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 Re: First time with BRF cakes.. questions  [Re: FungalSun]
#16587839 - 07/25/12 08:01 PM (9 months, 18 days ago) |
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Keep working on your sterile technique and definitely buy a PC asap.
I recently bought an AA930, but I've used a little presto for years and it has been an amazing little droid lemme tell you what.
It's the $70 one that holds 7 quarts... I recommend
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Re: First time with BRF cakes.. questions [Re: FungalSun]
#16587849 - 07/25/12 08:02 PM (9 months, 18 days ago) |
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Yep.. I built my own glovebox.. works like a charm. I'll probably pick up a small presto PC for smaller stuff and I'm saving for a used 20+ qt AA pressure cooker. That's next on the list of stuff to get.
How are your cakes doin?
I got a second flush of one cake this morning and saw that most of my cakes are pinning now.
I redunked the ones that were in there for a while and getting light. Thanks for that tip.
Everything went great! My first batch was a bust, as I figured... I think one cake fruited some puny little guys, then I tossed it after the first flush...
The second batch did killer, After the first flush I got about 42 grams dry from 5 or 6 cakes. I'll have to upload some pics... I only took a few.
Some of the cakes are on their second flush. Honestly the first flush was pretty big so I don't anticipate too much with the next.
Last, I birthed about 6 cakes a few days ago, a couple of which are pinning.
Ya man, I want to buy a new PC as well, I'm just hoping I can use the one that I have for a while, then maybe re sell it... I can't decide if I'm going to sell the smaller one or keep it for sterilizing smaller stuff like LCs and needles and stuff.
So how many cakes do you have pinning now?
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Re: First time with BRF cakes.. questions [Re: fractaloceans]
#16591291 - 07/26/12 10:56 AM (9 months, 17 days ago) |
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That's an awesome first flush man! Congrats.
I would keep the smaller PC.. like you said, for the random lc or syringes when you don't have a lot of jars to do at the same time.
Right now I have 7 cakes in fruiting. 1 is in quarantine and the rest are pinning. Then I have 3 cakes dunked and going in tonight. They took forever to fully colonize, but one has two 1" pins in vitro.
Still waiting on an MDK sporeprint I won in a giveaway to do a big batch of 30 jars. When that's nearing completion I'll decide if I want to do more PF jars or a monotub or both  .
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Re: First time with BRF cakes.. questions [Re: FungalSun]
#16591644 - 07/26/12 12:21 PM (9 months, 17 days ago) |
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That's an awesome first flush man! Congrats.
I would keep the smaller PC.. like you said, for the random lc or syringes when you don't have a lot of jars to do at the same time.
Right now I have 7 cakes in fruiting. 1 is in quarantine and the rest are pinning. Then I have 3 cakes dunked and going in tonight. They took forever to fully colonize, but one has two 1" pins in vitro.
Still waiting on an MDK sporeprint I won in a giveaway to do a big batch of 30 jars. When that's nearing completion I'll decide if I want to do more PF jars or a monotub or both .
Thanks, I was super surprised. It seems like everyday I was pulling up handfuls and they just kept going. I think I may have ran my cakes a little dry. I stacked a few for the second flush, I needed the room and figured it would help them yield a larger flush that way. The only bummer was thy weren't as powerful as I thought they would be. Glad they weren't bunk, but I'll probably have to double the dosage next time to get to a level 4 or 5.
That small PC needs a new gasket, so I'm sure I'll end up keeping it around after I get one.
Damn dude, that's a lot of jars! I think I'm ready for the monotub next go around as well. I'm probably gonna start it this weekend. Pretty exciting. Im also considering azures for an outdoor bed this fall, but I hear they are super difficult to get to fruit so who knows....
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Re: First time with BRF cakes.. questions [Re: fractaloceans]
#16591806 - 07/26/12 12:59 PM (9 months, 17 days ago) |
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Potency is a weird variable.. it's seems so.. well.. variable.
For example one time I ate 2.5g from a batch and it didn't do a whole lot. A few days later I ate 2.75g of the same and WOW. So there's something in the equation there that isn't all-inclusive of the fruits themselves. Set, setting, body chemistry? I don't know.
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Quote:
a social revolt said:
Keep working on your sterile technique and definitely buy a PC asap.
I recently bought an AA930, but I've used a little presto for years and it has been an amazing little droid lemme tell you what.
It's the $70 one that holds 7 quarts... I recommend
How many quart jars fit in the AA930?
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Re: First time with BRF cakes.. questions [Re: FungalSun]
#16596405 - 07/27/12 12:17 AM (9 months, 17 days ago) |
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Potency is a weird variable.. it's seems so.. well.. variable.
For example one time I ate 2.5g from a batch and it didn't do a whole lot. A few days later I ate 2.75g of the same and WOW. So there's something in the equation there that isn't all-inclusive of the fruits themselves. Set, setting, body chemistry? I don't know.
Ya for sure. I hear it gets a lot more predictable with clones. I've got 12 petri dishes ready for some agar I'm gonna try soon here. Regardless, after that last flush I still have quite a few left. I think I'm gonna go for 5-6g next time. Last was 3.5g and somewhere between a lvl 2-3. I was also facilitating a friends trip, who had a bad experience his last time, so I wanted to make sure he had a good one this time. It seemed like when I focused on him, my sobriety went up, but then when I spaced out... fractal city. Everything was breathing. Everything was extremely funny. I could see how fast different things were vibrating. All in all, pretty fucking cool. My friend had a killer trip too. It changed his mind about mushrooms and psychedelics in general.
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Re: First time with BRF cakes.. questions [Re: fractaloceans]
#16598475 - 07/27/12 11:00 AM (9 months, 16 days ago) |
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That's awesome.. I love it when minds are opened. That must be why we all do this eh?
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Re: First time with BRF cakes.. questions [Re: FungalSun]
#16598780 - 07/27/12 12:11 PM (9 months, 16 days ago) |
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FungalSun said:
Potency is a weird variable.. it's seems so.. well.. variable.
For example one time I ate 2.5g from a batch and it didn't do a whole lot. A few days later I ate 2.75g of the same and WOW. So there's something in the equation there that isn't all-inclusive of the fruits themselves. Set, setting, body chemistry? I don't know.
I used to have the same issue, MS always does that anyways and certain cube varieties vary more than others from what I've heard.
I've had a PE clone going for some months, and the potency is ALWAYS the same... I honestly never eat more than 2 gs and I can compare that dose to 3-4g+ of other cube varieties iv tried (out of 12 or 13 or so).
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a social revolt said:
Keep working on your sterile technique and definitely buy a PC asap.
I recently bought an AA930, but I've used a little presto for years and it has been an amazing little droid lemme tell you what.
It's the $70 one that holds 7 quarts... I recommend
How many quart jars fit in the AA930?
14
So when I do a spawn run with MS syringes, I'll PC 20 quarts (using both PCs) and 1 pint (for the GLC)... that way I get a huge MS grow with 2 or 3 beautiful clones that I'll throw on agar, and then I'll have a 60cc syringe of MS GLC as a backup or "start over" MS syringe.
Once I have my flowhood up and running though, I'll honestly never use MS syringes or GLC syringes again for the most part
Good luck on your next grow I'm looking forward to seeing your progress
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Hell yes.. I can't wait to work with monocultures and grow a strain that is a bonafide astrocannon.
What's the benefit of having a backup syringe?
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Re: First time with BRF cakes.. questions [Re: FungalSun]
#16599890 - 07/27/12 03:30 PM (9 months, 16 days ago) |
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Hell yes.. I can't wait to work with monocultures and grow a strain that is a bonafide astrocannon.
What's the benefit of having a backup syringe?
I basically use a few spore syringes the first go around, then have a 60cc GLC for the next time. so I can do two large MS grows instead of 1... and the 60cc GLC is 1st gen from the spores, so I know they will grow fast and healthy.
So after about a month of colonizing, I PC another 21 jars, and start the whole process over BUT use GLC instead.
So, in theory, you can do that over and over again for months until the 3rd or 4th GLC gets too weak. I only do this once usually, but I've tried turning MS->GLC->GLC2->GLC3, then I ran into bacteria issues and stalling jars the 3rd time... combination of senescence and weak myc I suppose. Contam took over easily at that point, at least that's my guess.
And I've never transferred to get a monoculture... I'm too nervous to with my current setup. But once that flow is flowin... it's game over
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So here's what I got going on...
A few of these have a flush or two under their belts, a few on their first.
I'm wondering if I should harvest as soon as I see black spore deposits, or wait til the caps spread a bit more?
       
These shrooms grew in vitro..
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Re: First time with BRF cakes.. questions [Re: FungalSun]
#16615521 - 07/30/12 11:09 AM (9 months, 13 days ago) |
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Don't wait till they deposit, grab them just before they do, after the veil has torn. Like in your third pic.
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Re: First time with BRF cakes.. questions [Re: Revolutiontcm]
#16615548 - 07/30/12 11:17 AM (9 months, 13 days ago) |
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Revolutiontcm said:
Don't wait till they deposit, grab them just before they do, after the veil has torn. Like in your third pic.
Duly noted. Thanks.
On a completely separate note..
I attempted to clone a tissue sample to an LME LC lastnight and I had a difficult time getting a piece of tissue into the needle of the syringe. The first try, the needle just stabbed through the stipe and didn't take anything.. I had to do it a few times to get something in there. Any tips from anyone?
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Re: First time with BRF cakes.. questions [Re: FungalSun]
#16615564 - 07/30/12 11:24 AM (9 months, 13 days ago) |
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The one time I've successfully done it, I used a scalpel to cut the stem open, inside was a sort of fluff, I scraped off a layer of that and lobbed it into my LC (all inside a SAB of course)
I think it's virtually growing mushrooms in the LC in my fridge about now...
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Re: First time with BRF cakes.. questions [Re: GoldenArrow]
#16615788 - 07/30/12 12:23 PM (9 months, 13 days ago) |
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looks killer! Did you change anything up or do anything differently?
Also, I saw some of your cakes look a little golden brown on the sides, any idea what causes that? I had the same thing happen to a couple cakes, I assumed it meant they were pretty much spent.
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Re: First time with BRF cakes.. questions [Re: fractaloceans]
#16616149 - 07/30/12 01:47 PM (9 months, 13 days ago) |
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The one time I've successfully done it, I used a scalpel to cut the stem open, inside was a sort of fluff, I scraped off a layer of that and lobbed it into my LC (all inside a SAB of course)
I think it's virtually growing mushrooms in the LC in my fridge about now...
I'm weary to open the LC lid after it's been sterilized.. I had contams the one time I did that. Have you tried taking a tissue sample with a syringe?
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looks killer! Did you change anything up or do anything differently?
Also, I saw some of your cakes look a little golden brown on the sides, any idea what causes that? I had the same thing happen to a couple cakes, I assumed it meant they were pretty much spent.
I think that's just what myc metabolites look like once a cake has aged a bit.. not positive on that, but those areas were wet with metabolites when birthing so I'm pretty sure that's it.
After the majority of my cakes didn't pin for awhile I took your tip that if they were light they were most likely dry.. so I dunked em all for about 18 hours and they started pinning!
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Re: First time with BRF cakes.. questions [Re: FungalSun]
#16616897 - 07/30/12 04:44 PM (9 months, 13 days ago) |
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FungalSun said:
I'm weary to open the LC lid after it's been sterilized.. I had contams the one time I did that. Have you tried taking a tissue sample with a syringe?
Yes, but like you nothing happened 
Opening the jar for 2 seconds in a SAB seems ok, I've done G2G and it was also fine.
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Re: First time with BRF cakes.. questions [Re: GoldenArrow]
#16617091 - 07/30/12 05:14 PM (9 months, 13 days ago) |
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If I can't get a reliable method down with syringes I spose that's my best bet.
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Re: First time with BRF cakes.. questions [Re: FungalSun]
#16617257 - 07/30/12 05:40 PM (9 months, 13 days ago) |
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After the majority of my cakes didn't pin for awhile I took your tip that if they were light they were most likely dry.. so I dunked em all for about 18 hours and they started pinning!
Sweet! Go team! Lol. Glad that worked out. I actually started misting more and have been getting pretty good pin sets. I think my fan mist ratio was off a little. I came home and had some monsters waiting for me. Not like bulk mono tub monsters, but still....
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