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 joemolloy
DMT is Bullshit
Registered: 04/12/09
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JonWilliamHenry018 said:
And from what I've read from your posts on a normal basis show me your excessive psychedelic use back in the day was far from responsible.
Translation: Since Joe tripped so many times, his opinion on the topic of tripping is less valid and less informed than those who have tripped fewer times. Disregard much of what he says because, in my opinion, he abused the medicine.
Whether I tripped 100 times or 1000 times, the outcome was the same. I had an overwhelming amount of awesome trips and a few bad ones. Nothing changes the fact that these drugs bring out the screwball in people and those changes may be lasting and are often negative in not-so-subtle ways. I still trip, but I guard against bullshit thinking and lingering delusion supported by my mind's desire to continue taking chemicals that feel as good as orgasms.
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An arrogant asshole who really does know it all.
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 Wallflower
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 Re: Sharing a friend's story, killed me inside..  [Re: joemolloy]
#16268349 - 05/22/12 05:10 PM (11 months, 22 days ago) |
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Edited by Wallflower (07/23/12 02:31 AM)
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the locked shroom
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Re: Sharing a friend's story, killed me inside.. [Re: joemolloy]
#16268419 - 05/22/12 05:25 PM (11 months, 22 days ago) |
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For me, I think all of these plants are supposed to be consumed, and the mind altered the way nature intends it to be. My personal belief is that these drugs are not bullshit. Just tossing that out there.
If only the plants would be more honest with us. Sometimes they show us delusions, bring about paranoid states, and spark mental illness. Other times they can just make us weird, leave lingering cognitive problems, and lasting perceptual disorders. I know that every once and a while we get a powerful thought, but since these drugs actually provide billions of thoughts to millions of users, it's a damn shame its batting average sucks so much dick. Psychedelics have about as much utility as praying to Jesus.
Hey, I have a friend who prayed to God that his wife would get pregnant and she did! The doctors said she couldn't. ITS A MIRACLE. I'm on my way to church because prayer is not bullshit and fuck those close-minded fools who say so. Praise Jesus.
I often suspect why psychedelics are nothing but pretty colors to most people is that they're not thinking people to begin with. If you compared it to the opportunity to talk to a really intelligent, interesting person, someone who is already somewhat intelligent will probably get more out of it than someone who's dumb.
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dopestone
tryptavision
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Re: Sharing a friend's story, killed me inside.. [Re: Wallflower]
#16268428 - 05/22/12 05:26 PM (11 months, 22 days ago) |
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i'm on the fence.
there's a lot of different angles with DMT.
i can't deny its power even if i want to deny the fact that it supplies that power for itself.
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in general, i'm not sure if i'm indecisive or not.
Edited by dopestone (05/22/12 05:27 PM)
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purelycontradictin
Registered: 05/06/12
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Re: Sharing a friend's story, killed me inside.. [Re: Wallflower]
#16268430 - 05/22/12 05:27 PM (11 months, 22 days ago) |
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This is taken from the link about the kid stabbing his mom on DMT
Chambers suggests if you know someone using the drug, to get help and call law enforcement right away, ”They can come and defuse the situation, especially a hallucinogen because they’re very paranoid, very nervous and agitated.”
Chambers tells News Channel 3, the DEA is boosting efforts to crack down on internet sites selling DMT and other drugs.
This is going to be a pain in the for others and raises a new bar of responsibility for all psychedelic users. Im not a leader so these aren't commands or anything, but if we all want to continue to pleasurable experience of tripping, we have to represent our community as productive, educated, and healthy as possibly
this kid high on dmt, having medical problems or not, lowered DMT's standing point on respect even lower to people unaware of its potential. The public will probably hear of many more bizarre or irresponsible cases of users, and the opinion of DMT being everything people believed about weed during reefer madness days, will be solidified. We need to keep making good examples of ourselves; When you fuck up, other people can be harmed or negatively affected, which fucks us over because noone is going to want to legalize a "killer" drug.
This gymnastics of debating legalization/prohibition, they're bad, they're good, is going nowhere, and that's what the dea wants, no progression for our community...uuuugh!
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Wallflower
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Edited by Wallflower (07/23/12 02:32 AM)
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liquidlounge
Puppet bullshit
Registered: 12/22/10
Posts: 6,323
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Re: Sharing a friend's story, killed me inside.. [Re: Sorealism]
#16268505 - 05/22/12 05:38 PM (11 months, 22 days ago) |
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Sorealism said:
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joemolloy said:
Your buddy decides to lose weight after smoking DMT? This kid stabs his mom to death on DMT. And we have websites full of screwball nonsense from DMT users. Yeah, it has tremendous utility and promise for all of us.
Jesus do you always have to shit on every positive thread? I would raise the question to you, don't you have better things to do with your life? but I think we all know the answer...
If something positive comes out of a psychedelic experience cue joemolloy to shout bullshit. WE GET IT ALREADY. You do not have to ruin every thread that does not agree with your beliefs. Another question I'd like to ask is if these drugs are meaningless bullshit that you so persistently spout then why are you here? Why do you frequent a website designed for furthering the use of the psychdelic experience? I'll say this, they sure have given your life some meaning. However insignificant that may be...
Is it sad being you? Is it sad to hear of people using psychedelic substances and learning from it, growing from it, creating beautiful art and music, and being inspired to change for the better? Yes you are absolutely right in the sense that most just use these substances to get messed up for a few hours. People will do with their experiences what they will molloy, to each his own. Accept it. Accept that each individual does not share the same beliefs as you in regards to psychedelics. Just like I accept that not everyone will use these sacred substances how I believe they are intended to be. I accept that you will not change your mind but it is fucking fustrating to see someone share a story such as this and you have to chime in with nothing new to say. Let the OP fucking share his story, Scruge.
Anyways OP, tell your friend to keep it up!
The kid behind "joemolloy" controls you and the majority in here.
You're afraid of psychedelics being nothing but a straight delusion.
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Wallflower
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Re: Sharing a friend's story, killed me inside.. [Re: liquidlounge]
#16268628 - 05/22/12 06:01 PM (11 months, 22 days ago) |
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Edited by Wallflower (07/23/12 02:32 AM)
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Psilosomniac
Vicarious
Registered: 09/14/10
Posts: 2,913
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Re: Sharing a friend's story, killed me inside.. [Re: Wallflower]
#16268715 - 05/22/12 06:19 PM (11 months, 22 days ago) |
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I think that OP's story is a perfect example of how psychedelics can be beneficial without being considered spiritual. Psychedelics can produce positive effects like this without providing "divine truth" or whatever you'd like to call it. It's hard to deny that psychedelics temporarily open a new state of mind, and I think that's what makes them beneficial. They provide a different perspective, which is by no means exclusively positive. The way I see it, it's essentially a state of temporary psychosis, and that can be useful in certain situations, as in the OP's friend's case. The realization that your habits need to change (such as overeating) isn't divine in the least. The guy took a drug, and realized this. There doesn't have to be any spiritual attribution to this. He was provided with an alternate state of mind temporarily that made him realize the decisions he was making were likely to have some catastrophic consequences down the road. You can't argue that this kind of realization isn't beneficial.
Just the other day I tripped with one of my best friends who's been dealing with a bad breakup and wondering if he made the right decision in ending things. While we spent much of the trip talking about what happened with him, and he was upset for much of it, he now feels like he has a better understanding of what went wrong in the relationship, and is considering starting fresh with his ex again. We both attribute several of the realizations he had to that trip, and I think it provided him with the perspective he needed to analyze his behavior.
Psychedelics are useful in therapeutic medicine and psychology, and not necessarily in spirituality and religion, in my opinion.
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Wallflower
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Re: Sharing a friend's story, killed me inside.. [Re: Psilosomniac]
#16268782 - 05/22/12 06:30 PM (11 months, 22 days ago) |
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Edited by Wallflower (07/23/12 02:32 AM)
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Psilosomniac
Vicarious
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Re: Sharing a friend's story, killed me inside.. [Re: Wallflower]
#16268869 - 05/22/12 07:00 PM (11 months, 22 days ago) |
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Wallflower said:
I like your explanation and agree with it.
I think perhaps too I use the term 'spiritual' incorrectly maybe.
For me there is physical, emotional, mental (cognitive) and then something else, like 'soul' or 'spirit.'
I don't think that a purely cognitive process can help someone figure out what they really desire to do with their life, or help them find some kind of inner peace. To me cognitive processes are like, for figuring out how to drive and then reading a map to find a friend's house.
And emotions are physiological responses to cognitive analysis, in my perception. If I get angry that I am about to lose my friend, something that is precious to me, my blood pressure goes up and my muscles tense up. If I am sad after having lost them, my chest feels tight, my eyes might water and I may lose quite a bit of energy.
But what made me love them in the first place, what allowed the bond to form, and the 'matter' of that bond, was spirit, or soul. What made me desire a non-phsyical, non-survival-related connection with them was a matter of my spirit (or whatever one might call it).
So from that perspective, I might look at your friends experience and consider it a spiritual experience he had.
So our difference of opinion could be nothing more than a difference in word-choice. :P
Maybe it is a matter of semantics.  But by your definition, a spiritual experience can be had without intervention of drugs; you just consider different things to be spiritual is all. I think that's reasonable. I just don't necessarily consider love a spiritual thing, which demonstrates an important difference in our ways of thinking.
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Wallflower
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Re: Sharing a friend's story, killed me inside.. [Re: Psilosomniac]
#16269664 - 05/22/12 09:27 PM (11 months, 22 days ago) |
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Edited by Wallflower (07/23/12 02:32 AM)
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Psilosomniac
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Re: Sharing a friend's story, killed me inside.. [Re: Wallflower]
#16269855 - 05/22/12 10:01 PM (11 months, 22 days ago) |
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Wallflower said:
I think western civilization has suffered a lot of conditioning to associate the spirit with religion, too, so your view is the norm; I'm the oddball, hehe.
And yes, I do believe spirituality is often experienced without any substance at all. However, I also believe (well, it is my own experience, at least) that delving deeply into the spiritual aspect of oneself is difficult (there is sooooooo much sociological conditioning against it, too). And that some substances can to help most humans do just that.
Good point. Spirituality and religion are definitely married in western culture.
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But I think in the end all that really matters is that we both benefit, so cheers! 
Indeed! 
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 k00laid
NEMO
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Re: Sharing a friend's story, killed me inside.. [Re: Wallflower]
#16269990 - 05/22/12 10:28 PM (11 months, 22 days ago) |
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Wallflower said:
would you be willing to link me some medical-scientific evidence that psychoactives make people 'retarded'
im quoting sasha shulgin here
"sometimes you end up bending something that can't be unbent, and it has happened before"
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purelycontradictin
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Re: Sharing a friend's story, killed me inside.. [Re: k00laid]
#16270117 - 05/22/12 10:52 PM (11 months, 22 days ago) |
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wow that statement really gets to me.
"This is it....(reflect).....(past memories of what went wrong etc)
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SummerDaisies
Out of Retirement
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Re: Sharing a friend's story, killed me inside.. [Re: joemolloy]
#16270174 - 05/22/12 11:03 PM (11 months, 22 days ago) |
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joemolloy said:
Your buddy decides to lose weight after smoking DMT? This kid stabs his mom to death on DMT. And we have websites full of screwball nonsense from DMT users. Yeah, it has tremendous utility and promise for all of us.
joemolloy wants to be the next...
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[quote]Abuse said:
summerfaggot is one of the biggest cunts on this site.[/quote]
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JonWilliamHenry018
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Re: Sharing a friend's story, killed me inside.. [Re: SummerDaisies]
#16271949 - 05/23/12 10:11 AM (11 months, 21 days ago) |
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Joe that's not a translation in any sense of the word.. Ive read several posts by you where you fully admit you were out of control, which means you were irresponsible with the drugs.. Quit trying to make it look like you're always right, cause if that's your life it's gonna be pretty sad. I'm not pissing on your posts using metaphors and useless "translations" to what I think you meant, I decided to share a story you decided to barge in and try to correct everybody on what they believe in. Like others, I don't believe they have much spiritual or religious use, but looking at your life from a new perspective can be a wonderful thing, it changes the way to think. And that can be therapeutic to say the least.
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Cactilove
Mystic
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Ya Joe are you going to bring anything useful to the table or just continue looping about how drugs are bullshit, if you think they are bullshit don't do them, get some help. For fucks sake don't bust in on every thread claiming you know shit, to me it's apparent you don't. You have a lot more bullshit to go through Joe, alot more. Just remember to keep that shit to yourself unless you have a better point to make. Joe, just remember your attitude is less bearable than some of my most difficult trips. You are creating the bullshit sir.
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I don't nor ever will know shit, stop acting like I do!
Stop claiming I have magic powers!
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k00laid
NEMO
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Re: Sharing a friend's story, killed me inside.. [Re: Cactilove]
#16272821 - 05/23/12 02:10 PM (11 months, 21 days ago) |
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Cactilove said:
Ya Joe are you going to bring anything useful to the table or just continue looping about how drugs are ...
oh jesus.
please replace joe with OP
and ... with AMAZING AND ENLIGHTENING
and then that is the OP, and blah blah samsara
yin yang, everyone needs to open their eyes.
me too.
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joemolloy
DMT is Bullshit
Registered: 04/12/09
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Re: Sharing a friend's story, killed me inside.. [Re: k00laid]
#16273495 - 05/23/12 04:52 PM (11 months, 21 days ago) |
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Ive read several posts by you where you fully admit you were out of control, which means you were irresponsible with the drugs..
I tripped on Saturdays. Zero responsibilities, zero fears, wonderful set and setting, two years of the most beautiful trips in the world with each one outdoing the last. My ultimate conclusion is that it was changing who I was and that I was slowly becoming a screwball. I then project this outcome onto everyone else. Understand? The fucked up part is that my projections are so fucking accurate that it hurts and even a cursory glance at the psychedelic subculture confirms my beliefs.
Finally, I will reveal this Truth: The more you trip, the screwier you get.
Even St. Terence of Mckenna is smiling down at this Truth.
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An arrogant asshole who really does know it all.
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