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This is probably one of the most terrifying conspiracies out there and has been for years... Wondered what you shroomerites thought of this happening in your country.. They definately exist, theres no question of that, but are they for something sinister or not, They all more or less have train tracks leading to them, barbed/razor wire designed to keep folks in not out, watch towers and some parts that even appear to be incinerators which give me the heeby jeebies! So what do you think? Government conspiracy to mass depopulate? Genocide of a particular ethnicity? Eugenic/racial hygiene programme? Or just run of the mill american prisons? or facilities to house people in the event of a pandemic/disaster? Or plain old american Gulags lol?
Adding this post by Johnyonthespot... as i think it adds to the speculation and is relevant to this thread... also i think it highlights the potential of FEMA as power to be reckoned with...
This is a pretty long article but it's very interesting and well worth the time.
Some people have referred to it as the "secret government" of the United States. It is not an elected body, it does not involve itself in public disclosures, and it even has a quasi-secret budget in the billions of dollars. This government organization has more power than the President of the United States or the Congress, it has the power to suspend laws, move entire populations, arrest and detain citizens without a warrant and hold them without trial, it can seize property, food supplies, transportation systems, and can suspend the Constitution. Not only is it the most powerful entity in the United States, but it was not even created under Constitutional law by the Congress. It was a product of a Presidential Executive Order. No, it is not the U.S. Military nor the Central Intelligence Agency, they are subject to Congress. The organization is called FEMA, which stands for the Federal Emergency Management Agency. Originally conceived in the Richard Nixon Administration, it was refined by President Jimmy Carter and given teeth in the Ronald Reagan and George Bush Administrations. FEMA had one original concept when it was created, to assure the survivability of the United States government in the event of a nuclear attack on this nation. It was also provided with the task of being a federal co-ordinating body during times of domestic disasters, such as earthquakes, floods and hurricanes. Its awesome powers grow under the tutelage of people like Lt. Col. Oliver North and General Richard Secord, the architects on the Iran-Contra scandal and the looting of America's savings and loan institutions. FEMA has even been given control of the State Defense Forces, a rag-tag, often considered neo-Nazi, civilian army that will substitute for the National Guard, if the Guard is called to duty overseas.
THE MOST POWERFUL ORGANIZATION IN THE UNITED STATES
Though it may be the most powerful organization in the United States, few people know it even exists. But it has crept into our private lives. Even mortgage papers contain FEMA's name in small print if the property in question is near a flood plain. FEMA was deeply involved in the Los Angeles riots and the 1989 Loma Prieta earthquake in the San Francisco Bay Area. Some of the black helicopter traffic reported throughout the United States, but mainly in the West, California, Washington, Arizona, New Mexico, Texas and Colorado, are flown by FEMA personnel. FEMA has been given responsibility for many new disasters including urban forest fires, home heating emergencies, refugee situations, urban riots, and emergency planning for nuclear and toxic incidents. In the West, it works in conjunction with the Sixth Army.
FEMA was created in a series of Executive Orders. A Presidential Executive Order, whether Constitutional or not, becomes law simply by its publication in the Federal Registry. Congress is by-passed. Executive Order Number 12148 created the Federal Emergency Management Agency that is to interface with the Department of Defense for civil defense planning and funding. An "emergency czar" was appointed. FEMA has only spent about 6 percent of its budget on national emergencies, the bulk of their funding has been used for the construction of secret underground facilities to assure continuity of government in case of a major emergency, foreign or domestic. Executive Order Number 12656 appointed the National Security Council as the principal body that should consider emergency powers. This allows the government to increase domestic intelligence and surveillance of U.S. citizens and would restrict the freedom of movement within the United States and grant the government the right to isolate large groups of civilians. The National Guard could be federalized to seal all borders and take control of U.S. air space and all ports of entry.
Here are just a few Executive Orders associated with FEMA that would suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. These Executive Orders have been on record for nearly 30 years and could be enacted by the stroke of a Presidential pen:
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10990 allows the government to take over all modes of transportation and control of highways and seaports.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10995 allows the government to seize and control the communication media.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10997 allows the government to take over all electrical power, gas, petroleum, fuels and minerals.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10998 allows the government to seize all means of transportation, including personal cars, trucks or vehicles of any kind and total control over all highways, seaports, and waterways.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 10999 allows the government to take over all food resources and farms.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11000 allows the government to mobilize civilians into work brigades under government supervision.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11001 allows the government to take over all health, education and welfare functions.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11002 designates the Postmaster General to operate a national registration of all persons.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11003 allows the government to take over all airports and aircraft, including commercial aircraft.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11004 allows the Housing and Finance Authority to relocate communities, build new housing with public funds, designate areas to be abandoned, and establish new locations for populations.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11005 allows the government to take over railroads, inland waterways and public storage facilities.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11051 specifies the responsibility of the Office of Emergency Planning and gives authorization to put all Executive Orders into effect in times of increased international tensions and economic or financial crisis.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11310 grants authority to the Department of Justice to enforce the plans set out in Executive Orders, to institute industrial support, to establish judicial and legislative liaison, to control all aliens, to operate penal and correctional institutions, and to advise and assist the President.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11049 assigns emergency preparedness function to federal departments and agencies, consolidating 21 operative Executive Orders issued over a fifteen year period.
EXECUTIVE ORDER 11921 allows the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency to develop plans to establish control over the mechanisms of production and distribution, of energy sources, wages, salaries, credit and the flow of money in U.S. financial institution in any undefined national emergency. It also provides that when a state of emergency is declared by the President, Congress cannot review the action for six months. The Federal Emergency Management Agency has broad powers in every aspect of the nation. General Frank Salzedo, chief of FEMA's Civil Security Division stated in a 1983 conference that he saw FEMA's role as a "new frontier in the protection of individual and governmental leaders from assassination, and of civil and military installations from sabotage and/or attack, as well as prevention of dissident groups from gaining access to U.S. opinion, or a global audience in times of crisis." FEMA's powers were consolidated by President Carter to incorporate:
the National Security Act of 1947, which allows for the strategic relocation of industries, services, government and other essential economic activities, and to rationalize the requirements for manpower, resources and production facilities;
the 1950 Defense Production Act, which gives the President sweeping powers over all aspects of the economy;
the Act of August 29, 1916, which authorizes the Secretary of the Army, in time of war, to take possession of any transportation system for transporting troops, material, or any other purpose related to the emergency; and
the International Emergency Economic Powers Act, which enables the President to seize the property of a foreign country or national. These powers were transferred to FEMA in a sweeping consolidation in 1979.
HURRICANE ANDREW FOCUSED ATTENTION ON FEMA
FEMA's deceptive role really did not come to light with much of the public until Hurricane Andrew smashed into the U.S. mainland. As Russell R. Dynes, director of the Disaster Research Center of the University of Delaware, wrote in The World and I, "...The eye of the political storm hovered over the Federal Emergency Management Agency. FEMA became a convenient target for criticism." Because FEMA was accused of dropping the ball in Florida, the media and Congress commenced to study this agency. What came out of the critical look was that FEMA was spending 12 times more for "black operations" than for disaster relief.
It spent $1.3 billion building secret bunkers throughout the United States in anticipation of government disruption by foreign or domestic upheaval. Yet fewer than 20 members of Congress, only members with top security clearance, know of the $1.3 billion expenditure by FEMA for non-natural disaster situations. These few Congressional leaders state that FEMA has a "black curtain" around its operations. FEMA has worked on National Security programs since 1979, and its predecessor, the Federal Emergency Preparedness Agency, has secretly spent millions of dollars before being merged into FEMA by President Carter in 1979.
FEMA has developed 300 sophisticated mobile units that are capable of sustaining themselves for a month. The vehicles are located in five areas of the United States. They have tremendous communication systems and each contains a generator that would provide power to 120 homes each, but have never been used for disaster relief.
FEMA's enormous powers can be triggered easily. In any form of domestic or foreign problem, perceived and not always actual, emergency powers can be enacted. The President of the United States now has broader powers to declare martial law, which activates FEMA's extraordinary powers. Martial law can be declared during time of increased tension overseas, economic problems within the United States, such as a depression, civil unrest, such as demonstrations or scenes like the Los Angeles riots, and in a drug crisis.
These Presidential powers have increased with successive Crime Bills, particularly the 1991 and 1993 Crime Bills, which increase the power to suspend the rights guaranteed under the Constitution and to seize property of those suspected of being drug dealers, to individuals who participate in a public protest or demonstration. Under emergency plans already in existence, the power exists to suspend the Constitution and turn over the reigns of government to FEMA and appointing military commanders to run state and local governments. FEMA then would have the right to order the detention of anyone whom there is reasonable ground to believe will engage in, or probably conspire with others to engage in acts of espionage or sabotage. The plan also authorized the establishment of concentration camps for detaining the accused, but no trial. An Executive Order signed by then President Bush in 1989 authorized the Federal Emergency Management Agency to build 43 primary camps (having a capacity of 35,000 to 45,000 prisoners each) and also authorized hundreds of secondary facilities. It is interesting to note that several of these facilities can accommodate 100,000 prisoners. These facilities have been completed and many are already manned but as yet contain no prisoners.
Three times since 1984, FEMA stood on the threshold of taking control of the nation. Once under President Reagan in 1984, and twice under President Bush in 1990 and 1992. But under those three scenarios, there was not a sufficient crisis to warrant risking martial law. Most experts on the subject of FEMA and Martial Law insisted that a crisis has to appear dangerous enough for the people of the United States before they would tolerate or accept complete government takeover. The typical crisis needed would be threat of imminent nuclear war, rioting in several U.S. cites simultaneously, a series of national disasters that affect widespread danger to the populous, massive terrorist attacks, a depression in which tens of millions are unemployed and without financial resources, or a major environmental disaster.
THREE TIMES FEMA STOOD BY READY FOR EMERGENCY
In April 1984, President Reagan signed Presidential Director Number 54 that allowed FEMA to engage in a secret national "readiness exercise" under the code name of REX 84. The exercise was to test FEMA's readiness to assume military authority in the event of a "State of Domestic National Emergency" concurrent with the launching of a direct United States military operation in Central America. The plan called for the deputation of U.S. military and National Guard units so that they could legally be used for domestic law enforcement. These units would be assigned to conduct sweeps and take into custody an estimated 400,000 undocumented Central American immigrants in the United States. The immigrants would be interned at 10 detention centers to be set up at military bases throughout the country. REX 84 was so highly guarded that special metal security doors were placed on the fifth floor of the FEMA building in Washington, D.C. Even long-standing employees of the Civil Defense of the Federal Executive Department possessing the highest possible security clearances were not being allowed through the newly installed metal security doors. Only personnel wearing a special red Christian cross or crucifix lapel pin were allowed into the premises. Lt. Col. North was responsible for drawing up the emergency plan, which U.S. Attorney General William French Smith opposed vehemently.
The plan called for the suspension of the Constitution, turning control of the government over to FEMA, appointment of military commanders to run state and local governments and the declaration of Martial Law. The Presidential Executive Orders to support such a plan were already in place. The plan also advocated the rounding up and transfer to "assembly centers or relocation camps" of a least 21 million American Negroes in the event of massive rioting or disorder, not unlike the rounding up of the Jews in Nazi Germany in the 1930s.
The second known time that FEMA stood by was in 1990 when Desert Storm was enacted. Prior to President Bush's invasion of Iraq, FEMA began to draft new legislation to increase its already formidable powers. One of the elements incorporated into the plan was to set up operations within any state or locality without the prior permission of local or state authorities. Such prior permission has always been required in the past. Much of the mechanism being set into place was in anticipation of the economic collapse of the Western World. The war with Iraq may have been conceived as a ploy to boost the bankrupt economy, but it only pushed the West into deeper recession.
The third scenario for FEMA came with the Los Angeles riots after the Rodney King brutality verdict. Had the rioting spread to other cities, FEMA would have been empowered to step in. As it was, major rioting only occurred in the Los Angeles area, thus preventing a pretext for a FEMA response. On July 5, 1987, the Miami Herald published reports on FEMA's new goals. The goal was to suspend the Constitution in the event of a national crisis, such as nuclear war, violent and widespread internal dissent, or national opposition to a U.S. military invasion abroad. Lt. Col. North was the architect. National Security Directive Number 52 issued in August 1982, pertains to the "Use of National Guard Troops to Quell Disturbances." The crux of the problem is that FEMA has the power to turn the United States into a police state in time of a real crisis or a manufactured crisis. Lt. Col. North virtually established the apparatus for dictatorship. Only the criticism of the Attorney General prevented the plans from being adopted. But intelligence reports indicate that FEMA has a folder with 22 Executive Orders for the President to sign in case of an emergency. It is believed those Executive Orders contain the framework of North's concepts, delayed by criticism but never truly abandoned.
The crisis, as the government now see it, is civil unrest. For generations, the government was concerned with nuclear war, but the violent and disruptive demonstrations that surrounded the Vietnam War era prompted President Nixon to change the direction of emergency powers from war time to times of domestic unrest. Diana Raynolds, program director of the Edward R. Murrow Center, summed up the dangers of FEMA today and the public reaction to Martial Law in a drug crisis: "It was James Madison's worst nightmare that a righteous faction would someday be strong enough to sweep away the Constitutional restraints designed by the framers to prevent the tyranny of centralized power, excessive privilege, an arbitrary governmental authority over the individual. These restraints, the balancing and checking of powers among branches and layers of government, and the civil guarantees, would be the first casualties in a drug-induced national security state with Reagan's Civil Emergency Preparedness unleashed. Nevertheless, there would be those who would welcome NSC (National Security Council) into the drug fray, believing that increasing state police powers to emergency levels is the only way left to fight American's enemy within. In the short run, a national security state would probably be a relief to those whose personal security and quality of life has been diminished by drugs or drug related crime. And, as the general public watches the progression of institutional chaos and social decay, they too may be willing to pay the ultimate price, one drug free America for 200 years of democracy."
The first targets in any FEMA emergency would be Hispanics and Blacks, the FEMA orders call for them to be rounded up and detained. Tax protesters, demonstrators against government military intervention outside U.S. borders, and people who maintain weapons in their homes are also targets. Operation Trojan Horse is a program designed to learn the identity of potential opponents to martial law. The program lures potential protesters into public forums, conducted by a "hero" of the people who advocates survival training. The list of names gathered at such meetings and rallies are computerized and then targeted in case of an emergency.
The most shining example of America to the world has been its peaceful transition of government from one administration to another. Despite crises of great magnitude, the United States has maintained its freedom and liberty. This nation now stands on the threshold of rule by non-elected people asserting non-Constitutional powers. Even Congress cannot review a Martial Law action until six months after it has been declared. For the first time in American history, the reigns of government would not be transferred from one elected element to another, but the Constitution, itself, can be suspended. The scenarios established to trigger FEMA into action are generally found in the society today, economic collapse, civil unrest, drug problems, terrorist attacks, and protests against American intervention in a foreign country. All these premises exist, it could only be a matter of time in which one of these triggers the entire emergency necessary to bring FEMA into action, and then it may be too late, because under the FEMA plan, there is no contingency by which Constitutional power is restored.
SECRET UNDERGROUND BASES
There have been documented over 60 secret underground virtual cities, built by the government, Federal Reserve Bank owners, and high ranking members of the Committee of 300. Some of these underground areas can be seen in Kansas City, Missouri and Kansas City, Kansas. In addition, there exist underground Satellite Tracking Facilities which have the ability to punch your 911 address into the computer and a satellite can within seconds bring a camera to bear on your property to the point that those monitoring can read clearly the articles of the newspaper on your doorstep. These facilities have as of Oct. 1, 1994, been turned over to the power of the United Nations.
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linda thompson, the woman narrating the second video, she's been a nut case for a few decades
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there are 923 words in the english language that do not follow the "I before E"
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let's just hope that, at worst, it's all just a big waste of money. You're not the only one that is concerned at the close similarity between these camps and concentration camps of the previous centuries
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Yeh maybe so, but it helps to be a little crazy to live in this world of ours:) question is tho, is she mad or is she documenting big creepy concentration camp(s) that have sprung up in every state, some housing guilotines in event of martial law:o
The germans had an excuse, whats our excuse? we see them, coffins in their millions, traintracks pointing right at them, NDAA and CISPA making it harder for americans to fight back! Army being trained to deal with civilian hostilities etc, I don't like where this is heading....
Thats why i need my MHRB to arrive ASAP, if this is the end, i want to get royally fucked up with DMT and Colombian P.Cubensis and peyote!
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Yeh maybe so, but it helps to be a little crazy to live in this world of ours:) question is tho, is she mad or is she documenting big creepy concentration camp(s) that have sprung up in every state, some housing guilotines in event of martial law:o
I guess you didnt watch the videos, she's not documenting anything. someone
sent her a copy of an executive order back in 1995 outlining the Rex84
plan, it's a readiness exercise for a 'what if' scenario. not an actual
event to transpire, you're being herded by liars with an anti government
agenda. these FEMA camps dont exist. maybe you should read up on linda
thompson, she called for a march on washington to drag congress out into
the street and start executing them, she's a paranoid nut burger that's
twisted shit in order to strike fear into the gullible
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Thompson_%28attorney%29
there's no fucking guillotines, it just more made up bullshit, takes too
long to go through the process of cutting people's heads off, a blade needs
to be resharpened frequently when it hits bone, it would be much more cost
and time effective to just line them up and shoot them or to poison their
water for less mess
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The germans had an excuse, whats our excuse?
what excuse did the germans have, that jews were dirty, that they werent
pure, that they were the spawn of satan?
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we see them, coffins in their millions, traintracks pointing right at them, NDAA and CISPA making it harder for americans to fight back! Army being trained to deal with civilian hostilities etc, I don't like where this is heading....
no, we dont see the coffins because there arent any FEMA coffins, there are
a bunch of grave liners, less than 80,000 that are produced by a company
called vantage products. if FEMA or any government agency were going to
start some mass execution why would they need to buy coffins at $800 each
that are capable of holding 4 average sized people when the price of body
bags are much cheaper, but why would they buy a million body bags when the
cost of a gallon of fuel would allow them to burn ten thousand bodies
trains are a means of transporting freight, guess what, a train repair
center needs train tracks, many businesses need train tracks to transport
their products this is just another of those products, the bulk of which
are transported by truck
NDAA and CISPA have nothing to do with anything, this is the big reason
conspiracy theorists are considered nut cases, because they dont inform
themselves about what's going on, they just accept the word of people that
say something and show a few pictures that look convincing, shit that
aligns with what they already want to believe
maybe you should look further than a youtube video for an education on the
subject, maybe try being 'open minded' and investigate both sides
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You make some good points, i had no idea who linda thompson was, disregarding whether she's a crackpot or not tho the facts remain, these camps exist, what legitimate use is there for these things? She only points out what she see's, not like she's making it up, but it could just be a military base or whatever.
Also, i never meant to be anti-semetic in my remarks about the germans, what i meant was, they pleaded ignorance, whereas we have internet and can see these camps, thats what i meant.
Again, you make some good points as to the disposal mechanism for humans, doesn't make sense to bury headless corpses, you would think in this day and age they would come up with something a little faster lol :o
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You make some good points, i had no idea who linda thompson was, disregarding whether she's a crackpot or not tho the facts remain, these camps exist, what legitimate use is there for these things? She only points out what she see's, not like she's making it up, but it could just be a military base or whatever.
no, there is no fact of these FEMA camps, Thompson points out what she
want's you to believe, not what she sees, once again, if you watched the
two short videos that I had posted then you'd see that the very same 'camp'
that she did her video on is not at all what she claims
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Also, i never meant to be anti-semetic in my remarks about the germans, what i meant was, they pleaded ignorance, whereas we have internet and can see these camps, thats what i meant.
the great thing is you too can plead ignorance because you've obviously not
investigated past a few youtube videos that 'document' these alleged camps,
I've been to 3 of the locations, 2 of which I walked in and looked around,
all of them can be seen from the air via google earth/maps. I've been to
the sites where the grave liners were stored, I've asked people including
those at vantage products who make them what's up and you know what, some
people are easily led, just like sheep
how many of these FEMA camps do they have in Scotland
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Again, you make some good points as to the disposal mechanism for humans, doesn't make sense to bury headless corpses, you would think in this day and age they would come up with something a little faster lol :o
no, I would think that in this day and age people would be less gullible,
I'd think they'd have enough sense not to buy the snake oil that nutters
are hawking, I would think that people would be more willing to investigate
the shit before they committed to the belief that this shit exists. I
personally have been to 3 locations where they claim the shit existed since
it was first conceived by linda thompson, 2 are alleged to be in atlanta,
one at Fort McPhereson, one at fort Gillem and the 3rd in Tennessee at
Oakridge, prior to these claims by thompson I went through training at a
3rd Ga location and at a location in Kentucky/Tennessee, these I spent
several weeks at and was all over the bases and there were no interment camps
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rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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Well obviously FEMA doesn't operate in Scotland, but if they did i'd be asking questions, I haven't noticed any unusual stuff like that here, i'm sure peeps wouldn't be long in condemning it tho. So what you are saying is.. FEMA do not operate any detention centres? These compounds/eary buildings razor wired and with turnstiles are not designed to hold people or are operated by government/military? So it's just a vivid hallucination and we should all put our blinkers on and carry on regardless?
Furthermore, it's not my job to investigate, i am only gathering opinion and trying to gauge peoples perception of this phenomenon, obviously i can only go by what i see, and it's very suspect indeed.. Put it this way, remember when the iraq war was about to kick off and they showed alledged chemical weapons sites, pictures of mobile chemical labs/trucks modified etc, you know to like justify the invasion.. well, if anything like this (swathes of camps) was found in a middle eastern country i know for a fact questions would be asked... But when it's happening on our own doorstep it's ok nobody seems to mind, they are probably all sitting empty as i write this, but what if there ever was martial imposed in USA, do think they would sit empty for long?
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Well obviously FEMA doesn't operate in Scotland, but if they did i'd be asking questions, I haven't noticed any unusual stuff like that here, i'm sure peeps wouldn't be long in condemning it tho. So what you are saying is.. FEMA do not operate any detention centres? These compounds/eary buildings razor wired and with turnstiles are not designed to hold people or are operated by government/military?
no, what I'm saying is these places are real places, well, a few are, many
of them have been demolished and shopping malls have been erected on the
sites but there's no nefarious death camps. Contrary to what you'd like to
believe, razor wire isnt just used to keep people in, it's also used to
keep people out... obviously you'll have a hard time believing that since
you have a difficult time believing that Scotland has death camps
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So it's just a vivid hallucination and we should all put our blinkers on and carry on regardless?
isnt that exactly what you're doing, denying the existence of the UK death
camps, let's not forget Yarl's Wood, sure they call it an immigration
detention facility for the UK but a place for people to be sent to be
raped, tortured and executed.... maybe you should take off your blinders
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Furthermore, it's not my job to investigate, i am only gathering opinion and trying to gauge peoples perception of this phenomenon, obviously i can only go by what i see, and it's very suspect indeed..
you know what's suspect? the fact that the UK has had a history of forced
labor camps for the unemployed, right, simply not having a job put you into
a concentration camp where you were forced to work... sound familiar? maybe
while you're nosing around you should be looking for razor wire in
scotland, clearly a sign of a death camp, not that they really need them with everyone afraid to speak out, all the cameras and listening devices on the streets capable of peering into your windows to see what you're up to
http://www.secret-bases.co.uk/google-earth.htm
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Put it this way, remember when the iraq war was about to kick off and they showed alledged chemical weapons sites, pictures of mobile chemical labs/trucks modified etc, you know to like justify the invasion.. well, if anything like this (swathes of camps) was found in a middle eastern country i know for a fact questions would be asked... But when it's happening on our own doorstep it's ok nobody seems to mind
really, you mean like in Drumcree
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/northern_ireland/822100.stm
of course none of this would happen in in the UK because everyone is so peaceful and loving there, the government loves it's people and cares deeply for them, in fact they want to lock them away to protect them from the violent outside world... for their own safety
nope... never would happen over there
maybe you should wake up and pay attention to what's happening in your own
back yard before you believe the internet videos meant to delude you into
thinking the yanks have it bad.
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Are you for real???? OMG... Yarls wood is for immigration run by serco right, and the picture is a perfect example of what a serco private jail looks like, trust me i know, i've been in one, they are very good, sky tv all mod cons and the screws bring in the stuff... But thats beside the point... Serco are basically jails, still run by her majesty but private none the less...
As for Northern Ireland thats a totally different ball game and i don't dispute Brit attrocities in the slightest against the Irish.. infact i'm a sympathiser, Or the fact britain is a nanny state also, It's totally off topic tho, If there was an organistation in britain seperate from the prison system in UK/scotland in particularly that had the power to detain and do all kinds of stuff, their would be an outcry, whether its disaster, emergency or not.
The secret bases you alledge arent that secret to be honest, most i clicked on were either gas terminals, ports, harbours, RAF bases, etc. Nothing really had me worried...
Me bringing this up about FEMA, don't take it to heart, i'm not anti-american in the slightest, if it was happening in my country i'd be shocked to, it's nothing personal mate. Your absolutely right about UK, we invented concentration camps, bio weapons etc... and the only country to complete genocide. That was a long time ago tho, without pointing the finger and saying you did this and were responsible for that, it's beside the point, look at it like this, these things are springing up all over the place. Try to stay on topic with this, i get the picture, you don't believe theres anything sinister in these places, good, i hope your right.
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Rail_Gun
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Of course it's true. After extraterrestrial disclosure takes place we will depopulate 80% of human population. All religious believers will get their heads chopped off. The only other possibility is that Obama is going to do to the white man what the white man did to the black man for so many centuries. Either way it's all good since I'm in the Illuminati.
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MrLuvaluva
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LOL..
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Rail_Gun
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Sure, laugh now. But after I pull your butt out of the camps for being "shroomy" you'll sing a grateful tune. As an Illuminati I'll personally vouch for everyone I feel is shroomy enough.
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Ill-bird
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Ok pris please comfort me here. I want to believe that none of this is true but what are these facilities then? I don't think the liners are coffins either, all they would do you would think is dig a mass grave and toss bodies in by the thousands. Anyway....I'm kinda speechless about it all
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MrLuvaluva
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Quote:
Rail_Gun said:
Sure, laugh now. But after I pull your butt out of the camps for being "shroomy" you'll sing a grateful tune. As an Illuminati I'll personally vouch for everyone I feel is shroomy enough.
Counting on ya lolololol
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Ill-bird
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Quote:
Rail_Gun said:
Sure, laugh now. But after I pull your butt out of the camps for being "shroomy" you'll sing a grateful tune. As an Illuminati I'll personally vouch for everyone I feel is shroomy enough.
You better!!
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Prisoner#1
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Are you for real???? OMG... Yarls wood is for immigration run by serco right, and the picture is a perfect example of what a serco private jail looks like, trust me i know, i've been in one, they are very good, sky tv all mod cons and the screws bring in the stuff... But thats beside the point... Serco are basically jails, still run by her majesty but private none the less...
if by TV and stuff you mean rape and murder... yep, loads of that
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The secret bases you alledge arent that secret to be honest, most i clicked on were either gas terminals, ports, harbours, RAF bases, etc. Nothing really had me worried...
well now you're starting to see what these fema camps are, they're nothing
but paranoid delusions of a crackpot cunt from the mid 90s
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there are 923 words in the english language that do not follow the "I before E"
rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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Prisoner#1
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\Quote:
Ill-bird said:
Ok pris please comfort me here. I want to believe that none of this is true but what are these facilities then? I don't think the liners are coffins either, all they would do you would think is dig a mass grave and toss bodies in by the thousands. Anyway....I'm kinda speechless about it all
the facilities are an assortment of things, the amtrak depot is just that,
nothing more, the military bases are just that, oak ridge national labs,
it's a nuclear/historical site. there was at one point a long list of these
so called FEMA sites, many of the places that were on that list are no longer
even there, some were military bases, some were abandoned factories and
condemned building, there is one site that;s certainly being used as a
detention facility, Jesse Ventura went there and covered it in his show, the
one that the internet claims was never aired, yet dozens have recorded it
from TV and posted it on the net. the site is housing illegal aliens and
their families while they await deportation. the rest is bunk
I encourage you to look for yourself if you're in the US, google Rex84
camps and you'll find several lists, check the sites via google maps and
then if you feel up to it, drive by, ask questions to anyone you see, the
claim is that there's 800 of these camps that are fully operational, and it
was claimed we'd see martial law under clinton, bush and now they're trying
to attribute the shit to obama
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=3010
here's a list of the so called camps, one in alaska is claimed to be some
huge mental institution in the wilderness capable of housing 500,000
people, this list also contains the executive orders that supposedly allow
for this to happen, read the orders as well, not just what's listed on the
page. hit the government site hosting those executive orders
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/FEMA-Concentration-Camps3sep04.htm
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there are 923 words in the english language that do not follow the "I before E"
rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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Prisoner#1
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here's one of those places that simply doesnt exist
McRae Georgia - Telfair County - 1.5 miles west of McRae on Hwy 134 (8th St). Facility is on Irwinton Avenue off 8th St., manned & staffed - no prisoners
there is no 8th street that crosses irwinton ave. there's nothing that could
even be construed as large enough to house 1000 prisoners, much less 20,000,
check it on google maps
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&rlz=&=&q=Irwinton%20Avenue%20McRae%20georgia&um=1&biw=1144&bih=631&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=il
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there are 923 words in the english language that do not follow the "I before E"
rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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WakeboardrB
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I actually went to one of the "identified" FEMA camps about 2 years ago. It was supposed to be next to a federal prison, which my friend was serving 5 years in for Credit/wire/mail fraud.
There was nothing there besides the federal prison and the adjacent county prison, which had been there for 20 years.
No sign of a FEMA detention center. And believe me, I checked. I even asked a federal guard about it and it was the end of her shift and she drove me around the compound along the fence line and showed me all that was there.
A Federal Prison and a county jail. No FEMA detention center like the bullshit says.
Don't trust everything you read.
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Same thing happened to me when I played Neil Armstrong in Moonshot. They found me in an alley in Burbank trying to re-enter the earth's atmosphere in an old refrigerator box.
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