head threatening to kill herself. my parents called the cops and they admitted her to the looney bin that night. they have her on abilify and she might be able to sign herself out tomorrow - i think she should stay there until they're sure the abilify has kicked in, but she wants out. i know it's going to be a long road to healing for her but now that we're all in it together i feel like she will definitely be able to get better.
if anyone has any sage advice for me i'd really appreciate it.
/sadbunny
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Re: my sister has been diagnosed with BPD [Re: yogabunny]
#16348124 - 06/07/12 09:17 PM (11 months, 7 days ago) |
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my old therapist told me i was bi- polar
it was after a dark time in my life where I was institutionalized for being a "marijuana addict" 
i went psycotic while taking antidepressants(the depression was brought on by some sexual issues as a result of being isolated and ripped away from someone i loved.. repeatedly) and i fought someone for saying some stupid mom joke
we really beat the crap out of each other  .
thats when i figured most of mental problems are just byproducts of extremely stressful living situations and improper form of stress
i realized i needed to be more proactive about acheiveing balance in my life
its one of those things made up by crazy shrinks
extreme bliss and depression are just part of life
here is your sisters main problem
"she didn't sleep for about 5 days straight and was barely eating as well"
body abuse = mind abuse
the most important thing is to peel away those layers of her mind and find out the root cause of what made her snap.
abilify and other antipsycotics are really bad ideas in my opinion.
they may be able to balance someone temporarilly but long term exposure tends to fuck up their brain chemistry even more, cause really undesireable side effects and exaserbate scitzoid symptoms.Aripiprazole aka abilify
the best thing you can do is take her out for some yoga
Lots of people need a reason to justify their existence, very easy to lose sight of what exactly that is.
The great outdoors, nature, devotion to a just cause, exersise of not only the body but the mind as well as proper diet will put your sister on the path to health. the only other option is insanity, but the choice is really hers so make this clear to her (write a letter or something she can hold on to).
You must also be very weary when she gets back from the asylum of her fragile state where she can not only harm herself but others to.
people truly want to feel good but sometimes they just dont know how or feel guilty and belive that they should suffer, the choice is hers but you can definately make a diffrence yogabunny.
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Re: my sister has been diagnosed with BPD [Re: yogabunny]
#16348360 - 06/07/12 09:57 PM (11 months, 7 days ago) |
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yogabunny said:
does anyone have any advice for me & my family?
she confessed to me & my brother last week that she had been sexually abused by our grandfather (mine by marriage) from age 13-18. my parents had known for about 2 years and for some reason i'll never understand they opted to keep it a secret from my brother & i. anyway last week after we talked she snapped and started having schizophrenic/paranoid delusions, visions, hallucinations, etc. she didn't sleep for about 5 days straight and was barely eating as well. tuesday night she went into my mom's room with a gun to her head threatening to kill herself. my parents called the cops and they admitted her to the looney bin that night. they have her on abilify and she might be able to sign herself out tomorrow - i think she should stay there until they're sure the abilify has kicked in, but she wants out. i know it's going to be a long road to healing for her but now that we're all in it together i feel like she will definitely be able to get better.
if anyone has any sage advice for me i'd really appreciate it.
/sadbunny
Damn. Sorry to hear that. I took abilify for a little bit but it made me feel like shit. Nausea and all that. Have you heard of the anti-psychotic effects of Cannabidol? Along with THC it's one of the active ingredients in cannabis. There's some studies that show the benefits and low side effect profile of cannabidiol. If you're in a medical marijuana state than you could get her a medical card and she could buy some Cannabidiol tinctures or oils. There was a pharmaceutical company working on bring cannabidiol to the market through the FDA. The product was called Modulyn and was pure cannabidiol. Cannabidiol is just as effective as atypical anti-psychotics in preventing psychosis. Good luck!
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she lives in PA, not a medical marijuana state, and the abilify is definitely just a temporary fix. she needs emotional/spiritual healing on a deep level and the idea is to figure out that path and then ween her off.
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Re: my sister has been diagnosed with BPD [Re: yogabunny]
#16349030 - 06/07/12 11:57 PM (11 months, 7 days ago) |
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is this bipolar disorder or borderline personality disorder?
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Re: my sister has been diagnosed with BPD [Re: Freedom]
#16349114 - 06/08/12 12:12 AM (11 months, 7 days ago) |
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borderline, sorry.
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Re: my sister has been diagnosed with BPD [Re: yogabunny]
#16349237 - 06/08/12 12:30 AM (11 months, 7 days ago) |
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yogabunny said:
she lives in PA, not a medical marijuana state, and the abilify is definitely just a temporary fix. she needs emotional/spiritual healing on a deep level and the idea is to figure out that path and then ween her off.
I've heard meditation helps with that kind of thing. Also maybe hypnosis and cognitive behavioral therapy. I honestly don't know what would be best for her cause everybody's different. But I hope you can help her find the path that best suits her.
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I don't have much advice to give as i don't have much experience with something like this, but i wanted to say that my heart goes out to you, and you and your family will be in my thoughts and prayers. 
Meditation, yoga, and nature (as stated above) sound like a good idea to me 
good luck bunny 
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Re: my sister has been diagnosed with BPD [Re: Mr.PhilCybin]
#16351037 - 06/08/12 11:13 AM (11 months, 7 days ago) |
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If she'll let me I'm going to teach her some meditation techniques while I'm there. I'm crossing my fingers that she'll stay in the hospital at least one more night so I can convince her to stay through the weekend and make sure the medicine kicks in, then she'll start talk therapy on tuesday. eventually i'd like her to work with plant medicines, but that will be down the line when she's successfully weened off the anti-psychotic/anti-depressant.
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Re: my sister has been diagnosed with BPD [Re: yogabunny]
#16351296 - 06/08/12 12:24 PM (11 months, 7 days ago) |
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oh I'm sorry that one can be really tough. I know someone whose mother has this and it can be incredibly draining for her at times because the mother demands so much attention. I know every case is different but because this is your sister you may feel obligated at times to give more than is healthy for yourself. Obviously you'll want to help her and that is a good thing but remember to take care of yourself as well. Goodluck.
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Re: my sister has been diagnosed with BPD [Re: yogabunny]
#16351628 - 06/08/12 01:44 PM (11 months, 7 days ago) |
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My mom has BPD and she has always had massive and quick mood swings for no apparent reason and a litany of paranoid fantasies. It drove me fucking NUTS as a child and I have blocked out most of my childhood but I've now learned to just accept her as she is. I no longer give any time of day to her paranoid garbage and just instantly change the subject when she brings it up. I honestly don't think there is anything you can do to help beyond just being there for your sister when she needs you. Good luck RP.
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Re: my sister has been diagnosed with BPD [Re: yogabunny]
#16352857 - 06/08/12 07:00 PM (11 months, 6 days ago) |
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Eh, I'd be skeptical of that diagnosis until things pass. In any case, I hope things get better and therapy sounds like the best option.
Having dealt with a mentally unstable sibling who was committed when my parents called the cops when he had a gun to his head, my heart goes out to you and your family. It is going to be a long road to healing unfortunately. I think it was something like 4+ years until my brother became somewhat normal again and that was only after a few other suicide attempts and otherwise violent altercations. It'll take it's toll on you, and it will especially take it's toll on your parents.
I suggest trying to distance yourself emotionally, but still remaining supportive of your sister and especially of your parents. Stay healthy, sleep well, take care of yourself, and encourage the rest of your family to do the same.
Good luck, yogabunny.
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Re: my sister has been diagnosed with BPD [Re: Anonymous #1] 1
#16354813 - 06/09/12 03:36 AM (11 months, 6 days ago) |
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Re: my sister has been diagnosed with BPD [Re: Almond Flour]
#16354975 - 06/09/12 04:53 AM (11 months, 6 days ago) |
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U again
-.-
This has nothing to do with the whole god topic
really this sounds like ptsd
I know afgani war vets who will freak out and it almost seems intentional but they have no recollection of the freak out afterward.
Ask your sister about the part with the gun; see if she remembers anything
also do tell more of the delusions, what exactly was she saying that was delusional. What did the hallucinations consist of?
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Re: my sister has been diagnosed with BPD [Re: yogabunny]
#16355161 - 06/09/12 08:37 AM (11 months, 6 days ago) |
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yogabunny said:
does anyone have any advice for me & my family?
she confessed to me & my brother last week that she had been sexually abused by our grandfather (mine by marriage) from age 13-18. my parents had known for about 2 years and for some reason i'll never understand they opted to keep it a secret from my brother & i. anyway last week after we talked she snapped and started having schizophrenic/paranoid delusions, visions, hallucinations, etc. she didn't sleep for about 5 days straight and was barely eating as well. tuesday night she went into my mom's room with a gun to her head threatening to kill herself. my parents called the cops and they admitted her to the looney bin that night. they have her on abilify and she might be able to sign herself out tomorrow - i think she should stay there until they're sure the abilify has kicked in, but she wants out. i know it's going to be a long road to healing for her but now that we're all in it together i feel like she will definitely be able to get better.
if anyone has any sage advice for me i'd really appreciate it.
/sadbunny
Hey yogabunny, I have lived experience of bpd, though I dont meet the diagnostic criteria anymore. Contrary to popular belief, sexual abuse does not create the disorder, it exacerbates it for sure, even helps to develop dissociated states. This disorder is thought to be attachment related and there is evidence to suggest that very, very early life experiences set the foundation. A simple method for family members to conceptualise the difficulties of a borderline and all the dynamics they bring is schema therapy. I dont support any "brand" of therapy although if she dissociates - which by sounds of it she does, then cognitive analytical treatment or dynamic deconstructive psychotherapy may help.
www.schematherapy.com - quite a comprehensive set of assessment tools and scoring devices plus "modes". In this view she has an underdeveloped healthy adult but swings quite wildly between angry child, detached protector, punitive parent abandoned child, you want to appeal to the healthy adult. The problem is she needs intensive treatment, and medication DOES NOT WORK FOR THIS CONDITION. If anything, it alleviates crises on a temporary basis. Though she may self medicate. Be prepared for a breakdown.
May I suggest reading up on Dr Diamond (Evil Deeds, The Inner Child) psychologytoday.com ?
As far as the type of family conflicts you guys may experience, you'll find it's representative of her inner conflict.
Here's a very good friend of mine and his youtube channel, he has personal experience too and offers good advice. Take it from experts by experience, not just some pretend doctor although one of the doctors in the next video below decided last year to disclose her struggle with borderline personality - she created dialtectical behaviour therapy Dr. Marsha Linehan.
This has got to be one of the best current videos on the condition:
I said although I no longer meet the diagnostic criteria, it doesnt mean I dont have bad days and major setbacks - life is full of uncertainty and inherent suffering, the goal for a person with borderline pd it to try and tolerate these things. And with support around, she can learn to adapt to her extremely sensitive emotional world. Its like a burn victim, what would take alot to trigger you off would take me and your sister just a tiny amount and then it's 0-100% anger in 0.5 seconds.
Its a lifetime commitment and very tiring but the rewards are great.. Sorry if this isnt so sage as you requested.
 me if you just need to relate. In my professional life I train forensic staff on how to work with this disorder and other extremes (psychopathy...)
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Re: my sister has been diagnosed with BPD [Re: yogabunny]
#16355525 - 06/09/12 11:50 AM (11 months, 6 days ago) |
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yogabunny said:
does anyone have any advice for me & my family?
she confessed to me & my brother last week that she had been sexually abused by our grandfather (mine by marriage) from age 13-18. my parents had known for about 2 years and for some reason i'll never understand they opted to keep it a secret from my brother & i. anyway last week after we talked she snapped and started having schizophrenic/paranoid delusions, visions, hallucinations, etc. she didn't sleep for about 5 days straight and was barely eating as well. tuesday night she went into my mom's room with a gun to her head threatening to kill herself. my parents called the cops and they admitted her to the looney bin that night. they have her on abilify and she might be able to sign herself out tomorrow - i think she should stay there until they're sure the abilify has kicked in, but she wants out. i know it's going to be a long road to healing for her but now that we're all in it together i feel like she will definitely be able to get better.
if anyone has any sage advice for me i'd really appreciate it.
/sadbunny
After reading the first comment I thought there must be some error because BPD is borderline, BP is bipolar but you clarified the issue. It's not unusual for a borderline to experience hallucinations and delusions especially if they lack REM sleep and are eating poorly. There was a lot of solid advice here but ignoring her by distancing yourself from her is ridiculous suggestion which is exactly why it was done anonymously. Incestual rape would wreck even the most seemingly well balanced individual let alone a borderline who is constantly being torn apart by their own program. It seems psychological on the surface because it involves the swing in personality but it is driven by significant underlying health conditions which in turn trip over the brain in a big way. I witnessed a woman who was clearly borderline two days ago at home depot. Her behavior in response to a belligerent customer arguing with the store manager regarding returning items revealed everything. I was standing right behind her online and in talking to her I was like Ohh yeah, borderline! I'm being very serious, they are that easy to pick out most times. There's a well developed theory that many borderlines were born to mothers who had difficult pregnancies while carrying the individual. THIS IS NOT THE CASE IN EVERY CASE! Just in case we have the master debators out there.
Psychology definitely plays a role because it's what drives the each phase which can triggered by a simple word or phrase or even merely a simple association. But it is a physical condition that is causing the individual to feel like they are being ripped apart emotionally. I really enjoyed the videos and intend to look at the posters friends channel closer and maybe even sub it. But talk therapy under the guidance of someone who knows what they're doing and due diligence on the part of the individual and their MD can resolve it all... Again, borderlines do hallucinate and experience paranoia and delusions but 5 days without REM and extremely poor nutrition, come on, it's little wonder the poor girl suffered a break down. On top of competent psychological counseling she and a qualified physician need to do their due diligence working together to uncover her physical state.
I can almost guarantee that she has a digestive issue even if she's not expressing outward symptoms of distress. this could be related to the conditions she was in throughout her developmental phase in the womb or she could have very easily developed dysbiosis by merely having a doctor prescribe a simple anti biotic just once without placing her on a high quality probiotic afterwards. The evidence has been known for decades but only up until recently has it become a widely heated debate and all of the evidence submitted to PubMed is suggesting that TONS of health issues can be directly linked to intestinal ecology. The only studies that have been submitted are being paid for privately and every single one of them are proving beyond a doubt how serious a condition this really was the entire time others were claiming it was. sadly no "main stream" studies have been done yet but depression has already been confirmed and submitted for peer reveiw and bipolar and schizoid spectrum's are in the works. Autoimmune, heart disease, diabetes, chronic fatigue, IBS, fibromyalgia to name just a few have already been confirmed also. A call was made at the end of last year by a statistician asking if this needs to be more deeply studied. Well it's about time considering it was well known for over 30 years now! And BPD was a biggie.
I'm not trying to imply it's DEFINITELY a gut issue but odds are it is and she may have other underlying health issues most doctors are completely incapable of wrapping their heads around. This, on top of a bad program which includes incestual rape have set your poor sister up for a cyclical pattern of behavior she struggles with internally. Odds are very high she's very well aware of these issues but there isn't a thing she can do about it because she has a physical condition(s) everyone she's seeing are completely unaware of. This really blows my mind, it wrecks me so often to hear thesetwo weeks or so to get a serious crisis under control only and then the patient should be taken off of them. Even the manufacturers literature says this but they'll never say it outright because legally as long as it's in the literature they they don't have to and are completely covered from a legal standpoint and they know it.
You said she's in Pennsylvania, well depending on how close she is to either route 80 or 78 she can get answers. To me, I'd be willing to travel for something like this but she needs a good Somatic psychologist because they are the pros when it comes to trauma like PTSD or rape issues. Behavior becomes a no brainer to them, especially if the health issues are determined. The form of therapy put out there by the guy whose friend did the vid seems kind of interesting as well as the other one, I don't know too much about it though but someone who practices CBT would be a complete fail and a waste of time because you want someone who see's the mind and body intimately linked to one another because they are but it's more body mind then mind body if you know what I mean, especially here in this instance. A CBTer will do things equivalent to poking someone with a stick and see what kind of response they get. Isn't it interesting that the modalities that are embraced by the masses who practice these methods swear they are the bomb. What else could they say?
Anyway, let me know... It'll cost $375.00 for the initial consultation which includes reviewing past medical records, interpreting a questionnaire and a complete physical exam... The second visit is $145.00 and subsequent visits are $120.00. Sometimes the fees can be partially covered as an out of network physician and these costs vary depending on your policy but in the rest of the instances it will satisfy all your deductibles. And all lab fees are completely covered, including the most unusual, rarely performed tests. They where covered for me 100%. All I had to do was get pre-appoval for a few of them. Let me know your thoughts, I can hook you up with a champion who thinks outside of the box. If you decide not to pursue it, I completely understated, seriously because these kinds of statements are hard for many to believe I'm discovering and if this is the case, I wish your sister the very best.
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Re: my sister has been diagnosed with BPD [Re: yogabunny]
#16355544 - 06/09/12 11:57 AM (11 months, 6 days ago) |
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TO Do
1. Lock up the GUN
2. Make sure she gets proper rest
3. Make sure she gets a good diet
4. Be there to comfort her/watch over her
5. Have her see a therapist or psychologist
6. Teach her meditation techniques
7. Take her out fishing or something very peaceful and enjoyable every weekend
Hope this helps
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Re: my sister has been diagnosed with BPD [Re: Dest]
#16360036 - 06/10/12 10:44 AM (11 months, 5 days ago) |
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really this sounds like ptsd
I know afgani war vets who will freak out and it almost seems intentional but they have no recollection of the freak out afterward.
Ask your sister about the part with the gun; see if she remembers anything
also do tell more of the delusions, what exactly was she saying that was delusional. What did the hallucinations consist of?
probably it's a mix of both, but this is the SECOND time she's been diagnosed with BPD, and the second time she's been admitted to the psych ward. the first time was in high school after a long period on and off anti-depressants and cutting/suicide attempts, violent outbursts, etc.
the hallucinations are all over the map. she believes that the devil is inside her or around her at all times, and was pacing around for 5 nights straight almost all night clutching a bible. the first time my mom took her to the ER, she insisted to my mother that her 16 month old child was in labor and my mom had to call the house and have my dad wake the baby up and check her diaper. lots of delusions about the zodiac killer and being brutally killed by hospital staff if we were to leave her there alone. she thinks everyone was speaking to her in code. to make matters worse, she actually has some hyper intuitive abilities, and her jack ass of a husband is totally enabling this way of thinking when she really just needs to be focused on ordinary reality right now because she's having such a hard time telling what's intuition and what's anxiety/fear.
ANON #2 - you really hit the nail on the head with the digestive issues - she has struggled with them for her entire adult life, and i do think it would be to her great benefit to work with someone who understands the intimate mind-body connection. perhaps we can to discuss further your experience, etc.
THANK YOU everyone for the advice & support - I knew I could count on y'all.
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