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 whatsgrimace
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#16243289 - 05/17/12 01:52 AM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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what are your thoughts on it? i wouldn't kill an animal or buy it, but if it's already in the house because of some family member it seems like it'd be more disrespectful just to throw it out.
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If you want to be a vegetarian then be one. If you don't then don't.
Don't let anyone judge you or tell you that it's right or wrong because it's not.
Humans evolved eating meat. We have canine front teeth. So what? Maybe future people will consider our front teeth to be a vestigial organ like the appendix. Maybe not.
Do what feels right to you and you won't go wrong.
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I've read and seen a lot of the negative effects that excessive meat in one's diet can cause. For example when I was doing research on Alzheimer's one suggested cause of the disease was a build up of "residue" from meat proteins in the brain. Proteins in meat have also shown the ability to damage the walls of veins and arteries which allows plaque to grow more easily. Meat also works your digestive system much harder then veggies. It is suggested that eating a diet heavy in meat can slow recovery of kidney, gall bladder, and liver injuries/infections. The biggest problem seems to be that there just isn't as many nutrients in meat as there is in fruit and vegetables. So people with diets heavy in fat and meat will see more of their negativity than those who limit the daily intake of meat (obviously). The last study I have heard says that a person with over 20% of their diet consisting of meat will likely experience the downsides. The same study said that ideally a person should include 5% of meat or less in their diet in order to avoid all the negative effects related to it. Just as well when you do eat meat the leaner and lighter it is the better.
Based on my knowledge I highly doubt that an occasional turkey sandwich is gonna hurt you OP. Its the overwhelming amount of meat and lack of fruits and vegetables that are causing problems in people today. Sounds like you're not in the same boat.
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I've found that not eating meat really helps my meditation. I don't notice the difference if I have very small amounts. I've been avoiding meat and animal products for this reason. The other night, I went to dinner with my folks and decided what the hell, I'll have the seafood platter. Felt fine all night, slept fine. Went to meditation in the morning, and my body was SO uncomfortable, and I had the strangest, strongest pressure in the top of my head that kind hurt. I figured out by the end of the session how to equalize this pressure by breathing up and down my spine into my cranium. It was kinda cool, but really illustrated to me why it is best for me to avoid meat and animal products.
No wonder so many people have such a hard time meditating!
edit- I would also expand this to how I feel towards other people and myself throughout the day. I've been working on generating love and compassion towards all. I find that a diet low in meats,animal products, fats, and starches helps me with this.
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I've read and seen a lot of the negative effects that excessive meat in one's diet can cause.
That's funny, I've done the exact same thing with a vegetarian diet.
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just purchased one of those insta-meal-in-a-box things with chicken in it. makes me feel kind of guilty. i'm not just in it for the health reasons, i dislike the idea of being consumed myself so why would i eat the meat of another animal? i try to do it sparingly and consume veggies and nuts instead, but my idea as far as the morality of it goes is that it'd be more disrespectful to the animal to just throw it's meat in the garbage can than to recycle it into my body.
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Sounds like a lot of theory. How about personal experience? What does your body and intuition tell you? What feels most comfortable to eat on psychedelics? Why do you think this is?
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a vegetarian diet with protein from milk and assorted nuts seems to be the way to go. some fish oil for your amino acids. it's suggested even by the "professionals" that if you eat red meat the serving size should be the size of a deck of cards, while you have these folks choking down 16 oz steaks on a regular basis. 
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This is a tricky issue for me.
When I had my first experiences with LSD and mushrooms, and became interested in Buddhism and Hinduism, I made an effort to be vegetarian, because in my Buddhist Sangha I was constantly talking about "benefiting all sentient beings," and how can you possibly do that if you are eating several of them every day? I was vegetarian on and off for about two years, including a period of veganism. I became very physically and mentally flexible in that time, but I don't think I took enough care to get good protein sources and to eat a lot of vegetables.
I later abandoned the spiritual path, and also abandoned vegetarianism. Actually, they seemed to occur kind of simultaneously, and I think eating meat precipitated a move away, for me, from spiritual practices and study.
Now, I am reanalyzing my meat-eating. I don't want to exploit animals to the same degree that I have been. I think the mass production of animals for consumption causes suffering on a massive scale, for the humans who work in the industry as well as for the animals, and it has grave effects on the environment, as well.
For this reason, I'm trying to scale back my consumption of animal products and limit myself to eating smaller quantities, and choosing organic poultry, fish, eggs, milk, and cheese, local if possible, and occasionally some organic, grass-fed beef or buffalo. Meanwhile, I'm trying to eat a lot more vegetables, and more fruits as well. It seems to be really good for my overall well-being, and it is coinciding with a new spark of interest in spirituality and self-realization.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: Lion]
#16244456 - 05/17/12 12:01 PM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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it's very cruel. most of the meat you buy in the stores is from animals that were treated like products on a conveyer belt. it's sickening. if it's dead already i'm eating it, but i don't want their blood on my hands. it's so fucked, people should just return to growing their own fucking food. fuck grocery stores
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fuck grocery stores
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: birdland]
#16244622 - 05/17/12 12:43 PM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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but the problem is most people in urban areas can't afford to grow gardens for lack of space to grow or funds or things of that sort. it's sorrow. i fucking hate it. the only reason preservatives get put in food is so the can ship it from like tennessee to washinton for business. STUPID AS HELL. get seeds, grow a garden. buy some chickens. eat their eggs. that's protein. wait for it to die naturally, find the good meat and eat that. cook it to kill the germs. it's so simple, the grocery store thing is an epidemic
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Everyone CAN afford to pay for non-factory farmed food, they just delude themselves into thinking that they can't. Food costs are nothing here compared to the rest of the world.
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grow a fucking garden
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I've been a vegetarian for two years now for a lot of different reasons. factory farming is totally fucked for one. turkeys have been genetically modified to have their breast so large that they can't even mate anymore. they have to be artificially inseminated. and factory farming does more damage to the environment than the automobile industry. not to mention the fact that they treat the animals like shit and have them in cramped quarters for the entire span of their miserable lives. and the grains used to feed these animals could provide enough food for the entire planet. maybe not the most nutritious diet but it's better than starving. yet for some reason i feel insecure about this bc other ppl usually think it's weird for someone to be vegetarian. i usually try not to even let ppl know that i'm vegetarian bc they tend to get defensive about it and i'm not even really judging. i don't really care what other ppl do. they should treat me with the same respect but instead i have to hear a bunch of bs like 'oh that's not healthy' or 'they're gonna die regardless it doesn't make a difference so you might as well eat it'. FUCK YOU! sorry if i don't come off as being very spiritual about the whole thing.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: mclark5215]
#16244841 - 05/17/12 01:47 PM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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Quote:
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Everyone CAN afford to pay for non-factory farmed food, they just delude themselves into thinking that they can't. Food costs are nothing here compared to the rest of the world.
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and furthermore on another point- @mclark- funny what you say cuz I've been having the same problem. I have found myself almost hiding my vegetarianism as I find that people are often threatened by the concept. I wonder why people are so threatened by it? I guess part of it is all the self righteous vegetarians who have made a bad face for those of us who aren't doing it for egoistic reasons. I think part of it is that people intuitively know that they should be, and feel that they need to defend their situation, even when it's not attacked.
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exactly the way i look at it. i just usually don't come out and say it like that bc i'm afraid that'll make me look egotistic or self-righteous as well, even though it's completely true. and if there are any meat eaters around here who think this isn't true, just tell a few ppl that you're a vegetarian when you're offered some meat without saying anything else and see what kind of reaction you get.
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Re: eating meat/vegetarianism [Re: Lion]
#16246854 - 05/17/12 09:23 PM (1 year, 5 days ago) |
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Lion-I think it's interesting that your spiritual zest and your zest for vegetarianism both seemed to fade around the same time. What correlation do you think is there?
Edited by nicechrisman (05/17/12 09:24 PM)
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whatsgrimace
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my not wanting to eat much meat is also due to a sort of spiritual thing too i guess
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