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 Enlil
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 Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite?  [Re: MrLuvaluva]
#16293904 - 05/28/12 07:25 AM (11 months, 20 days ago) |
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MrLuvaluva said:
show me the law which says you need to pay income tax and i'll change my opinion, many have hunted for this and guess what... NONE exists!
They didn't hunt very hard. Here's 26 U.S.C. Section 6151(a):
"Except as otherwise provided in this subchapter, when a return of tax is required under this title or regulations, the person required to make such return shall, without assessment or notice and demand from the Secretary, pay such tax to the internal revenue officer with whom the return is filed, and shall pay such tax at the time and place fixed for filing the return (determined without regard to any extension of time for filing the return)."
The relevant part for our purposes is the word "shall"...You may not know this, but when a law says "shall", it means that it is not voluntary or discretionary...it means they have to.
If that's not enough for you, here are some good cases to look at which support the mandatory nature of federal taxation:
United States v. Gerads, 999 F.2d 1255, 1256 (8th Cir. 1993)
United States v. Tedder, 787 F.2d 540, 542 (10th Cir. 1986)
United States v. Richards, 723 F.2d 646, 648 (8th Cir. 1983)
Woods v. Commissioner, 91 T.C. 88, 90 (1988)
Now, I'll bet dollars to donuts that you're going to do one of the following:
1. Ignore the information placed right in front of your face, and claim that it doesn't say what it says,
2. Ignore the post completely, or
3. Try to argue the inapplicability or meaning of those laws/cases
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Listerine said, "i want genocide for most of africa"
Edited by Enlil (05/28/12 08:47 AM)
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: LittleDipster]
#16293916 - 05/28/12 07:39 AM (11 months, 20 days ago) |
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America is literally owned by Israel, they give billions every year to them when they are broke... Some other interesting facts, on 7/7 at the London bombings, an Israeli company owned and operated all the CCTV cameras in London where the bombings took place and they weren't recording that day, on 9/11 Israeli men were found videoing the attrocity and dancing with joy, we still never found out what happened to the trucks found containing explosives beside the state dept. What i heard was 3 or 4 (if i remember right) Israeli's were detained and they happened to be agents and were sent back to Israel... Weird don't you think?
Also JFK was opposed to Israels nuclear program, this was his letter to Israel at the time
JFK's Concern Over Israel's Nuclear Bomb Program
JFK's Letter To Israeli PM Eshkol July 5, 1963
Dear Mr. Prime Minister (Eshkol),
It gives me great personal pleasure to extend congratulations as you assume your responsibilities as Prime Minister of Israel. You have our friendship and best wishes in your new tasks. It is on one of these that I am writing you at this time.
You are aware, I am sure, of the exchange which I had with Prime Minister Ben-Gurion concerning American visits (ie: inspections -ed) to Israel's nuclear facility at Dimona. Most recently, the Prime Minister wrote to me on May 27. His words reflected a most intense personal consideration of a problem that I know is not easy for your Government, as it is not for mine. We welcomed the former Prime Minister's strong reaffirmation that Dimona will be devoted exclusively to peaceful purposes and the reaffirmation also of Israel's willingness to permit periodic visits (ie: inspections -ed) to Dimona.
I regret having to add to your burdens so soon after your assumption of office, but I feel the crucial importance of this problem necessitates my taking up with you at this early date certain further considerations, arising out of Mr. Ben-Gurion's May 27 letter, as to the nature and scheduling of such visits.
I am sure you will agree that these visits should be as nearly as possible in accord with international standards, thereby resolving all doubts as to the peaceful intent of the Dimona project. As I wrote Mr. Ben-Gurion, this Government's commitment to and support of Israel could be seriously jeopardized if it should be thought that we were unable to obtain reliable information on a subject as vital to the peace as the question of Israel's effort in the nuclear field.
Therefore, I asked our scientists to review the alternative schedules of visits we and you had proposed. If Israel's purposes are to be clear beyond reasonable doubt, I believe that the schedule which would best serve our common purposes would be a visit early this summer, another visit in June 1964, and thereafter at intervals of six months. I am sure that such a schedule should not cause you any more difficulty than that which Mr. Ben-Gurion proposed in his May 27 letter. It would be essential, and I understand that Mr. Ben-Gurion's letter was in accord with this, that our scientist have access to all areas of the Dimona site and to any related part of the complex, such as fuel fabrication facilities or plutonium separation plant, and that sufficient time to be allotted for a thorough examination.
Knowing that you fully appreciate the truly vital significance of this matter to the future well-being of Israel, to the United States, and internationally, I am sure our carefully considered request will have your most sympathetic attention.
Sincerely,
John F. Kennedy
JFK demanded Israel allow inspectors to see Dimona, three months later he was assassinated and pro-Israel Johnson is President....
President Lyndon B. Johnson aggressively supported Israel because he and his wife were secretly Jewish. Once Kennedy was out of the way, President Johnson began to shift America’s foreign policy dramatically. First of all, he increased military forces in South Vietnam from 16,000 non-combat advisors to over 500,000 draftees by the time he left office in January 1969. Secondly, he joined America and Israel at the hip by increasing financial and military aid and becoming its ally during the Six Day War, an aggressive land-grab that was immediately labeled illegal by the United Nations per Resolutions 242 and later 338. Since then, one president after another has given Israel virtually everything it wants. During Kennedy’s last year in office, in 1963, the United States provided a mere $40 million per year to Israel. Within only two years, President Johnson had increased that amount to $130 million per year, over three times Kennedy’s allowance. Most of the Johnson money was for military buildup. Since Kennedy’s death, the annual subsidy to Israel has grown into the billions (presently about $3 billion per year), but the Johnson administration marked a true turning point.1 In fact, American aid to Israel has far exceeded the total US payments to reconstruct postwar Europe under the Marshall Plan.
The American Zionist Council was asked to register as a foreign agent by JFK, the foreign registrations act was a congressional law and they were required to register. They point blank refused, registering would effectively render the TAZC useless as to paying off politicians and funding candidates they wanted in power... (1963)
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: Enlil]
#16293918 - 05/28/12 07:42 AM (11 months, 20 days ago) |
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I ain't ignoring you bud, do you have a link to this info.. I'm always open to new info, i can change my opinion if there is fact to back it up and pride doesn't stop me from changing my mind about things..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=Wj_PTqtzqro
16th Amendment prohibits taxation of the American people..
Edited by MrLuvaluva (05/28/12 08:05 AM)
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: MrLuvaluva]
#16293976 - 05/28/12 08:17 AM (11 months, 20 days ago) |
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Interesting. Yeah theres several ex IRS agents on youtube claiming the income tax is not legitimate in the US.
Here in UK we are just raped on everything. One of the worst ones is inflation - the hidden tax. Its estimated at 15% and even from 8% - 25% If you assume its 15% anyone with savings in the bank (probably getting 1-3% interest) is losing approx 13% every year. We are taxed in every possible way you can imagine. Some blatent & some hidden.
I think theres an economic war going on. Its a method of supressing the majority of the populace. Only the super rich and elite remain at the top and everyone else lives pay check to pay check. destruction of the middle class and essentially destruction of your competitors and free market in the process. Leaving people more willing to work for less in crapper jobs. Inequality leads to higher crime rates so its not good for society at all, its only good for the rich who are often people in power too and some of those people can get laws passes or ammended. Its croney capitolism.
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: nice1]
#16293988 - 05/28/12 08:27 AM (11 months, 20 days ago) |
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: MrLuvaluva]
#16294048 - 05/28/12 08:55 AM (11 months, 20 days ago) |
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MrLuvaluva said:
I ain't ignoring you bud, do you have a link to this info..
Lol...you need a link to the us code? Sure:
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/26/6151
As far as the cases go...you could try a google search...I get my cases from westlaw, but that costs a lot of money, so I doubt you're a member...You could always go to a local law library and look it up...it's all published right there in black and white.
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16th Amendment prohibits taxation of the American people..
lol...another nonsense argument...the 16th amendment allows direct taxation of the american people...see:
United States v. Collins, 920 F.2d 619, 629 (10th Cir. 1990)
In re Becraft, 885 F.2d 547, 548-49 (9th Cir. 1989)
Lovell v. United States, 755 F.2d 517, 518-20 (7th Cir. 1984)
Maxwell v. Internal Revenue Service, 103 A.F.T.R.2d (RIA) 2009-1571, 2009 WL 920533 (M.D. Tenn. Apr. 1, 2009)
Seriously...you should find more reliable sources...
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Rail_Gun said, "And those kids in CT deserved to die and I'm glad they're dead. I am glad that the survivors will have to "live with it" too. hahaha"
Listerine said, "i want genocide for most of africa"
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: Enlil] 1
#16294056 - 05/28/12 08:58 AM (11 months, 20 days ago) |
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Id like to look into this but can't be fucked rite now...
wonder why the IRS agents were making those statements? How old is the law?
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: nice1]
#16294097 - 05/28/12 09:32 AM (11 months, 20 days ago) |
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nice1 said:
How old is the law?
Many, many decades...The Internal Revenue Code (otherwise known as title 26 of the United States Code) was originally passed in 1939...there was another major code act of 1954 and another in 1986...the code is huge and changes every year...What specific changes were made to that particular section in what years, I couldn't tell you without a lot of work, but you can rest assured that it has required the payment of income taxes for decades...
As far as that tax agent who flipped...it's hard to say what his motivations are...he tried to make some money off it, but that doesn't seem to be the driving force behind a lot of tax protesters...I suspect that he just got lost in the many websites created by tax protesters...
The truth about his theory and theories like his is that they invariably lead to jail and/or penalties for people who follow them. No court has ever held that taxes were voluntary or that the 16th amendment was improperly ratified...
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Fuck the Amish
Rail_Gun said, "And those kids in CT deserved to die and I'm glad they're dead. I am glad that the survivors will have to "live with it" too. hahaha"
Listerine said, "i want genocide for most of africa"
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: Enlil] 1
#16294222 - 05/28/12 10:29 AM (11 months, 20 days ago) |
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There most certainly is a ruling elite in the US. Look at the political dynasties for a start. It's been proven now that a small elite controls the money supply. See this study http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg21228354.500-revealed--the-capitalist-network-that-runs-the-world.html
Whoever controls the money controls the world.
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: newusernewmind]
#16294232 - 05/28/12 10:33 AM (11 months, 20 days ago) |
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Nice  
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: Enlil]
#16294265 - 05/28/12 10:41 AM (11 months, 20 days ago) |
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I did end up googlin it and i'm still not satisfied lol... sorry pal haha
I demand satisfaction! LOLOL
Edited by MrLuvaluva (05/28/12 10:47 AM)
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: MrLuvaluva]
#16294284 - 05/28/12 10:46 AM (11 months, 20 days ago) |
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So basically theres no law requiring them to FILE a tax return
but there is a law requie them to pay taxes 
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: nice1]
#16294298 - 05/28/12 10:49 AM (11 months, 20 days ago) |
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I just edited that last post as i double copied the same vid, check the interview with cohen! scumbag!
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: LittleDipster]
#16294363 - 05/28/12 11:11 AM (11 months, 20 days ago) |
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: MrLuvaluva]
#16294476 - 05/28/12 11:48 AM (11 months, 20 days ago) |
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nice1 said:
Interesting. Yeah theres several ex IRS agents on youtube claiming the income tax is not legitimate in the US.
several people claiming to have worked for the IRS, I have a tax attorney
that spent 20 years with the IRS, his job is now to ensure that they get
the smallest amount due to them. if there were some way out of paying then
I'm sure he'd have pointed it out, I'm sure Leona Helmsley would have not
been jailed for tax evasion
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MrLuvaluva said:
America is literally owned by Israel, they give billions every year to them when they are broke... Some other interesting facts, on 7/7 at the London bombings, an Israeli company owned and operated all the CCTV cameras in London where the bombings took place and they weren't recording that day, on 9/11 Israeli men were found videoing the attrocity and dancing with joy, we still never found out what happened to the trucks found containing explosives beside the state dept. What i heard was 3 or 4 (if i remember right) Israeli's were detained and they happened to be agents and were sent back to Israel... Weird don't you think?
where's the video of the israelis dancing with joy while filming on 9/11?
as for 7/7, I think it's not so weird that you didnt bother to look past the conspiracy claims
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/cctv-reveals-calm-preparations-of-77-bombers-2105513.html
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/145631-cctv-shows-7-7-bombers-london-trip
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/cctv-shows-77-terrorist-fixing-bomb-in-kings-cross-station-6524719.html
IPSOTEK, a firm owned by a russian man; Dr Sergio Velastin; is the one that operates the CCTV on the london underground
http://www.ipsotek.com/
here's some footage of the supposedly non existent video
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there are 923 words in the english language that do not follow the "I before E"
rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: nice1]
#16294508 - 05/28/12 11:58 AM (11 months, 20 days ago) |
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nice1 said:
So basically theres no law requiring them to FILE a tax return
but there is a law requie them to pay taxes
there is a law requiring people in the US to file their tax return
here it is simply put
http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/JustNoLaw.htm
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there are 923 words in the english language that do not follow the "I before E"
rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: MrLuvaluva] 1
#16294632 - 05/28/12 12:33 PM (11 months, 20 days ago) |
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MrLuvaluva said:
I did end up googlin it and i'm still not satisfied lol... sorry pal haha
I demand satisfaction! LOLOL
I predicted you would react this way...
When someone wants to believe something, they're going to believe it despite all of the proof to the contrary...
You clearly didn't read the cases I cited. Time and again, it has been made clear by the courts that filing a return and paying taxes is mandatory....time and again, people have gone to jail for refusing to pay taxes...
These people truly believed, like you believe, that there is no law requiring someone to pay taxes...they're in jail because they were wrong...
You asked for a law that requires someone to pay taxes, I quoted it and linked it...I gave you citations to cases (which, by the way, are law)...your rebuttal? A link to the same lying source that you originally got the information from.
This is the very essence of the typical conspiracy theorist process.
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Listerine said, "i want genocide for most of africa"
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: Enlil] 2
#16294768 - 05/28/12 01:08 PM (11 months, 20 days ago) |
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I think the pope is ruler of it all.
I saw a documentary that went inside the vatican and its all acres of gold and jewels. They said 'asking how much money the pope has is an impossible question to answer' and then it hit me...THE POPE IS MONEY...THE POPE IS THE EVIL RULER OF THIS WORLD
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#16295134 - 05/28/12 02:22 PM (11 months, 20 days ago) |
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nice1 said:
Interesting. Yeah theres several ex IRS agents on youtube claiming the income tax is not legitimate in the US.
several people claiming to have worked for the IRS, I have a tax attorney
that spent 20 years with the IRS, his job is now to ensure that they get
the smallest amount due to them. if there were some way out of paying then
I'm sure he'd have pointed it out, I'm sure Leona Helmsley would have not
been jailed for tax evasion
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MrLuvaluva said:
America is literally owned by Israel, they give billions every year to them when they are broke... Some other interesting facts, on 7/7 at the London bombings, an Israeli company owned and operated all the CCTV cameras in London where the bombings took place and they weren't recording that day, on 9/11 Israeli men were found videoing the attrocity and dancing with joy, we still never found out what happened to the trucks found containing explosives beside the state dept. What i heard was 3 or 4 (if i remember right) Israeli's were detained and they happened to be agents and were sent back to Israel... Weird don't you think?
where's the video of the israelis dancing with joy while filming on 9/11?
as for 7/7, I think it's not so weird that you didnt bother to look past the conspiracy claims
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/cctv-reveals-calm-preparations-of-77-bombers-2105513.html
http://www.metro.co.uk/news/145631-cctv-shows-7-7-bombers-london-trip
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/cctv-shows-77-terrorist-fixing-bomb-in-kings-cross-station-6524719.html
IPSOTEK, a firm owned by a russian man; Dr Sergio Velastin; is the one that operates the CCTV on the london underground
http://www.ipsotek.com/
here's some footage of the supposedly non existent video
Well as far as i'm concerned, If carlsberg made Jews then Aaron Russo would be it.... One in a million that guy.... I believe him and the many thousands of anti tax protesters, at the end of the day i don't pay tax so IDGAFF, but it pisses me off that others do.... When there is no feckin need!
(the dancin Israeli's)
It's in there somewhere on utube, i have actually seen it... the fuckers dancin about like muppets while the buidings are on fire in the background and they are pure celebratin like fuck!.... The camera's owned by Isreali company, I mean greater london, all these pics are in the actual tube stations etc, these men coulda been tracked to source but they just randomly appear at the targets, and coincidentally UK was doin a drill much like what happened on 9/11 with exactly the same terror scenario, trains and buses... Isn't it feasible these men were part of the drill and given backpacks thinking it was fake explosives? (the terror drill)Thats too much of a coincidence IMO..
Edited by MrLuvaluva (05/28/12 02:50 PM)
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: MrLuvaluva]
#16295286 - 05/28/12 02:52 PM (11 months, 20 days ago) |
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MrLuvaluva said:
I believe him and the many thousands of anti tax protesters, at the end of the day i don't pay tax so IDGAFF, but it pisses me off that others do.... When there is no feckin need!
Lol...So, a licensed attorney gives you cites and links to ACTUAL AMERICAN LAW, and you choose to believe some dude with youtube videos...That's rational.
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Fuck the Amish
Rail_Gun said, "And those kids in CT deserved to die and I'm glad they're dead. I am glad that the survivors will have to "live with it" too. hahaha"
Listerine said, "i want genocide for most of africa"
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