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 Sulfurshelfsean
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 Correcting High Nitrogen Soil 
#16246066 - 05/17/12 06:22 PM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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OKay, so if anyone read my ginormous blunder in my last post, I repotted my peruvian torch, and like an ass dampened the soil to fiel capacity and dampened it with water i had sprinkled some high nitrogen bat guano in without realizing which fertalizer water i had picked up. So I guess my question is, how can I correct the soil, or do I have to mix some new soil? The ratio was 10, 1, 4 x(. I didn't mix as directed though, rather put a the tip of a tablespoon or so into a one and a half liter water bottle, used maybe half of the bottle (was all that was left from watering other plants). Maybe I could get an even bigger pot and dilute the soil with unfertalized stuff?
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 ferrel_human
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did you mix in the fertilizier with the soil? if not then just scrape the first layer of of soil and flush the soil.
you could also unpot it, dry the roots completely and get your soil right.
i would choose the latter rather than the former.
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Yeah I mixed it in with the dirt  I'm gonna take it out and dry it overnight and get some soil tomorow. Thanks for the advice 
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Yeah I mixed it in with the dirt I'm gonna take it out and dry it overnight and get some soil tomorow. Thanks for the advice
Uproot, soak roots in distilled water for 20 min to 1 hr to wash of excess fertilizer in soil particles on roots, let the roots dry for a week so healing takes place, flush existing soil heavily with distilled water, plant cactus back in soil and do not water for a week. Then you can water again and refertilize next watering at 2-7-7 ratio.
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Re: Correcting High Nitrogen Soil [Re: Ieponumos]
#16246570 - 05/17/12 08:11 PM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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Ok, well i uprooted it again and the roots are really dry, so thats good. ALl I have at my disposal is perlite and potting soil if I want to make new soil so i think I'll do what you said and flush this stuff. How many gallons of distilled water do you think its gonna take to flush this stuff?
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So theres only one place that has distilled water and its a half hour away and i have no ride x( Will filtered water from a fridge suffice?
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So theres only one place that has distilled water and its a half hour away and i have no ride x( Will filtered water from a fridge suffice?
Sure, it'll work. Flush until the water from the bottom runs clear.
What kind of filtration if you dont't mind my asking?
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Re: Correcting High Nitrogen Soil [Re: Ieponumos]
#16246906 - 05/17/12 09:36 PM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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Im not really sure, but i found some place close with distilled** and got in five minutes before closing xD. gonna soak the roots, clean em up and dry it off and hope for the best, thanks for all the help guys, I'll let ya'll know how it goes
Edited by Sulfurshelfsean (05/17/12 09:54 PM)
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Big L
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Just going to put this out there. I have never over fertilized a Trichocereus, and I have pushed mine pretty hard witr nitrogen. Probably harder than then the guano mix you made.
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Re: Correcting High Nitrogen Soil [Re: Big L]
#16247550 - 05/17/12 11:39 PM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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Just going to put this out there. I have never over fertilized a Trichocereus, and I have pushed mine pretty hard with nitrogen. Probably harder than then the guano mix you made.
Really? Cool. I know that Trichs are pretty fert tolerant, but I thought even they didn't like too much N.
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Re: Correcting High Nitrogen Soil [Re: Big L]
#16247591 - 05/17/12 11:48 PM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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I have a tendancy to over react when it comes to my torch, shes my baby. I realized after unpotting it again that pretty much all the soil on the roots was the original soil without fertilizer and did it anyway. Oh well, I got a bunch of distilled water out of the deal which I'm gonna need for some myco experiments. Live and learn.
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Re: Correcting High Nitrogen Soil [Re: Ieponumos]
#16247624 - 05/17/12 11:55 PM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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I never went really crazy with mine. I had no reason to try and burn them, but there was a time when I watered with nothing but moderately strong horse manure tea. During that time I never gave them straight water at all.
One high nitrogen application of organic fertilizer wont destroy anything imo.
Other times I have mixed this stuff in my soil,
and other occasions have used organic blood meal.
I will also add that this was with well established pedros with large root systems.
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Re: Correcting High Nitrogen Soil [Re: Big L]
#16247658 - 05/18/12 12:05 AM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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should i just repot this thing and not waste my time cleaning this soiL?
Well obviously i need to let it dry a week now but yeah...
Edited by Sulfurshelfsean (05/18/12 12:12 AM)
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Big L
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I cant say for sure. I was just adding my experience with ferts. Mine were used to it, and I would hate for you to fuck your baby up, but I would say you would be good just potting it back up and just use plain water for a while.
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Re: Correcting High Nitrogen Soil [Re: Big L]
#16247700 - 05/18/12 12:14 AM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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Cool, cool thanks for the advice guys, its been a learning experience 
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Re: Correcting High Nitrogen Soil [Re: Big L]
#16247743 - 05/18/12 12:22 AM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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I cant say for sure. I was just adding my experience with ferts. Mine were used to it, and I would hate for you to fuck your baby up, but I would say you would be good just potting it back up and just use plain water for a while.
I must admit I am baked, but I reread the OP and he said he used the tip of a tablespoon. Mow I just got my bag of guano out to look at the dosage. Mine is from Sunleaves with a 10-1-1 and its recommended dosage on the back is 1-3 tablespoons for vigorous, indoor plants. It recommends 1 tbsp for young indoor plants. If yours goes by the same dosage rate, then you have nothing to worry about unless it is a seedling.
How old is it?
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Re: Correcting High Nitrogen Soil [Re: Ieponumos]
#16247835 - 05/18/12 12:43 AM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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Pachanoi, peruvianus, terscheckii, scopulicola and allies can take a lot of N, but a lot of N seems to be a kiss of death for most bridgesii in my experience. Better to fertilize moderately it than over do it especially if you live in a climate where you have to move them indoors or to a protected position for winter.
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Re: Correcting High Nitrogen Soil [Re: Ieponumos]
#16249103 - 05/18/12 10:10 AM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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I'm not sure the age, but its gotta be old, its a big stump abouttwo and a half feet tall and about 6 or 7 inches in diameter, with two pups that are about a foot and three quarters each. I'm glad the concensus is shaping up to be that I'm over reacting *whoo* better to over react than to have to deal with a dead cactus. My own noobishness to the cacti never ceases to amaze me 
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I've read that gypsum can help keep from burning from artificial feedings. I don't know how much is true because I've read different things though. I also believe gypsum somehow locks in nitrogen for better uptake as well. Gypsum is calcium sulfate and cacti love calcium. I wonder if you can overdo calcium though.
I always put a little gypsum in everything because I'm used to dealing with clay soil with high salinity.
Does gypsum help? I don't know, but if someone has some good scientifical knowledge I would love to hear it.
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Bat Guano high in Phosphorous not Nitrogen!
I used to use this when growing organically to get large thick 'flowers'.
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Re: Correcting High Nitrogen Soil [Re: J.T]
#16271781 - 05/23/12 08:34 AM (1 year, 1 day ago) |
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J.T said:
Bat Guano high in Phosphorous not Nitrogen!
I used to use this when growing organically to get large thick 'flowers'.
It depends on which guano you buy, depending on geographic region and mostly likely the diet of the bats.
I have both high phosphorus bat guano and high nitrogen bat guano. I'm using the Mexican for veg
and the Indonesian for flower
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Re: Correcting High Nitrogen Soil [Re: Ieponumos]
#16290171 - 05/27/12 12:41 AM (11 months, 22 days ago) |
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Ah ha! I didn't know you can get high N Guano
Nice man, hope it all goes well!
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