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Do people choose to like/dislike something...
    #16239916 - 05/16/12 02:16 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

...or is it just a natural occurence?

Having a debate with someone right now and have no clue how they are coming up with their arguments.

So which is it?  If you do choose what you like and what you dislike, then this would mean being homosexual is a choice right, for example?  Gays choose to like members of the same sex, according to this theory.

Do we choose which music we prefer, or is it just a natural taste that is ingrained in our character, independent of our will?
Do we choose what we like?
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Yes. We can choose to like anything
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8 44%
No, liking something is a natural part of our character/psychology
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Re: Do people choose to like/dislike something... [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #16239923 - 05/16/12 02:17 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

what the fuck?


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Re: Do people choose to like/dislike something... [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #16239940 - 05/16/12 02:20 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

If you are really interested in this question, I suggest reading this short book written in the 60's or 70's about exactly this subject. The author argues that in every interaction, we fill roles and take sides of an argument to fill these roles whether we truly believe ourselves or not. Eventually we may believe the arguments we form up by playing certain roles, however we may believe two things at once as well. I tend to agree with him, I think we all play roles and entertain thoughts and ideas that we may not necessarily hold before the conversation started.


Here is the book if you are interested.
http://files.myopera.com/eketab3/blog/The%20Games%20People%20Play.pdf?1337191154


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Re: Do people choose to like/dislike something... [Re: PatrickKn]
    #16239949 - 05/16/12 02:22 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

I am open to that assertion but this poll is mostly for immediate reference to the debate I am having :lol:


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Re: Do people choose to like/dislike something... [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #16239984 - 05/16/12 02:29 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

someone's chosen to dislike another persons opinion. WATCH OUT!!  :crazyeyes:


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Re: Do people choose to like/dislike something... [Re: akira_akuma]
    #16239994 - 05/16/12 02:32 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Define choice. Define free will. Explain how either is different from a system of natural occurrences that have a definite cause and a definite reaction.


Free will is a lie. A myth. An illusion.


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Re: Do people choose to like/dislike something... [Re: akira_akuma]
    #16240003 - 05/16/12 02:34 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

The right answer is both choices.

You are naturally attracted to some people but you have to choice to decide to like them or not despite their personalities. Its their actions that count.


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Re: Do people choose to like/dislike something... [Re: PatrickKn]
    #16240012 - 05/16/12 02:35 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

once i've been co-erced by an outside action, there is no determination on the set path that action has given, that i can make for myself! it's all dictated by the previous action!1

oh boy, no free will! i'm free!1


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Re: Do people choose to like/dislike something... [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #16240016 - 05/16/12 02:36 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

totally depends. i hated kayaking initially. cold, wet, sore, scary, and life threatening. i kept at it anyways. now its fun in the sun baby!

other things i like without even trying to like them. for example, i like philosophy. i find it interesting to read and think about and argue about.

other things i dislike without even trying to dislike them. for example, math or chemistry. i'm just not a fan.


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Re: Do people choose to like/dislike something... [Re: akira_akuma]
    #16240024 - 05/16/12 02:39 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Your idea on the outside action has already been decided. Sure, you may need to "make a decision", however the neural programming is already set up in a way that whatever reacts on you will lead to a certain decision or choice. While you as an entity may be free to process pieces of the universe into what you call free will, the act of free will itself is illusory. Even the idea of free will is a chain reaction.


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Re: Do people choose to like/dislike something... [Re: PatrickKn]
    #16240037 - 05/16/12 02:42 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

so what's right and then what's wrong? lets take this to the next level, yo. :macdre:


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Re: Do people choose to like/dislike something... [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #16240047 - 05/16/12 02:44 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Patlal said:
The right answer is both choices.

You are naturally attracted to some people but you have to choice to decide to like them or not despite their personalities. Its their actions that count.




This doesn't just apply to liking people.  This can apply to anything.

akira_akuma is asking why I prefer certain types of music over others and I say I just do, and then he bombards me with "Why do you choose to like this kind of music over another kind?"

So really akira, it's you who has a problem with my opinion and is nagging me for it :cheers:


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Re: Do people choose to like/dislike something... [Re: Celestial Traveler]
    #16240073 - 05/16/12 02:48 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

no.

and no, i never asked. i just made sorta a general statement.

you like any given set of choices, because you chose to... if you didn't choose to, then you wouldn't know to like it, or not.

it's just derfing that simple.


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Re: Do people choose to like/dislike something... [Re: akira_akuma]
    #16240079 - 05/16/12 02:49 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Then why debate me and interrogate me so endlessly as to why I "choose" to like certain forms of music more than others?


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Re: Do people choose to like/dislike something... [Re: akira_akuma]
    #16240084 - 05/16/12 02:50 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

You wont get anywhere with akira_akuma..i try to talk with it and it just laughs at me or perceives me as trolling, when im trying too learn and discuss.

Still i love its opinion, though


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Re: Do people choose to like/dislike something... [Re: PatrickKn]
    #16240085 - 05/16/12 02:50 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

Quote:

Celestial Traveler said:
Then why debate me and interrogate me so endlessly as to why I "choose" to like certain forms of music more than others?





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PatrickKn said:
If you are really interested in this question, I suggest reading this short book written in the 60's or 70's about exactly this subject. The author argues that in every interaction, we fill roles and take sides of an argument to fill these roles whether we truly believe ourselves or not. Eventually we may believe the arguments we form up by playing certain roles, however we may believe two things at once as well. I tend to agree with him, I think we all play roles and entertain thoughts and ideas that we may not necessarily hold before the conversation started.


Here is the book if you are interested.
http://files.myopera.com/eketab3/blog/The%20Games%20People%20Play.pdf?1337191154





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Re: Do people choose to like/dislike something... [Re: PatrickKn]
    #16240087 - 05/16/12 02:51 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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Re: Do people choose to like/dislike something... [Re: PatrickKn]
    #16240090 - 05/16/12 02:51 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

In the meantime while I am waiting for the book to arrive at my doorstep, we will continue to fill these theoretical roles :lol:


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Re: Do people choose to like/dislike something... [Re: PatrickKn]
    #16240100 - 05/16/12 02:53 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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PatrickKn said:
Here is the book if you are interested.
http://files.myopera.com/eketab3/blog/The%20Games%20People%20Play.pdf?1337191154




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Re: Do people choose to like/dislike something... [Re: akira_akuma]
    #16240101 - 05/16/12 02:53 PM (2 years, 3 months ago)

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akira_akuma said:
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Very well then.  It is my natural role not to like something.  By having less of a preference for percussive music, I am just fulfilling my natural role, which implies there is no free will, and thus no choice. :grin: Case closed.

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