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the challenge is not a personal one to swami/orgone (who has crossed the line so many times he uses several names and identities)

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redgreenvines said:
Allow me to repeat what is in the title.

"Aspects of Synchronicity enabled Telepathy Might be Testable"

this should be apprised as a new wrinkle in approaching both 'mysteries'
and what is what is meant by mentioning it, is that to leverage one supposed effect (telepathy), we can instantiate a test that engenders the condition (synchronicity).

But, noooo..., people see a few words and go off into associative cascades of habitual behavior, and rather than consider what is being described, and questioning why it is mentioned, they react to phantasms in their memory.

the challenge is not a personal one to swami/orgone (who has crossed the line so many times he uses several names and identities) but it is to anyone and everyone to keep the mind open, for combinations that create effects, rather than assuming that the test is for an effect only.

If you have read the book FlatLand, which describes a 3rd dimensional being visiting a 2 dimensional universe, you can see that the appearance gets interpreted wrongly many times, because of an inability to think beyond a fixed framework.

fixed frameworks can be valuable for repetitive tasks. indispensible.
to understand things that are difficult you need to open the framework up.

yes we do need devil's advocation (even in the absence of a devil) but I think we are at the limit of his 52 card deck on this issue.

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the tests and the perceptions about this to date are mostly repetitively in error since they presume transfer from point to point at will, so naturally proofs and denials are based upon isolation of subjects and delegation of tasks - which subjects are supposed to will as a mental transfer.

(there are obvious problems in that even without the layer I mean to introduce - since the presumed will is not the same as presumed cooperation in a test subject - and - typically the instances that are reported anecdotally do not involve will or cooperation or intentional communication.)

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DieCommie said:
^^ Hubris

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the tests and the perceptions about this to date are mostly repetitively in error since they presume transfer from point to point at will, so naturally proofs and denials are based upon isolation of subjects and delegation of tasks - which subjects are supposed to will as a mental transfer.

(there are obvious problems in that even without the layer I mean to introduce - since the presumed will is not the same as presumed cooperation in a test subject - and - typically the instances that are reported anecdotally do not involve will or cooperation or intentional communication.)

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Excellent post. It's awesome that with tens of thousands of datas that have proven false this stupidass ESP shit, people around the world still experience it daily. God they're so freaking dumb to believe what they've seen their minds do.

Here are two more:

Driving, I approach a railroad crossing at which the lights are blinking, bells are sounding, bars are lowering, and the conductor of the approaching train is sounding his whistle. I pull to a stop and begin to judge how fast the train is approaching. I decide to go around the bars after 1-2 seconds of contemplation, noting that I'd never crossed the tracks with a train so close or moving so quickly. I feel a rush of adrenaline for taking a risk (I chase that feeling). The next day I go home to see my parents, and in casual conversation my mother looks me in the eyes and (paraphrasing) says, "be careful with trains. Don't cross the tracks when you see one coming."

This was at age 22. So in 22 years of raising me, the sole time my mother advises me against crossing railroad tracks when a train is in sight happens the day after I do it. "science faggot. It was a coincidence."

Shortly after my becoming sexually active, a young woman I'm dating accuses me of passing to her an sti. I doubt her, but i respectfully listen with the mindset that "I could be wrong." The week before she does this, my entire upper body begins to develop purple blemishes on the skin that spread through the sweat I release in the sunshine at work. When she accuses me of transmitting to her chlamydia, I question the validity of her accusation and I seek a conclusion through blood and urine tests and am told to wait in agonizing anticipation for the results, which will take two weeks. I am ashamed of my possible predicament, wondering if my postponed decision to engage in premarital sex has stricken me with an unsightly physical ailment reminiscent of leprosy. My mood crashes, my mind barrages me with regret, but my brain keeps reminding me that the chance that i've contracted and spread chlamydia is small despite the young woman's insistence. I decide to inform no one else of the possible sti or suspicion that my blemishes are anything more than skin-related.My mother calls me in the meantime and I inform her of the blemishes and their appearance, how they've visibly spread through the streams of my sweat, and where the first blemish appeared and to where it's spread. She offers sympathy and Treatment after asking "it doesn't have anything to do with the problem in your pants, does it?" I'm dumbfounded, and don't even try to discount that there may be a problem in my pants. I can only say no. Not a soul besides the young woman has been told of "the problem." my mother just coincidentally assumed.

For the record, I had not contracted chlamydia or spread it to that girl. Thank god she did not spread it to me.

What is it with you people and your refusal to include the human experience in understanding this world? What fucking sense does that make? Disclude emotion-it holds us back? How so? Love transcends instinct. You've been duped! You've been robbed of your own sense of pride and honor in your right to judge this experience. What you see IS real, and likewise what you hear, taste, feel, and smell. How can you let this hierarchy of science and academia tellyou otherwise and indoctrinate our peers to the point where they will actually berate us, label us, and tell us that we're wrong because they didn't have the same experiences?




Imbeciles. Fucking idiots. Fuck. You're frustratingly blind.

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Imbeciles. Fucking idiots. Fuck. You're frustratingly blind.

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I can feel the love, compassion and openess.



Mystic-head: Telepathy is real and I/we can prove it!

*test fails*

Mystic-head: You used non-psychic people.

*new & imporved test fails*

Mystic-head: No wonder it didn't work. Skeptics were present.

*skeptic-free test fails*

Mystic-head: Who cares that we cannot perform like trained rats under a microscope in a laboratory. It's real! It's real! It's real!

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questioneverything said:
Love transcends instinct.

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Imbeciles. Fucking idiots. Fuck. You're frustratingly blind.

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Lets say you're 23 years old and you sleep 8 hours a night. From the time you were 10 you've had about 4.5 million minutes of consciousness. It would be extremely unlikely for a few of those minutes not be weird coincidences.

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Lets say you're 23 years old and you sleep 8 hours a night. From the time you were 10 you've had about 4.5 million minutes of consciousness. It would be extremely unlikely for a few of those minutes not be weird coincidences.

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When I was a small child I frequently had fear-based dreams of one or both parents dying. With a few hundred such dreams, the odds increase substantially of being 'correct'. As both my parents are still alive, I never made a thread about my miraculous prescience.

This is the part few mystic-heads seem unable to grasp: the failures are not reported - ever. Only the hits. I thought of my high school sweetheart the other day and lo and behold: nothing. No phone call, no tweet, no IM.

Tangent: It reminds me of all of the "My pet knows when I am tripping!" threads. No matter how carefully this is explained as a mixture of projection, behaviorial changes and unusual body odor, the believers are still wowed as if it has some spiritual meaning that your dog knows when you smell funny and act like an idiot.

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RGV sez: I guess that is as specific as it gets.

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redgreenvines said:
bipersonal(ism) anyone?
ssri's can probably help if it gets you down

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