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 Colorado Congress Passed "D-U-High" Bill 
#16241246 - 05/16/12 06:52 PM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/colorado-house-passes-bill-marijuana-duis-16356099#.T7Qv_r-fAVk
A long-debated Colorado bill setting a marijuana limit for drivers faces an uncertain fate in the state Senate after it was passed Tuesday in the House.
The bill setting a blood standard for THC, the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana, will be debated later in the day in the Senate, where a Republican senator who changed her vote to support the measure earlier this year was absent. A vote was likely Wednesday.
The missing vote could mean another defeat for the proposal to make Colorado the third state with a blood-level limit for marijuana, much as the nation has a blood-alcohol limit of .08.
Seventeen states have some sort of blood limit for drugged driving convictions, including drugs other than marijuana.
The proposal before Colorado lawmakers would limit THC to 5 nanograms per milliliter of blood. Driving under the influence of marijuana is already illegal, but convictions rely on officer observation as well as a blood test.
Colorado's so-called "D-U-High" bill would make it simpler to convict drivers with a blood THC level at 5 nanograms or higher.
"Quite frankly, we are at a doped driving epidemic," said the bill's sponsor, Sen. Steve King, R-Mesa County. He has argued that the proliferation of medical marijuana has led to a dangerous increase in drugged driving.
Marijuana activists are fighting the proposal because they say blood THC tests are an unfair gauge of impairment. Because the body processes marijuana differently than alcohol, they say, a clear blood limit could endanger marijuana patients who aren't impaired.
Marijuana activists also argue that marijuana-related convictions are up in Colorado because more police officers are trained to look for stoned drivers, not because there's an epidemic.
Colorado lawmakers have considered marijuana DUI bills before but failed to agree.
A similar bill failed last year by a single vote in the Senate, and another version died last week when the regular session concluded.
Democratic Gov. John Hickenlooper added drugged driving to a list of measures he asked lawmakers to consider in the special legislative session expected to end Wednesday.
Voters in Washington state will consider a 5 nanogram THC driving limit this fall on a ballot measure about marijuana legalization.
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Re: Colorado Passed "D-U-High" Bill [Re: withoutawire]
#16241334 - 05/16/12 07:14 PM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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uh...
Marijuana DUI Bill Fails Again In Colorado
The 5 nanograms per ml of blood thing will never work. I could quit smoking today and I'd test higher than 5ng per ml in a week....
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Re: Colorado Passed "D-U-High" Bill [Re: BA142] 1
#16241709 - 05/16/12 08:36 PM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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What I want to know is if there is an increase in impaired driving accidents which would prompt this law, or is it merely just an "easy target" law which undoubtedly violates the Right to Privacy.
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Re: Colorado Passed "D-U-High" Bill [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#16241729 - 05/16/12 08:40 PM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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The title of the article is accurate, but your shroomery thread title is quite misleading...it hasnt passed yet, only in the house, not the senate. Please correct this if you can.
EDIT: meant to respond to OP, not the previous poster.
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Re: Colorado Passed "D-U-High" Bill [Re: withoutawire]
#16242660 - 05/16/12 11:17 PM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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People who smoke regularly save money for auto insurance companies.
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Re: Colorado Passed "D-U-High" Bill [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#16243005 - 05/17/12 12:39 AM (1 year, 5 days ago) |
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Quote:
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What I want to know is if there is an increase in impaired driving accidents which would prompt this law, or is it merely just an "easy target" law which undoubtedly violates the Right to Privacy.
Couldn't have said it better myself. I have not seen remotely any articles high drivers being dangerous.
This, and they just want more fines for people to pay for funding.
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Re: Colorado Passed "D-U-High" Bill [Re: trip forever]
#16243417 - 05/17/12 02:22 AM (1 year, 5 days ago) |
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From what I've read, people who smoke weed regularly and drive are not any more of a danger on the road than sober people.
People who NEVER smoke weed, then get high, then drive a car are more likely to cause an accident. But so are people who talk on their phones and drive, and people who eat and drive. Those are only infractions.
There are also times where I have eaten edibles and tried to drive and couldn't. I had to have my friends drive. I think in some extreme cases it makes a difference, but a simple DUI test could resolve that issue.
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Re: Colorado Passed "D-U-High" Bill [Re: withoutawire]
#16244190 - 05/17/12 10:24 AM (1 year, 5 days ago) |
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"Quite frankly, we are at a doped driving epidemic," said the bill's sponsor, Sen. Steve King, R-Mesa County. He has argued that the proliferation of medical marijuana has led to a dangerous increase in drugged driving."
Stats please and evidence, or it didn't happen.
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Re: Colorado Passed "D-U-High" Bill [Re: starfire_xes]
#16244611 - 05/17/12 12:40 PM (1 year, 5 days ago) |
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Why cant they just pull someone over(something that would indicate impairment like erratic driving) Give them sobriety tests to determine if they display lacking motor functions or any sort of impairment that would cause them to be driving in a harmful manner(exactly like they do with alcohol). If they fail, give them a blood test and ticket them if they are over the legal limit. However, if this person is perfectly coherent they should pass all tests, clearly they arent harmful on the road whether they would fail a blood test or not.
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Re: Colorado Passed "D-U-High" Bill [Re: todesengel]
#16244800 - 05/17/12 01:36 PM (1 year, 5 days ago) |
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anything they're tryin to make up is already compensated for on the roads.
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Re: Colorado Passed "D-U-High" Bill [Re: todesengel]
#16245417 - 05/17/12 04:04 PM (1 year, 5 days ago) |
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Quote:
todesengel said:
Why cant they just pull someone over(something that would indicate impairment like erratic driving) Give them sobriety tests to determine if they display lacking motor functions or any sort of impairment that would cause them to be driving in a harmful manner(exactly like they do with alcohol). If they fail, give them a blood test and ticket them if they are over the legal limit. However, if this person is perfectly coherent they should pass all tests, clearly they arent harmful on the road whether they would fail a blood test or not.
It's in the judgement of the officer who is giving the test. If they think you might have weed in your system, or have a MMJ Card, they would surely test you to get the easy win. It's lose-lose, because refusing such a test will result in losing your license still.
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Re: Colorado Passed "D-U-High" Bill [Re: aiyobro]
#16245427 - 05/17/12 04:06 PM (1 year, 5 days ago) |
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Honestly I think the higher ups need to read and spend some time reading on this forum. We got some smart intellectual people here who uses "common sense" While the people we elect to the house and senate uses fallacies to get what they want. They talk on false assumptions, and make that assumption a reality by falsifying evidence.
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Quote:
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They talk on false assumptions, and make that assumption a reality by falsifying evidence.
There is plenty of evidence that marijuana may impair driving. It's just that NORML never examines it, so the pro-marijuana people never read about it.
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Re: Colorado Passed "D-U-High" Bill [Re: aiyobro]
#16247923 - 05/18/12 01:07 AM (1 year, 4 days ago) |
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Re: Colorado Passed "D-U-High" Bill [Re: todesengel]
#16251560 - 05/18/12 09:48 PM (1 year, 4 days ago) |
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Quote:
todesengel said:
Why cant they just pull someone over(something that would indicate impairment like erratic driving) Give them sobriety tests to determine if they display lacking motor functions or any sort of impairment that would cause them to be driving in a harmful manner(exactly like they do with alcohol). If they fail, give them a blood test and ticket them if they are over the legal limit. However, if this person is perfectly coherent they should pass all tests, clearly they arent harmful on the road whether they would fail a blood test or not.
Considering they have to do a blood test to obtain results, that IS how its gonna have to work. They will need to issue a field sobriety test, and determine from that whether or not they need to bring you in and have your blood tested. Even in the event they could test you on the spot, the use of discretion will have to be exercised. Otherwise they will end up with harassment allegations from just testing everyone and not having them be over the limit.
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Re: Colorado Passed "D-U-High" Bill [Re: Diesel_Dawg]
#16251661 - 05/18/12 10:13 PM (1 year, 4 days ago) |
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If they pull the person's name up and it shows they are a patient on MMJ, they can most likely infer the person smoked that day and is likely over any "threshold" they would set.
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Re: Colorado Passed "D-U-High" Bill [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
#16252762 - 05/19/12 03:35 AM (1 year, 3 days ago) |
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Where is this medical marijuana list that police can just pull up on their computer?
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Re: Colorado Passed "D-U-High" Bill [Re: withoutawire]
#16253430 - 05/19/12 10:32 AM (1 year, 3 days ago) |
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To get a medical card you have to register with the state. (And pay $90/yr).
I've never heard of police access to this registry, especially without a warrant.
Could happen, I suppose.
One of the local dispensaries has a 'courtesy shuttle' like some car places do.
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