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 Emmanuel Goldstein
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 Re: Study Finds that Juicing is comparable to whole fruits and vegetables in minimizing cancer.....  [Re: ashfiken]
#16317111 - 06/01/12 03:19 PM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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No, I just wasted some time and reread your posts and you were clearly siding with him but no worries, it's all good between you and I. And kudos for uploading off an iPhone! I'm about to nail this clown to a cross...
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Emmanuel Goldstein
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Re: Study Finds that Juicing is comparable to whole fruits and vegetables in minimizing cancer..... [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#16317135 - 06/01/12 03:24 PM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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And as far as medicines go and constipation, maybe I did exaggerate to drive home a frigging point that there are tons of them that do this and they are the ones most widely prescribed many times and when you do a quick search the first thing in each result says is medications cause constipation
Maybe instead of relying on "quick internet searches" you actually took the time to learn pharmacology, you wouldn't come up with such poorly informed generalizations.
Look, I've already addressed this issue with you and I rely on the current PDR as well as forums where people discuss symptoms/side effects from medications they all take that aren't even listed in the PDR. Do you think I'm kidding? You don't understand your how pathetic your own pharmacology is. My old pharmacist knows how bad they are, we talk all of the time and he says he'd never rely on an MD ever again because he understands the action of these meds better then they do!
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Emmanuel Goldstein
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Re: Study Finds that Juicing is comparable to whole fruits and vegetables in minimizing cancer..... [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#16317157 - 06/01/12 03:27 PM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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No man, if you were in the mix when it all started in a previous thread you'd have a clue what you were talking about, what I said is it's dysfunction of Oxygen metabolism that effects the KREB cycle in a big way and this future clown said the KREB cycle isn't disrupted/altered and therefore doesn't play any role in disease.
Now you're misquoting.
You constantly bring up the Kreb's cycle, which means your knowledge of primary cellular mechanisms in cancer is severely lacking.
If you honestly think the disruption in the Kreb's cycle is the pivotal cause of cancers then you have never picked up and read any oncology book.
No, I wasn't misquoting you in the least Mr edit himself. You are completely pathetic if you are actually a med student, I'm stunned if you're actually telling us the truth. Either that or it just goes to show all of us how bad main stream medicine really is...
Stunned I am!
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Emmanuel Goldstein
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Re: Study Finds that Juicing is comparable to whole fruits and vegetables in minimizing cancer..... [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#16317168 - 06/01/12 03:29 PM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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And yes colon health is one of the first things an integrative or functional MD addresses
Then you have no idea about clinical medicine. Stool studies and colonoscopies are only ordered when it's suspected that there's a disease correlating back to the GI tract.
No doctor goes to colon and stool studies for every single patient who comes in with an ailment.
Which again debunks your rediculous notion that "all disease is supported by poor colon health".
You've never studied pathology, have you...
Ohh! you're going to love what a surprise I have for you in the other cut and paste thread of yours! All you have to do is say YES! Emmanuel, I'm ready!
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Re: Study Finds that Juicing is comparable to whole fruits and vegetables in minimizing cancer..... [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#16317197 - 06/01/12 03:34 PM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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A doctor who knows what they're doing will look at a comprehensive breakdown of the various acids that can easily be present in urine due to the disruption of the KREB cycle
Wrong yet again.
Urea, the primary acid found in urine, is derived from the nitrogen cycle, not the Kreb's cycle.
Do you even know of any biochemistry outside of the Kreb's cycle?
When docs analyze the ionic status of urinalysis the primary forms of diagnosis is perfusion, pre or post renal. Or failing ion channel function within the nephrons.
You really don't know much about basic physiology.
Well DUH! regarding urea! And isn't it interesting that we have a nitrogen cycle, besides the fact it is the predominant gas we breathe. Evolution is beautiful isn't it? Ohh my god what they are teaching you people in med school it's little wonder it's a pill for everything with clowns... So there's no possibility for any other acids to be present in our urine? I mean you did say "PRIMARY!"
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Re: Study Finds that Juicing is comparable to whole fruits and vegetables in minimizing cancer..... [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#16317212 - 06/01/12 03:36 PM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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And before I end this, another clown that Steve Barret loved to post on his site is now saying that too much calcium causes heart disease.
Hypercalcemia does cause abnormal heart rhythms, such as prolonged QT-intervals and widened T waves.
Both forms of disruption can lead to arrhythmias and exacerbation of infarctions.
Your knowledge of basic physiology is severely lacking.
Yes yes yes... Blah blah blah... Hypercalcenmia he says! Hmmm...
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Re: Study Finds that Juicing is comparable to whole fruits and vegetables in minimizing cancer..... [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#16317237 - 06/01/12 03:40 PM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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I produced my blood work that proves that I had low to normal cholesterol and still developed artery and vascular disease diagnosed by Doppler studies, will this carry any weight regarding high cholesterol being the dominant issue? Not that it's an issue at all because I've been told it's not by a real healer who has taken Otto Warburgs discoveries to their logical conclusion
You can have vascular pathology without high cholesterol. But that doesn't mean that high cholesterol WON'T also cause atherosclerosis.
Your proclamation that high cholesterol isn't dangerous is still something you've done a poor job at explaining.
You bring up Otto Warburg again, when you fail to realize his metabolic theory as the primary cause of cancers has been debunked decades ago.
Please update yourself on current researches in cancer...
Ohh, I see, but for the individual who started out with high cholesterol once the cholesterol levels are lowered everything is brand new again? It's the same cholesterol, just a lower serum amount so everything is cool now?!?
WARBURG WAS DEBUNKED??? By who you? Why did JAMA give my MD props? Get a clue man! If he was debunked he was debunked by incompetents or psychopaths...
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Re: Study Finds that Juicing is comparable to whole fruits and vegetables in minimizing cancer..... [Re: Anonymous #1]
#16317248 - 06/01/12 03:42 PM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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why does everyone have to diss emmanuel in the middle of attempting to get there point across?
other than that, you guys are confusing. too much bickering
Thank you my brother from another mother! PeaCe B onto you in your quest for the truth! For you shall see in his cancer quack debunked!
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Emmanuel Goldstein
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Re: Study Finds that Juicing is comparable to whole fruits and vegetables in minimizing cancer..... [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#16317287 - 06/01/12 03:48 PM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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He really just doesn't know what he's talking about. And I basically point out all the examples of this as he goes along.
Hey did you know having high cholesterol isn't a danger according to him?
It isn't man, it's the underlying inflammation and a beautiful mechanism that evolved in the hopes that the inflammation came under control...
I asked you a very simple question but you never not once answered any of them. I asked you "Have you ever scraped the surface of your skin and developed a scab? and I specifically asked you are there any similarities between a scab or vessel build up/deposits?
And you completely and utterly ignored a simple question. You are pathetic and we are done after you say "Yes Emmanuel, I'm ready" in the quack buster" thread.
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Re: Study Finds that Juicing is comparable to whole fruits and vegetables in minimizing cancer..... [Re: Emmanuel Goldstein]
#16317445 - 06/01/12 04:18 PM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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Look, I've already addressed this issue with you and I rely on the current PDR as well as forums where people discuss symptoms/side effects from medications they all take that aren't even listed in the PDR.
Oh wow internet forums. Yeah. Instead of reading through and memorizing say...a pharmacology text book.
You are so well educated that you think all drugs have constipation as a classic first tier side effect.
You are so smart.
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Re: Study Finds that Juicing is comparable to whole fruits and vegetables in minimizing cancer..... [Re: Emmanuel Goldstein]
#16317460 - 06/01/12 04:20 PM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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Emmanuel Goldstein said:
So there's no possibility for any other acids to be present in our urine?
Please open a pathology text book sometime....please. And go ahead and try to find where it states the acids tested for in clinical practice are due to kreb's cycle dysfunction.
Please just open a text book and read it sometime. It might just teach you something.
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Re: Study Finds that Juicing is comparable to whole fruits and vegetables in minimizing cancer..... [Re: Emmanuel Goldstein]
#16317470 - 06/01/12 04:22 PM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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Emmanuel Goldstein said:
Ohh, I see, but for the individual who started out with high cholesterol once the cholesterol levels are lowered everything is brand new again? It's the same cholesterol, just a lower serum amount so everything is cool now?!?
Please read any medical text book on cholesterol and relationships with atherosclerosis.
Please read a text book or take a class. Instead of relying on internet forums as your primary source of knowledge.
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Re: Study Finds that Juicing is comparable to whole fruits and vegetables in minimizing cancer..... [Re: Emmanuel Goldstein]
#16317477 - 06/01/12 04:23 PM (11 months, 11 days ago) |
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Emmanuel Goldstein said:
Yes yes yes... Blah blah blah... Hypercalcenmia he says! Hmmm...
Please read about cardiac electrophysiology and cellular action potentials. Please educate yourself on these basic concepts.
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Re: Study Finds that Juicing is comparable to whole fruits and vegetables in minimizing cancer..... [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#16318441 - 06/01/12 07:37 PM (11 months, 10 days ago) |
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You be the boss....
Of whom? 
You can find tons of studies that show cancer fighting effects of fruits veggies and mushrooms. I suspect that it was a pick-your-studies kind of thing.
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Re: Study Finds that Juicing is comparable to whole fruits and vegetables in minimizing cancer..... [Re: AlphaFalfa]
#16318734 - 06/01/12 08:50 PM (11 months, 10 days ago) |
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Seven pages long, so forgive me if this point has been raised
Juice to raw unprocessed fruit n veg is like fine flour compared to whole ears of wheat. You can burn wheat, and if you get the fire hot enough you'll get a fair bit burnt, but not all. That flour? well not only does it burn much faster, it's explosively fast at combustion, something mills have had to be very careful over for years.
Juice extracts of food compared to the food prior has a lot more surface area, thus digestion can take place not only more efficently, but quicker and with less wastage.
I rarely feel like eating half a dozen carrots and two oranges, but the juice of such is delicious (if a little salty) and I can gulp down in seconds.
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Re: Study Finds that Juicing is comparable to whole fruits and vegetables in minimizing cancer..... [Re: LiquidSmoke]
#16615159 - 07/30/12 08:27 AM (9 months, 14 days ago) |
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Detoxification is a process that exists which we are just beginning to scratch the surface.
Detoxification is a term that's loosely thrown around and misconstrued heavily by alternative medicine proponents.
Detoxification defined by the scientific medical community is a bit different than the one defined by alternative medicine.
Detoxification as an alternative medicine approach that proponents claim rids the body of "toxins", accumulated harmful substances that are alleged to exert undesirable effects on individual health. Detoxification usually includes one or more of: dieting, fasting, consuming exclusively or avoiding specific foods (such as fats, carbohydrates, fruits, vegetables, juices, herbs, or water), colon cleansing, chelation therapy, or the removal of dental fillings.Body cleansing is not supported by science, with no medical benefits demonstrated, and is based on questionable or disproved scientific claims. The toxins are usually undefined, with no evidence (or inappropriately used testing) for toxic accumulation in the patient.
For example, Max Gerson could never identify a SINGLE TOXIN that he supposedly claimed was being removed with his coffee enemas.
Detoxification as a scientific medical concept is one that you're mentioning as being a newly discovered field that is yes, been barely scratched the surface. It actually has defined "toxicans" more like metallic substances which use PHARMACEUTICAL DRUGS and surgical intervention to remove from the body.
Drugs such as:
Penacillimince
Doxylamine succinate
Cholestyramine
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Re: Study Finds that Juicing is comparable to whole fruits and vegetables in minimizing cancer..... [Re: Anonymous #3]
#16622473 - 07/31/12 03:35 PM (9 months, 13 days ago) |
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LiquidSmoke said:
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AlphaFalfa said:
Detoxification is a process that exists which we are just beginning to scratch the surface.
Detoxification is a term that's loosely thrown around and misconstrued heavily by alternative medicine proponents.
Detoxification defined by the scientific medical community is a bit different than the one defined by alternative medicine.
Detoxification as an alternative medicine approach that proponents claim rids the body of "toxins", accumulated harmful substances that are alleged to exert undesirable effects on individual health. Detoxification usually includes one or more of: dieting, fasting, consuming exclusively or avoiding specific foods (such as fats, carbohydrates, fruits, vegetables, juices, herbs, or water), colon cleansing, chelation therapy, or the removal of dental fillings.Body cleansing is not supported by science, with no medical benefits demonstrated, and is based on questionable or disproved scientific claims. The toxins are usually undefined, with no evidence (or inappropriately used testing) for toxic accumulation in the patient.
For example, Max Gerson could never identify a SINGLE TOXIN that he supposedly claimed was being removed with his coffee enemas.
Detoxification as a scientific medical concept is one that you're mentioning as being a newly discovered field that is yes, been barely scratched the surface. It actually has defined "toxicans" more like metallic substances which use PHARMACEUTICAL DRUGS and surgical intervention to remove from the body.
Drugs such as:
Penacillimince
Doxylamine succinate
Cholestyramine
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