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What can I do with truckloads of rice hull with duck poo?
    #16246154 - 05/17/12 04:38 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I have a couple of thousand free range ducks. They roam the fields in the morning and they go home at night to the camp. The duck camp is bedded with 100 truckloads of rice hull and every month or so another 10 truckloads are put on top. It's a dollar per load delivered. What edibles can I grow in this free resource. I tried and spawned some bags with Oysters and C. Indica. Although it colonized within ten days. It doesn't seem to get really white. I know they're not poo lovers. Maybe I can use it to spawn straw?

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Re: What can I do with truckloads of rice hull with duck poo? [Re: sparkle]
    #16246219 - 05/17/12 04:51 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Too much nitrogen in the bird droppings I think.

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Re: What can I do with truckloads of rice hull with duck poo? [Re: Beefy1]
    #16246517 - 05/17/12 06:00 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I'd try Agaricus brasiliensis or one of the other large, yellow staining Agaricus species on that material, though it may require an additional step of composting in piles.

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Re: What can I do with truckloads of rice hull with duck poo? [Re: Mycelio]
    #16246710 - 05/17/12 06:47 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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I'd try Agaricus brasiliensis or one of the other large, yellow staining Agaricus species on that material, though it may require an additional step of composting in piles.

Carsten




You could also try Paddy straw, that's gonna need composting too, but not as much.

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Re: What can I do with truckloads of rice hull with duck poo? [Re: sparkle]
    #16247225 - 05/17/12 08:31 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

What have you found growing on this material in the wild?

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Re: What can I do with truckloads of rice hull with duck poo? [Re: Shu]
    #16247388 - 05/17/12 09:06 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Good point. I have found:
Chlorophylum procera


Pan. Papilionesence


P. cubensis
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Stinkhorn


and a bunch of unidentifieds



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Re: What can I do with truckloads of rice hull with duck poo? [Re: sparkle]
    #16247702 - 05/17/12 10:15 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

If you had a set up for pastuerizing it en mass I would suggest Portabellos.

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Re: What can I do with truckloads of rice hull with duck poo? [Re: sparkle]
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Re: What can I do with truckloads of rice hull with duck poo? [Re: Shu]
    #16247830 - 05/17/12 10:42 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

I wonder how composted your material gets just in sitting there for the month. Do you completely remove all the bedding and add fresh every time or do you use a deep litter method of just adding a fresh layer to the top? I do this with my chickens so i was just curious as i use wood shavings and have wondered about the potential of using the material for cultivation as apposed to just dumping it into my compost.


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Re: What can I do with truckloads of rice hull with duck poo? [Re: chefinainteasy]
    #16248130 - 05/17/12 11:53 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

What did you use before you came up with the rice hulls?  straw?

maybe just let it age a bit and try it mixed with straw or woodchips or whatever you can get.-  stretch out your supply of more expensive bulk.



I can't see why oysters at least woudn't like rice hulls if they can handle just about everything else. I think the duck shit is just a little harsh right now.

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Re: What can I do with truckloads of rice hull with duck poo? [Re: falcon]
    #16248327 - 05/18/12 12:59 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

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I'd try Agaricus brasiliensis or one of the other large, yellow staining Agaricus species on that material, though it may require an additional step of composting in piles.

Carsten




You could also try Paddy straw, that's gonna need composting too, but not as much.




These are both great ideas.  Paddy straw should sell well in Sparkles market too.

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Re: What can I do with truckloads of rice hull with duck poo? [Re: Javadog]
    #16248879 - 05/18/12 06:36 AM (11 years, 10 months ago)

The best suited mushroom species depend on the ratio of duck poo to rice hulls, which will be hard to say exactly. Perhaps a picture would help and if there is a strong, weak or no ammonia smell.
As chefin wrote, it would be interesting to know how long the bottom layers are in there, if the material dries out quickly or if it already started composting and developing heat.
However, usage will require a couple of experiments with pile size, perhaps adding other materials, turning and inoculation.

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Re: What can I do with truckloads of rice hull with duck poo? [Re: Mycelio]
    #16250382 - 05/18/12 02:44 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Thanks for the inputs guys. I'll try to get a hold of A. Blazei and my V. Volvariella is in the grain now. I'll try that but I'm doubtful because here where that is a weed, I don't see any at the camp.

@mushfarm - Can't do ports, I'm tropical.

@shu - I'm not sure I can sell parasols. But I do have a parasol heap for my own use.

@chef - We just add a fresh layer on top every month. I had a few chickens and I bedded it with straw. I gave them some contamned grains. And after they were sold I would see C.Indica and oysters growing. Maybe it's the bedding. Rice hull is probably not ideal.

@beefy - I use straw and woodchips but hard to get at the moment. Corn harvest is coming up, I haven't tried that yet. I really want to make the rice hull work because it's so cheap. I'll try what you said and mix it.

@carsten - yup hard to tell the ratio. But there are areas where they hang out more and areas where they hardly visit. I got from the midlle. When I pasteurized it and smelled it I was surprised that there's no smell.

The bedding is about14" deep. The camp is about 5000 sq. ft.

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Re: What can I do with truckloads of rice hull with duck poo? [Re: sparkle]
    #16251078 - 05/18/12 05:47 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

So it seems you used rice hulls with little poo content. Maybe you try oysters on pure rice hulls first to see, if the hulls itself are somehow problematic. I thought rice hulls were like straw, just with a finer particle size, but also read that mushrooms would perform better when they are mixed with other materials.
In parallel, I'd create one or more test piles, maybe smaller than recommended for Agaricus composting, as the finer material will not let oxygen penetrate as deep as straw would. If it does heat up, you may wait for it too cool down enough and try again with different species. Once you found a mushroom that likes composted rice hulls, you can continue to find ways to inoculate the piles directly without risking too much loss to weed mushrooms. Paddy straw spawn should have the advantage, that the compost can be inoculated earlier and at higher substrate temperatures.
So much for my ideas. It would be cool, if you could find a way to use that stuff with minimal work.

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Re: What can I do with truckloads of rice hull with duck poo? [Re: Mycelio]
    #16265445 - 05/21/12 10:33 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Um the second to teh last unidentified mkushroom looks like it may be a yellow staining agaricus, did you examine it closer?

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Re: What can I do with truckloads of rice hull with duck poo? [Re: Lennybernadino]
    #16279432 - 05/24/12 05:29 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

Carsten, I like your ideas. You always have a thoughtful, intelligent insights. I really do need to do these trials. I'm getting insights from you guys to point me in the right direction to lessen the work:smile:
Lenny, I really thought it's agaricus (it stains red though). But according to our TI's well, we don't know. But it was an interesting discussion here

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Re: What can I do with truckloads of rice hull with duck poo? [Re: sparkle]
    #16279770 - 05/24/12 06:39 PM (11 years, 10 months ago)

That is an amazing thread Sparkle.  Thanks for sharing it!

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Re: What can I do with truckloads of rice hull with duck poo? [Re: Javadog]
    #16543190 - 07/17/12 01:51 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

Just an update . I forgot about this experiment for more than a month. So the bag just sat there, I opened it and after a week..voila...8" diameter Calocybe Indica. The biggest I've seen. The oysters are still struggling. I'll do this experiment again properly. But it looks like CI can do with some poo. I'll try Volvariella V. as well.

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Re: What can I do with truckloads of rice hull with duck poo? [Re: sparkle]
    #16543310 - 07/17/12 02:46 AM (11 years, 8 months ago)

:manofapproval:

Nice!

Thanks for letting us know Sparkle.

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Re: What can I do with truckloads of rice hull with duck poo? [Re: sparkle]
    #16545594 - 07/17/12 04:32 PM (11 years, 8 months ago)

That is a bag of poo? Had it sat around a while or was it sorta fresh? More details please. BTW nice grow!

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