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#16243289 - 05/17/12 01:52 AM (1 year, 5 days ago) |
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what are your thoughts on it? i wouldn't kill an animal or buy it, but if it's already in the house because of some family member it seems like it'd be more disrespectful just to throw it out.
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If you want to be a vegetarian then be one. If you don't then don't.
Don't let anyone judge you or tell you that it's right or wrong because it's not.
Humans evolved eating meat. We have canine front teeth. So what? Maybe future people will consider our front teeth to be a vestigial organ like the appendix. Maybe not.
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I've read and seen a lot of the negative effects that excessive meat in one's diet can cause. For example when I was doing research on Alzheimer's one suggested cause of the disease was a build up of "residue" from meat proteins in the brain. Proteins in meat have also shown the ability to damage the walls of veins and arteries which allows plaque to grow more easily. Meat also works your digestive system much harder then veggies. It is suggested that eating a diet heavy in meat can slow recovery of kidney, gall bladder, and liver injuries/infections. The biggest problem seems to be that there just isn't as many nutrients in meat as there is in fruit and vegetables. So people with diets heavy in fat and meat will see more of their negativity than those who limit the daily intake of meat (obviously). The last study I have heard says that a person with over 20% of their diet consisting of meat will likely experience the downsides. The same study said that ideally a person should include 5% of meat or less in their diet in order to avoid all the negative effects related to it. Just as well when you do eat meat the leaner and lighter it is the better.
Based on my knowledge I highly doubt that an occasional turkey sandwich is gonna hurt you OP. Its the overwhelming amount of meat and lack of fruits and vegetables that are causing problems in people today. Sounds like you're not in the same boat.
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I've found that not eating meat really helps my meditation. I don't notice the difference if I have very small amounts. I've been avoiding meat and animal products for this reason. The other night, I went to dinner with my folks and decided what the hell, I'll have the seafood platter. Felt fine all night, slept fine. Went to meditation in the morning, and my body was SO uncomfortable, and I had the strangest, strongest pressure in the top of my head that kind hurt. I figured out by the end of the session how to equalize this pressure by breathing up and down my spine into my cranium. It was kinda cool, but really illustrated to me why it is best for me to avoid meat and animal products.
No wonder so many people have such a hard time meditating!
edit- I would also expand this to how I feel towards other people and myself throughout the day. I've been working on generating love and compassion towards all. I find that a diet low in meats,animal products, fats, and starches helps me with this.
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I've read and seen a lot of the negative effects that excessive meat in one's diet can cause.
That's funny, I've done the exact same thing with a vegetarian diet.
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just purchased one of those insta-meal-in-a-box things with chicken in it. makes me feel kind of guilty. i'm not just in it for the health reasons, i dislike the idea of being consumed myself so why would i eat the meat of another animal? i try to do it sparingly and consume veggies and nuts instead, but my idea as far as the morality of it goes is that it'd be more disrespectful to the animal to just throw it's meat in the garbage can than to recycle it into my body.
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Sounds like a lot of theory. How about personal experience? What does your body and intuition tell you? What feels most comfortable to eat on psychedelics? Why do you think this is?
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a vegetarian diet with protein from milk and assorted nuts seems to be the way to go. some fish oil for your amino acids. it's suggested even by the "professionals" that if you eat red meat the serving size should be the size of a deck of cards, while you have these folks choking down 16 oz steaks on a regular basis. 
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This is a tricky issue for me.
When I had my first experiences with LSD and mushrooms, and became interested in Buddhism and Hinduism, I made an effort to be vegetarian, because in my Buddhist Sangha I was constantly talking about "benefiting all sentient beings," and how can you possibly do that if you are eating several of them every day? I was vegetarian on and off for about two years, including a period of veganism. I became very physically and mentally flexible in that time, but I don't think I took enough care to get good protein sources and to eat a lot of vegetables.
I later abandoned the spiritual path, and also abandoned vegetarianism. Actually, they seemed to occur kind of simultaneously, and I think eating meat precipitated a move away, for me, from spiritual practices and study.
Now, I am reanalyzing my meat-eating. I don't want to exploit animals to the same degree that I have been. I think the mass production of animals for consumption causes suffering on a massive scale, for the humans who work in the industry as well as for the animals, and it has grave effects on the environment, as well.
For this reason, I'm trying to scale back my consumption of animal products and limit myself to eating smaller quantities, and choosing organic poultry, fish, eggs, milk, and cheese, local if possible, and occasionally some organic, grass-fed beef or buffalo. Meanwhile, I'm trying to eat a lot more vegetables, and more fruits as well. It seems to be really good for my overall well-being, and it is coinciding with a new spark of interest in spirituality and self-realization.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: Lion]
#16244456 - 05/17/12 12:01 PM (1 year, 4 days ago) |
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it's very cruel. most of the meat you buy in the stores is from animals that were treated like products on a conveyer belt. it's sickening. if it's dead already i'm eating it, but i don't want their blood on my hands. it's so fucked, people should just return to growing their own fucking food. fuck grocery stores
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: birdland]
#16244622 - 05/17/12 12:43 PM (1 year, 4 days ago) |
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but the problem is most people in urban areas can't afford to grow gardens for lack of space to grow or funds or things of that sort. it's sorrow. i fucking hate it. the only reason preservatives get put in food is so the can ship it from like tennessee to washinton for business. STUPID AS HELL. get seeds, grow a garden. buy some chickens. eat their eggs. that's protein. wait for it to die naturally, find the good meat and eat that. cook it to kill the germs. it's so simple, the grocery store thing is an epidemic
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Everyone CAN afford to pay for non-factory farmed food, they just delude themselves into thinking that they can't. Food costs are nothing here compared to the rest of the world.
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I've been a vegetarian for two years now for a lot of different reasons. factory farming is totally fucked for one. turkeys have been genetically modified to have their breast so large that they can't even mate anymore. they have to be artificially inseminated. and factory farming does more damage to the environment than the automobile industry. not to mention the fact that they treat the animals like shit and have them in cramped quarters for the entire span of their miserable lives. and the grains used to feed these animals could provide enough food for the entire planet. maybe not the most nutritious diet but it's better than starving. yet for some reason i feel insecure about this bc other ppl usually think it's weird for someone to be vegetarian. i usually try not to even let ppl know that i'm vegetarian bc they tend to get defensive about it and i'm not even really judging. i don't really care what other ppl do. they should treat me with the same respect but instead i have to hear a bunch of bs like 'oh that's not healthy' or 'they're gonna die regardless it doesn't make a difference so you might as well eat it'. FUCK YOU! sorry if i don't come off as being very spiritual about the whole thing.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: mclark5215]
#16244841 - 05/17/12 01:47 PM (1 year, 4 days ago) |
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Everyone CAN afford to pay for non-factory farmed food, they just delude themselves into thinking that they can't. Food costs are nothing here compared to the rest of the world.
this
and furthermore on another point- @mclark- funny what you say cuz I've been having the same problem. I have found myself almost hiding my vegetarianism as I find that people are often threatened by the concept. I wonder why people are so threatened by it? I guess part of it is all the self righteous vegetarians who have made a bad face for those of us who aren't doing it for egoistic reasons. I think part of it is that people intuitively know that they should be, and feel that they need to defend their situation, even when it's not attacked.
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exactly the way i look at it. i just usually don't come out and say it like that bc i'm afraid that'll make me look egotistic or self-righteous as well, even though it's completely true. and if there are any meat eaters around here who think this isn't true, just tell a few ppl that you're a vegetarian when you're offered some meat without saying anything else and see what kind of reaction you get.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: Lion]
#16246854 - 05/17/12 09:23 PM (1 year, 4 days ago) |
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Lion-I think it's interesting that your spiritual zest and your zest for vegetarianism both seemed to fade around the same time. What correlation do you think is there?
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my not wanting to eat much meat is also due to a sort of spiritual thing too i guess
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"Do not stress pork [meat], alcohol or tobacco in the West. Tell them that what comes out of the mouth is far more important than what goes into it."
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excellent answer
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Lion-I think it's interesting that your spiritual zest and your zest for vegetarianism both seemed to fade around the same time. What correlation do you think is there?
All of it had to do with being lonely in my lifestyle choices and seeking acceptance from peers. I wasn't ready for the ascetic discipline that I idealized at the time.
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It is interesting for sure.
I was a vegetarian for about 2 years or so (excluding thanksgivings and christmas) and I recently went to Spain for a few months and realized I could not be a vegetarian there.
I'm back home but have not yet returned to vegetarianism. I did enjoy eating lots of meat in Spain. I mean, it is pretty tasty and they have great ham. Yet, I find myself wanting to be a vegetarian again.
Although I have deviated from a spiritual path I find that my overall well-being, how I feel, how my body feels, is lighter when I'm a vegetarian. When I eat meat regularly I am more weighed down for sure. It's hard to explain.
I haven't found eating meat to be detrimental to my health necessarily. Then again that was in Europe and since being back in the US my meat consumption is even higher than it is there. I can tell this is not healthy. If I don't go back to being a vegetarian I am definitely scaling back my eating of red meat.
I decided to abandon vegetarianism because I felt I had to. I wanted to see if eating meat was all that worse or what the deal was. I've been eating meat. I still want to be a vegetarian again though..it just feels better to me.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: halo]
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Since coincidence made me eat a vegetarian food two years ago, I seem to thrive and not even thinking for a moment to start eating meat again. Then again, vegetarian food is not necessarily healthy. French fries, macaroni and cheese and vegi pizza won't do the trick.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: cbub]
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For sure there are other health concerns about food other than whether or not it contains meat. I dated a vegan girl for a while that I'm faily convinced that she pretty much only ate french fries. That is not a healthy diet.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: halo]
#16255548 - 05/19/12 10:26 PM (1 year, 2 days ago) |
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Although I have deviated from a spiritual path I find that my overall well-being, how I feel, how my body feels, is lighter when I'm a vegetarian. When I eat meat regularly I am more weighed down for sure. It's hard to explain.
This has been my experience as well. Became a vegetarian two years ago and it definitely makes the body feel lighter, less weighed down. Foods have a big effect on one's vibrational frequency and a vegetarian diet certainly feels lighter in my experience.
The average person would dismiss the above view as "newage nonsense" so when people ask about it i usually just use the moral argument: "i don't feel it's necessary to eat animals to survive."
though that IS a part of it, i do it more for how it makes me me feel...lighter, cleaner, more connected to my inner vibration.
i don't like drinking alcohol either, as it feels even heavier than meat in my experience. it's REALLY hard to avoid though, especially if a friend is having a birthday party centered around the ritual consumption of alcohol  . I only drink in these situations to "fit in," though i wish i could avoid it altogether like i do with meat. 
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i agree too - when i switched to vegetarianism i noticed a huge lightening effect on my being - felt almost like a karmic weight was lifted off 
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: deff]
#16257152 - 05/20/12 09:26 AM (1 year, 1 day ago) |
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I accidentally had a bit of chicken last night in a chicken salad I didn't realize was a chicken salad. I decided to eat the whole portion on my plate as it would be disrespectful to the chicken to just throw it away.
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I can repsect vegetarians in the sense that they do not wish to hurt animals, or for emotional/spiritual reasons. The argument between vegetarianism and meat eating lies when people try to say it's better, or healthier.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: Titus_Pullo]
#16267370 - 05/22/12 01:34 PM (11 months, 23 days ago) |
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I can repsect vegetarians in the sense that they do not wish to hurt animals, or for emotional/spiritual reasons. The argument between vegetarianism and meat eating lies when people try to say it's better, or healthier.
A problem i run into is when someone who eats meat offers you food and you have to reject it because you're vegetarian. I've had people get legitimately offended by it. At the very least they "heavily question" your vegetarian diet, or even worse, mock or make fun of it.
Some people automatically act like you're "looking down on them" for eating meat, even though you aren't. For me, that's the hardest part about being vegetarian.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: resonant111]
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I usually act a fool and make fun of myself in such situation. Like 'you know there always has to be someone complicating, don't you just hate it?' and then they are all like.. oh, it's no problem, it's alright, instead of being offended.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: cbub]
#16267801 - 05/22/12 03:18 PM (11 months, 23 days ago) |
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this past week i've eaten more meat than i have in months, and it was all in sandwich form. my grandparents buy the food around here, and it was already there, so i figured "what would happen if i didn't eat it?" it would just get thrown out. total waste
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Factory farming sucks and because of it I eat little meat. I'm not against meat in theory, and free range stuff is fine by me.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#16267996 - 05/22/12 03:58 PM (11 months, 23 days ago) |
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everyone used to have a garden in their backyard
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when's the last time you saw a fruit tree growing wildly
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I'm as good as dead. Every living thing is as good as dead. If you can't eat it or fuck it, kill it. If I can't eat any more large bleeding steaks, please kill me.
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You've thoroughly blown their mind. And now I must have passage on the lines To the veins from your heart. You're not invisible, now. You just don't exist. Your mother must be so proud. You sublimate yourself, drowning us of rich, primitive mirror on the wall, to fortify your grim resolve. And made the glitz of a shopping mall another grain of indigent salt to the sea. Go back to this wretched form
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: resonant111]
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I can repsect vegetarians in the sense that they do not wish to hurt animals, or for emotional/spiritual reasons. The argument between vegetarianism and meat eating lies when people try to say it's better, or healthier.
A problem i run into is when someone who eats meat offers you food and you have to reject it because you're vegetarian. I've had people get legitimately offended by it. At the very least they "heavily question" your vegetarian diet, or even worse, mock or make fun of it.
Some people automatically act like you're "looking down on them" for eating meat, even though you aren't. For me, that's the hardest part about being vegetarian.
YOu have another similar post where you excessively worry about what others think of your life choices. You are concerned that they won't like you or approve of you. Do you really want to have friends like this. Your whole life will be acting out while others pull the strings. We all do it unfortunately but one can learn to minimize it.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: cbub]
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You've thoroughly blown their mind. And now I must have passage on the lines To the veins from your heart. You're not invisible, now. You just don't exist. Your mother must be so proud. You sublimate yourself, drowning us of rich, primitive mirror on the wall, to fortify your grim resolve. And made the glitz of a shopping mall another grain of indigent salt to the sea. Go back to this wretched form
-the shins
Those are some awesome lyrics, I've never heard the shins.
I don't believe that scientists on nutritionism know what they are talking about, nutrition can become a sick, worthless religion. I feel empathy for plants that get hurt and abjects that get broken, what makes an animal more important? fact is that life feeds on life and that hurts. Now I fully support vegetarianism for those who find it easy and natural, thats your path, but if its a pain in the ass then it not for you. Ideology of laziness maybe.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: White Beard]
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOvwc8_QXiY
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: resonant111]
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funny coincidence. icelander unintentionally got this track stuck in my head a while back and now here it is lol. damn you! let the rabbits wear glasses!
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I agree with that, and killing seems to be the name of the game to keep evolution going. However, I find something very disturbing about the way we treat animals in factory farms and try to distance myself from this as much as possible. At least give what we eat a chance to see the sun and run around a bit, yea know.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: resonant111]
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www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOvwc8_QXiY
ahh, i fucking love that track!
used to listen to Tool high as hell back in the day...that track creeped me out everytime it came on
Fuck yeah man. My friend showed it to me when I was high, I closed my eyes and it felt like I was approaching my doom. Weird stuff.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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I agree with that, and killing seems to be the name of the game to keep evolution going. However, I find something very disturbing about the way we treat animals in factory farms and try to distance myself from this as much as possible. At least give what we eat a chance to see the sun and run around a bit, yea know.
haha I found that really funny the way you said that. Let them run around a bit in the sun, then BOOM! 
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: White Beard]
#16273088 - 05/23/12 03:18 PM (11 months, 22 days ago) |
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Yea, I don't see death as the issue... it's the quality of life proceeding it.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: White Beard]
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death is the inevitable side effect of living. I don't have a problem with people eating meat that is raised and slaughtered humanely. I personally choose not to eat any right now in my life because I like the effect that the change has had on me. I don't try to push my ways on anyone though, but I will tell people about it if they ask me.
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Obviously it's not as moral as eating fruit...similarly to how picking fruit is more moral than eating root vegetables or plant food which one can come across only by killing the plant
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: Luueschen]
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Last time I went vegan I developed some sort of psychosis due to lack of B1 vitamin. I'd say everything in moderation.
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Last time I went vegan I developed some sort of psychosis due to lack of B1 vitamin. I'd say everything in moderation.
How did this psychosis manifest itself? I'm curious because one of the reasons I've been gravitating towards a vegetarian diet is because it makes my mind feel better then eating meat does.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: Luueschen]
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Obviously it's not as moral as eating fruit...similarly to how picking fruit is more moral than eating root vegetables or plant food which one can come across only by killing the plant
Yeah, I feel ya. I have a friend who pretty much only eats fruit. That includes avacodos and tomatoes, cucumbers, summer squash, etc. He doesn't eat any roots, and not very many leaves. He's a very spiritual person and has been on this diet for quite a long time, and seems as healthy as anyone I know, and a LOT more grounded mentally and spiritually than almost anyone I know. I've been experimenting with moving my diet towards that direction. What I have found works well for me is eating only fruit a little nuts in the daytime, then having a more substantial vegetarian meal for dinner. I experimented with the only raw foods thing for a bit, but I find this agrees with me better.
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I didn't actually notice it, but, I became really nervous and delusional. Also I couldn't get to sleep for two days, thoughts were rushing in my head.
First night I tried to meditate all night, and it turned out pretty good, afterwards I was just hysterically laughing at everything but next night was pretty bad..
Anyway, if you take vegan diet, I suggest you to take blood test for nutrients and thiamin(B1) after some time in diet, just in case so you won't end up in nut house.
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I didn't actually notice it, but, I became really nervous and delusional. Also I couldn't get to sleep for two days, thoughts were rushing in my head.
First night I tried to meditate all night, and it turned out pretty good, afterwards I was just hysterically laughing at everything but next night was pretty bad..
Anyway, if you take vegan diet, I suggest you to take blood test for nutrients and thiamin(B1) after some time in diet, just in case so you won't end up in nut house.
I had a similar experience from experimenting with a strict fruit and nuts diet. During the first night of my problems, I decided to lighten up and have some bread and stuff. Since then I've been a lot more flexible with my diet as I learned a lesson from it.
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Vegetarians put a heavier load on nature than omnivorous people. You should eat what is readily available in your region. (And poor people don't give a fuck so its all a product of decadency.)
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: Xeny]
#16277027 - 05/24/12 07:37 AM (11 months, 22 days ago) |
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It would be very rare one lives in a region that doesn't support a Vegetarian diet... fruit, nuts and vegetables are readily available in most inhabited regions. A lot of the meat people eat is hardly local... at least here in the US.
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Are there specific foods that you eat to keep nutrients in body?
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Are there specific foods that you eat to keep nutrients in body?
Lots of oranges. For my evening meal, I eat a variety of different things. Trying to keep as much as possible with vegetables, whole grains, lower fat content, etc.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: Xeny] 1
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Vegetarians put a heavier load on nature than omnivorous people. You should eat what is readily available in your region. (And poor people don't give a fuck so its all a product of decadency.)
Except that meat production uses up a lot more land and energy. You have to feed the animals that you are going to kill.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: White Beard]
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Vegetarians put a heavier load on nature than omnivorous people. You should eat what is readily available in your region. (And poor people don't give a fuck so its all a product of decadency.)
Except that meat production uses up a lot more land and energy. You have to feat the animals that you are going to kill.
Exactly. I hate to argue with people about this
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I love meat, my muscles love meat. And when I'm tripping in the forest and a see a nice juicy goose I just want to chase it down and sink my teeth into that fucker! One day..
FYI I eat a healthy balanced diet of meat, veggies, fruits and whole grains.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: Khrushchev]
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And when I'm tripping in the forest and a see a nice juicy goose I just want to chase it down and sink my teeth into that fucker! One day..
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: White Beard]
#16281814 - 05/25/12 03:20 AM (11 months, 21 days ago) |
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It would be very rare one lives in a region that doesn't support a Vegetarian diet... fruit, nuts and vegetables are readily available in most inhabited regions. A lot of the meat people eat is hardly local... at least here in the US.
Here in central europe, almost all foods (meat and plants) are imported. We have very few local products available. There no viable alternative to the supermarket. Rich countries have no need to produce and pollute that much, we can get a way bigger income from exporting high tech shit. Sit back and watch south america ruin their continent so we can have a fat belly. I blame globalization.
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Vegetarians put a heavier load on nature than omnivorous people. You should eat what is readily available in your region. (And poor people don't give a fuck so its all a product of decadency.)
Except that meat production uses up a lot more land and energy. You have to feed the animals that you are going to kill.
This is true if your country, but you can't grow crops where's there no liquid water. However, some animals do digest grass and other small flowers which require a tiny amount of water, effectively feeding the animal, and you consequently. People who live around frozen water don't even have this option, their only chance of survival is fishing and hunting.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: Xeny]
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Yeah I love meat, lots of steak always feels healthy. I can't seem to afford to eat steaks now, but it is truly wonderful that I can eat sausages and fish cakes!
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Yeah I love meat, lots of steak always feels healthy. I can't seem to afford to eat steaks now, but it is truly wonderful that I can eat sausages and fish cakes!
I used to feel that same way before I started experimenting with other ways.
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I feel okay morally/health-wise eating 1 meal with free-range meat in it per day + eggs / 10g casein (milk) protein mix.
I think the problem is when people eat simply for pleasure with 0 concern for the animal.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: Vore]
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I think its weird how you fail to understand we are no more than animals, we eat, fuck and die. I wouldn't want to live as a person who makes moral choices about his diet, I'd rather live in a natural way. When the creature eats whats available and eats till it cant eat no more. (and as fast as possible for maximum safety, but that doesn't really matters for us)
Have you ever seen an animal as dumb as us, to put our own survival at risk for a dietary choice.
Prolonging the lifespan of the human race is to doom this planet to certain death.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: Xeny]
#16286537 - 05/26/12 04:54 AM (11 months, 20 days ago) |
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And we're definitely not smart enough to prevent our own extinction. I don't even believe we'll be able to settle colonies on other planets before we die on this depleted rock.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: Xeny]
#16286808 - 05/26/12 09:40 AM (11 months, 19 days ago) |
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Find me another animal that creates industrial factory farms... We have created something unnatural IMO. It feels wrong to me and a lot of other people, but ultimately we all have to make out own choices on what we put in our bodies. Morality is subjective, for sure.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: Xeny] 1
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I think its weird how you fail to understand we are no more than animals, we eat, fuck and die. I wouldn't want to live as a person who makes moral choices about his diet, I'd rather live in a natural way. When the creature eats whats available and eats till it cant eat no more. (and as fast as possible for maximum safety, but that doesn't really matters for us)
Have you ever seen an animal as dumb as us, to put our own survival at risk for a dietary choice.
Prolonging the lifespan of the human race is to doom this planet to certain death.
What about someone who chooses a vegetarian diet not for moral or ethical reasons, but because they have paid very close attention to the differences in subtle mental, emotional, and spiritual aspects of their life and have found that diet makes a huge difference in these things?
As far as this diet putting our survival at risk- I'm not sure how you mean this. We can feed MANY more people on vegetables than we can on meat. It takes a tremendous amount of energy to raise meat compared to vegetables.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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Find me another animal that creates industrial factory farms... We have created something unnatural IMO. It feels wrong to me and a lot of other people, but ultimately we all have to make out own choices on what we put in our bodies. Morality is subjective, for sure.
Ants farm aphids. Not sure if they do it in a factory style.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: White Beard]
#16286945 - 05/26/12 11:06 AM (11 months, 19 days ago) |
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Doubtful, I know ants have a symbiotic relationship with caterpillars where they provide protect in return for a caterpillar by-product.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: White Beard]
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Find me another animal that creates industrial factory farms... We have created something unnatural IMO. It feels wrong to me and a lot of other people, but ultimately we all have to make out own choices on what we put in our bodies. Morality is subjective, for sure.
Ants farm aphids. Not sure if they do it in a factory style.
they also protect them and take care of them. The whole symbiosis thing.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#16286955 - 05/26/12 11:10 AM (11 months, 19 days ago) |
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But shit, let's not even get into the "it's just nature" debate... people have a moral compass and know when something is wrong. There is a reason slaughter houses have the highest turn around rate of employees. It's just a horrible thing. The problem is we have set up a society where people don't have to see the negative - they don't have to look at it, and they choose not to. Their burger comes out of a bag and we teach our kids that farms are like Old McDonald's.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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My brother used to work on an 'organic' farm. The chickens there weren't in cages, they were in a pen. However, the meat chickens were so big that they could barely walk. A lot of them got diseases. My brother said some had ulcers going right through them, and you could see inside the chicken while it was still alive. He told me he had to kill a lot of them before they were ready to be slaughtered. 50% of the chickens died before slaughter time, and thus were just wasted meat. After he told me all that I decided to become a vegetarian.
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As far as this diet putting our survival at risk- I'm not sure how you mean this. We can feed MANY more people on vegetables than we can on meat. It takes a tremendous amount of energy to raise meat compared to vegetables.
Yeah so true yet people often miss this.. it's not even comparable, the resources required to eat meat. Funny how people point to vegetarian Indian when talking about over-population, which itself is more or less a myth. Over-population isn't the problem it is the greed and extravagance of the few that is the problem.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: White Beard]
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My brother used to work on an 'organic' farm. The chickens there weren't in cages, they were in a pen. However, the meat chickens were so big that they could barely walk. A lot of them got diseases. My brother said some had ulcers going right through them, and you could see inside the chicken while it was still alive. He told me he had to kill a lot of them before they were ready to be slaughtered. 50% of the chickens died before slaughter time, and thus were just wasted meat. After he told me all that I decided to become a vegetarian.
While there are many factories that hide under the guise of 'free-range' and 'organic,' there are farms that are true to their label, you just have to do the research.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: Vore]
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haha, living off fruit, plants and grains is way simpler.
the only thing that becomes more difficult is finding fast-food options...
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: resonant111]
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Less tasty though :<
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: Vore]
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Less tasty though :<
Eh, my diet is still pretty tasty. Most meat only "tastes good" because of the spices and flavorings added to it anyway.
Meat in and of itself is very bland tasting imo.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: resonant111]
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Edit: sorry double post. Didn't think first one went through.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: resonant111]
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Less tasty though :<
Eh, my diet is still pretty tasty. Most meat only "tastes good" because of the spices and flavorings added to it anyway.
Meat in and of itself is very bland tasting imo.
You're probably a better chef than me :p
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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I agree with that, and killing seems to be the name of the game to keep evolution going. However, I find something very disturbing about the way we treat animals in factory farms and try to distance myself from this as much as possible. At least give what we eat a chance to see the sun and run around a bit, yea know.
I think this is because humanity is becoming more dysfunctional rather than less.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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Find me another animal that creates industrial factory farms... We have created something unnatural IMO. It feels wrong to me and a lot of other people, but ultimately we all have to make out own choices on what we put in our bodies. Morality is subjective, for sure.
Everything is natural imo. And yes, everything is subjective.
You seem to assume we're not a part of nature?
And seriously, to all the people claiming we could feed the world on veggies, it's simply not true!
Scattered throughout the world, several dozen groups of so-called primitive people, like the Kalahari bushmen, continue to support themselves. It turns out that these people have plenty of leisure time, sleep a good deal, and work less hard than their farming neighbors. For instance, the average time devoted each week to obtaining food is only 12 to 19 hours for one group of Bushmen, 14 hours or less for the Hadza nomads of Tanzania. One Bushman, when asked why he hadn't emulated neighboring tribes by adopting agriculture, replied, "Why should we, when there are so many mongongo nuts in the world?"
While farmers concentrate on high-carbohydrate crops like rice and potatoes, the mix of wild plants and animals in the diets of surviving hunter-gatherers provides more protein and a better balance of other nutrients. In one study, the Bushmen's average daily food intake (during a month when food was plentiful) was 2,140 calories and 93 grams of protein, considerably greater than the recommended daily allowance for people of their size.
(A.D. 1150)
Compared to the hunter-gatherers who preceded them, the farmers had a nearly 50 per cent increase in enamel defects indicative of malnutrition, a fourfold increase in iron-deficiency anemia (evidenced by a bone condition called porotic hyperostosis), a threefold rise in bone lesions reflecting infectious disease in general, and an increase in degenerative conditions of the spine, probably reflecting a lot of hard physical labor. Life expectancy at birth in the pre-agricultural community was bout twenty-six years, but in the post-agricultural community it was nineteen years.
Jared Diamond, "The Worst Mistake in the History of the Human Race," Discover Magazine, May 1987, pp. 64-66.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: Xeny]
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life forms only grow if they have nourishment. we are growing.
it may be one minute to midnight, but the problem will fix itself one way or another.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: Xeny]
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You seem to assume we're not a part of nature?
It's pretty apparent to me that we are a part of nature yet a unique part with the potentialto be the stewards of this world, not the destroyers.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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yes and that article doesn't really prove anything. what were they growing? what kind of cultivation methods were they using? were they perhaps storing the food improperly and eating mold and bateria/rotten food? could it have been something other than their diet that caused some of these problems? there are a lot of variables there that aren't taken into account. farming has also evolved over the past few hundred years. it's not 1150 anymore. i don't believe that living off of organic fruits and vegetables would be harmful to ppl.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: mclark5215]
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You have to eat so much more as a vegetarian.
If we continued eating fruits and veggies as pre-human apes instead of nutrient dense, fat rich meat we would have never evolved into the animal we are today. We'd have small ape brains and big stomachs like Gorillas.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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You seem to assume we're not a part of nature?
It's pretty apparent to me that we are a part of nature yet a unique part with the potential to be the stewards of this world, not the destroyers.
I'd like to add this.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: Titus_Pullo]
#16369647 - 06/12/12 11:02 AM (11 months, 2 days ago) |
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If we continued eating fruits and veggies as pre-human apes instead of nutrient dense, fat rich meat we would have never evolved into the animal we are today. We'd have small ape brains and big stomachs like Gorillas.
Actually the first humans evolved out of the tropical lake regions of central Africa and were most likely fruit eaters.
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Vegetarians put a heavier load on nature than omnivorous people. You should eat what is readily available in your region. (And poor people don't give a fuck so its all a product of decadency.)
Except that meat production uses up a lot more land and energy. You have to feat the animals that you are going to kill.
Exactly. I hate to argue with people about this
Sure a Kilo of beef uses more energy and land than a kilo of potatoes, but it contains proportionally more essential nutrients. Furthermore, animals on proper farms eat grass and plant scraps people can't eat. For example chickens can kill pests in the fields and produce eggs.
But we should use pesticides instead because were exploiting the chickens? Animals and plants were meant to live in symbiosis. Any monocrop or intensive farming is going to cause harm.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#16371681 - 06/12/12 05:54 PM (11 months, 2 days ago) |
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If we continued eating fruits and veggies as pre-human apes instead of nutrient dense, fat rich meat we would have never evolved into the animal we are today. We'd have small ape brains and big stomachs like Gorillas.
Actually the first humans evolved out of the tropical lake regions of central Africa and were most likely fruit eaters.
Key word being were. After we came out of the trees and started walking along the plains we began to eat animals for the nutrient dense meat they provided.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: Titus_Pullo]
#16375583 - 06/13/12 12:27 PM (11 months, 1 day ago) |
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Ok so i ate vegetarian for awhile and while i am inherently skinny i reached 130 pounds.... now that i've started eating meat again i'm back at about 150, dramatic change if you ask me. so while i respect the choices i made in the past, i can bring more respect now to eating what is good for me and what supplys my body with what it needs. because i simply wasnt getting enough protein and enough food, especially at a college dining hall...
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: Titus_Pullo]
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If we continued eating fruits and veggies as pre-human apes instead of nutrient dense, fat rich meat we would have never evolved into the animal we are today. We'd have small ape brains and big stomachs like Gorillas.
Actually the first humans evolved out of the tropical lake regions of central Africa and were most likely fruit eaters.
Key word being were. After we came out of the trees and started walking along the plains we began to eat animals for the nutrient dense meat they provided.
Humans have lived in environments all over the world... Historically what we ate was determined by our environment. Btw is Titus_Pullo a Rome (HBO) reference? Loved that show.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: c0sm0nautt]
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Indeed it is a reference to rome. I made this account after watching the series 
Anyway, it's true that diet is controlled by the environment. That's why eskimos eat whale blubber and kenyans steal lion kills.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: Titus_Pullo]
#16380068 - 06/14/12 10:58 AM (11 months, 21 hours ago) |
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And why in many areas of Asia, people live from an almost entirely vegetarian diet.
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I think we were meat eaters, I make this conclusion because of the following:
1. Scientific Evidence
2. I have tried all kinds of diets, eating meat makes me the strongest and able to function to my max.
3. Eating meat does not effect my meditation practice whatsoever.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: p4kSouL]
#16380473 - 06/14/12 01:31 PM (11 months, 19 hours ago) |
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Also I think gluten, milk, cheese, and lots of sugar is way worst then meat. Try telling a vegetarian that. Also try telling a vegan and vegetarian they probably have a vitamin b12 deffiency.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: p4kSouL]
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: Titus_Pullo]
#16382387 - 06/14/12 08:39 PM (11 months, 11 hours ago) |
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If we continued eating fruits and veggies as pre-human apes instead of nutrient dense, fat rich meat we would have never evolved into the animal we are today. We'd have small ape brains and big stomachs like Gorillas.
This is not necessarily true at all. More protein probably was a contributory factor to brain development, but Neanderthal also hunted, was a tool-maker, and was fairly intelligent, yet their kind went extinct (except perhaps among certain prize-fighters and footballers). I was vegan for a few years, but I still ate dairy and oils. I've been on my current non-fat vegan diet for only a short time, but without fats and sucrose, my desire to eat has slowed. Meanwhile, my elimination has increased to 3X a day, yet, surprisingly, I am NOT more hungry, but less! The fats clearly slow digestion in the GI tract. I haven't lost any weight yet, and I wouldn't mind losing 5-10 lbs. BTW, chimps do eat monkeys and other animals - but they're still chimps.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: p4kSouL]
#16384624 - 06/15/12 12:00 PM (10 months, 30 days ago) |
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I think we were meat eaters, I make this conclusion because of the following:
1. Scientific Evidence
2. I have tried all kinds of diets, eating meat makes me the strongest and able to function to my max.
3. Eating meat does not effect my meditation practice whatsoever.
interesting. The main reason I have stopped eating meat is because I find eating it impedes my meditation. What kind of meditation do you do?
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: p4kSouL]
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I think we were meat eaters, I make this conclusion because of the following:
1. Scientific Evidence
2. I have tried all kinds of diets, eating meat makes me the strongest and able to function to my max.
3. Eating meat does not effect my meditation practice whatsoever.
Mac Danzig is an extreme fighter, who is profiled in the film 'Forks Over Knives,' which is about Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn's diet. It's not just about meat, it's about oils, even plant-based oils, which we have learned to consume in amounts that is simply unnatural.
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I think we were meat eaters, I make this conclusion because of the following:
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2. I have tried all kinds of diets, eating meat makes me the strongest and able to function to my max.
3. Eating meat does not effect my meditation practice whatsoever.
interesting. The main reason I have stopped eating meat is because I find eating it impedes my meditation. What kind of meditation do you do?
I do a meditation system that is specifically designed to awaken Kundalini. Some people can handle a risings a lot better then other people. When the chakras start kciking in it can really burn your food up, that is why I eat foods with dense chi like meat, so I can continue driving my car and stay physically strong without being too spaced out and without being a complete spiritual space cadet. I I personally know people part of meditation systems that say meat is bad, but those system from my observation is pretty dogmatic and they talk a lot of nonsense. Also many of those people are not "enlightend" anyway and they justify there non-enlightement by saying it takes 20+ years to be be touched by god.. And if they do have any spiritual power, they usually have a hard time functioning with physical reality.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: p4kSouL]
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I think we were meat eaters, I make this conclusion because of the following:
1. Scientific Evidence
2. I have tried all kinds of diets, eating meat makes me the strongest and able to function to my max.
3. Eating meat does not effect my meditation practice whatsoever.
Mac Danzig is an extreme fighter, who is profiled in the film 'Forks Over Knives,' which is about Dr. Caldwell Esselstyn's diet. It's not just about meat, it's about oils, even plant-based oils, which we have learned to consume in amounts that is simply unnatural.
Impressive, thats cool he can do that. But I do think that just because one guy can go vegan and still beable to kicass doesnt mean everyone can do it. If you watch the video i posted above "paleo solution" you will listen to what happened to that guy when he went vegan and it was actually a medically dangerous situation. If you do not get the right nurishment you can actually put your health at exact opposite.
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I have not eaten more than 2 burgers made of 90% lean beef, per month, for years. I have eaten Boars Head® Mesquite Turkey several times per week, maybe a tin of sardines once per week and tuna maybe once per month, for many years. Now, I wish to reverse the inevitable plaques on the endothelial cells of my arteries, according to this paradigm. I am not interested in Tantric practices, and Kundalini-Shakti is but one path to Self-Realization. It is easily aroused by psychedelics in any event, and now, without certain Rajasic hindrances, it should be interesting to see how psychedelics operate. Since I eat tubers, a certain Tamasic element should help with grounding the otherwise very spacey effect of strictly Sattvic food.
I will be 59 in July, and I have no intention of harming my health, but I have every intention of extending my longevity. My violent, martial-arts-instructing cousin (who taught Connecticut state troopers), would never eat his vegetables as a child w/o gagging. Clearly he became a solid meat-eater - and died on the table at age 41 during an emergency quadruple bi-pass operation. It seems that the cough they were treating him for was not bronchitis, but rather, the telltale cough of congestive heart failure. I hadn't seen him in 30 years, but we had several conversations at the end of his life over monies inherited by us. He was a big strapping guy apparently. He's been dead going on 10 years now.
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Ok saturated fats & animal products do not cause heart disease. Heres the proof.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/09/01/enjoy-saturated-fats-theyre-good-for-you.aspx
Violent martial artist. I met more violent vegetarians then I did martial artist. The martial artist were lot less filled with dogma and brainwashed behavior.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: p4kSouL]
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I think we were meat eaters, I make this conclusion because of the following:
1. Scientific Evidence
2. I have tried all kinds of diets, eating meat makes me the strongest and able to function to my max.
3. Eating meat does not effect my meditation practice whatsoever.
interesting. The main reason I have stopped eating meat is because I find eating it impedes my meditation. What kind of meditation do you do?
I do a meditation system that is specifically designed to awaken Kundalini. Some people can handle a risings a lot better then other people. When the chakras start kciking in it can really burn your food up, that is why I eat foods with dense chi like meat, so I can continue driving my car and stay physically strong without being too spaced out and without being a complete spiritual space cadet. I I personally know people part of meditation systems that say meat is bad, but those system from my observation is pretty dogmatic and they talk a lot of nonsense. Also many of those people are not "enlightend" anyway and they justify there non-enlightement by saying it takes 20+ years to be be touched by god.. And if they do have any spiritual power, they usually have a hard time functioning with physical reality.
I would think most of the kundalini masters of old are probably vegetarians. Am I wrong?
I don't avoid meat for any dogmatic reasons. I've simply found that my mind is more clear and my body much more comfortable in meditation when I don't eat meat. I really truly can identify a difference. I suppose every body is different. I imagine the experience can be different too depending on what kind of meditation you do. I do mostly breath focused shamatha meditation without a particular goal. I think what you are doing is different from this.
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I think we were meat eaters, I make this conclusion because of the following:
1. Scientific Evidence
2. I have tried all kinds of diets, eating meat makes me the strongest and able to function to my max.
3. Eating meat does not effect my meditation practice whatsoever.
interesting. The main reason I have stopped eating meat is because I find eating it impedes my meditation. What kind of meditation do you do?
I do a meditation system that is specifically designed to awaken Kundalini. Some people can handle a risings a lot better then other people. When the chakras start kciking in it can really burn your food up, that is why I eat foods with dense chi like meat, so I can continue driving my car and stay physically strong without being too spaced out and without being a complete spiritual space cadet. I I personally know people part of meditation systems that say meat is bad, but those system from my observation is pretty dogmatic and they talk a lot of nonsense. Also many of those people are not "enlightend" anyway and they justify there non-enlightement by saying it takes 20+ years to be be touched by god.. And if they do have any spiritual power, they usually have a hard time functioning with physical reality.
I would think most of the kundalini masters of old are probably vegetarians. Am I wrong?
Most the people I know with actual Kundalini eat meat & I know many of them. Now I know some people that have had kudanlini risings being vegatarian, not that meat is nessasary i think it depends on the person. Some people might need meat, some people might not need it. I think genetics play a role.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: p4kSouL]
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how can you tell if someone has "actual kundalini"?
Most people I've known who are very into yoga are vegetarians. Most of the yoga teachings I'm familiar with (which is very limited mind you) speak of avoiding meat and animal products. A "sattvic" diet is what this is called. Some say that the further along the path one goes, the less they need the "lower" foods. There is talk of far out yogis who only eat fruit and nuts, or some who eat nothing at all. I know one who eats only fruit and is one of the most intelligent people I know.
I'm not really sure the point of arguing this, as obviously everyone has their own diet that works for them. I guess it's just interesting to talk about
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how can you tell if someone has "actual kundalini"?
Most people I've known who are very into yoga are vegetarians. Most of the yoga teachings I'm familiar with (which is very limited mind you) speak of avoiding meat and animal products. A "sattvic" diet is what this is called. Some say that the further along the path one goes, the less they need the "lower" foods. There is talk of far out yogis who only eat fruit and nuts, or some who eat nothing at all. I know one who eats only fruit and is one of the most intelligent people I know.
I'm not really sure the point of arguing this, as obviously everyone has their own diet that works for them. I guess it's just interesting to talk about:)
You can tell someone has actual kundalini one way is they can do shaktipat, and transfer the experience into other people.
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Ok saturated fats & animal products do not cause heart disease. Heres the proof.
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/09/01/enjoy-saturated-fats-theyre-good-for-you.aspx
Violent martial artist. I met more violent vegetarians then I did martial artist. The martial artist were lot less filled with dogma and brainwashed behavior.
I just left a Mercola article (I receive his letter). I am performing an experiment, based on a paradigm that is grounded in 21 years of research. Only my blood work up will yield the empirical evidence that determines whether I continue it or not. Radically reduced numbers will encourage me to pursue the further aim of this paradigm, and that is to "reverse" damage done to the endothelial cells of my arteries. Without an expensive MRI body scan, I will surmise that I have a certain amount of atherosclerosis, even though I do not eat the SAD. I do know that I have a certain amount of aortic calcification. I am trim, with some muscular definition for my body type, I have never once used tobacco, and I gave up smoking cannabis around 1980, which I began on 01/10/69. I am interested in longevity. My father lived to 86, despite being a 2 pack a day smoker, fat, and never exercised. Genetics. My father's uncle died at 106, and was ambulatory with a cane, taking himself to the airport at 103. My greater experiment is to exceed Uncle Herman's lifespan, and I will be 59 in less than a month. I am not ruled by my "appetitive soul," to use Plato's term. I am a philosopher.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: p4kSouL]
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I now sure as my heart beats that I have a kundalini awakening. What practice is used to transfer the energy? I can affect others with strange vibes, but it is out of my control
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I now sure as my heart beats that I have a kundalini awakening. What practice is used to transfer the energy? I can affect others with strange vibes, but it is out of my control
I wish someone would transfer energy to me in the form of gel tabs!
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I've noticed how Vegans with pets buy slaughtered meat still. They have to in order to feed their dog, who they love.
Funny, how that works.
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i've heard there's actually vegetarian dog food tho nothing like that for cats
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I've noticed how Vegans with pets buy slaughtered meat still. They have to in order to feed their dog, who they love.
Funny, how that works.
Humans are omnivorous, but canines are still, well, canines. Despite their utter dependence upon humans, they are designed to hunt, kill, and consume. I can't imagine hoards of wild miniature dachshunds or toy poodles doing this, so if we've bred 'em, we need to take responsibility for 'em. This is taking a lot for granted, considering the many irresponsible parents there are.
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