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 Enlil
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 Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite?  [Re: treesniper119]
#16355844 - 06/09/12 01:33 PM (11 months, 4 days ago) |
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That's the entire source? It's pretty weak. First, it's clearly hearsay...and weak hearsay at that...
Second, and most importantly, Mr. Russo is saying this AFTER 9/11...if he had recorded this BEFORE 9/11, I would think that was much, much more damning...but it really strains credibility to believe that he was told all of this and kept it a secret...this was a politically active guy.
Finally, I am very concerned about his profit motive. He was preparing and promoting a movie..this seems just like the kind of thing that one would make up to get publicity for such an endeavor.
Surely, you must have another source...This is hearsay from a guy who can't be cross-examined...without more, I can't really buy your claim at this point.
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: treesniper119]
#16356334 - 06/09/12 03:44 PM (11 months, 4 days ago) |
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We all become enslaved to our nation this year, maybe WW3 (which we are kinda already in it, we're just in the beginning, feeling the birth pangs of the new born war that is being fulfilled right now)
What is your source that WW3 is happening now? Do you have a link?
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: Enlil]
#16356387 - 06/09/12 04:00 PM (11 months, 4 days ago) |
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Nope that's it, take it or leave it, also there is a lot of things that you probably see everyday yet you do not see it because you don't realize. What about freemasons, and the illumanati? The massive amount of symbolism that is portrayed in our everyday society so openly? The rothschild & rockefeller merging together now? For the greater peace of the world? Novus ordo seclorum bro. Right on the back of the dollar bill, or the owl (research bohemian grove) that is located on the back of the dollar, or the rothschild family crest on the front of the dollar. If you don't believe me, check out some of the things I've mentioned in this post, its more then enough to keep me on edge, when considering how powerful and deep this plan of the ruling elites is. (If their is such a thing  )
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: treesniper119]
#16356415 - 06/09/12 04:06 PM (11 months, 4 days ago) |
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None of that supports your theory that the bilderberg group is about world domination...Just look at it this way
Evidence that they are trying to solve the world's problems:
1. That's what they claim
Evidence that they are trying trying to dominate the world:
1. One guy claims that another guy once told him about a plan.
So far, that's all the evidence presented in this thread..now, there may be much more out there...and I haven't put a detective on it or anything...so I only have these two pieces of evidence in front of me...
Now, given those two pieces of evidence alone, which would you believe?
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Fuck the Amish
Rail_Gun said, "And those kids in CT deserved to die and I'm glad they're dead. I am glad that the survivors will have to "live with it" too. hahaha"
Listerine said, "i want genocide for most of africa"
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: treesniper119]
#16356430 - 06/09/12 04:11 PM (11 months, 4 days ago) |
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Why RFID chip the masses then? starting with passports, then drivers license, then you.... why is ObamaCare being implemented when the majority of citizens, doctors, etc. were against it? A government mandate to put a chip in your hand that can be used for any type of data gathering deemed necessary by the government who installs it.
If something sinister is coming, if something (evil shadow government etc.) is meticulously planning and plotting, i believe we have been warned.
Between RFID Chips, martial law, the current economic crisis, the federal reserve and its ties to rockefeller/rothschild/bilderberg, NDAA, war on terror (non existent), weapons of mass destruction (blatantly lied to get into iraq war, weapons not found), and the trilateral commission, and the plethora of viruses/plague/epidemic that have been remade and patented. Why do we need the black plague? Oh that's right, to use it on other countries, or worse, our own citizens.
With all this Elitist planning, we should be the best off, most safest, most wealthy, peaceful country in the world?
Why do you believe that claim they make again?
Are you so blind to reality and the things that are happening around you right now?
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: treesniper119]
#16356462 - 06/09/12 04:18 PM (11 months, 4 days ago) |
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Why do you have to inject all kinds of unrelated stuff? how does any of this connect to the bilderberg group? You claimed that they were the ruling elite, and you added that they knew about 9/11 before it happened...
Those claims have been supported, so far, only by some very weak and unrealistic hearsay. If you have more that supports those claims, then I'm all ears (eyes).
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Fuck the Amish
Rail_Gun said, "And those kids in CT deserved to die and I'm glad they're dead. I am glad that the survivors will have to "live with it" too. hahaha"
Listerine said, "i want genocide for most of africa"
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: jordman]
#16356481 - 06/09/12 04:21 PM (11 months, 4 days ago) |
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Anyone wanting to know more stuff, just google the strings 'bilderberg group' or 'rothschild family' or 'CIA drugs'. You'll find a lot of shit you may not have known
2 piles of nonsense with something legitimate trying to add credibility to
the nonsense. if we'd focus on the real conspiracies instead of the bullshit
such as a rothschild/bilderberger/911/global elite/chemtrails conspiracy
something may actually get done
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: Prisoner#1]
#16356520 - 06/09/12 04:29 PM (11 months, 4 days ago) |
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Yeah your right pris, what was i thinking? The Rothschild family crest is in the top right corner of the dollar bill, with a little owl, also the symbol of baphomet in the back left corner....hmmmm the rothschilds.... they have ties with the corrupt federal reserve, we as a nation are worse off then we ever have been... did i miss something? Seems like a lot of stuff is connected even if it is not evident to your blind eyes.
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: treesniper119]
#16356579 - 06/09/12 04:45 PM (11 months, 4 days ago) |
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treesniper119 said:
What about freemasons,
According to my personal observations and the observations of a close friend who grew up living in a masonic temple, they sit around and play cards and drink gin all day.
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and the illumanati?
They haven't existed for over 100 years.
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The massive amount of symbolism that is portrayed in our everyday society so openly?
People like symbols. That isn't evidence that someone is part of the ruling elite.
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The rothschild & rockefeller merging together now?
Companies merge. I don't have any issues with it as long as there are no antitrust problems.
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or the owl (research bohemian grove) that is located on the back of the dollar
I have spoken to several people this year who have been inside the bohemian grove for various events. They do a lot of odd things there, but it is more about homosexuality than world domination.
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when considering how powerful and deep this plan of the ruling elites is. (If their is such a thing )
What kind of things do you suspect that the ruling elite has done?
I am sure the Rockefellers and Rothchilds have made a lot of money, but they haven't done anything sinister that has any effect on my life as far as I can tell.
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Why RFID chip the masses then? starting with passports, then drivers license, then you....
Have you ever tried to take inventory at a place like walmart, or a large warehouse? The RFID's in a passport are a security feature - If it doesn't have one, they take a closer look at it. Same with the drivers license. RFID's are the least of my worries - If you don't like it you can wrap your passport/license in tinfoil, or get a RFID blocking wallet/passport holder.
It makes no sense to worry about RFID chips when the majority of Americans are voluntarily carrying around an accurate tracking device at all times. (cell phone). RFID chips can only be read from a few feet away - cell phones are tracked everywhere they can get service.
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why is ObamaCare being implemented when the majority of citizens, doctors, etc. were against it?
Because health care reform is one of Obama's major goals.
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A government mandate to put a chip in your hand that can be used for any type of data gathering deemed necessary by the government who installs it.
The video does not say anything about a government mandate to put a chip in your hand, and no such mandate exists, and no such mandate will ever exist.
Is that video really the source of your assertion that they are going to mandate chips in our hands?
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If something sinister is coming, if something (evil shadow government etc.) is meticulously planning and plotting, i believe we have been warned.
It appears as though you are mistaking ordinary government and technological advancement as something sinister.
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Are you so blind to reality and the things that are happening around you right now?
It isn't about being blind to reality - its about correctly interpreting the things you are seeing. Take off your blinders - the world isn't out to get you!
The world has plenty of problems (war, poverty, disease, lack of access to clean water), but you are ignoring the actual problems and instead focusing on doomsday/conspiricy scenarios that will never happen.
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: treesniper119]
#16356664 - 06/09/12 05:05 PM (11 months, 4 days ago) |
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Well we are in the conspiracy section now aren't we? And isn't the focus and title of this thread called "DO YOU BELIEVE THERE IS A RULING ELITE"
I have heard from multiple news sources the word "Illuminati" briefly popping up in news reports, why do many media outlets touch on something like the Illuminati, if its not relevant, its over a 100 years old right?
How would you know what they do or do not do at the higher levels of cults and secret society.... I have read otherwise from ex members that we're very high up, and its very sinister, black magic, sacrifices, sexual rituals....like Bohemian Grove & the homosexuality, and the cremation of care, and the clucluxclan like red robes all of our gay presidents and world leaders get up in annually? Time magazine did a full spread after Alex Jones revealed what was going on there...damage control? yup... media controlled by them (check)
Walmart can use Serial Numbers and UPC codes. Never been a problem in the past. Invasion of privacy.
They're just the signs of the end times of our old world/civilization. Thats all.
Why did bush senior give a speech on the "new world order" if its not real? Freemasons/Illuminati I don't really care what you call this group of elite's. They exist, to deny the events that have taken place in history is to deny the truth. Retrospection is always 20/20.
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: treesniper119]
#16356691 - 06/09/12 05:12 PM (11 months, 4 days ago) |
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Yeah your right pris, what was i thinking? The Rothschild family crest is in the top right corner of the dollar bill, with a little owl, also the symbol of baphomet in the back left corner....hmmmm the rothschilds.... they have ties with the corrupt federal reserve, we as a nation are worse off then we ever have been... did i miss something? Seems like a lot of stuff is connected even if it is not evident to your blind eyes.
I've never seen this on the dollar bill, I suspect you're just taking the
word of others without actually researching it yourself, maybe you need to
show us baphomet on the dollar because I certainly dont see it
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there are 923 words in the english language that do not follow the "I before E"
rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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Alan Rockefeller said:
I have spoken to several people this year who have been inside the bohemian grove for various events. They do a lot of odd things there, but it is more about homosexuality than world domination.
it's roll play for the wealthy, I believe even Nixon came out to say the BG crowd was 'a bunch of faggots'
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there are 923 words in the english language that do not follow the "I before E"
rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: treesniper119]
#16356733 - 06/09/12 05:22 PM (11 months, 4 days ago) |
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I have heard from multiple news sources the word "Illuminati" briefly popping up in news reports, why do many media outlets touch on something like the Illuminati, if its not relevant, its over a 100 years old right?
Is there a particular illuminati story from a news outlet that you find compelling? If so, can you post a link to it?
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How would you know what they do or do not do at the higher levels of cults and secret society....
Absence of negative effects is one clue that they aren't doing anything that we should be concerned about.
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black magic, sacrifices, sexual rituals, ...like Bohemian Grove & the homosexuality, and the cremation of care, and the clucluxclan
Sounds like entertainment for bored adults, not some kind of plot.
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Walmart can use Serial Numbers and UPC codes. Never been a problem in the past. Invasion of privacy.
How are RFID tags an invasion of privacy? Even if RFID tags do invade privacy, don't you think cell phones are thousands of times more likely to be used to invade your privacy?
If it was your job to take inventory in a wallmart store, you would want RFID tags on all items. Otherwise you need to physically scan every box, which would be a huge expensive job even for a team of inventory people.
RFID's are short range devices and they are extremely easy to defeat. You can fry them in a microwave, or switch the RFID tags in your shoes with the RFID tags in your friends shoes, or collect as many RFID tags as you can and affix them to stray dogs.
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They're just the signs of the end times of our old world/civilization. Thats all.
People have been predicting that the end of times is near for as long as civilization has been in existence. They have always been wrong. Given peoples dismal track record for predicting the end of the world, I don't think its coming within any of our lifetimes.
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Why did bush senior give a speech on the "new world order" if its not real?
Neocons like that kind of stuff. I don't consider it to be a problem.
I think we can agree that the old world order had some serious issues, so talking about changing to a new world order doesn't sound unreasonable.
I pretty much always ignore the government whenever possible, which is 99.99% of the time. So I don't particularly care which set of assholes is in charge or what they call it.
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Freemasons/Illuminati I don't really care what you call this group of elite's. They exist, to deny the events that have taken place in history is to deny the truth. Retrospection is always 20/20.
What have Freemasons/Illuminati done over the past 100 years that you disagree with?
Also you still haven't provided any evidence for your claims that WWIII has started or that the government mandated that we all put RFID chips in our hands.
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: treesniper119]
#16356757 - 06/09/12 05:25 PM (11 months, 4 days ago) |
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treesniper119 said:
I have heard from multiple news sources the word "Illuminati" briefly popping up in news reports, why do many media outlets touch on something like the Illuminati, if its not relevant, its over a 100 years old right?
surely those news sources could be accessed via google and youtube
hook us up, make us believers
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Why did bush senior give a speech on the "new world order" if its not real?
just because someone wants to take something ominous from a speech doesnt mean the speech is about what they believe it is
here's that section of the speech, I see nothing ominous, nothing about the
illuminati or a secret group ruling the world, hell, why would someone give
it away in a carefully prepared speech in a national address?
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The consequences of the conflict in the Gulf reach far beyond the confines of the Middle East. Twice before in this century, an entire world was convulsed by war. Twice this century, out of the horrors of war hope emerged for enduring peace. Twice before, those hopes proved to be a distant dream, beyond the grasp of man.
Until now, the world we’ve known has been a world divided – a world of barbed wire and concrete block, conflict and cold war.
Now, we can see a new world coming into view. A world in which there is the very real prospect of a new world order. In the words of Winston Churchill, a "world order" in which "the principles of justice and fair play ... protect the weak against the strong ..." A world where the United Nations, freed from cold war stalemate, is poised to fulfil the historic vision of its founders. A world in which freedom and respect for human rights find a home among all nations.
he Gulf war put this new world to its first test, and, my fellow Americans, we passed that test.
For the sake of our principles, for the sake of the Kuwaiti people, we stood our ground. Because the world would not look the other way, Ambassador [Saud Nasir] al-Sabah, to-night, Kuwait is free.
Tonight as our troops begin to come home, let us recognise that the hard work of freedom still calls us forward. We’ve learned the hard lessons of history. The victory over Iraq was not waged as "a war to end all wars." Even the new world order cannot guarantee an era of perpetual peace. But enduring peace must be our mission ...
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Freemasons/Illuminati I don't really care what you call this group of elite's. They exist, to deny the events that have taken place in history is to deny the truth. Retrospection is always 20/20.
freemasons, yes they exist, I know a number of them, yes, history has taken
place, there have been many events and there certainly isnt any denying
that and that certainly is the truth. claiming that freemasns are driving
history for some goal or another, that's when it starts getting a little
ridiculous, pointing out a coincidence such as some president or another
being a mason, well again, that doesnt mean the organization is driving
those decisions
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the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: treesniper119]
#16357038 - 06/09/12 06:34 PM (11 months, 4 days ago) |
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So we have presidents, CEO's and the most famous and powerful men in this country attending a (homosexual) ritualistic ceremony, not worshiping the creator YHWH, but a giant false diety named Moloch in the shape of the totem owl, the same owl that is on the dollar bill in the top right corner on the baphomet moon/ rothschild family crest, along with all the other freemason stuff, more baphomet images, skull and bones, its all there. Secret society, hidden symbolism. You know the founding fathers were freemasons? If we started a country, and had our own click makin the rules, with hidden symbols, handshakes, meetings, goals, etc. I wouldn't give it up. Why would they?
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: treesniper119]
#16357065 - 06/09/12 06:43 PM (11 months, 4 days ago) |
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not worshiping the creator YHWH, but a giant false diety named Moloch in the shape of the totem owl
Here's the core of the problem...treesniper believes in one fictional creator and resents that someone else might worship a different fictional creator.
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Rail_Gun said, "And those kids in CT deserved to die and I'm glad they're dead. I am glad that the survivors will have to "live with it" too. hahaha"
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: Enlil]
#16357098 - 06/09/12 06:52 PM (11 months, 4 days ago) |
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Enlil said:
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treesniper119 said:
not worshiping the creator YHWH, but a giant false diety named Moloch in the shape of the totem owl
Here's the core of the problem...treesniper believes in one fictional creator and resents that someone else might worship a different fictional creator.
No, the core of the problem is that our country, according to history itself, was supposed to be founded by god fearing men, christian men, not totem owl false deities, in gay ritualistic sacrificial ceremonies. You sound awfully condescending enlil.
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: treesniper119]
#16357109 - 06/09/12 06:54 PM (11 months, 4 days ago) |
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No, the core of the problem is that our country, according to history itself, was supposed to be founded by god fearing men, christian men, not totem owl false deities, in gay ritualistic sacrificial ceremonies. You sound awfully condescending enlil.
incorrect.
FREEDOM OF RELIGION also means freedom from religion
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rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
for education to keep making students stupid
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: treesniper119]
#16357131 - 06/09/12 07:01 PM (11 months, 4 days ago) |
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You don't stand for something you'll fall for anything enli\
Meanwhile, stop being a fence riding, argumentative, arrogant condescending poster.
I have presented evidence that our presidents and other leaders of our nation (a lot of who are all related by family) meet regularly, practice in pagan ritualistic ceremonies,
i have presented videos of our presidents using high degree "mason hand shakes",
and I have presented proof that there are mason & pagan symbolism all over the dollar.
Now relating it all back to the original topic, Do you believe there is a ruling elite? Do you have any doubts given the presented evidence?
I have some doubts about them, their positions of power, and the current state we are in as a nation.
So what religion are our leaders? Everytime they have been interviewed they claim Christianity, yet they are clearly lying to us aren't they prisoner #1?
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Re: Do you believe there is a ruling elite? [Re: treesniper119]
#16357191 - 06/09/12 07:16 PM (11 months, 4 days ago) |
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So we have presidents, CEO's and the most famous and powerful men in this country attending a (homosexual) ritualistic ceremony, not worshiping the creator YHWH, but a giant false diety named Moloch in the shape of the totem owl, the same owl that is on the dollar bill in the top right corner on the baphomet moon/ rothschild family crest, along with all the other freemason stuff, more baphomet images, skull and bones, its all there. Secret society, hidden symbolism. You know the founding fathers were freemasons? If we started a country, and had our own click makin the rules, with hidden symbols, handshakes, meetings, goals, etc. I wouldn't give it up. Why would they?
What is wrong with that? Our leaders can worship whatever they want and I don't mind if some of our leaders do homosexual things in the woods. I do have some insight into what goes on at the Bohemian Grove - Some of it is homosexual but 99% of the time it involves drinking alcohol at an exclusive retreat. It isn't actually very hard to sneak in there at all. It is a large property out in the woods, with poorly constructed fences to keep people out. The Bohemian Grove has a large number of employees, caterers, campground hosts, etc. The locals who live nearby usually know several people employed there, and the goings-on don't actually remain much of a secret.
Some of the founders of the US were christain, others were aethiest, who cares. It would be fine with me if they worship satan to get a sense of spiritual fulfillment.
If our leaders want to meet in secret and discuss things with CEO's and other business leaders (Bilderburg), they have that right, and I am fine with that.
Regarding the 3 videos you posted, which parts do you find credible and disturbing?
Are you going to tell us why you think WWIII has started? When you make claims like that, it is difficult to take your other claims seriously.
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So what religion are our leaders? Everytime they have been interviewed they claim Christianity, yet they are clearly lying to us aren't they prisoner #1?
Barak Obama is a christian, though I don't get the feeling that he is that into religion in general.
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