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xFrockx said:
There is nothing inherently terrible about Autism.

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Christian Bale said:
Louis Theroux did a good documentary on autistic children a few weeks ago, I don't know how familiar you Americans are with him though.

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xFrockx said:
There is nothing inherently terrible about Autism.

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You must have never met someone with autism.  It fucking sucks man.

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xFrockx said:
In what way does it suck for the families? For all families? We're reaching a point of generalization that I think it's pretty obvious that we're no longer looking at the real world here.

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xFrockx said:
In what way does it suck for the families? For all families? We're reaching a point of generalization that I think it's pretty obvious that we're no longer looking at the real world here.

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NWlight said:
Your informed consent thing is BS. I read and re-read all the info like 5 times.

you have to be at least 21, the study is for your dissertation, and the test is trying to learn more about the MDMA experience in autistic adults.


What is the problem here.....

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Dan4th said:
I am not seeking a cure or treatment for autism.

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it's not like an Aspie Army is working on a cure or treatment for "normies"...

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ghost603 said:
i was on utube earlier and this kid had autism and he was a genius and remembered every single math problem he ever read it was crazy i gues he gets paid mad doe to

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• Have no history of major (psychotic) disorder.

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This item is a little confusing, why the parentheses, and shouldn't it be "[a] major psychotic disorder"? Small details are serious business to the autistic.

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• Have no history of major (psychotic) disorder.

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This item is a little confusing, why the parentheses, and shouldn't it be "[a] major psychotic disorder"? Small details are serious business to the autistic.

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xFrockx said:
There is nothing inherently terrible about Autism.

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You must have never met someone with autism.  It fucking sucks man.

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MisterMuscaria said:
I have mild aspergers and I dont see it in the least bit as a hindrance or a problem. It's society that views it that way. I dont think it's something that needs to be "cured". MDMA, however, has allowed me to experience empathy in a way that I always felt normal people seemed to. I guess in a way Ive always felt like an outsider looking in when I see other people experience true empathy as opposed to my systemized version. It tends to put people off when you look into their eyes for too long or dont look at them at all.

I guess the worst part (socially) is that feeling that you know you are fucking up(socially, in terms of offending, alienating or hurting others) but dont know how you are fucking up or how to stop fucking up. With mdma I can see all of that, and read faces. Normally I cannot read faces and the only way I can gauge someone's mood is if they say "Im mad" or "im sad" or "im having a blast" and then I utilize my leaned response to someone being in that mood...whether it be leaving them alone, giving them a hug or smiling.

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Hygrocybe said:
OP might have more luck at wrongplanet.net.

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Twistedd said:
For many on the autism spectrum, linguistic self-expression ranges from difficult to nearly impossible.
Imagine being constantly separated from those around you by a one-way sound-proof wall; rendering them ignorant to the contents of your heart and mind.

For those on the spectrum who desire true communication, it is torturous.

Presence on the autism spectrum can be a gift as well a curse; sometimes both simultaneously.

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leafing said:
for all the people saying they have autism


STFU

unless you have it diagnosed by a licensed professional (psychiatrist)

you're full of shit



IMO you're just a little socially awkward and are looking for a diagnosis to use as a cover, to establish a collective identity with the people who are actually autistic (why on earth on you would do that is beyond me), and whilst living in this fairy land of lying to yourselves and others you're trivializing what real autistic people go through, lucky for you they can't communicate it though, huh?

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leafing said:
for all the people saying they have autism


STFU

unless you have it diagnosed by a licensed professional (psychiatrist)

you're full of shit



IMO you're just a little socially awkward and are looking for a diagnosis to use as a cover, to establish a collective identity with the people who are actually autistic (why on earth on you would do that is beyond me), and whilst living in this fairy land of lying to yourselves and others you're trivializing what real autistic people go through, lucky for you they can't communicate it though, huh?

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leafing said:
for all the people saying they have autism

STFU

unless you have it diagnosed by a licensed professional (psychiatrist)

you're full of shit

IMO you're just a little socially awkward and are looking for a diagnosis to use as a cover, to establish a collective identity with the people who are actually autistic (why on earth on you would do that is beyond me), and whilst living in this fairy land of lying to yourselves and others you're trivializing what real autistic people go through, lucky for you they can't communicate it though, huh?

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I've had one psychiatrist tell me I had it and one tell me I probably don't but they didn't really know (the latter was a bitch that judged me for using dxm and being a drug addict

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In what way does it suck for the families? For all families? We're reaching a point of generalization that I think it's pretty obvious that we're no longer looking at the real world here.

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for me it was the mushrooms that taught me how to understand social cues etc. I was watching a movie on my first trip and I could see all the subtle hand gestures, facial expressions, tone of voice, it all came to me at once - before the trip I did not understand these concepts - and how they related to socialising with other people.

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Is that so?

If you had heard more than the negative stories about autism, you might listen to something that slightly differs from your beliefs.

Plenty of families with autistic children get along just fine.

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for me it was the mushrooms that taught me how to understand social cues etc. I was watching a movie on my first trip and I could see all the subtle hand gestures, facial expressions, tone of voice, it all came to me at once - before the trip I did not understand these concepts - and how they related to socialising with other people.

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Yeah, pretty much a spot on observation

It was a long time ago now, but I was bullied relentlessly for about five years straight at primary school, into high school, and I was just mute. They'd say the most awful things and I'd just say nothing. So it never stopped. 'Cos I had no idea why they were doing what they were doing, I didn't know what sarcasm, hand gestures like you mentioned, or INSULTS were, why anyone would say something bad about someone else, I had (and still have) no judgement AT ALL when meeting people. I have nothing I really understand to base an assumption on - and I think this is a good thing because judgmental people are just pricks. I think it was year 10 (15-16 years old) when I flipped and started to learn from other people and began to somewhat 'get' socialising. It unfortunately went a full 180 degrees and I went apeshit at the people who were giving me shit. Needless to say, they stopped at that point!

As someone else said here, having to 'pretend to socialise', using social actions/talk that you have watched and observed and therefore learned. But its fucking HARD. And you DO feel like a fucking retard when you have stared at the floor for an entire conversation, or in an attempt to make eye contact, they think you are staring at them the whole time. Because you probably were but didn't realise it because socialising is like interacting with aliens. Or you talk way too much, or not at all. Or you are wearing whacked out looking, crazy person clothes but they look normal to you.

I have NO IDEA if a chick is into me and she'd have to flirt with me border-lining on being slut-like for me to realise anything. Its that distorted. Autism and aspergers is very similar to TLE and I'm sure people with aspergers can identify with this post.

Its fucked, and that is why I emphasized the word SPECTRUM when it comes to autism for those who don't seem to understand basic logic.

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leafing said:
for all the people saying they have autism

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WorldWideWInton said:
I had self diagnosed with aspies, posted about it in the phys/ment forum and got a ton of shit for it.  Had to do a bit of court ordered counciling, had them run some diagnostic tests and now I am "officially" autistic... Was I not autistic until the shrink admin'd the test? 

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xFrockx said:
Are you reading my posts?

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Hahahaha, the bold was to emphasize the word emphasize, bahahaha, and also to try and highlight of the basic logic of what a spectrum is. There are variations, from the top to the bottom. So of course there will be some families unaffected. Jesus is this concept that hard to grasp mate? If you actually do work with autistic kids and their families, which I don't believe you do, then I'd feel horribly sorry for them and their families if the person who is supposedly there to help them is an ignorant dickhead.

And you ask me if I read your posts? I'm pretty sure this is the replying section... maybe I'm wrong.
I ask you that question and you ask it to me?
When I am not the only one thinking you are full of shit with what you have said in this thread?
When you haven't replied to any statements I have made?
I know why, you know you are wrong and said some reeally stupid shit and you now want to save face.

roflcoptersaurus rex this is some funny shit. Unintentional humour = the best. Keep it comin guys, I'm loving it down under here

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xFrockx said:
So you can tell me with a straight face that no family with autism has a positive experience raising their kid? And no, the communication difficulties that sometimes arise from autism are not insurmountable or "create a dysfunctinal relationship automaticaly (sic)"

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Autism spectrum. Spectrum. Spectrum. None of this is in bold mate, can you follow it?:

noun - a broad range of varied but related ideas or objects, the individual features of which tend to overlap so as to form a continuous series or sequence: the spectrum of political beliefs.

Do you get it yet? A spectrum means that there will be people at the top, bottom, and everywhere in between. So of course there are families who have had positive experiences you twit! Some people can recover and live rich and full lives. But this doesn't mean their inability to communicate before their recovery didn't affect their family in any way. Mental illness, of any nature, affects the family. That is the nature of the beast, and this is why families educate themselves so they can help their offspring. Sounds really easy and non-life interfering doesn't it?

Why don't you just admit you are wrong? You're a judgmental person who posts in a thread about mental health issues when you CLEARLY have no idea on the subject. You just want to troll, and try to offend people who may be more susceptible to bullying, even if it is online.

This is pretty pathetic with quite disturbing views towards this area of mental health. Nobody wants to listen to your horse-shit dude. You are simply adding to the stigma that surrounds this sort of topic, which is sickening and also sad. For you. You should probably see your shrink more often.

'Positive outlook'. Bahahahahahaha! Can you spell backwards? It has nothing to do with perspective, it is the REALITY OF THE SITUATION.
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Stopwhispering said:
This is a thread about scientific research, your assumptions and your opinions mean nothing here. Knowledge is the only thing req. as the title suggests, and what has been proven is that it is called a spectrum for a reason.  Looking at any form of "mental illness" in black and whites will never give a true overview of what a specific thing means in regards to each person involved.

Assuming that you know where people self diagnosed as having aspergers or high functioning autism are coming from is arrogant at best.

If you want to talk in opinions I have one too, we are each slightly geared towards one direction or another and what is considered "normal" only exists within society's narrow view, of "normal" some people are less emotional and need things to be ordered and make sense, some folks prefer chaos, some people maintain serveral points of view about any one subject, and some people are hypochondriacs and try to diagnose themselves with whatever fits their situation best at any given time. 

I am not a hypochondriac, I am not socially awkward, I draw no benifit from labelling myself as having mild aspergers, and it is not something that will make one iota of difference to how I choose to live my life. It is something that I have self diagnosed only recently and will seek formal testing to clarify where I personally sit in regards to the scale of things. For me it is a matter of curiosity no more, no less. For others it is a big deal to discover something like that and it most certainly shouldn't be undermined or mocked or as what seems to be happening in this thread attacked, with no prior consideration.

To assume to know someone elses mind means you know very little about your own. This is not a direct response to any one post in this thread, merely a reaction to the tone this thread seems to have taken.

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Wrong about what? Quote one thing I said that you disagree with. I think you're straw manning me. I've not said anything general about autism, only that not all experiences are negative, pretty much the

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Is that so?

If you had heard more than the negative stories about autism, you might listen to something that slightly differs from your beliefs.

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xFrockx said:You're talking to someone who has been working with people who have been diagnosed with autism and other brain disorders for the past two and a half years. "Fucking sucks" is in the eye of the beholder. Anyone can live a happy life regardless of their brain development. Cheapening someone else's life because they aren't normal in your eyes is disparaging. Social standards of success are no measure of worth.

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In what way does it suck for the families? For all families? We're reaching a point of generalization that I think it's pretty obvious that we're no longer looking at the real world here.

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xFrockx said:
There is nothing inherently terrible about Autism.

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xFrockx said:
Raising a kid with autism is not fundamentally more trying or difficult than raising any other child. It forces a change in perspective sometimes.

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xFrockx said:And lastly to all those claiming autism is some fucking scourge I would ask you listen to your fucking selves and not speak like that because of what it does to the perception of autistic people and children. We don't need bleeding hearts piling on negativity, it doesn't help anything. We can and still are learning about autism. So unless you have a more proactive discussion in mind, I'm done. I don't have the luxury of looking at autism from a distance and being able to sling judgements whichever way I want without consequence. You can all keep your perceptions of autism, I experience it nearly every day, and I have families of those I support thanking me and telling me I do a great job on a regular basis. I don't need your bullshit discouraging me from doing work I enjoy doing.

So to anyone telling me I must be a bad person because of my positive outlook, fuck you, fuck you in the ass.

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Christian Bale said:
Louis Theroux did a good documentary on autistic children a few weeks ago, I don't know how familiar you Americans are with him though.

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durian_2008 said:
Informally speaking, I am of the understanding that A(utism) S(pectrum) people compartmentalize sensory overload, so are more prone to dissociate.

How does getting dosed with MDMA help someone to cope with more than they can already handle.

Is this meant to result in catharsis, and can that be psychologically damaging.

Is this new, mental state comparable to a split personality.

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xFrockx said:
So I'm ignorant and you know what you're talking about? That seems to be pretty much what you are saying.

Well I will admit that I am ignorant, but I do not know about any of the many things you seem to claim to know.

You seem to make the error of considering subjectivity as fact, making claims about how living with, caring for, or having autism produces a fundamentally "worse" experience. This, I think, is where you are mistaken. Our experiences are what we make them. There are challenges with raising any child, and how people react to those challenges differs widely. There are parents out there who have children without autism that have "terrible" parenting experiences. There are also parents out there who have children with autism that have "wonderful" parenting experiences. I think you're committing an error in thinking that there is a certain way that it is.

Isn't the goal to get to the point where anyone who has a child with autism can parent them without undue strain?

So instead of attacking me personally how about we talk about why it is that this perception exists, how people cope with it, or what mistakes have been made in the past.

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