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 Re: Research on MDMA/Ecstasy experiences of adults on autism spectrum  [Re: Dosile Kouki]
#16288782 - 05/26/12 07:17 PM (11 months, 16 days ago) |
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• Have no history of major (psychotic) disorder.
This item is a little confusing, why the parentheses, and shouldn't it be "[a] major psychotic disorder"? Small details are serious business to the autistic. 
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Re: Research on MDMA/Ecstasy experiences of adults on autism spectrum [Re: Hygrocybe]
#16288794 - 05/26/12 07:20 PM (11 months, 16 days ago) |
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Hygrocybe said:
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• Have no history of major (psychotic) disorder.
This item is a little confusing, why the parentheses, and shouldn't it be "[a] major psychotic disorder"? Small details are serious business to the autistic.
perhaps (psychotic) as opposed to(physical), or other disorder.
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Re: Research on MDMA/Ecstasy experiences of adults on autism spectrum [Re: Oregon]
#16288909 - 05/26/12 07:53 PM (11 months, 16 days ago) |
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Me too, I'm feeling a serious case of assburgers coming on.....I NEEDS ME MDMA!
(this shouldn't be stickied in OTD)
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Re: Research on MDMA/Ecstasy experiences of adults on autism spectrum [Re: RonaldFuckingPaul]
#16289051 - 05/26/12 08:25 PM (11 months, 16 days ago) |
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xFrockx said:
There is nothing inherently terrible about Autism.
You must have never met someone with autism. It fucking sucks man.
I have aspies. It took a longtime for me to come to terms with it, and I still am. I call it a gift, not a curse... IDK about most other forms of autism, they would indeed suck. To not be able to communicate is a bitch, I could only image what it would be like to be "low-Fn" and not be able to communicate. I will eventually get my message across, might take me a while, but I will get it across-even if no one cares, then I will repeat it over and over and over... ugh...
Im in. And its nice to hear everyone who does not have autism tell me what its like to have my mental status... I refuse to call it a disease. It does not fit the criteria IMO, it is not progressive, chronic, or fatal by anymeans
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Re: Research on MDMA/Ecstasy experiences of adults on autism spectrum [Re: MisterMuscaria]
#16289114 - 05/26/12 08:41 PM (11 months, 16 days ago) |
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I have mild aspergers and I dont see it in the least bit as a hindrance or a problem. It's society that views it that way. I dont think it's something that needs to be "cured". MDMA, however, has allowed me to experience empathy in a way that I always felt normal people seemed to. I guess in a way Ive always felt like an outsider looking in when I see other people experience true empathy as opposed to my systemized version. It tends to put people off when you look into their eyes for too long or dont look at them at all.
I guess the worst part (socially) is that feeling that you know you are fucking up(socially, in terms of offending, alienating or hurting others) but dont know how you are fucking up or how to stop fucking up. With mdma I can see all of that, and read faces. Normally I cannot read faces and the only way I can gauge someone's mood is if they say "Im mad" or "im sad" or "im having a blast" and then I utilize my leaned response to someone being in that mood...whether it be leaving them alone, giving them a hug or smiling.
This feels like a slap in the face man... You may have aspies... Just because you cant empathise does not mean you have aspeis... "If you dont see it in the least bit as a hinderance or problem", you dont have it. Seriously, I thought I was wrong as a person, even a sociopath for a while, because I have trouble feeling/reading anytype of emotion. Recently, the only everything goes straight to full on rage feeling... Sucks for real... The worst part of all is being sooo fucking smart and not being able to relate my message in a way that people dont take anyother way but arrogant. My extreme monotone voice is the reason, I just drone on and on and on about some super awesome interesting shit, and people tune out just because of the sound of my voice...
I noticed my biggest problem is THC, I can not function "normally" without it. Ive been addicted to about everydrug, every ROA... I stopped all that shit when I got sick and tired of it... But THC, all noids really, synth and natural, I can not stop using and can not control my use. Ive been to jail overthe shit many many times, not possession, but dirty pisstests... SUCKS, but I cant talkright without it.
There have been many times, when I am trying to get shit communicated, fail after fail after fail, getting unmeasurably frustrated/raged and I take one puff and the shit comes spewing out in perfect harmony with my thoughts...
[quote Normally I cannot read faces and the only way I can gauge someone's mood is if they say "Im mad" or "im sad" or "im having a blast" and then I utilize my leaned response to someone being in that mood...whether it be leaving them alone, giving them a hug or smiling.]
That sounds more sociopathic not aspie... Aspies understand what is going on, just cant communicate. Your not understanding emotion, and using learned responses to emotion, instead the behavior that the emotion dictates is sociopathic...
I understand the response, I just have trouble communicating it and usually bungle the fuck out of it till people don't like me one bit.
Edited because I was playing doctor, and this is the internet... not tv
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Re: Research on MDMA/Ecstasy experiences of adults on autism spectrum [Re: WorldWideWInton]
#16289222 - 05/26/12 09:06 PM (11 months, 16 days ago) |
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Prosopagnosia (inability to read faces) alexithymia (low emotional IQ) and lack of empathy can all be a part of autism. You can't make generalizations based on your own experience, because not all autistics are the same. Sociopaths understand emotion, and can be adept at using it to manipulate people for their own gratification.
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Re: Research on MDMA/Ecstasy experiences of adults on autism spectrum [Re: Hygrocybe]
#16289382 - 05/26/12 09:46 PM (11 months, 16 days ago) |
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OP might have more luck at wrongplanet.net.
Thanks for the suggestion. I posted there in March. As a researcher, I am limited to only one post in the Adult Topics section, so it's hard to remain very visible. There are some interesting discussion threads in there on MDMA from a few years back.
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Re: Research on MDMA/Ecstasy experiences of adults on autism spectrum [Re: Dan4th]
#16289568 - 05/26/12 10:46 PM (11 months, 16 days ago) |
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I have Aspergers (an actual diagnosis, not bawww I'm socially inept) and am very sad that I cannot participate in this. Unfortunately I am on a SSRI (citalopram) and MDMA probably wouldn't do anything for me. I can eat 7g of good cubensis and barely even get visuals. And having just looked at the website, looks like I wouldn't be able to participate anyway as I'm 20 and you must be 21. If it's still going on next year do let me know, as I intend to taper off the citalopram this summer. Good luck.
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Re: Research on MDMA/Ecstasy experiences of adults on autism spectrum [Re: GlasShrooms]
#16291386 - 05/27/12 10:24 AM (11 months, 15 days ago) |
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I too have a bit of autism in me. My brother is very autistic, I am more leaning to the aspergers side I guess. A mild to moderate case. I feel that psychedelics, especially mushrooms have helped me a lot. To get to know myself better. To be able to experience nature, my own true source of being , for what it is not in relation to how humans have made this world to be with it's system and rules. I think autists generally have a more difficult time to find their place in the system than others, but it is possible and once they do their isn't too much of a problem to it. It's not easy for everybody.
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Re: Research on MDMA/Ecstasy experiences of adults on autism spectrum [Re: clapauc]
#16292058 - 05/27/12 01:51 PM (11 months, 15 days ago) |
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I'm only 18, but I feel I'm kind of Autistic. Maybe Pervasive learning disorder.
Once I did half a x pill (Reported as MDA) with my cousin and went to hang out with some friends. It was great fun, I participating in conversations way more than I normally do and I just felt it easy to convert idea's into words. My cousin told me I was talking way more than normal. And I felt like I was on the level of the other dudes. They smoked us out big time and constantly gave us free cigarettes. I was taking tiny hits though cuz I'm not a social weed kinda guy  . It was a cool group of people and I felt I really only fit in when I was rolling.
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Re: Research on MDMA/Ecstasy experiences of adults on autism spectrum [Re: tospace]
#16292533 - 05/27/12 05:40 PM (11 months, 15 days ago) |
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Re: Research on MDMA/Ecstasy experiences of adults on autism spectrum [Re: Irishdrunk]
#16293952 - 05/28/12 08:04 AM (11 months, 14 days ago) |
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Sounds like a great thing to participate in and a really meaningful area to study and pursue. I really hope you get some good results from this research.
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Re: Research on MDMA/Ecstasy experiences of adults on autism spectrum [Re: Twistedd]
#16307192 - 05/30/12 07:28 PM (11 months, 12 days ago) |
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Twistedd said:
For many on the autism spectrum, linguistic self-expression ranges from difficult to nearly impossible.
Imagine being constantly separated from those around you by a one-way sound-proof wall; rendering them ignorant to the contents of your heart and mind.
For those on the spectrum who desire true communication, it is torturous.
Presence on the autism spectrum can be a gift as well a curse; sometimes both simultaneously.
mostly a curse though :/
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Re: Research on MDMA/Ecstasy experiences of adults on autism spectrum [Re: leafing] 1
#16307315 - 05/30/12 07:54 PM (11 months, 12 days ago) |
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for all the people saying they have autism
STFU
unless you have it diagnosed by a licensed professional (psychiatrist)
you're full of shit
IMO you're just a little socially awkward and are looking for a diagnosis to use as a cover, to establish a collective identity with the people who are actually autistic (why on earth on you would do that is beyond me), and whilst living in this fairy land of lying to yourselves and others you're trivializing what real autistic people go through, lucky for you they can't communicate it though, huh?
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Re: Research on MDMA/Ecstasy experiences of adults on autism spectrum [Re: leafing]
#16307550 - 05/30/12 08:42 PM (11 months, 12 days ago) |
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leafing said:
for all the people saying they have autism
STFU
unless you have it diagnosed by a licensed professional (psychiatrist)
you're full of shit
IMO you're just a little socially awkward and are looking for a diagnosis to use as a cover, to establish a collective identity with the people who are actually autistic (why on earth on you would do that is beyond me), and whilst living in this fairy land of lying to yourselves and others you're trivializing what real autistic people go through, lucky for you they can't communicate it though, huh?
You are right, I actually thought I had aspergers and even told some people I have aspergers. I have always been a total hypochondriac, but there is a certain satisfaction identifying as a mentally ill person. It feels liberating, knowing that you can get away with being totally different.
Then I met someone with Aspergers.
You're right. its a terrible excuse for being socially awkward, as am I.
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Re: Research on MDMA/Ecstasy experiences of adults on autism spectrum [Re: bananaman]
#16309085 - 05/31/12 01:12 AM (11 months, 12 days ago) |
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If you need a music therapist let me know!!
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Re: Research on MDMA/Ecstasy experiences of adults on autism spectrum [Re: leafing]
#16313984 - 05/31/12 11:40 PM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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leafing said:
for all the people saying they have autism
STFU
unless you have it diagnosed by a licensed professional (psychiatrist)
you're full of shit
IMO you're just a little socially awkward and are looking for a diagnosis to use as a cover, to establish a collective identity with the people who are actually autistic (why on earth on you would do that is beyond me), and whilst living in this fairy land of lying to yourselves and others you're trivializing what real autistic people go through, lucky for you they can't communicate it though, huh?
Yeah were all full of shit, its just a word no matter if a licensed professional diagnosed us it or not. I've had one psychiatrist tell me I had it and one tell me I probably don't but they didn't really know (the latter was a bitch that judged me for using dxm and being a drug addict but Iv'e always had these problems and I don't dex now. I try not to give a shit either way, I am what I want to be. All I know is I have a gift and I curse and need to make the best of it fuck what the doctors say
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Re: Research on MDMA/Ecstasy experiences of adults on autism spectrum [Re: tospace]
#16318946 - 06/01/12 09:39 PM (11 months, 10 days ago) |
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Wow, really interesting thread. I have temporal lobe epilepsy, which my neuropsychiatrist (note that title, he is well known) says is almost identical to severe aspergers in terms of symptoms. What I have is a neurological disorder also that affects emotions, feelings, mood, personality... everything. Including being unable to communicate, not having any understanding of social cues. That last one right there is a big one for aspergers in the people I have met, and myself... during high school I literally did not know what an insult was, why people were saying these things to me, it made no sense. That is what the social disconnection is like. I was 16 when I finally understood the concept of sarcasm.
Its funny cos this thread says MDMA... for me it was the mushrooms that taught me how to understand social cues etc. I was watching a movie on my first trip and I could see all the subtle hand gestures, facial expressions, tone of voice, it all came to me at once - before the trip I did not understand these concepts - and how they related to socialising with other people. It is no surprise I also have every anxiety disorder under the sun - which mushies have also helped tone down.
And to those trying to write off those with the disorder...
Why?
Are you that sad you have to participate in a thread that has NOTHING to do with you? Just to tell people they are stupid and don't have a disorder that can make just BEING an absolute nightmare? That is pretty sad, might want to consult someone yourselves...
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Re: Research on MDMA/Ecstasy experiences of adults on autism spectrum [Re: tospace]
#16319469 - 06/01/12 11:15 PM (11 months, 10 days ago) |
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leafing said:
for all the people saying they have autism
STFU
unless you have it diagnosed by a licensed professional (psychiatrist)
you're full of shit
IMO you're just a little socially awkward and are looking for a diagnosis to use as a cover, to establish a collective identity with the people who are actually autistic (why on earth on you would do that is beyond me), and whilst living in this fairy land of lying to yourselves and others you're trivializing what real autistic people go through, lucky for you they can't communicate it though, huh?
May I ask, what gave you the urge to make that post? Did you feel left out, did you want to insult people who are more prone to suffering from such things?
You are obviously extremely ignorant to the state of mental health systems, in my state in particular. But worldwide mental health is stigmatised and has this aura around it that scares people off, and this is because of turds like you making judgement calls like you have. Yeah, some people probably should have a proper diagnosis from a professional to say they have aspergers. But this is a DISCUSSION FORUM. The topic is ASPERGERS. Deal with it.
Your comment was completely uncalled for and frankly, pretty disgusting. All it does is add to the existing stigma and eroding work that people like myself try to do, which is advocating for mentally unwell people and trying to change general opinion about it.
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Re: Research on MDMA/Ecstasy experiences of adults on autism spectrum [Re: tospace]
#16319506 - 06/01/12 11:25 PM (11 months, 10 days ago) |
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I've had one psychiatrist tell me I had it and one tell me I probably don't but they didn't really know (the latter was a bitch that judged me for using dxm and being a drug addict
I know that feeling... I was seeing the one guy for almost four years, ended up with a Borderline Personality Disorder daignosis aka I don't know what the fuck is wrong with you, you're now my medication guinea pig. And of course if I suggest I may be bipolar, well of course to the doctor that means I'm not. Because they are boss, and are never wrong.
A friend caught wind of how miserable I was, stuck in addiction, hating my shrink, he took me to his doctor and BAM! Diagnosed with bipolar and temporal lobe epilepsy, this rare disorder, right off that bat! Confirmed the next week by an EEG of my FUCKED brain. Really made me realise how shitty my old psych was!!
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