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He was the only candidate I liked. I knew he didn't have much chance against the corporate machine of Romney and Gingrich, but I like him.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: Ellis Dee]
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oh well cheers for 4 more years of the same bullshit...
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Didn't matter if he dropped out or not, he wasn't going to be President.
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I just saw him give a speech at davis about a week and a half ago. Can't say that this is a big deal though, he had no chance of winning
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: jammin]
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#16238166 - 05/16/12 02:57 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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He was the only candidate I liked. I knew he didn't have much chance against the corporate machine of Romney and Gingrich, but I like him.
who told you he "officially dropped out?"
are you listening to establishment media again?
he has stopped active campaigning in primary states, but is still technically in the race and still concentrating on racking up as many delegates as he can.
i think hes too low on cash to keep campaigning strongly and in true ron paul fasion refuses to go into debt like say gingrich did.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: Shins]
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i dont understand why people still trust politicians
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No he hasn't. If he had, there would be something about it on the home page: http://www.ronpaul2012.com/
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: 1ve5w4hu]
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People still vote in that hellhole USA? I thought you were all starving to death while some rapper ran the country under the military-industrial complex's psychotic orders?
I mean honestly do you want the fuckhead on the left, or the fuckhead on the right? Because it'll be the same hand underneath anyway.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: Ellis Dee]
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He's still in, in fact he's having a moneybomb right now. He's using the media against themselves. With everyone thinking he's out, he'll have a better chance at swooping in at state conventions and continue racking up delegates.
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He's still in, in fact he's having a moneybomb right now. He's using the media against themselves. With everyone thinking he's out, he'll have a better chance at swooping in at state conventions and continue racking up delegates.
Which will lead.... to a bunch of Ron Paul supporters voting for Romney at the national convention. Yay! 
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Art of war.
When you are weak, show the enemy that you are strong. When you are strong, show them that you are weak.
Paul stopped campaigning because that strategy is costly. He's been pooling his resources at racking up delegates. Paul's campaign is highly organized and capable of picking up the delegates without him flying from state to state to make appearances. He's already busy with being a congressman, a family man, and reaming the FED mind you.
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He's still in, in fact he's having a moneybomb right now. He's using the media against themselves. With everyone thinking he's out, he'll have a better chance at swooping in at state conventions and continue racking up delegates.
Which will lead.... to a bunch of Ron Paul supporters voting for Romney at the national convention. Yay!
Do you think many will move over to Obama also?
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: circastes]
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People still vote in that hellhole USA? I thought you were all starving to death while some rapper ran the country under the military-industrial complex's psychotic orders?
I mean honestly do you want the fuckhead on the left, or the fuckhead on the right? Because it'll be the same hand underneath anyway.
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He's still in, in fact he's having a moneybomb right now. He's using the media against themselves. With everyone thinking he's out, he'll have a better chance at swooping in at state conventions and continue racking up delegates.
Paul never had the slightest chance of getting the nomination. He knows that, and has known it all along. Why do the Ronulans not acknowledge reality? Paul himself acknowledged it long ago, and the man's a crank. So what does that say about the perspicacity of his acolytes?
From http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2012/05/14/did-ron-paul-change-republican-party-gop-race/#more-793707 - bolding by Phred -
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Did Ron Paul Change the Republican Party?
Jonathan S. Tobin
During the long winter nights when Ron Paul and his boisterous supporters were raising hell in caucus states, one of the regular themes sounded by many mainstream media political observers was the damage the libertarian outlier was doing to the Republican brand and ultimately the party’s chances of defeating Barack Obama. Paul’s cheering throngs were loud and clear at the GOP’s presidential debates, and his strong showing in Iowa seemed to presage a dangerous extremist tilt to the opposition party.
But today, as Paul announced that he would no longer be campaigning in the remaining primary and caucus states, those warnings ring hollow. Paul may have had his moments during a fractious race, and his supporters will continue to make nuisances of themselves at state conventions, but in the end, his remained a symbolic candidacy that had little appeal to most Republicans. His libertarians will probably be heard from again in four or eight years if his son, Kentucky Senator Rand Paul, takes the torch from his father and tries his luck at the presidential game. And some will claim he influenced the race and made great strides during his previous presidential runs. But the fact remains that his efforts fell flat as soon as the real voting started. Ron Paul ends his presidential run pretty much the way he began it: as someone outside the broad consensus of the Republican Party.
It should be conceded that Paul’s campaign was well-organized and highly effective in any state where delegates were chosen in caucuses where low turnouts minimized his main deficiency: the lack of broad support from the voters. Any place where tiny groups of motivated activists could seize control of the situation was one where Paul could make a good showing. Under those circumstances, Paul’s appeal to young, disaffected Democrats and independents who loved his isolationist stance on foreign policy and libertarian approach to social issues could make up for the fact that the overwhelming majority of Republicans had little interest in his ideas.
Paul was able to briefly shine in Iowa and stole the show at times in debates with his bizarre attacks on the Federal Reserve or his defense of the Islamist tyrants of Iran. Some liked his unassuming style and were charmed by the fact that, unlike the others on stage at the debates, he had no real plans to be president and therefore made no effort to pander to the voters. But his sideshow carnival candidacy ran out of steam as primary voters began to choose between the first tier candidates and he began a streak of last place finishes that were a better indication of his importance than the Iowa results.
His exit from active campaigning will, no doubt, provoke some pundits to claim that in 2012, his libertarians stopped being a marginal factor in the GOP and entered the mainstream. But this is, at best, an exaggeration. There was some overlap between Paul’s strict libertarianism and Tea Party sentiment about the size of government, debt and taxes. But that common ground was dwarfed by the gap between Paul’s conspiratorial view of economics as well as his foreign policy views that had more in common with the knee-jerk anti-American doctrines of the far left than with that of most Republicans.
Though many on the left wrongly assume his extremist approach resonated with the party’s base, the truth was, he had little to offer average Republican voters. Nor can it be credibly asserted that he moved the conservative discussion in his direction on any issue where it had not already moved. Every time he opened his mouth, he demonstrated the strong distinction between his own extremist approach and that of even most Tea Party hardliners.
Despite all the noise he made and the delegates he won, on the day when his campaign ended with a whimper, the chasm that separates Paul’s followers from the rest of the Republican Party is no smaller than it was a year ago.
Exactly. There are no more caucuses. Every contest from here on in is an actual primary, with bound delegates. Paul has never done well, ever, in any actual primary, only in contests where the Ronulans can "game the system". The same has always been true of any poll results - if it is an online poll that can be spammed by Paulbots, Paul does okay. But in an actual poll run by Gallup or Rasmussen or similar outfits, he bombs. Every time.
Ronulans have an astonishing capacity for self-deception. And that may well be to Obama's benefit. Especially if the crank refuses to endorse Romney.
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He's still in, in fact he's having a moneybomb right now. He's using the media against themselves. With everyone thinking he's out, he'll have a better chance at swooping in at state conventions and continue racking up delegates.
Thats exactly what he's doing, using the media against themselves... They are terrified if he gets in! I hope to fuck he does get in".. I don't trust any politician tbh, but Ron Paul is America's only hope for restoring civil liberties to what they were, if he could truly end the fed and investigate 9/11 properly that can only be a good thing! I know recently he has encourged people not to associate him with 9/11 conspiracy theories but still his morals are the only ones that make any sense right now, hypthetically if he were to win, i have a feeling that he would disregard his policies just like the rest, but thats the chance if american i would be willing to take as Obama and the rest of the candiadates are terrifying by comparison!
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Oh for fucks sake. What part of "he's not going to be President" is so hard for some to grasp?
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Oh for fucks sake. What part of "he's not going to be President" is so hard for some to grasp?
Because ZERO fucks are given when you mention this to Ron Paul supporters. What part of "Paul would make a better president than Obama or Romney," do you not get?
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What part of "Paul would make a better president than Obama or Romney," do you not get?
Dozens of people would make a better president than Romney. Dozens of millions would make a better president than Obama. But either Romney or Obama will be the next president. Not Ron Paul, not Gary Johnson, not Hillary Clinton, not Paul Ryan. What part of that do the Ronulans not get?
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lol president. who the fuck cares who the president is, they have no real say in anything anyway
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Tell that to the families of the muslims killed in drone attacks. Or to businesses going under due to regulatory abuse in federal agencies headed by Obama appointees. Or to America's allies in Europe. Or to the tens of thousands who could be employed building pipelines.
I could go on for pages.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: 46 and 2]
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Oh for fucks sake. What part of "he's not going to be President" is so hard for some to grasp?
Because ZERO fucks are given when you mention this to Ron Paul supporters. What part of "Paul would make a better president than Obama or Romney," do you not get?
Unlike you guys, I get the reality. I happen to like Ron Paul for the most part, and I'd have voted for him before Romney or Obama.
But I'm smart enough to know he won't be President, with or without my vote.
Those still thinking he will be are fools.
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Oh for fucks sake. What part of "he's not going to be President" is so hard for some to grasp?
Because ZERO fucks are given when you mention this to Ron Paul supporters. What part of "Paul would make a better president than Obama or Romney," do you not get?
Unlike you guys, I get the reality. I happen to like Ron Paul for the most part, and I'd have voted for him before Romney or Obama.
But I'm smart enough to know he won't be President, with or without my vote.
Those still thinking he will be are fools.
Sorry, I'm just not pessimistic. I want to keep believing in something better.
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Oh for fucks sake. What part of "he's not going to be President" is so hard for some to grasp?
Because ZERO fucks are given when you mention this to Ron Paul supporters. What part of "Paul would make a better president than Obama or Romney," do you not get?
Unlike you guys, I get the reality. I happen to like Ron Paul for the most part, and I'd have voted for him before Romney or Obama.
But I'm smart enough to know he won't be President, with or without my vote.
Those still thinking he will be are fools.
Sorry, I'm just not pessimistic. I want to keep believing in something better.
I believe in Santa, but it seems like he hasn't been making the rounds since I moved out of my parents' home.
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Oh for fucks sake. What part of "he's not going to be President" is so hard for some to grasp?
Because ZERO fucks are given when you mention this to Ron Paul supporters. What part of "Paul would make a better president than Obama or Romney," do you not get?
Unlike you guys, I get the reality. I happen to like Ron Paul for the most part, and I'd have voted for him before Romney or Obama.
But I'm smart enough to know he won't be President, with or without my vote.
Those still thinking he will be are fools.
Sorry, I'm just not pessimistic. I want to keep believing in something better.
I too believe it can be better. I don't lie to myself about it though.
Pessimism has nothing to do with it. Realism does.
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im voting for whomever will drop america into the steaming pile of shit that it deserves to be. individually, americans are some of the greatest people on earth, but as a whole, we are on par with llama turds.
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Like i said, mainstream media are hiding alot of the facts concerning RP and his victories, they don't want you to know he is doing exceeding well! Rule him out at your stupidity!
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im voting for whomever will drop america into the steaming pile of shit that it deserves to be. individually, americans are some of the greatest people on earth, but as a whole, we are on par with llama turds.
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america is made up of individuals. If america sucks... guess what?
Pay no mind to Yawning Anus. Nor to the Paulbots. They bemoan the fact that their candidate doesn't get enough coverage or enough money or enough respect but ignore the fact that he is a raving, drooling nitwit on his own. They are so blinded by their medical 4/20 desires that they don't pay a whit's worth of attention to the rest of what he says.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: MrLuvaluva]
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
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im voting for whomever will drop america into the steaming pile of shit that it deserves to be. individually, americans are some of the greatest people on earth, but as a whole, we are on par with llama turds.
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america is made up of individuals. If america sucks... guess what?
Pay no mind to Yawning Anus. Nor to the Paulbots. They bemoan the fact that their candidate doesn't get enough coverage or enough money or enough respect but ignore the fact that he is a raving, drooling nitwit on his own. They are so blinded by their medical 4/20 desires that they don't pay a whit's worth of attention to the rest of what he says.
Just medical 4/20? Nothing about anti-imperialism, bringing troops home, free markets, or any of those nonsense bailouts? Maybe all you see if Medical 4/20, but with a bigger perspective and a less obnoxious attitude you may begin to see more. Til then, I'll continue to pity you, Zappa.
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There is no imperialism, the troops will come home soon, he is an international trade idiot who would sell us out to gain power. The necessity for the bank bailouts was caused by the government. If the government causes the problem the government should at least help them not die. Except for the car companies the bailouts netted a tidy profit to the taxpayer.
Now hit that pipe. You'll feel better and be oh so much smarter.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
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So they cause it, and they need to make it worse? Sound logic. Kudos. I still pity you though.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: 46 and 2]
#16247196 - 05/17/12 10:26 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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And yes, I will proudly smoke my pipe, my bong, a blunt, a joint, or whatever else I please.
 Peace be with you, Zappa.
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i dont even smoke weed anymore. well, its extremely rare that i do.
never have i been a part of the "paul wants to legalize marijuana" crowd. maybe i have chimed in once or twice, but that is on the bottom of my list of reasons why ron paul should be president.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: Phred]
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Ron Paul is America's only hope for restoring civil liberties to what they were
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Tell that to... businesses going under due to regulatory abuse in federal agencies headed by Obama appointees.
Do mind providing some examples for discussion?
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: whatsgrimace]
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People still vote in that hellhole USA? I thought you were all starving to death while some rapper ran the country under the military-industrial complex's psychotic orders?
I mean honestly do you want the fuckhead on the left, or the fuckhead on the right? Because it'll be the same hand underneath anyway.
Dumb. Maybe you should learn something about the subject your speaking on: there's far more than two candidates and far more variation than a left/right split in US presidential elections.
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Paul himself acknowledged it long ago, and the man's a crank. So what does that say about the perspicacity of his acolytes?
That cranks and ignoramuses who have no knowledge of the race have convinced themselves they're disenfranchised and use that fact to bitch and moan and justify their inaction. Then when someone like Paul comes along, they suddenly feel like giving themselves permission to paint the entire rest of the candidates in prior and current races as shills despite the fact that people with the good parts of Paul's views run every election.
Its just that the self-assured ignoramuses feel quite self-congratulatory and spout off their ridiculous views whenever able, i.e. pledging to vote for candidates not even in the race (voting for paul for Presdient like they claimed to be doing last election as well)
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lol president. who the fuck cares who the president is, they have no real say in anything anyway
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Do mind providing some examples for discussion?
You really are quite uninformed for someone with such strong opinions. Was that a serious request? You could find dozens of examples every week with just a little effort. Here's one from today -
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/when-government-is-the-looter/2012/05/18/gIQAUIKVZU_story.html
Then there was the recent resignation of the EPA official bragging about "crucifying" energy companies -
http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2012/04/26/epa-official-not-only-touted-crucifying-oil-companies-he-tried-it/
And the EPA losing a protracted court battle after truing to bankrupt a couple who did nothing worse than try to build a house on their land -
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/22/us/supreme-court-allows-lawsuit-in-epa-wetlands-case.html
Seriously, this could go on till my fingers get tired.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: Phred]
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What part of "Paul would make a better president than Obama or Romney," do you not get?
Dozens of people would make a better president than Romney. Dozens of millions would make a better president than Obama. But either Romney or Obama will be the next president. Not Ron Paul, not Gary Johnson, not Hillary Clinton, not Paul Ryan. What part of that do the Ronulans not get?
Phred
I'm not what you would call a "Ronulan", but seriously, its frustrating that there are so many people like you that can't see you're a far bigger problem then Ron Paul or any of his supporters ever will be with that self-defeating attitude.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: Byrain]
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I'm not what you would call a "Ronulan", but seriously, its frustrating that there are so many people like you that can't see you're a far bigger problem then Ron Paul or any of his supporters ever will be with that self-defeating attitude.
What Ronulans call a "self-defeating attitude", rational people call "recognizing reality". It is one thing to vigorously advocate the principle of limited government but quite another thing to delude yourself into believing one specific man (Ron Paul) who also advocates that principle has any hope of becoming the Republican nominee.
What none of the Ronulans seem capable of grasping is that all of us here who long ago recognized Paul would not get the nomination share his core philosophy and agree with him on most of his specific stances, it's just that we are not idiots: we know that in this particular election cycle someone else will be the Republican nominee. Not because we necessarily want it to be that way, just that we have eyes and ears and brains. Once again, even Paul has known from the beginning he hadn't the slightest chance of winning the White House. But he's fine with that, because that was never his goal.
I'm not a "far bigger problem" than any Ronulan, I'm a guy who recognizes the incredible danger of allowing that jug-eared SCOAMF another four years in the White House. My first choice for his replacement was not Mitt Romney, but so what? What matters is getting Obama out, no matter which Republican replaces him. None of the Republican candidates this year are anywhere near as toxic for the country as Obama.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: Phred]
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He hasn't dropped out! He just doesn't have the tens of millions of dollars needed to campaign in some of these primaries, so by no means has he quit or suspended his campaign, as for talking points... How about republican/democrat parties are both the same just with a different name, they strive for the same bullshit and blame each other when it goes wrong... The only reason i think Dr Paul is any good is cos of his stance to ending the corrupt federal reserve, also his foreign policy is top notch and something all governments worldwide should heed, government is far too big and should be cut in half! Also i'm terrified of NDAA and CISPA and i ain't even american or residing there! If this was going on in UK i would be extremely worried! Americans rights are being trampled on left right and centre! 1 or 2 million are being spied on! Some for as little as having a Ron Paul bumper sticker! It's a nanny state thats out of control uk ain't much better we are on cctv hundreds of times a day, Social engineering is out of control and we are venturing into pre crime scenarios (thought police) where we could be locked up without seeing lawyer/trial for an indefinate period... And we somehow think we live in a free society!
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: Phred]
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You really are quite uninformed for someone with such strong opinions. Was that a serious request? You could find dozens of examples every week with just a little effort. Here's one from today -
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/when-government-is-the-looter/2012/05/18/gIQAUIKVZU_story.html
Then there was the recent resignation of the EPA official bragging about "crucifying" energy companies -
http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2012/04/26/epa-official-not-only-touted-crucifying-oil-companies-he-tried-it/
And the EPA losing a protracted court battle after truing to bankrupt a couple who did nothing worse than try to build a house on their land -
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/22/us/supreme-court-allows-lawsuit-in-epa-wetlands-case.html
Seriously, this could go on till my fingers get tired.
Phred
Thank you for those examples. It provides discussion points as opposed to "regulatory abuse", which is so broad it's impossible to know what you mean.
I agree that the first example would be a good example of regulatory abuse if the Government actually seized the property. But the Government will likely lose this case. The officials involved have clearly abused their power.
In the 2nd example, the Government is going after a company for illegally contaminating groundwater. You're saying that's an abuse of Government power???
And the 3rd case is still open, and we don't know the final outcome. So it's too early to judge.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: Ellis Dee]
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I guess people in Minnesota didn't get the memo that he'd dropped out, because he officially won there this weekend. 32 of 40 delegates going to Tampa are Paul supporters.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
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I know you don't, but what these convention takeovers represent is a changing of the guard for each state GOP. You and the media are completely unaware that the Republican party is changing from the ground up. The RP people that are taking these positions now are going to have a huge influence on the party in the years to come. This is how the party went so far to the right in recent years, because of the Buchanan supporters that took power at the ground level working their way up the ladder.
Look at Arizona. Romney is so infuriated with the Arizona GOP takeover that he and the Nat'l GOP are setting up a shadow state GOP in an attempt to circumvent it. If he's got this thing so sewn up, why is he going to such lengths to prove it?
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: Ellis Dee]
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He was the only candidate I liked. I knew he didn't have much chance against the corporate machine of Romney and Gingrich, but I like him.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: bongjuice420]
#16271546 - 05/23/12 05:25 AM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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He was never really in.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: Shins]
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He was the only candidate I liked. I knew he didn't have much chance against the corporate machine of Romney and Gingrich, but I like him.
who told you he "officially dropped out?"
are you listening to establishment media again?
he has stopped active campaigning in primary states, but is still technically in the race and still concentrating on racking up as many delegates as he can.
i think hes too low on cash to keep campaigning strongly and in true ron paul fasion refuses to go into debt like say gingrich did.
Yep...He is listening to mainstream propaganda again....Shame on people that take that to b truth.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: Saint Marcus]
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Propaganda? In one of the glorious ironies Romney will probably get over the top in delegates with today's Texas primary . So sad for all the deluded 'bots.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
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Propaganda? In one of the glorious ironies Romney will probably get over the top in delegates with today's Texas primary . So sad for all the deluded 'bots.
I wish those were the only people it was truly sad for...
It is sad for all of humanity and the earth as well.
The good news is the earth has a way of cleansing itself every few thousands year
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Propaganda? In one of the glorious ironies Romney will probably get over the top in delegates with today's Texas primary . So sad for all the deluded 'bots.
I wish those were the only people it was truly sad for...
It is sad for all of humanity and the earth as well.
The good news is the earth has a way of cleansing itself every few thousands year
The messiah is dead. Long live the messiah.
This is why nobody pays any attention to the Paulians. They're fucking delusional.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
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Obama didn't triple the deficit...He increased it by 5 trillion.
U must really know what u r talking about! (insert Willy Wonka meme here)
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He tripled the deficit. He didn't triple the debt. Please go away and take all your Paultard friends with you.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
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And as such, you probably voted for Romney, or you'll stick with Obama. Either which way, they both suit you. Maybe you won't do anything at all, and well, doing nothing just amounts to nothing.
I voted for Paul because freedom, peace, and prosperity suit me. "Horrid assholes" don't seem to want that. They only wish to drag the world into their garbage.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: 46 and 2]
#16305038 - 05/30/12 09:30 AM (1 year, 20 days ago) |
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I beat Zappa to it. 
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: 46 and 2]
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And as such, you probably voted for Romney, or you'll stick with Obama. Either which way, they both suit you. Maybe you won't do anything at all, and well, doing nothing just amounts to nothing.
I voted for Paul because freedom, peace, and prosperity suit me. "Horrid assholes" don't seem to want that. They only wish to drag the world into their garbage.
I haven't had a chance to vote for Romney, NY hasn't had its primary yet. But I'm going to in November.
Ron Paul is an isolationist moron who thinks we still live in the late 19th century. He's history. Soon he'll be geography. Cry in your soup all you want but if you can't see a difference between Romney and the Amateur then you are hopeless.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
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Well, as of last night, it doesn't matter if Paul "officially" dropped out or not - Romney sewed up the nomination at the Texas primary. He now has enough bound delegates to win no matter what happens from here on.
As those of us with even a passing familiarity with the American political landscape have been saying from the beginning, Ron Paul won't even be on the ballot in the general election. The choice is binary: Obama or Romney.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: Phred]
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He tripled the deficit. He didn't triple the debt. Please go away and take all your Paultard friends with you.
But in January, prior to Obama's inauguration, CBO projected $1.2 trillion deficit
$1.2 trillion projection based on legislation passed under Bush before Obama's inauguration. CBO projected on January 7 that, including spending authorized under the Bush administration for the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) and government takeovers of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, the deficit would total $1.2 trillion. From CBO's January 2009 budget report, released on January 7:
The ongoing turmoil in the housing and financial markets has taken a major toll on the federal budget. CBO currently projects that the deficit this year will total $1.2 trillion, or 8.3 percent of GDP. That total, however, does not include the effects of any future legislation. Enactment of an economic stimulus package, for example, would add to the 2009 deficit. In any event, as a percentage of GDP, the deficit will most likely shatter the previous post-World War II record high of 6.0 percent posted in 1983.
A drop in tax revenues and increased federal spending (much of it related to the government's actions to address the crisis in the housing and financial markets) both contribute to the robust growth in this year's deficit. Compared with receipts last year, collections from corporate income taxes are anticipated to decline by 27 percent and individual income taxes by 8 percent; in normal economic conditions, they would both grow by several percentage points. In addition, the estimated deficit includes outlays of more than $180 billion to reflect the cost of transactions of the TARP.
The projected deficit for 2009 also incorporates CBO's estimate of the cost to the federal government of the recent takeover of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. Because those entities were created and chartered by the government, are responsible for implementing certain government policies, and are currently under the direct control of the federal government, CBO has concluded that their operations should be reflected in the federal budget. Recognizing the cost of the takeover adds about $200 billion (in discounted present-value terms) to the deficit this year, reflecting the long-term net cost of the more than $5 trillion in credit guarantees issued and loans held by those entities at the start of the fiscal year. In addition, the cost of Fannie Mae's and Freddie Mac's new credit activity in 2009 will total $38 billion, CBO estimates.
Obama was not solely responsible, a war never paid for , tax cuts and recession helped a little.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: psilynut]
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http://news.investors.com/article/613025/201205300802/obama-recovery-much-worse-than-average.htm
You do know that there was a Dem Congress in place since 2006 and that Obama was part of it, right? Of course there are lower tax revenues. The idiot has done nothing to improve the lot of taxpayers and has in fact gone after them viciously with his class warfare bullshit.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
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There is no such thing as bound delegates. A large amount of the delegates are Ron Paul supporters that will simply opt out of voting in the first round when the delegates r misunderstood to have a bound vote....
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: Saint Marcus]
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There is no such thing as bound delegates. A large amount of the delegates are Ron Paul supporters that will simply opt out of voting in the first round when the delegates r misunderstood to have a bound vote....
Wrong. There is no opting out of voting. A bound delegate is a bound delegate unless they do not wish to be a delegate at all anymore.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: Saint Marcus]
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http://news.investors.com/article/613025/201205300802/obama-recovery-much-worse-than-average.htm
You do know that there was a Dem Congress in place since 2006 and that Obama was part of it, right? Of course there are lower tax revenues. The idiot has done nothing to improve the lot of taxpayers and has in fact gone after them viciously with his class warfare bullshit.
Of course I know that. So by your own rational I guess we could blame our repulican congress for obamas slow recovery . If you look at history our best economic times coincide with higher taxes on rich people. I wouldn't call 3 % viscous given how high it's been in the past. A bunch of unpatriotic crybabies if you ask me. I like how you completely avoided my point which was FOX NEWS LIES! And so do you.
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http://news.investors.com/article/613025/201205300802/obama-recovery-much-worse-than-average.htm
You do know that there was a Dem Congress in place since 2006 and that Obama was part of it, right? Of course there are lower tax revenues. The idiot has done nothing to improve the lot of taxpayers and has in fact gone after them viciously with his class warfare bullshit.
Of course I know that. So by your own rational I guess we could blame our repulican congress for obamas slow recovery . If you look at history our best economic times coincide with higher taxes on rich people. I wouldn't call 3 % viscous given how high it's been in the past. A bunch of unpatriotic crybabies if you ask me. I like how you completely avoided my point which was FOX NEWS LIES! And so do you.
The Republicans only control the House, aren't even close in the Senate and they just took over the House at the very end of 2008. Nice try. Say, when was the last time the Dem Senate passed a fucking budget?
http://www.freedomworks.org/blog/carockow/the-last-time-senate-democrats-passed-a-budget
The last time Senate Dems passed a budget, Scott Brown was an obscure state senator, best known for posing in Cosmo.
Since Senate Dems last passed a budget, Facebook has grown from about 200 million users to 900 million users.
Last time the Senate Democrats passed a budget, the only people “occupying” Wall Street worked there.
Last time the Dems passed a budget, we had yet to send FLOTUS and her entourage to Spain. For $467k.
The last time the Democrats passed a budget, Sarah Palin was governor of Alaska.
The last time Senate Dems passed a budget, Glee had not yet premiered.
The last time Dems passed a budget, Bernie Madoff was a free man.
The last time the Dems passed a budget, the Space Shuttle still had 11 missions to go before retiring.
Osama bin Laden, Moammar Gaddafi, and Kim Jong-il were alive the last time the Democrats passed a budget.
Last time Dems passed a budget, Mitt Romney was considered the more conservative candidate.
The last time the Dems passed a budget, "Jersey Shore" wasn't on TV.
The last time Dems passed a budget, Tiger Woods was happily married.
Last time the Senate Democrats passed a budget, "ObamaCare" wasn’t a household word.
The last time Dems passed a budget, Lindsey Lohan was unfamiliar with prison jumpsuits.
When the Senate Dems last passed a budget, Elena Kagan had never served as a judge.
Last time the Democrats passed a budget, the “Arab Spring” was an overpriced Vegas casino.
Last time Dems passed a budget, Lost was still on TV.
John Edwards was paying $400 for a haircut last time the Dems passed a budget.
The last time the Senate Dems passed a budget, nobody knew how to pronounce Iceland’s volcano “Eyjafjallajökull.” To be fair, that’s still true.
The last time Dems passed a budget, Barack Obama wasn’t a proud Nobel Peace Prize recipient.
Last time the Democrats passed a budget, James Cameron's most recent hit was "Titanic." Released in 1997.
The last time Senate Dems passed a budget, Nikki Haley was serving in the SC House of Representatives.
Last time Dems passed a budget, Robert Byrd was still alive.
The last time Dems passed a budget, I still owned my own business.
The last time the Dems passed a budget, you could go food shopping without having to take a second mortgage.
Last time the Democrats passed a budget there was no such thing as an iPad.
Last time the Dems passed a budget, Fast and Furious was just a movie.
The last time the Democrats passed a budget, Kate Middleton was a commoner.
The last time the Democrats passed a budget, we were paying $1.83 for a gallon of gas.
Remember "Hannah Montana" the movie? It was raking it in at the box office the last time the Democrats passed a budget.
The last time the Democrats passed a budget, no one had launched a single "Angry Bird" at a single green pig.
Last time the Dems approved a budget, South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford was planning a certain trip to Argentina.
The last time Senate Dems passed a budget... unemployment was around the same as it is now.
The Senate Democrats have failed for the third year in a row. It's time for change in Congress.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
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Propaganda? In one of the glorious ironies Romney will probably get over the top in delegates with today's Texas primary . So sad for all the deluded 'bots.
I wish those were the only people it was truly sad for...
It is sad for all of humanity and the earth as well.
The good news is the earth has a way of cleansing itself every few thousands year
The messiah is dead. Long live the messiah.
This is why nobody pays any attention to the Paulians. They're fucking delusional.
Excuse me.. delusional? I can't believe you said that, especailly being a zappa fan... Not that has anyhint to do with the price of cheese in hongkong..
But whats delusional about wanting better civil liberties? about wanting to cut government spending and save america from the warmongering assholes in power/and the candidates for the upcoming election? Whats delusional about his foreign policy and the fact america has become an imperialst hostile nation which spies on its own citizens? Has powers to behave like china or north korea... media is used as a propaganda machine in USA and here in UK... So tell me MrZappaisGod, what exactly is delusional about RP supporters or the principles RP stands for?
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: MrLuvaluva]
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Ending the Fed is stupid. He couldn't do dick about the pot laws as President and he is a delusional foreign policy nitwit who thinks it still takes a month to sail to Europe. He refuses to acknowledge that every nation in the world manages its international trade and a failure to do so on our part would be a disaster for the US. War mongering? Hide your head in the sand some more. There really are evil assholes in the world who would do us and many others harm. Ignoring that is stupid. As far as our foreign empire goes try this:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904060604576572771371103988.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLESecond
Thankfully this dingbat will disappear soon. You're a Limey. You know fuck all about America.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
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The Republicans only control the House, aren't even close in the Senate and they just took over the House at the very end of 2008.
Ummm... no. Try 2010, not 2008.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: Phred]
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 You're right, of course. Time flies when you get old.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
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� � Remember "Hannah Montana" the movie? It was raking it in at the box office the last time the Democrats passed a budget.
Let's leave my underage fantasy girlfriend out of this ok.
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He tripled the deficit.
Is This a 100% true, factual, honest statement yes or no.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
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There is no such thing as bound delegates. A large amount of the delegates are Ron Paul supporters that will simply opt out of voting in the first round when the delegates r misunderstood to have a bound vote....
Wrong. There is no opting out of voting. A bound delegate is a bound delegate unless they do not wish to be a delegate at all anymore.
No delegates are not bound....Reality check does some very good in-depth reports into these common misconceptions.
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There really are evil assholes in the world who would do us and many others harm. Ignoring that is stupid. As far as our foreign empire goes try this:
Thanx for summing up the problem. U just have no idea who the real evil assholes are. Problem solved....U think it is taliban-like terrorists. We know it is the evil, profit-driven, luciferian one world order supporters.....
Bingo
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: Saint Marcus]
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Bottom line being there are people who support status quo (Romney and Obama) who stand for absolutely no change. Just false promises and fake idealism. Who are implementing globalism on a grand scale.
Then their are libertarians like Dr. Paul who believe in sound money, power to people (not corporations and the banking system) and a policy that involves tending to our own side of the sidewalk....
I myself don't particularly like the idea of a New World Order headed under malevolent elitist luciferian satanists. But to each their own
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: Saint Marcus]
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You think that working to make a profit is evil?
Globalism isn't being implemented by anybody. It is a natural evolution of technology. Ignorant Luddites deny this. Not my problem. They will be properly banished to the dustbin of history like buggy whip manufacturers. Commodity based currency is no more real than any other and no less manipulable. Corporations are owned by people, not Martians, as is the banking system and they both provide substantial benefits.
If you don't like corporations stop using their products. I assume that you will not be a hypocrite and that will have been your very last use of a computer, the internet and electricity. Also be sure to stop using your corporate manufactured refrigerator and farm all your own food. Build your own bicycle or walk everywhere.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
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I guess you like being fondled by the TSA under the false auspices of terrorism and safety.
I guess u like having cameras all over on every street corner policing your actions and speech.
I guess you enjoy having big brother skull fucking ur freedoms at every opportunity....That is kol. I don't.
To each their own.
There is this disorder, i forget what it is called, where the victim (usually a captive) starts to sympathize with the captor after a while... Maybe ur psychiatrist informed u u have it?
Sounds about right
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: Saint Marcus]
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I guess you like being fondled by the TSA under the false auspices of terrorism and safety.
I have never been fondled at an airport and there is nothing false about the fact that assholes keep trying to bring down planesQuote:
I guess u like having cameras all over on every street corner policing your actions and speech.
What you do in public is not in private and anybody who thinks so is an idiot.Quote:
I guess you enjoy having big brother skull fucking ur freedoms at every opportunity....That is kol. I don't.
My freedom is under the greatest threat from the socialist cunts and the IRS. They are the single greatest force for my personal oppression. Supporting an endless parade of losers was not my idea of a useful use of my effort.Quote:
To each their own.
There is this disorder, i forget what it is called, where the victim (usually a captive) starts to sympathize with the captor after a while... Maybe ur psychiatrist informed u u have it?
Sounds about right
It's called Stockholm Syndrome. You're oppression is not my oppression. Probably because you don't pay dick in taxes.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: Saint Marcus]
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No delegates are not bound....Reality check does some very good in-depth reports into these common misconceptions.
No, it's bullshit, rule #38 doesn't mean that delegates can't be bound to vote. 
It says that no delegate can be bound by any attempt to impose the unit rule. The fact that they used the word "bound" and the word "delegate" in the same sentence doesn't mean they are saying that delegates can't be bound to vote a certain way. 
Could you tell us what unit rule is? Be as descriptive as possible.
No, I'm sorry to break it to you, but the rules that are actually relevant to how delegates can be bound clearly state that they are bound to vote for a particular candidate, and that, if in any way they try to vote for someone else or to abstain from voting, they will simply be replaced with a delegate that will vote for the candidate for whom they are required to vote.
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Even Ron Paul's son has endorsed Romney and said about his fathers delegate continuation that its "good for the party" meaning even he knows that Ron Paul is never going to get the nomination. The level of delusion of El-Ron followers is just pathological at this point.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: RationalEgo]
#16310313 - 05/31/12 09:29 AM (1 year, 19 days ago) |
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I actually like Rand Paul much more than his father. Rand seems like a guy who is more honest with himself and reality. His foreign policy is also quite a bit better.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
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Ending the Fed is stupid. He couldn't do dick about the pot laws as President and he is a delusional foreign policy nitwit who thinks it still takes a month to sail to Europe. He refuses to acknowledge that every nation in the world manages its international trade and a failure to do so on our part would be a disaster for the US. War mongering? Hide your head in the sand some more. There really are evil assholes in the world who would do us and many others harm. Ignoring that is stupid. As far as our foreign empire goes try this:
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424053111904060604576572771371103988.html?mod=WSJ_Opinion_MIDDLESecond
Thankfully this dingbat will disappear soon. You're a Limey. You know fuck all about America.
I'm a Limey am i? So now you are trying to be derogatory cos you don't have a leg to stand on, thats like me calling you a yank when you are obviously from the south and probably have sex with your sibliings on a regular basis....really are you that dumb? I'm Scottish not English you balloon!
Obviously i have more insight into your own domestic affairs than you Sir! LOL
Ending the Fed is stupid.. really.. how so? They control the government and lost trillions of dollars and are a private entity, therefore they are anti-american.. they cannot explain where the money went, and are so secretive about their buisness, that it is no wonder people are concerned about them, a bit like the bank of england in a way... they keep their cards close to their chest as to who the owners of it are... all very hush hush..
They (the bankers) have engineered this whole banking collapse from start to finish!
As for your almost year old article pertaining to numbers of foreign troops, locations, and numbers... If the numbers are correct, lets say they are, over 600 foreign bases? You are tring to say that is not imperialism or trying to control and dominate foreign countries? and you call others delusional! Is it any wonder America is in debt up to it's eyeballs? I think you better calm down with the weed mate cos the only one sounding delusional here is you pal! ...It is not a rampant form of Imperialism like the Brittanic Empire (the largest the world has ever seen) granted, it is more a viral form of capitalism that is undeniable....
Your government gives with one hand and takes away with the other, UK is the same.. Economic hitmen, thats what it boils down to... Pure and Simple! John perkins is testiment to this form of fake democracy, if we lived in a democratic society, you or me could become president, but thats not gonna happen, because millions, if not billions are needed to buy your way into the whitehouse/downing st.
I've posted this vid a few times but here it is again to see if you can grasp the concept, it's in cartoon form so i'm sure you're tiny mind can handle it...
If you think you have a chance of legalisation of pot under any candidate then you truly do need sectioning under the mental health act, However, Ron Paul being a doctor,you probably have more chance with him than any other, but even still i highly doubt it.. Keeping all drugs illegal is too much a money spinner for governments worldwide.. They lock up more people for drugs now than ever and if they were all legal, they would prolly lose alot more by not locking people up than they would gain from taxation of all drugs!
I take it you like the powers the government has over you? The power to detain you without crime or trial, without a lawyer, INDEFINATELY!
Yeah let me say that agin incase you didn't hear right... Indefinately! not for a week, 28 days... 3months or a year... they could snatch you off the street and no one would be none the wiser! This is not America we all know and Love, fuck! every other country used to look up to America and want the American dream... But thats exactly what it's become.. A fuckin pipedream! Instead it's a violent police state and the pigs are out of control!
Good luck to you.. and you better pray to God that your currency is never devalued... if the Dollar is no longer the reserve currency god help you! There will be fuckin Martial law and then they'll have the perfect excuse to implement these FEMA camps that are all over the fuckin shop!
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Ending the Fed is stupid.. really.. how so? They control the government and lost trillions of dollars and are a private entity, therefore they are anti-american.. they cannot explain where the money went
No, the Federal Reserve doesn't control the government, they didn't lose trillions of dollars, and they aren't a private entity. You're incorrect on the most basic of information pertaining to the subject. Your brazen attitude considering this is laughable - you don't really know anything about this matter.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: MrLuvaluva]
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Obviously i have more insight into your own domestic affairs than you Sir!
Perhaps after you've read more of his posts you'll realize what an asinine statement that was.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: MrLuvaluva]
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
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I'm a Limey am i? So now you are trying to be derogatory cos you don't have a leg to stand on, thats like me calling you a yank when you are obviously from the south and probably have sex with your sibliings on a regular basis....really are you that dumb? I'm Scottish not English you balloon!
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Thankfully this dingbat will disappear soon. You're a Limey. You know fuck all about America.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: Prisoner#1]
#16311496 - 05/31/12 03:09 PM (1 year, 19 days ago) |
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Ron Paul is a chicken fucking puppy rapist...
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If you say so 
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: Prisoner#1]
#16316818 - 06/01/12 02:22 PM (1 year, 18 days ago) |
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LOL always P 
How are you? Still not happy about the dancin Isreali's? hahahaha... I wouldn't be either... Trippiin out my box here...
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
#16316836 - 06/01/12 02:27 PM (1 year, 18 days ago) |
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Great film... haha classic! Look at you goin out your way to offend.. hahahahha, i find this amusing.... you wanna offend me your gonna have to do better than that Zap mate LMFAO
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: MrLuvaluva]
#16316841 - 06/01/12 02:28 PM (1 year, 18 days ago) |
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Which banned person's puppet is this?
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
#16316978 - 06/01/12 02:56 PM (1 year, 18 days ago) |
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This is my fist time here at shroomery... Never been banned... Never even lurked like some peeps do b4 joining...Just got right in there to educate myself on all aspects of mushrrom horticulture and extraction teks for all antural entheogens:0
You see this is what i mean about calming down with the weed... you sound paranoid dude:( chillax...
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: MrLuvaluva]
#16317079 - 06/01/12 03:14 PM (1 year, 18 days ago) |
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I don't smoke weed and you seem to be awful familiar with Pris for someone who's only been here 2 and a half weeks, most of which is spent in the asylum otherwise known as Conspiracies and Coverups.
I see you have no response to your teacher above.
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Ending the Fed is stupid.. really.. how so? They control the government and lost trillions of dollars and are a private entity, therefore they are anti-american.. they cannot explain where the money went
No, the Federal Reserve doesn't control the government, they didn't lose trillions of dollars, and they aren't a private entity. You're incorrect on the most basic of information pertaining to the subject. Your brazen attitude considering this is laughable - you don't really know anything about this matter.
FEMA camps, LOL. You need to stop listening to nutlogs. What dancing Israelis?
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
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Another topic entirely... FEMA camps....Teacher? I'm familiar with prisoner from another topic... Don't know him well, but has a logical thought process and has some good points on certain topics... you on the other have have been conditioned to accept your current situation and being a romney supporter says it all lol...
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: MrLuvaluva]
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You brought up the FEMA camps. In re the teacher comment I was referring to fireworks god's takedown of your ignorant assertions about the Federal reserve. Like I said, you know fuck all about the US.
Now about them dancing Israelis................could we have a Truther back in our midst? Talk about conditioning.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
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You call that a takedown? haha
Indeed i am a truther as you put it, i totally believe 9/11 was an inside job and the largest insurance job/heist and pretext to war...the world has ever seen.. I totally support the architects for 9/11 and wtc7 investigations etc etc and so on and so forth...
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Dancin Isreali's: they were videoing 9/11 twin towers strikes and rejoicing and dancing and were apparently mossad agents... If you remember right there were vans/ (or A van) containing explosives found , state dept. i believe was the location, don't quote me on that.. but if you search utube you will find accounts from eye witnesses and police etc...
Conditioning.. maybe.. aren't we all to a degree... some more than others apparently...
Obviously you are one who would never question your own government or the fact that they could be responsible/or sanction many attrocities as are my corrupt uk gov...
It's only a matter of time before Syria will end up like Libya... it's clearly an attempt to topple middle eastern governments by sending in MI5/CIA/Mossad to stir up trouble and blame ASSAD... Syrian people are in no danger/or are being murdered by the current regime and the lies and propaganda i have seen is shocking... and a means to justify going in there and taking him out... My prediction... Assad wil end up like Gaddaffi...
Appologies....Totally off topic i know...
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: MrLuvaluva]
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That's what I thought. Tell us all about the FEMA camps too. We're dying to know.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
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correction, you're dying to know... check it out for yourself if you are so interested...
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: MrLuvaluva]
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Oh no, I suspect there are many of us here who wish to hear your enlightened, non-brainwashed take on everything. Because you are just so more well informed than we are. So, do tell.............
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
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In hindsight that statement was perhaps foolish of me or "asinine" as you put it....Quote:
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Oh no, I suspect there are many of us here who wish to hear your enlightened, non-brainwashed take on everything. Because you are just so more well informed than we are. So, do tell.............
I'm tripping on DMT.. kk... If you wanna discuss the topics mentioned i suggest going to the approriate thread or PM'ing me... Hijacking this dudes thread is not fair and what we are dicussing is completely off topic...
BTW... was PMSL@ the trainspotting clip... haha good choice:)
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yeh maybe that was a foolish statement on my part, or "asinine as you put it...
I retract that statement @ this moment in time:)
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lmfao... u want this guy in office rofl bahjahahahaha
Thought i'd add this.. (completely unrelated) but funny none the less lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&NR=1&v=cBgL678Vop4
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: MrLuvaluva]
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Better than this moron
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DmiDvAoCF68
The jobs report came out. Pretty soon we'll be almost as fucked as the UK for employment................
Nah.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
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LOL i know!!! Romney and Obama are mental!! The pair of them are fuckin insane man!! You honestly want mitt romney running your country?
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: MrLuvaluva]
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NO. I want me doing it. But that isn't a choice. I get to choose either Mitt or the SCOAMF.
Did you see the economic reports just released? Not only did they suck for May but the previous two months results were downgraded as well. A random name from the phone book would be better than Barry.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
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scoamf? lol.. You do alwasys have RP..you know it makes sense Zap man! I will convince you one of these days haha
Do you mean Barry Soetorro??? LMAO
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: Ellis Dee]
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He was the only candidate I liked. I knew he didn't have much chance against the corporate machine of Romney and Gingrich, but I like him.
He had NO chance, not a slim one dude! He was just a puppet like the rest of them, a misinformation tactic to reveal SOME truths but NEVER all of it. Same with Alex Jones, though he is much worse, fear mongering and scaring the shit out gun owning Americans but not offering viable solutions, nor will they touch EVERY topic and reveal the true horrors of it all. Which could be that parliament worldwide is filled with reptilian shapeshifters for all I know, but I never will know for sure as long as politics is a game of money and puppets, propaganda and campaign trails. Its disgusting. Doesn't matter who the president is, HE ain't doin' dick.
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LOL i know!!! Romney and Obama are mental!! The pair of them are fuckin insane man!! You honestly want mitt romney running your country?
Hahaha yep. And a Mitt-run USA scares the shit outta me.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: jordman]
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atleast RP has been consistent from day 1 of his career and stuck to his principles... for me there is no other viable option for the presidency.. you have mitt romney who is schizophrenic in a way, he has like a split personality... Not one i would want in control of a nuclear arsenal lol....
Obama.. hasn't changed a god damn thing!! got a nobel peace prize for what?? Continuation of wars, more spying on his own people... Laws and powers and executive orders to seize land, farms, buildings, vehicles and anything even in peacetime!!! Not even in the event of a world war he can implement these orders!
he has been very sneaky aswell passing half this shit without congressional approval...
I was a brainwashed idiot and desperately wanted him in power when i saw palin and mccain but this guy is almost hitleresque the way he enthralled the masses with his speeches... I honestly would've voted for him had i been american.. but he has sold you guys down the river.. As for his identity.. His birth certificate is well dodgy! I don't believe for a minute it's real... he was most likely born in Kenya...
Didn't he also ban prayer day or something like that at the whitehouse? or something like that? guys a muslim pure and simple! Not that i have anything against muslims... he is a great liar also and he has to go for the good of humanity...
I have a sneaky suspicion he will remain in power tho... Via vote rigging... If he stays in power i will defo believe he is the Anti-Christ... LOLOLOL
If he stays in power mayhaps the revelations in the bible will come true.. Doesn't nostradamus mention something about a dark man or something.. also the yellow man shall rule the world... (Chinese)
Totally off topic i know.. Just flung in there for laughs...
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zappaisgod said:
Better than this moron
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=DmiDvAoCF68
The jobs report came out. Pretty soon we'll be almost as fucked as the UK for employment................
Nah.
Voting for the lesser evil 
I learned my lesson from doing that and Im only 27. How old are you again? No wonder its the
same story every election year. We have people like you who cant understand that if its not working
you should change things. Obama / Romney = more of the same. Have fun with it....
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: MrLuvaluva]
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MrLuvaluva said:
If you say so
It's remarkable that you have such a superior attitude when it comes to the knowledge you have on the issue, yet you're too lazy to articulate your own point of view on the matter.
I have no respect for people who make claims and yet don't rely on themselves to back them up. 
The ironic thing is that, when I say you don't really know anything about this matter, you post youtube videos.
So, let me reiterate. The Federal Reserve isn't a private entity, it doesn't control the government, and they didn't lose trillions of dollars. You're incorrect on the most basic information on this subject. The fact that you so brazenly think you know what you're talking about is laughable. As in: .
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It's remarkable that you have such a superior attitude when it comes to the knowledge you have on the issue, yet you're too lazy to articulate your own point of view on the matter.
I have no respect for people who make claims and yet don't rely on themselves to back them up.
The ironic thing is that, when I say you don't really know anything about this matter, you post youtube videos.
So, let me reiterate. The Federal Reserve isn't a private entity, it doesn't control the government, and they didn't lose trillions of dollars. You're incorrect on the most basic information on this subject. The fact that you so brazenly think you know what you're talking about is laughable. As in: .
"I have no respect for people who make claims and yet don't rely on themselves to back them up. "
How can i rely on myself to back it up... I don't know who owns the Fed ffs... I don't believe you do either... I'm using the only evidence of a multi trillion dollar loss there is.. wtf do you expect me to do..hack into your governments fuckin system and download the details of all transactions...get a fuckin grip of your dolls head before some cunt knocks it clean off...
Ok smartass who owns it since you seem to be so bloody sure of yourself? Name pls...
yeah so i'll just take your word for it and not what actual politicians/investigators are saying?
I don't feel superior to anyone... But if you feel inferior pls don't..just watch the vids i posted and realise what a fuckin ignorant fool your being....
In love... yeah..with your fuckin self!
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: MrLuvaluva]
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How can i rely on myself to back it up...
Rely on yourself, in the sense of speaking for yourself, instead of simply posting youtube videos. Using language to express one's point of view and to explain the basis for one's conclusions.
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I don't know who owns the Fed ffs... I don't believe you do either...
Of course I do. The Federal Reserve is a system that consists of public and private elements. At the highest level, there is the Board of Governors, and it's members are appointed by the President and approved by the Senate. It's a government agency. There's the Federal Open Market Committee, which consists of the members of the Board of Governors and five of the heads of the regional banks. Then there are the regional banks, which have a legal status that is partly private and partly governmental. These banks are ran by presidents that are approved by the Board of Governors. Then there are all the member banks throughout the country, which are themselves private entities.
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I'm using the only evidence of a multi trillion dollar loss there is
Okay, so which evidence is that? Explain yourself.
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get a fuckin grip of your dolls head before some cunt knocks it clean off...
Could you speak a little more coherently? I'm not sure what "get a fuckin grip of your dolls head" means. 
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I don't feel superior to anyone...
I said you have a superior attitude when it comes to the knowledge you have on the issue. I don't see why you're trying to deny it when you've said things like this:
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Obviously i have more insight into your own domestic affairs than you Sir! LOL
Once again, the amusing thing is that you don't, actually.
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It most certainly is a private entity so intertwined with the government that they cannot be separated from each other...If you want to find out who owns the federal reserve just look at how it was implemented and who were the pressing powers that pushed it upon the people.
ZAPPA obviously wants more of the same...informed people realize that this consumerist society cannot go on the way it is going. There needs to be a huge swing to sustainability if humanity wants to survive and thrive.
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It most certainly is a private entity
Wrong. The only thing private about it is the member banks and, to certain extents, the regional banks. How is this a problem anyway?
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: DeadHearts]
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Only an oblivious idiot would think that Romney and Obama are the same or that Republicans and Democrats are the same. See Wisconsin recall election.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
#16326087 - 06/03/12 01:57 PM (1 year, 16 days ago) |
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Special interest groups the sucking of corporate cock is all either one
Of them will ever do. Sure there are subtle differences in say personality
and bullshit policies but neither one is capable of turning the country around
as they are products of the status quo. Only an idiot would think otherwise.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: DeadHearts]
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atleast RP has been consistent from day 1 of his career and stuck to his principles... for me there is no other viable option for the presidency.. you have mitt romney who is schizophrenic in a way, he has like a split personality... Not one i would want in control of a nuclear arsenal lol....
Yeah... he was consistent with what he was told to say 
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Special interest groups the sucking of corporate cock is all either one
Of them will ever do. Sure there are subtle differences in say personality
and bullshit policies but neither one is capable of turning the country around
as they are products of the status quo. Only an idiot would think otherwise.
Quoted for FUCKING TRUTH!! Anyone who see's different is blind to the puppetry going on in American politics. All your electives are bought off and paid for by corporations, left or right. The puppetry is so elaborate they don't use strings, they are shadow puppets and barely anyone can see it.
I don't factually know whether the Fed reserve is private or public, but i DO know that they practice fractional reserve banking which is just so unbelievably fucked in so many ways, simply structured to make the rich richer, and to print money from NOTHING.... they are creating the economic depression. Look how fucked up Europe is now over the EU. It all comes back to fractional reserve banking worldwide.
Thank Rothschilds, we loooove you!
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Special interest groups the sucking of corporate cock is all either one
Of them will ever do. Sure there are subtle differences in say personality
and bullshit policies but neither one is capable of turning the country around
as they are products of the status quo. Only an idiot would think otherwise.
I'm a special interest group and so are you. Why do you suck the corporate cock and use corporation products?
Even with the socialist fuckwad as President we are still the most luxurious society the world has ever produced. Imagine how great it will be when the cunt is gone.
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atleast RP has been consistent from day 1 of his career and stuck to his principles... for me there is no other viable option for the presidency.. you have mitt romney who is schizophrenic in a way, he has like a split personality... Not one i would want in control of a nuclear arsenal lol....
Yeah... he was consistent with what he was told to say
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Special interest groups the sucking of corporate cock is all either one
Of them will ever do. Sure there are subtle differences in say personality
and bullshit policies but neither one is capable of turning the country around
as they are products of the status quo. Only an idiot would think otherwise.
Quoted for FUCKING TRUTH!! Anyone who see's different is blind to the puppetry going on in American politics. All your electives are bought off and paid for by corporations, left or right. The puppetry is so elaborate they don't use strings, they are shadow puppets and barely anyone can see it.
I don't factually know whether the Fed reserve is private or public, but i DO know that they practice fractional reserve banking which is just so unbelievably fucked in so many ways, simply structured to make the rich richer, and to print money from NOTHING.... they are creating the economic depression. Look how fucked up Europe is now over the EU. It all comes back to fractional reserve banking worldwide.
Thank Rothschilds, we loooove you!
JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOZ
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zappaisgod said:
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Special interest groups the sucking of corporate cock is all either one
Of them will ever do. Sure there are subtle differences in say personality
and bullshit policies but neither one is capable of turning the country around
as they are products of the status quo. Only an idiot would think otherwise.
Even with the socialist fuckwad as President we are still the most luxurious society the world has ever produced. Imagine how great it will be when the cunt is gone.
When our presidents are bought and paid for by such groups a president is no longer in favor
of the people. When you see big banks and big oil constantly getting let of the hook while the
people get tagged with the cleanup.
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Of course I do. The Federal Reserve is a system that consists of public and private elements. At the highest level, there is the Board of Governors, and it's members are appointed by the President and approved by the Senate. It's a government agency. There's the Federal Open Market Committee, which consists of the members of the Board of Governors and five of the heads of the regional banks. Then there are the regional banks, which have a legal status that is partly private and partly governmental. These banks are ran by presidents that are approved by the Board of Governors. Then there are all the member banks throughout the country, which are themselves private entities.
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I'm using the only evidence of a multi trillion dollar loss there is
Okay, so which evidence is that? Explain yourself.
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get a fuckin grip of your dolls head before some cunt knocks it clean off...
Could you speak a little more coherently? I'm not sure what "get a fuckin grip of your dolls head" means.
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I don't feel superior to anyone...
I said you have a superior attitude when it comes to the knowledge you have on the issue. I don't see why you're trying to deny it when you've said things like this:
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MrLuvaluva said:
Obviously i have more insight into your own domestic affairs than you Sir! LOL
Once again, the amusing thing is that you don't, actually.
You still haven't answered my question cos you can't... WHO OWNS THE FED? names?.... Sorry you can't understand my patter... Sorry if i am not coherant enough for you.... I think it's a simple question....
if you look back i retracted that statement... "having more insight than zappa"
"What evidence"..... You mean the evidence that the fed was created by a secret meeting at Jekyl Island behind closed doors? You mean it's corrupt history of funding both sides of wars? How can you deny they lost trillions when it has been over the news and splashed over the net and they have been pulled up about it on numerous occasions by different senators at congressional hearings?
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DeadHearts said:
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zappaisgod said:
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DeadHearts said:
Special interest groups the sucking of corporate cock is all either one
Of them will ever do. Sure there are subtle differences in say personality
and bullshit policies but neither one is capable of turning the country around
as they are products of the status quo. Only an idiot would think otherwise.
Even with the socialist fuckwad as President we are still the most luxurious society the world has ever produced. Imagine how great it will be when the cunt is gone.
When our presidents are bought and paid for by such groups a president is no longer in favor
of the people. When you see big banks and big oil constantly getting let of the hook while the
people get tagged with the cleanup.
Aside from the fact that you persist in denying who owns corporations (people) the big banks got screwed by every fucking loser who they were coerced to lend money to by the government and who didn't pay their loans back. Do you know who made out like bandits? Every homeowner who downsized just before the burst. You wanna go after those profiteers? Oil industry profit margins are firmly ensconced right in the middle of the pack. BP is paying tens of billions for the cleanup and lawsuits, many of which are entirely fraudulent.
http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2011/05/oil-profit-margin-ranks-114-out-215.html
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As the table below shows, the Integrated Oil and Gas industry made an average profit of 6.2 cents per dollar of sales, which ranks #114 out of 215 industries by profit margin, and puts oil companies right in the middle of industries by profitability.
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And as far as Obama being gone thats laughable. Obummer will be re elected.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: MrLuvaluva]
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Of course I do. The Federal Reserve is a system that consists of public and private elements. At the highest level, there is the Board of Governors, and it's members are appointed by the President and approved by the Senate. It's a government agency. There's the Federal Open Market Committee, which consists of the members of the Board of Governors and five of the heads of the regional banks. Then there are the regional banks, which have a legal status that is partly private and partly governmental. These banks are ran by presidents that are approved by the Board of Governors. Then there are all the member banks throughout the country, which are themselves private entities.
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"What evidence"..... You mean the evidence that the fed was created by a secret meeting at Jekyl Island behind closed doors?
False.
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the 1910 Jekyll Island meeting resulted in draft legislation for the creation of a U.S. central bank. Parts of this draft (the Aldrich plan) were incorporated into the 1913 Federal Reserve Act.
Whhihc Act was deliberated and voted on on full view. You remain what you have always been.Quote:
You mean it's corrupt history of funding both sides of wars?
The Fed can only fund what the Congress allows it to.Quote:
How can you deny they lost trillions when it has been over the news and splashed over the net and they have been pulled up about it on numerous occasions by different senators at congressional hearings?
How has the Fed lost trillions?
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
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Fractional reserve banking has produced well for all.
Wow man, not only are you that blind that you think creating money out of nothing (which devalues the currency - DUH) and then charging INTEREST on it is a good thing for all. And you think Obama is a socialist. Bahahaha! How backward are you?
Please list some 'socialist' reforms that Obama has put forward that HASN'T been done by a previous president, left or right?
I'm waiting.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
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How has the Fed lost trillions?
Do you mean those trillions that are digital and don't actually exist physically - as in gold or silver?
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: jordman]
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jordman said:
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zappaisgod said:
Fractional reserve banking has produced well for all.
Wow man, not only are you that blind that you think creating money out of nothing (which devalues the currency - DUH) and then charging INTEREST on it is a good thing for all. And you think Obama is a socialist. Bahahaha! How backward are you?
Please list some 'socialist' reforms that Obama has put forward that HASN'T been done by a previous president, left or right?
I'm waiting.
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jordman said:
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How has the Fed lost trillions?
Do you mean those trillions that are digital and don't actually exist physically - as in gold or silver?
Why do you think pegging the currency to a commodity is any more real?
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
#16326494 - 06/03/12 03:30 PM (1 year, 16 days ago) |
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Listen to these guys...they know what they are talkin bout...
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: jordman]
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Fractional reserve banking has produced well for all.
Wow man, not only are you that blind that you think creating money out of nothing (which devalues the currency - DUH) and then charging INTEREST on it is a good thing for all. And you think Obama is a socialist. Bahahaha! How backward are you?
Please list some 'socialist' reforms that Obama has put forward that HASN'T been done by a previous president, left or right?
I'm waiting.
Affordable Health Care Act, his unfettered support of public sector unions (even FDR was agaist them) and his general theme of demonizing success. Never seen that from a President before and I've seen a few Presidents.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
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Im sorry but anyone who believes that fractional reserve banking is good or has
"produced well for us all" is just, you know what I dont even know what to say lol.
Fucking speechless
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: DeadHearts]
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Do you even know what it is?
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
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Do you even know what it is?
Yes and even if I didnt I have a thing called google lol.
I have a better question for you. Why do you think fractional reserve banking is good and should
"we" continue to use such forms of banking?
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: DeadHearts]
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Fiat money, fractional reserve banking and compound interest.
You need to truly educate yourself on these matters.
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It allows increased investment and greater participation in the market.
If the banks had to fund the loans they give with 100% capitalization there would be much less lending, no interest ever at all on savings (in fact it would be negative) and innovation would be squelched through capital strangulation.
All currency is an agreement. Always has been, always will be. It is worth exactly as much as the guaranteeing party. Under the gold standard how much gold ever actually moved?
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: DeadHearts]
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Fiat money, fractional reserve banking and compound interest.
You need to truly educate yourself on these matters.
I am more educated on it than you are.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
#16326895 - 06/03/12 04:39 PM (1 year, 16 days ago) |
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innovation would be squelched through capital strangulation.
How so?
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: DeadHearts] 1
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If the banks had to fund the loans they give with 100% capitalization there would be much less lending,
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: DeadHearts] 2
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Zappa how old are you and you still apparently dont understand value and the pricing mechanism.
less currency = lower prices
creating currency does not create value or wealth.
wealth and value exist despite currency.
if people could not get more loans, the existing currency retains or gains value relative to supply and demand.
demand for currency increases + no new currency supply = existing currency increases in value = purchasing power to invest increases.
ability to print new money from virtually nothing just transfers control of supply to banks/government, and along with controlling supply, they also in turn control value.
you are such a walking contradiction of a smartass old man.
you constantly harp about the government taking your wealth, but you fight tooth and nail to support the federal reserve system which enables the government and banks to steal your wealth through inflation.
im actually sad that youre so twisted, and likely too old and set in your ways to see that you are a walking juxtaposition.
control of the money supply and interest rates just steals value and wealth from savers through monetary inflation, and transfers it to the ones on the recieving end of the new currency..
if you support that type of system you have NO GODDAMNDED RIGHT to bitch about the government or anyone else stealing your wealth, because you endorse the very socialist system at the same time you hate.
ask marx what he thonks about central banks, are you a marxist?
besides, we both know you benefited from the easy credit, low interest rate system with your line of work, and i bet as well with your current investments. so you want the benefits, but not the costs.
how typical of you private gains, socialised losses neocon fascists.
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innovation would be squelched through capital strangulation.
How so?
it wouldnt, zappa is old enough he has no excuse not to know better, how sad.
printing currency out of nothing does not create innovation HOW REDICULOUS!
if there is a shortage of currency, the currency will increase in value relative to demand.
wealth and value are created by the market, not by fiat, not by increasing units of currency.
increasing currency simply spreads out currency demand over more currency units, and the ones who get the new units get to steal value from the preexisting units.
for example, the dow jones could plummet to 100, but if the currency simultaniously increased in purchasing power EVEN MORE it was actually a net gain.
sure you only get $100, but prices for everything else would also be lower priced in dollars.
so $100 is more valuable than that $13000 was because purchasing power of the dollar increased.
ZAPPA: you must be confusing numeric values with REAL value.
if the dow increases numerically because of monetary and price inflation, the real value did not change, just the numeric valuation.
numeric valuations (in our current system) are not reflective of true value, especially when you have government special interest groups, and wealthy individuals with access to large lines of credit at low interest redistributing wealth stolen through inflation.
pretty much the whole aim of capitalism and austrian economics is to have numeric values match up with real values.
the only way you can do that is by every individual spontaniously making human actions within a free market.
thus i can conclude by your endorsement of the fed zappa, that YOU ARE NOT A CAPITALIST.
fool if you think you are.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: Shins]
#16327392 - 06/03/12 06:58 PM (1 year, 16 days ago) |
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If you were a capitalist, you would not be endorsing the ability of banks to create fake "capital" out of virtually nothing.
a true capitalist EARNS capital by attracting customers' capital in excange for goods and/or services.
they do not create it out of thin air.
creating "capital" out of thin air IS NOT CAPITALISM
it is fascism
it is special interest group colluding to steal wealth.
and we both know you are on the dole.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: Shins]
#16327572 - 06/03/12 07:40 PM (1 year, 16 days ago) |
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what a fuckin response that was..literally blown away i am.... on DMT
    
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: Shins]
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Oy vey, he's back.
What destroys your whole bullshit apocalyptical argument right away is that there hasn't been shit for inflation in decades. Nothing has changed and it just never happened. Wonder why.
And oh yeah, whenever it's you.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
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Oy vey, he's back.
What destroys your whole bullshit apocalyptical argument right away is that there hasn't been shit for inflation in decades. Nothing has changed and it just never happened. Wonder why.
And oh yeah, whenever it's you.
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The government acknowledges some inflation today (2-2.5%), and that is excluding food and energy. I would assume you would consider oils rise from $12 (1999) to over $100 in recent years as inflationary.
All commodities (food, energy, base metals) have been in a bull market for the last 12 years, and this is despite several deep recessions.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
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You are confusing numeric values with reality again.
what still seems to illude you is that im not talking about numeric price inflation, i am talking about monetary inflation - money "printing"
the reason there is little price inflation is because of the black hole of deflationary debt and interest that is constantly eating up currency.
the interest is unpayable and compounds, why do you think the banking system is collapsing and more and more monetary inflation "stimulus" is called for?
it is to replace the currency consumed by debt payments and defaults etc.
so you have an exponentially growing black hole of debt consuming the old currency on one side, and on the other end you have exponentially growing debt borrowing and spending to replace it.
which just creates more debt.
the net result is that banks fascilitate both ends to their own benefit.
and coincidentally, the more debt and deflation there is, the more monetary inflation is needed to replace it.
its obviously a rigged game of banks crony corporations and government colluding to steal wealth. they created a system that causes economic crisis so that they can take command over the economy when crisis hits.
its right out of karl marx's 10 planks to communism, and you support it.
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#16328057 - 06/03/12 09:38 PM (1 year, 16 days ago) |
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Oh and for your information zap, i found out my mother is an ethnic jew.
still hate me?
or are you ready to grovel and blow smoke up my ass yet?
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: jordman]
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consistant with what he was told to say...
Perhaps... I don't like how he condemned 9/11 conspiracy theories... this was obviously a ploy to keep him in and gain votes from anti-truthers... but still he is the lesser evil among them....
I don't trust any politician tbh... all i can say in regards to RP is his consistency...
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
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MrLuvaluva said:
Of course I do. The Federal Reserve is a system that consists of public and private elements. At the highest level, there is the Board of Governors, and it's members are appointed by the President and approved by the Senate. It's a government agency. There's the Federal Open Market Committee, which consists of the members of the Board of Governors and five of the heads of the regional banks. Then there are the regional banks, which have a legal status that is partly private and partly governmental. These banks are ran by presidents that are approved by the Board of Governors. Then there are all the member banks throughout the country, which are themselves private entities.
WTF is this...i never said that? ??? So now you're resorting to lies and twisting of words...
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It most certainly is a private entity
Wrong. The only thing private about it is the member banks and, to certain extents, the regional banks. How is this a problem anyway?
you talk about providing evidence of my claims...all you do is spout nonsense and provide no proof/examples of your claims,,,
still you evade who the true owners are...are you even capable of formulating a viable response as to the subject of the federal reserves owners? I mean you still haven't provided a name as to who owns it...
It's a problem cos they are losing/have lost trillions or dollars and have no excuse for it and all they say is the federal reserve act allows us to do basically wtf we want! and basically fuck you all very much...
So what i say to you is this...where the fuck is the missing 9 trilllion dollars?
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: MrLuvaluva]
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ron paul didnt drop out. but somethings changed in the campaign recently I can feel it. anyone involved im sure you know what I mean.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: Led Zeppelin]
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ron paul didnt drop out. but somethings changed in the campaign recently I can feel it. anyone involved im sure you know what I mean.
I feel it to m8...something iaint right...
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: MrLuvaluva]
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Although zap and I agree on very little, his views (along with fireworks_god) about the Federal Reserve are accurate. Clearly there's a lot of conspiracy nuts on this thread (self admitted I might add) who will believe any story, like the ones going around about the Fed.
Yes, inflation reduces the value of the dollar, but this is a well known phenomena, and the Government provides annual cost of living adjustments to people's wages to compensate for this, so people's wages increase with inflation. Most private businesses also provide annual increases.
Inflation averages about 3% per year and anyone with business sense will invest their money taking inflation into consideration.
To say things like the Fed was created on Jekyll Island behind closed doors is ridiculous. As previously stated, it was created by an act of Congress in full view. It should be noted that the Capital generally isn't used to brainstorm new ideas in full public view. Ideas are brought in after they are vetted in private.
The Shroomery has a separate forum for conspiracies. On the political forum, people should back their arguments with logic and facts.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: MrLuvaluva]
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You still haven't answered my question cos you can't... WHO OWNS THE FED? names?.... Sorry you can't understand my patter... Sorry if i am not coherant enough for you.... I think it's a simple question....
Of course it's a simple question. It's so simple that it is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand. In other words, it's nonsense.
No one "owns" it. It isn't property. It isn't a corporation. Once again, the Federal Reserve is primarily a governmental institution. There are, of course, member banks throughout the country who are privately owned. They, however, don't own the Federal Reserve. They participate in the Federal Reserve system. The regional Federal Reserve banks were created by Congress and are more or less controlled by the private member banks, who hold a sort of stock in the bank and chooses it's board of directors. These regional banks don't operate for profit. They have a minority input into monetary decisions. And that pretty much sums it up.
So, maybe you could clarify your question. Do you want to know who owns the private banks? Or which private banks "own" the regional banks? Do you want to know who owns the Board of Governors and the Open Market Committee? If you want to know the names of the private member banks, here's a link: http://fraser.stlouisfed.org/docs/historical/federal%20reserve%20history/rboc/rboc_memberbanks_19140527.pdf. I'm sure if you find contact information for each individual bank, you can discover more information about who owns them. And that list will tell you who "owns" the regional banks. The Board of Governors and the Federal Open Market Committee are aspects of the federal government, so, in a sense, they are owned by every citizen. Oh, and a few of the Presidents of the regional banks take turns participating in the Federal Open Market Committee, but, again, as a minority, and they are all approved by the Board of Governors, who are, of course, appointed by the President and approved by the Senate.
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"What evidence"..... You mean the evidence that the fed was created by a secret meeting at Jekyl Island behind closed doors?
It was created by Congress. Was there some secret meeting beforehand where people discussed the matter? It's certainly possible. Does it matter? I don't really see how, no.
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How can you deny they lost trillions when it has been over the news and splashed over the net and they have been pulled up about it on numerous occasions by different senators at congressional hearings?
There's not one shred of evidence that the Federal Reserve lost trillions of dollars. It's that simple.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
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Oy vey, he's back.
What destroys your whole bullshit apocalyptical argument right away is that there hasn't been shit for inflation in decades. Nothing has changed and it just never happened. Wonder why.
And oh yeah, whenever it's you.
JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOZ
Hahaha back from where buddy? Am I supposed to remember you from somewhere? And what's with the anti-Semantics, do you have some sort of mental health issue?
It seems a reply your sad, sorry sack of crap statements wasn't needed since they have no merit, and everyone else thinks you're a loon. Also, only a FOOL could be so blind as to not see what is happening to the state of the worldwide economy.
Europe is falling apart as we speak because of the European Union. Good God your blindness is scary, do you have a driving license? You probably shouldn't be driving bud.
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You are confusing numeric values with reality again.
what still seems to illude you is that im not talking about numeric price inflation, i am talking about monetary inflation - money "printing"
the reason there is little price inflation is because of the black hole of deflationary debt and interest that is constantly eating up currency.
the interest is unpayable and compounds, why do you think the banking system is collapsing and more and more monetary inflation "stimulus" is called for?
it is to replace the currency consumed by debt payments and defaults etc.
so you have an exponentially growing black hole of debt consuming the old currency on one side, and on the other end you have exponentially growing debt borrowing and spending to replace it.
which just creates more debt.
the net result is that banks fascilitate both ends to their own benefit.\
and coincidentally, the more debt and deflation there is, the more monetary inflation is needed to replace it.
its obviously a rigged game of banks crony corporations and government colluding to steal wealth. they created a system that causes economic crisis so that they can take command over the economy when crisis hits.
its right out of karl marx's 10 planks to communism, and you support it.
This. All of it. As I said, I'm not needed here because your moronic views aren't of a sane person and everyone else here seems to completely disagree with you. I wonder why? 
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Affordable Health Care Act, his unfettered support of public sector unions (even FDR was agaist them) and his general theme of demonizing success. Never seen that from a President before and I've seen a few Presidents.
This is not my quote, but proves how morons like yourself are so racist they turn Obama into a nazi, a muslim, a socialist without knowing jack shit about history. Just say it, he's black and you don't like it, right? Either that, or... again I go back to you having mental health issues, or perhaps intellectually challenged? This is how little sense you make. Anyway...:
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"Ever heard of the Consolidated Omnibus Budget Reconciliation Act? The law, often referred to as COBRA, mandated that some employees have the ability to continue health insurance coverage after leaving employment. President Reagan signed it into law in 1986. Many of us are familiar with that aspect of the legislation. The lesser know aspect of it is the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act.
The unfunded EMTALA mandate requires hospitals to provide care to anyone needing emergency healthcare treatment regardless of citizenship, legal status or ability to pay. It is the reason that many conservatives (before ObamaCare) felt that everyone should be required to carry health insurance - if they did then the hospitals would have a way to be paid for the services that they provide.
I think that an argument could be made that the insurance coverage mandate included in ObamaCare is needed because of the mandate included in ReaganCare.. I mean COBRA/EMTALA. So maybe the SCOTUS justices should consider repealing the EMTALA portion of COBRA when they adjudicate ObamaCare. Seems to me that you cannot accept or reject one mandate and not the other - unless you have a political bias of course."
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Wooooooooooooow. That sounds reeeally fuckin' familiar doesn't it? And it was fucking REAGAN of all people! A fuckin' Z-class celebrity.... Oh oh woops woops, I mean a socialist-commie, Z-celebrity, right? Or will you tell me it's 'different' because it was the 80's?
Demonizing success? What a MORONIC hyperbole, its like you are seeing a different dude from everyone else, hence my question about any issues you may have. If anything, what he has said has been said because Mitt Romney is a rich fuck who thinks he can run a country because he's gotten himself rich, an ideal and belief that defies logic. More taxes for the rich, oooooo, that will make a dent in their 100 million dollar Swiss Bank accounts. Demonizing success, hahahahaha! I s'pose his wife is a socialist too because she suggested kids should eat healthier, right?
And for you to think a HEALTHCARE reform of all things makes Obama some radical socialist then fuck, you are a lost cause. You have no cause. You have no chance. You have no second chance. You were probably born feet first, this would explain your incredibly backward arse views. And you'd deserve it too, being so vehemently against public healthcare. 
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There's not one shred of evidence that the Federal Reserve lost trillions of dollars. It's that simple.
No, just a multi-billion dollar bail-out of..... THE BANKS!
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I wonder what could have caused that? Maybe printing money out of nothing and therefore devaluing it? And then charging interest on said money that just came POOF! from nowhere? How exactly does one pay back the interest when the money they loaned was just made out of nothing? I'll tell you how - they fight amongst each other over jobs so they can survive, because the US dollar is shitting itself and peoples' money isn't worth as much now.
Sound familiar? High unemployment, fucked US dollar? Hell even our Aussie dollar is on par with the US dollar, ten years ago it'd be 75 cents.
You don't need proof, you need a fucking brain to see the occurrences happening RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES.
The Fed isn't responsible for the current, worldwide economic nightmare... oh good god, the lack of eyesight is blinding me. I think I need to leave you lovers alone, you obviously can't see the reality and won't, your views are obviously set in stone and you seem to lack the mental capacity to have any sort of proper discussion. Just, pfffff you are stupid, that is a stupid thing to say, and then no details to back it up, or even worse, misinformation that someone has read and parroted back.
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Yes, inflation reduces the value of the dollar, but this is a well known phenomena, and the Government provides annual cost of living adjustments to people's wages to compensate for this, so people's wages increase with inflation. Most private businesses also provide annual increases.
Uhhh, it doesn't seem to be working buddy. 10% unemployment, education system is nearly non-existent, students completing college aren't getting jobs and are getting degrees but have massive debt immediately out of said fucked education system, the middle class is getting closer to the poverty line, more people are under that line now than in decades. There is no public healthcare option which is just so unbelievably fucked I cannot imagine such a thing.
Sorry but I have ZERO faith in the US government, and no one should, just look at history and look at their track record.
How many countries filled with brown people have they gone and blown the shit out of? I wouldn't know, I've lost count
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Europe is falling apart as we speak because of the European Union.
The problems that Europe is facing right now has absolutely nothing to do with the EU. The problems have much more to do with the euro-zone, and it isn't as though the problem is inherently that different countries with different economies are sharing the same currency. The problem is that, given this, they did not also create mechanisms for adequately managing their budgets and their economies. In other words, if you're going to do something, do it right. They didn't exactly do it right.
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There's not one shred of evidence that the Federal Reserve lost trillions of dollars. It's that simple.
No, just a multi-billion dollar bail-out of..... THE BANKS!
Loaning trillions of dollars isn't the same thing as losing trillions of dollars. Do you have any proof that the Federal Reserve lost trillions of dollars?
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: Shins]
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Do you even know what it is?
I have a better question for you. Why do you think fractional reserve banking is good and should
"we" continue to use such forms of banking?
And here the people who claim to be for liberty and freedom reveal their true stripes: THEY get to decide what a bank does with its money, THEY get to decide where I invest or store my money, and this talk of liberty is just window dressing for their own priorities.
There is no 'we': banks are owned by particular people and so are the fund deposited into them. It is between these two parties what is done, not you.
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If you were a capitalist, you would not be endorsing the ability of banks to create fake "capital" out of virtually nothing.
a true capitalist EARNS capital by attracting customers' capital in excange for goods and/or services.
Sounds like a no true scotsman to me. Capitalism is a term in no way dependant on how a given person chooses to invest their money or how firms invest that money for them. This is just more semantic bullshit, just like your thesis on "conspiracy theorist" being the summation of the root words and the other rhetorical nonsense you've been promoting here.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: MrLuvaluva]
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Of course I do. The Federal Reserve is a system that consists of public and private elements. At the highest level, there is the Board of Governors, and it's members are appointed by the President and approved by the Senate. It's a government agency. There's the Federal Open Market Committee, which consists of the members of the Board of Governors and five of the heads of the regional banks. Then there are the regional banks, which have a legal status that is partly private and partly governmental. These banks are ran by presidents that are approved by the Board of Governors. Then there are all the member banks throughout the country, which are themselves private entities.
WTF is this...i never said that? ??? So now you're resorting to lies and twisting of words...
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16326240#16326240
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: jordman]
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There's not one shred of evidence that the Federal Reserve lost trillions of dollars. It's that simple.
No, just a multi-billion dollar bail-out of..... THE BANKS!
Which have been paid back at a profit to the taxpayer. Many banks were forced to take it so that you wouldn't know which banks were actually in trouble.Quote:
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I wonder what could have caused that? Maybe printing money out of nothing and therefore devaluing it? And then charging interest on said money that just came POOF! from nowhere? How exactly does one pay back the interest when the money they loaned was just made out of nothing? I'll tell you how - they fight amongst each other over jobs so they can survive, because the US dollar is shitting itself and peoples' money isn't worth as much now.
Aren't people supposed to compete for jobs? I think somebody is worried he might not be able to.Quote:
Sound familiar? High unemployment, fucked US dollar? Hell even our Aussie dollar is on par with the US dollar, ten years ago it'd be 75 cents.
The US dollar is a long way from fucked. The Euro, on the other hand...............Quote:
You don't need proof, you need a fucking brain to see the occurrences happening RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES.
The Fed isn't responsible for the current, worldwide economic nightmare... oh good god, the lack of eyesight is blinding me. I think I need to leave you lovers alone, you obviously can't see the reality and won't, your views are obviously set in stone and you seem to lack the mental capacity to have any sort of proper discussion. Just, pfffff you are stupid, that is a stupid thing to say, and then no details to back it up, or even worse, misinformation that someone has read and parroted back.
This is monumentally ignorant. Greenspan himself warned against the real estate bubble and the fed has fuck all to do with Europe or China or Russia or India
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
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But on Thursday, almost three years after stepping down as chairman of the Federal Reserve, a humbled Mr. Greenspan admitted that he had put too much faith in the self-correcting power of free markets and had failed to anticipate the self-destructive power of wanton mortgage lending.
“Those of us who have looked to the self-interest of lending institutions to protect shareholders’ equity, myself included, are in a state of shocked disbelief,” he told the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.
Now 82, Mr. Greenspan came in for one of the harshest grillingFs of his life, as Democratic lawmakers asked him time and again whether he had been wrong, why he had been wrong and whether he was sorry.
Critics, including many economists, now blame the former Fed chairman for the financial crisis that is tipping the economy into a potentially deep recession. Mr. Greenspan’s critics say that he encouraged the bubble in housing prices by keeping interest rates too low for too long and that he failed to rein in the explosive growth of risky and often fraudulent mortgage lending.
“You had the authority to prevent irresponsible lending practices that led to the subprime mortgage crisis. You were advised to do so by many others,” said Representative Henry A. Waxman of California, chairman of the committee. “Do you feel that your ideology pushed you to make decisions that you wish you had not made?”
Did he warn against the bubble or did he help cause it?
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: psilynut]
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But on Thursday, almost three years after stepping down as chairman of the Federal Reserve, a humbled Mr. Greenspan admitted that he had put too much faith in the self-correcting power of free markets and had failed to anticipate the self-destructive power of wanton mortgage lending.
“Those of us who have looked to the self-interest of lending institutions to protect shareholders’ equity, myself included, are in a state of shocked disbelief,” he told the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform.
Now 82, Mr. Greenspan came in for one of the harshest grillingFs of his life, as Democratic lawmakers asked him time and again whether he had been wrong, why he had been wrong and whether he was sorry.
Critics, including many economists, now blame the former Fed chairman for the financial crisis that is tipping the economy into a potentially deep recession. Mr. Greenspan’s critics say that he encouraged the bubble in housing prices by keeping interest rates too low for too long and that he failed to rein in the explosive growth of risky and often fraudulent mortgage lending.
“You had the authority to prevent irresponsible lending practices that led to the subprime mortgage crisis. You were advised to do so by many others,” said Representative Henry A. Waxman of California, chairman of the committee. “Do you feel that your ideology pushed you to make decisions that you wish you had not made?”
Did he warn against the bubble or did he help cause it?
He warned against it. His only regret was that he didn't warn strongly enough and tell Barney Frank and Maxine Waters that they were fucking idiots loudly enough.
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/29/video-democrats-insist-nothing-wrong-at-fannie-mae-freddie-mac-in-2004/
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Maxine Waters: Through nearly a dozen hearings, we were frankly trying to fix something that wasn’t broke. Mr. Chairman, we do not have a crisis at Freddie Mac, and particularly at Fannie Mae, under the outstanding leadership of Franklin Raines. [Raines would barely avoid prosecution for fraud.]
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Barney Frank: I don’t see anything in this report that raises safety and soundness problems.
These two retards (and they weren't alone) were Greenspan's bosses. BOSSES! They should have been his house servants. (Not mine, by the way, I wouldn't hire either one of them.)
There is nothing wrong with low interest rates, per se. There is a lot wrong with government meddling in the market to coerce banks to lend to shitbag bums who they knew were less likely to pay them back.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
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People like Zappa who still believe in the left-right paradigm r quite humorous. The informed are aware that both entities work for the same entity lol
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: jordman]
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Yes, inflation reduces the value of the dollar, but this is a well known phenomena, and the Government provides annual cost of living adjustments to people's wages to compensate for this, so people's wages increase with inflation. Most private businesses also provide annual increases.
Uhhh, it doesn't seem to be working buddy. 10% unemployment, education system is nearly non-existent, students completing college aren't getting jobs and are getting degrees but have massive debt immediately out of said fucked education system, the middle class is getting closer to the poverty line, more people are under that line now than in decades. There is no public healthcare option which is just so unbelievably fucked I cannot imagine such a thing.
I'm in agreement with you on each of these problems, but what does the Federal Reserve have to do with ANY of them? The Fed has been around since 1913.
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Yes, inflation reduces the value of the dollar, but this is a well known phenomena, and the Government provides annual cost of living adjustments to people's wages to compensate for this, so people's wages increase with inflation. Most private businesses also provide annual increases.
Uhhh, it doesn't seem to be working buddy. 10% unemployment, education system is nearly non-existent, students completing college aren't getting jobs and are getting degrees but have massive debt immediately out of said fucked education system, the middle class is getting closer to the poverty line, more people are under that line now than in decades. There is no public healthcare option which is just so unbelievably fucked I cannot imagine such a thing.
I'm in agreement with you on each of these problems, but what does the Federal Reserve have to do with ANY of them? The Fed has been around since 1913.
Nixon took us off the gold standard in 1971 which gave the Federal Reserve total control of the money supply. Anyone who thinks using a fiat currency is going to work is lacking an understanding of history. The U.S. has always switched between a commodity based currency and fiat currency about every 40 years because the fiat currency always loses value just like it is today.
Romney vs. Obama is a stupid argument both are financed by the same large banking interests like goldmansachs. Why would these business support them if they aren't going to get anything out of it? It's pretty clear they don't support Ron Paul because he wouldn't do anything that benefits there interests only the interests of average people.
Our own federal reserve president Ben Bernanke agrees with Milton Friedman that the Federal Reserve caused the Great Depression by manipulation of the money supply. I say this because many people blame the Great Depression on the Gold Standard which was not the case at all even according to the current Fed president that so many people put there faith in.
Fiat currency and Keynesian economics certainly makes it easier for the government to fund there endeavors in the short term but it just does not last and it will crash. Commodity based currency isn't perfect there's always going to be ups and downs but if you look back through history I don't see a much better choice.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
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Your words exactly
No, they weren't his words; he just didn't handle using the quote feature very ably.
They were my words, a response to his doubt that I don't know who "owns" the Federal Reserve.
I believe you criticized them as essentially being straight out of Wikipedia - that's how easy it is to have the slightest bit of information about what the Federal Reserve really is. 
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: MrLuvaluva]
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I'd like to see how ably you can use the features ofa forum smashed out your box on DMT
Come back when you're capable of an ideological discussion. kthnxbye.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: Mycjunky]
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Nixon took us off the gold standard in 1971 which gave the Federal Reserve total control of the money supply. Anyone who thinks using a fiat currency is going to work is lacking an understanding of history.
History shows that fiat currency works fine. You apparently haven't read anything about what caused the financial crisis. It had nothing at all to do with fiat currency, and everything to do with the housing crisis and associated investments.
If you have some data showing how fiat currency is to blame - POST IT! Don't make statements like you know it all and everyone else is ignorant unless you can back those statements up.
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The U.S. has always switched between a commodity based currency and fiat currency about every 40 years because the fiat currency always loses value just like it is today.
When was the last time the US switched from fiat currency to a commodity based currency?
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Romney vs. Obama is a stupid argument both are financed by the same large banking interests like goldmansachs. Why would these business support them if they aren't going to get anything out of it? It's pretty clear they don't support Ron Paul because he wouldn't do anything that benefits there interests only the interests of average people.
Ron Paul would be a disaster for average people (you can start a new thread to discuss this if you like). They support Obama and Romney to help ensure their interests are looked out for in addition to that of average people.
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Our own federal reserve president Ben Bernanke agrees with Milton Friedman that the Federal Reserve caused the Great Depression by manipulation of the money supply. I say this because many people blame the Great Depression on the Gold Standard which was not the case at all even according to the current Fed president that so many people put there faith in.
Wrong. Ben Bernanke did not blame the Federal Reserve for causing the first Great Depression; he blamed them for not doing enough to stop it.
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Fiat currency and Keynesian economics certainly makes it easier for the government to fund there endeavors in the short term but it just does not last and it will crash.
Why do you feel fiat money "just does not last and will crash"? You need to back your statements up.
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Commodity based currency isn't perfect there's always going to be ups and downs but if you look back through history I don't see a much better choice.
History actually shows that the most successful countries use fiat currency.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: MrLuvaluva]
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I can assure you that has been grafted on... not my words....
Nobody can graft anything into one of your posts except you. In fact it appears you used a copy and paste from another user without attribution and presented it as your own work. Fraud.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: MrLuvaluva]
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I'd like to see how ably you can use the features ofa forum smashed out your box on DMT
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
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yeah i used quote feature and that appeared in my post, you obviouslythought the top comment was mines when infact mines was at the bottom...
I will be more careful in future posts and choose my words more carefully....
Just not my style to say those words so i knew right away it wasn't mines...appologies if this was miscontrued to be my work... Fraud lol... Far from it...
I used grafted on as a figure of speech... welded on.. etc. etc...
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Our own federal reserve president Ben Bernanke agrees with Milton Friedman that the Federal Reserve caused the Great Depression by manipulation of the money supply. I say this because many people blame the Great Depression on the Gold Standard which was not the case at all even according to the current Fed president that so many people put there faith in.
Wrong. Ben Bernanke did not blame the Federal Reserve for causing the first Great Depression; he blamed them for not doing enough to stop it.
I'll try to answer the rest of these when I have time but here's a source that supports this one in particular. It clearly states that Ben Bernanke agrees with Friedman that the Fed caused the Great Depression through bad policy leading to cutting the money supply by a third. Friedman also states the recession leading up to the great depression was a normal business cycle. Meaning it would have ended on it's own. So essentially the Fed did to much. Even Ben Bernanke agrees with that so show me a link where he says otherwise.
http://www.wnd.com/2008/03/59405/
He does claim to have learned from it and wont repeat those kind of mistakes again, however considering it wouldn't have happened otherwise I'd rather they stay out of it if they have that little of an understanding of how to do things right. They seem to arrogantly think they can run the economy when it's proven they have done it harm many times.
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Nobody can graft anything into one of your posts except you. In fact it appears you used a copy and paste from another user without attribution and presented it as your own work. Fraud.
Give the guy a little credit - do you really think he was replying to me with what I had replied to him as if I wouldn't know that I had just said it myself?
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Nobody can graft anything into one of your posts except you. In fact it appears you used a copy and paste from another user without attribution and presented it as your own work. Fraud.
Give the guy a little credit - do you really think he was replying to me with what I had replied to him as if I wouldn't know that I had just said it myself?
I don't go back through the whole thread when there is no quote at all. We're good. He copped to his error.
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Ben Bernanke did not blame the Federal Reserve for causing the first Great Depression; he blamed them for not doing enough to stop it.
Ben Bernanke agrees with Friedman that the Fed caused the Great Depression through bad policy leading to cutting the money supply by a third.
How was the money supply cut? The Fed let banks fail (which they should not have done), and that led to a huge drop in the money supply. The problem was the Fed's inaction; they didn't actually cause the bank failures, but they could have prevented them. So it's really a semantics argument - did the Fed cause the Great Depression because they didn't do anything to prevent it? If you want to say "yes", I won't argue.
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Friedman also states the recession leading up to the great depression was a normal business cycle. Meaning it would have ended on it's own.
The "normal" business cycles that Friedman is talking about were tremendously damaging. The Fed was supposed to help prevent these from happening, and they failed during the Great Depression.
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He does claim to have learned from it and wont repeat those kind of mistakes again
Hopefully, that's the case.
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But it would have happened otherwise.
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The "normal" business cycles that Friedman is talking about were tremendously damaging.
I never really studied the subject, but I thought that there was a huge problem with the government raising taxes on basically everything, which was highly detrimental to the economy... which doesn't sound like a normal business cycle either.
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Did you even read the article I linked. It clearly states the fed caused the great depression through failed monetary policy. It doesn't matter if we agree that they did to little or to much the fact is they caused it. The recession before the great depression would have happened regardless but the depression would not have happened.
I'll understand if your opinion is that the Fed will learn from it's mistakes and learn how to rig the economy better then the free market, but these well respected economists are clearly stating the Fed caused the greatest financial crisis in American history. I'd much rather deal with occasional ups and downs due to regular business cycles then another great depression.
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Did you even read the article I linked. It clearly states the fed caused the great depression through failed monetary policy. It doesn't matter if we agree that they did to little or to much the fact is they caused it. The recession before the great depression would have happened regardless but the depression would not have happened.
Yes, I read the article. Did you read my reply? I said I wouldn't argue with you on this.
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I'll understand if your opinion is that the Fed will learn from it's mistakes and learn how to rig the economy better then the free market, but these well respected economists are clearly stating the Fed caused the greatest financial crisis in American history.
That's exactly the point of Bernanke's speech - to state that the Fed learned it's mistake from the Great Depression, and that it wouldn't happen again.
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I'd much rather deal with occasional ups and downs due to regular business cycles then another great depression.
You missed the whole point of the speech. That there wouldn't be another Great Depression, and that the downs would be reduced next time.
Our economy is in FAR better shape right now that it would be if the Fed let our major financial institutions fail. Far better.
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Our economy is in FAR better shape right now that it would be if the Fed let our major financial institutions fail. Far better.
For now
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: DeadHearts]
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They are just prolonging the inevitable! Let the mother fucker crash and build a new system based on sustainability. NOT consumerism....This will be the demise of humanity if it continues the way it is going.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: Saint Marcus]
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They are just prolonging the inevitable! Let the mother fucker crash and build a new system based on sustainability. NOT consumerism....This will be the demise of humanity if it continues the way it is going.
I agree. How long can we keep this system up anyways? Its fuckin based on infinite growth in a world
with finite resources.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: DeadHearts]
#16347292 - 06/07/12 06:22 PM (1 year, 12 days ago) |
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Print machines FULL STEAM AHEAD MOTHERFUCKERS! When u can print money when will it stop?
Sustainability or destruction....those are the options.
The longer the world is profit driven by corporations and societies hellbent on destruction the more damage is done to mother earth and the children of it. This includes all of the animals and trees.... All of life on the earth is being fucking destroyed by these bastards.
Fuck consumerist capitalism! We need a 180 degree turnaround to sustainability and true peace and prosperity.
A New World Order is needed but not a world united and ran by Luciferian Illuminists.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: DeadHearts]
#16347295 - 06/07/12 06:23 PM (1 year, 12 days ago) |
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Almost like Social Security.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: DeadHearts]
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Its fuckin based on infinite growth
Explain how.
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Rand Paul officially endorses Romney:
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: RationalEgo]
#16351726 - 06/08/12 02:03 PM (1 year, 11 days ago) |
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Yep. Im washing my hands of all of this bullshit.
The mouth breathers can have the politics. What a fucking shitshow of a soap opera.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: DeadHearts]
#16351872 - 06/08/12 02:32 PM (1 year, 11 days ago) |
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You probably think Rand Paul has 'joined the darkside' or been co-opted by the bilderberg group. AMIRITE?
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: RationalEgo]
#16352047 - 06/08/12 03:15 PM (1 year, 11 days ago) |
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Hes has clearly aligned himself with the status quo is all. And I believe our "status quo" is
incredibly detrimental to our country in the long run.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: DeadHearts]
#16352172 - 06/08/12 03:49 PM (1 year, 11 days ago) |
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What he has done is he has been politically astute in putting on the table the fact that independent voters are required to get Obama out of office. He may very well get the VP spot which would be very good for the country in as far as his economic ideas will have more clout and his views in general about the size and scope of the government will have weight.
All of these Paulbots that think in conspiracy theory terms or still think that RP even has a chance are self-deluded (sometimes batshit insane) idiots who if they had a clue outside their little box's of insanity, would support Rand is his endeavors to at least secure the VP spot. Anyone who doesn't cast a vote for Romney in November but understands the danger of an Obama second term has to be considered morally and psychologically suspect at this point.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: RationalEgo]
#16352203 - 06/08/12 03:58 PM (1 year, 11 days ago) |
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Rand Paul will not be on the ticket. Rand Paul will be excluded from any consideration of higher office because his father is batshit crazy, which might be unfair but is nonetheless true.
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#16352211 - 06/08/12 03:59 PM (1 year, 11 days ago) |
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Fuck Romney and Fuck Obama. O and Fuck Rand. I never liked that guy anyway. Bad vibes.
Consumerism/status quo need to be eradicated or humanity will suffer the ultimate price.
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: zappaisgod]
#16352219 - 06/08/12 04:02 PM (1 year, 11 days ago) |
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Rand Paul will not be on the ticket. Rand Paul will be excluded from any consideration of higher office because his father is batshit crazy, which might be unfair but is nonetheless true.
I think it would be unfair. Who do you think will be his VP pick then?
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Re: Ron Paul officially dropped out [Re: Saint Marcus]
#16352226 - 06/08/12 04:03 PM (1 year, 11 days ago) |
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Only incredible pussies are so insecure that they use the ignore function.
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