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 Re: This is the Dubstep formula.  [Re: twighead]
#16243179 - 05/17/12 01:28 AM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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What genre of music doesn't have a generic formula - I quiz you.
rap music does follow a certain formula but it is one of the only genre (if not the only) where you never know what instruments you are going to hear when you listen to a new song. unless you listen to shitty commercial rap where it's all synth, what I said is true.
name an instrument and I'll find a rap song with it.
(it's OK if you don't like rap, I don't mind. just keep it to yourself  )
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Re: This is the Dubstep formula. [Re: Shpongle1]
#16243190 - 05/17/12 01:31 AM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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Make an even somewhat original sounding dubstep synth patch and create one bar of something that could be used in a song. Then you can proceed with your laughing.
I probably could
I would need the money to afford a program though.
What type of music do you play anyway ?
Lol, you've never even fucked with a DAW of any kind and you laugh when I tell you it's not as easy as it seems? Not to be a dick but that is ignorance at its most basic definition.
I've been studying jazz drumming since i was about 8, and been playing guitar since I was 12 or 13 and fucking around on keyboard just teaching myself for a while. Not great at keyboard I will admit. Not exactly relevant though as creating dubstep isn't so much about "playing music" as it is about designing sounds
Ok, Well i do find it funny that if its about designing sounds, then why do all the sounds sound the same all the time ?
You can say they don't, but thats why dubstep is mocked, because its the same sounds.
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Re: This is the Dubstep formula. [Re: Newbie]
#16243193 - 05/17/12 01:31 AM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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Yeah but the other genres leave more room for creativity. Dubstep is a sentence with a wob and some machine sounds.
So some genres have more access to certain frequencies as opposed to others? I doubt that all of dubstep is simply a sentence hook and repetitive synth sounds. Most might be, though.
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Re: This is the Dubstep formula. [Re: Newbie]
#16243209 - 05/17/12 01:36 AM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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Some dubstep is okay, I never jumped on that whole band wagon. I'm still partly unsure what warranted it becoming it's own separate genre, to begin with.
Ironically, a lot of so-called "dubstep" these days doesn't even sound much like dubstep. 
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What genre of music doesn't have a generic formula - I quiz you.
rap music does follow a certain formula but it is one of the only genre (if not the only) where you never know what instruments you are going to hear when you listen to a new song. unless you listen to shitty commercial rap where it's all synth, what I said is true.
name an instrument and I'll find a rap song with it.
(it's OK if you don't like rap, I don't mind. just keep it to yourself )
Definitely not the only genre... Fusion Jazz? IDM? any 'progressive' metal or rock band? Ambient/downtempo?
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Re: This is the Dubstep formula. [Re: Robo Shaman] 1
#16243228 - 05/17/12 01:40 AM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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Some dubstep is okay, I never jumped on that whole band wagon. I'm still partly unsure what warranted it becoming it's own separate genre, to begin with.
Ironically, a lot of so-called "dubstep" these days doesn't even sound much like dubstep.
The genre is more or less defined by a 140~ bpm tempo, 2-step beat (as opposed to a 4 on the floor trance sort of thing), and some sort of melodic-esque bassline 
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Re: This is the Dubstep formula. [Re: eltonjohn]
#16243244 - 05/17/12 01:43 AM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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Make an even somewhat original sounding dubstep synth patch and create one bar of something that could be used in a song. Then you can proceed with your laughing.
I probably could
I would need the money to afford a program though.
What type of music do you play anyway ?
Lol, you've never even fucked with a DAW of any kind and you laugh when I tell you it's not as easy as it seems? Not to be a dick but that is ignorance at its most basic definition.
I've been studying jazz drumming since i was about 8, and been playing guitar since I was 12 or 13 and fucking around on keyboard just teaching myself for a while. Not great at keyboard I will admit. Not exactly relevant though as creating dubstep isn't so much about "playing music" as it is about designing sounds
Ok, Well i do find it funny that if its about designing sounds, then why do all the sounds sound the same all the time ?
You can say they don't, but thats why dubstep is mocked, because its the same sounds.
Well it's not all the same sounds. Different people have distinct sounds. I'm not going to act like its some kind of high art or some shit, although it can be pretty complicated to get the sounds they do. There's no point in discussing it because its like conversing with someone who says all jazz sax players "just sound the same". If you can't hear a difference I don't know what else to tell you.
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Comparing all dubstep to Skrillex is like saying Soulja Boy represents all Hip hop. It's just silly.
Unfortunately when people think of dubstep a lot of times they automatically picture Americanized 'brostep' such as Skrillex and producers all about the drop and noises you'd see in a Transformers movie. There are master producers making music considered dubstep that is simply nothing like what some people think all dubstep is. Deep, low frequency bass music that you can feel inside your entire body which can only be truly appreciated with a proper system made to handle that kind of power.
I'm not here to defend the honor of dubstep, obviously taste in music is subjective, just pointing it out I guess.
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Re: This is the Dubstep formula. [Re: Frost]
#16243312 - 05/17/12 01:57 AM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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I think peoples love of dubstep is almost entirely internal, as it is never as good as you say it is, its just a feeling you got which make you love it so much.
If you posted the best dubstep song you have ever heard, it probably wont stand the test of time
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Re: This is the Dubstep formula. [Re: eltonjohn]
#16243328 - 05/17/12 02:03 AM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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I just watched OP's video. Come on dude, really? You come off like you typed in 'dubstep' on youtube, clicked the first link that came up, listened to it on your laptop speakers and then made a video like you're the first person to break down generic dubstep. Cool story bro.
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Re: This is the Dubstep formula. [Re: eltonjohn] 2
#16243335 - 05/17/12 02:04 AM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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I don't understand this shit. Who said music has to be this or that? As if like, somehow some people in the woods banging rhythms onto a tree stump and other humans enjoying it and dancing to it is "wrong" or "not worthy". Its fucking rhythms and sounds. People enjoy it and have fun to it. Fuck all the snobbery regarding it because 90% of those people that talk shit don't know the first thing about music in the first place and are only hating because its for some reason a "popular" or funny thing to do.
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Re: This is the Dubstep formula. [Re: twighead]
#16243346 - 05/17/12 02:07 AM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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twighead said:
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simon418 said:
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twighead said:
What genre of music doesn't have a generic formula - I quiz you.
rap music does follow a certain formula but it is one of the only genre (if not the only) where you never know what instruments you are going to hear when you listen to a new song. unless you listen to shitty commercial rap where it's all synth, what I said is true.
name an instrument and I'll find a rap song with it.
(it's OK if you don't like rap, I don't mind. just keep it to yourself )
Definitely not the only genre... Fusion Jazz? IDM? any 'progressive' metal or rock band? Ambient/downtempo?
jazz fusion there IS gonna be a trumpet/sax of some sort, no
IDM without synth, no rock of any kind without a guitar. ambient/downtempo I can't say for sure so yeah this might be the exception.
but I know what you meant, these style are way less predictable than like heavy metal, and I agree with that.
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Re: This is the Dubstep formula. [Re: Shpongle1]
#16243367 - 05/17/12 02:10 AM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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I don't understand this shit. Who said music has to be this or that? As if like, somehow some people in the woods banging rhythms onto a tree stump and other humans enjoying it and dancing to it is "wrong" or "not worthy". Its fucking rhythms and sounds. People enjoy it and have fun to it. Fuck all the snobbery regarding it because 90% of those people that talk shit don't know the first thing about music in the first place and are only hating because its for some reason a "popular" or funny thing to do.
Good point
But its just the difference between a food critic saying this fillet Mignon is better than this MacDonalds cheeseburger, but those cheeseburgers are feeding the populous everyday, keeping peoples belly full
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Re: This is the Dubstep formula. [Re: Shpongle1]
#16243369 - 05/17/12 02:11 AM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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Jazz fusion is often those instruments... plus tons of other oddballs; hence the fusion 
An IDM track could easily consist of only cat sounds and the sound of drawers closing.
No more predictable than an 808 is in hip-hop.
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Re: This is the Dubstep formula. [Re: eltonjohn]
#16243376 - 05/17/12 02:12 AM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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Yeah I agree. I definitely know of a shit load of "filet mignon" type music and I realize that dubstep isn't that. But it's not meant to be.
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Re: This is the Dubstep formula. [Re: twighead]
#16243498 - 05/17/12 03:00 AM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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twighead said:
Jazz fusion is often those instruments... plus tons of other oddballs; hence the fusion
An IDM track could easily consist of only cat sounds and the sound of drawers closing.
No more predictable than an 808 is in hip-hop.
yeah. it's fine man. I know you know what I meant and you actually came with the best response I ever heard.(I standed by this point in arguments a LOT of times...) 
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this guy explains it better
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Re: This is the Dubstep formula. [Re: twighead]
#16243811 - 05/17/12 05:43 AM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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twighead said:
What genre of music doesn't have a generic formula - I quiz you.
Pretty much anything on warp records. Oh, and if you like dubstep, listen to Squarepusher's early stuff. Back before dubstep even had a name. Should be called cockteasing music though. It builds up, builds up, but never has the drop unlike good wholesome drum & bass. Leaves me wanting more, like a macdonalds burger.
And for that reason I avoid both.
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thats just stereotypical dubstep. lol tho. I guess I like drum & bass or dubstep but when badass. MrSuicideSheep on youtube, plays real chill music <3. listening now
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Re: This is the Dubstep formula. [Re: Shpongle1]
#16244714 - 05/17/12 01:13 PM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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I don't understand this shit. Who said music has to be this or that? As if like, somehow some people in the woods banging rhythms onto a tree stump and other humans enjoying it and dancing to it is "wrong" or "not worthy". Its fucking rhythms and sounds. People enjoy it and have fun to it. Fuck all the snobbery regarding it because 90% of those people that talk shit don't know the first thing about music in the first place and are only hating because its for some reason a "popular" or funny thing to do.
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