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Not Quite Social said:
Yeah, Zappa, I know you like to play with words, but for parents who have a child born with Down's, for example, they don't want to hear or see the use of the word "retard" any more than an African American wants to hear "nigger"--at minimum, its casual use as a slur is disrespectful and hurtful, and reinforces a mean stigma, yet our friend fireworks_god uses it so.

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> there is not enough (any) physical evidence to convince me, beyond a reasonable doubt, that he is guilty of murder

I believe this is why the prosecutor bypassed the grand jury. She was out to get an indictment to appease mob rule and a grand jury would have laughed this out of the courtroom.

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Not Quite Social said:
Like I said, you're the guy who separates people into " normal" and "stigmatized" ... and who labels people "retards".  Shame on you.

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Recognizing that other people are stigmatizing people and declaring this to be the case isn't the same thing as being the person who makes the distinction ....
I have no qualms admitting that I referred to a group of people as "retards", and I even recognize that it isn't a productive behavior to engage in, nor is it fair to the people to whom I referred to in such a manner.

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Fine, you admit your fault, which was explicit.  I don't admit fault because I did not use actual words to confer labels on people; neither was it my intention.  You used the words "normal" and "stigmatized" and "retards".  Your fault is literal.  You have to read my mind to find fault with me, and you willfully misunderstood me.  You infer like a hockey helmet kid. 

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Not Quite Social said:
Zappa,

Here's a link that Jennifer recommended:

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/People-first_language

Remember, a person can not be reduced to a diagnosis or piece of adaptive equipment.

I hope this helps!

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Not Quite Social said:
Fine, you admit your fault, which was explicit.  I don't admit fault because I did not use actual words to confer labels on people; neither was it my intention.  You used the words "normal" and "stigmatized" and "retards".  Your fault is literal.  You have to read my mind to find fault with me, and you willfully misunderstood me.  You infer like a hockey helmet kid. 

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Absolute nonsense. You did explicitly make clear the way in which you view people who have psychologists. No one said you conferred labels. Simple denial isn't getting you anywhere.

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Not Quite Social said:
Anyway, my questions regarding Zimmerman's mental health were questions, not inflammatory statements they've been characterized as.

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Questions regarding his mental health.

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I know who has the mental illness here.

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Not Quite Social said:
Yes, obviously, George Zimmerman.  He was taking psych meds and had a psychologist--these are facts, not speculation, friend.

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What question regarding his mental health could you possibly have by way of a declarative statement that he obviously has a mental illness.

You've plainly stated that having a psychologist is synonymous with having a mental illness. You've also suggested by way of rhetorical question that people who have psychologists aren't normal. This is the extent to which I've criticized you on the matter and it's amazing that you continue to deny this criticism despite the fact that it's as clear as day in your own words.

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Not Quite Social said:
...and given the fact that he had been treated for psychiatric reasons (as yet undisclosed to my knowledge, despite fwg's dilligent Googke search), I wondered if Zimmernan was mentally fit to own a gun--I did not claim I knew.  Geez, you guys.

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