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 This is why the death penalty needs to be abolished 
#16234268 - 05/15/12 11:32 AM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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It looks like an innocent man was executed in Texas:
http://news.yahoo.com/wrong-man-executed-texas-probe-says-051125159.html
As long as we have a flawed system, executing people is a real problem. There's no way to compensate him for his wrongful conviction...There's no way to ever even come close to apologizing to this guy...He's dead...and that's likely to be permanent.
All of the other arguments for and against the death penalty are meaningless when the system results in wrongful executions.
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Rail_Gun said, "And those kids in CT deserved to die and I'm glad they're dead. I am glad that the survivors will have to "live with it" too. hahaha"
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Re: This is why the death penalty needs to be abolished [Re: Enlil]
#16234328 - 05/15/12 11:55 AM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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i dont think it should be abolished. i think they should give people a choice. i know most people that go to prison claim to be innocent; besides the black folk on first 48 who tell on eachother and themselves any chance they get. but me, if i really was guilty, i would rather die by lethal injection than sit in a cage with a bunch of rowdy mofos for the rest of my life. so i think you should have a choice. Nowadays people in prison are valuable though. thats another story.
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Re: This is why the death penalty needs to be abolished [Re: vinnymontana21]
#16234335 - 05/15/12 11:57 AM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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Many people say that...but very few actually feel that way when faced with the death penalty...usually, by the time they are sentenced to death, they've become used to prison life and can actually see it as being much better than death...
I think if given the choice, there would rarely be an execution.
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Rail_Gun said, "And those kids in CT deserved to die and I'm glad they're dead. I am glad that the survivors will have to "live with it" too. hahaha"
Listerine said, "i want genocide for most of africa"
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Re: This is why the death penalty needs to be abolished [Re: Enlil]
#16234393 - 05/15/12 12:12 PM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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the suicide rate is pretty high in prisons. and suicide is hard in prison. you are watched all the time, every 15 mins or so. they dont let you posess materials to do it and they make it just comfortable enough for you to do some chores and count the days.
nowa days i dont think that this american society will last long and i think within the next 5 10 years prisons wont be active. but i have radical views i guess. i think that a 25 year "time out" as babysitters call it is a form of cruel and unusual punishment. and the people that deserve these kind of sentences dont get them (rapist, child neglectors, pedophiles, corporate criminals, etc.) instead it is small time drug offenders, usually "minorities" if you can call them that anymore.
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Re: This is why the death penalty needs to be abolished [Re: vinnymontana21]
#16234401 - 05/15/12 12:14 PM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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the system is flawed and this is a tragedy dont get me wrong. i guess i believe in euthenasia too, it being the same thing.
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Re: This is why the death penalty needs to be abolished [Re: Enlil]
#16234468 - 05/15/12 12:31 PM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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Quote:
Enlil said:
It looks like an innocent man was executed in Texas:
http://news.yahoo.com/wrong-man-executed-texas-probe-says-051125159.html
As long as we have a flawed system, executing people is a real problem. There's no way to compensate him for his wrongful conviction...There's no way to ever even come close to apologizing to this guy...He's dead...and that's likely to be permanent.
All of the other arguments for and against the death penalty are meaningless when the system results in wrongful executions.
I think death should be voluntary then. If you get life but choose to die we do it post haste. I also think all life sentences for violent crime should be hard labor to pay some of their keep. If it turns out they were innocent that pay along with other compensation goes to them.
Personally I'd rather be executed on the spot than face life in prison.
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Re: This is why the death penalty needs to be abolished [Re: Icelander]
#16234474 - 05/15/12 12:33 PM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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I would go for that...as long as they have the choice...That would save tons of cash on appeals, etc...
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Rail_Gun said, "And those kids in CT deserved to die and I'm glad they're dead. I am glad that the survivors will have to "live with it" too. hahaha"
Listerine said, "i want genocide for most of africa"
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Re: This is why the death penalty needs to be abolished [Re: Icelander]
#16234491 - 05/15/12 12:39 PM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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Quote:
Icelander said:
I think death should be voluntary then. If you get life but choose to die we do it post haste. I also think all life sentences for violent crime should be hard labor to pay some of their keep. If it turns out they were innocent that pay along with other compensation goes to them.
they already do work and it takes regular people jobs. They do work for 50 cents or a dollar/ hour tops here in the states. and this pays for toilet paper and candy bars in prison. and its not hard labor its stamping and other factory work that outsiders should be doing for atleast minimum wage. illegal immigarnants work for nothing in some prisons.
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Re: This is why the death penalty needs to be abolished [Re: vinnymontana21]
#16234500 - 05/15/12 12:40 PM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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it costs like 40 to 50 grand to keep these people incarcerated. i live on less on the outside i dont understand.
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Re: This is why the death penalty needs to be abolished [Re: vinnymontana21]
#16234504 - 05/15/12 12:42 PM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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I'm assuming that you don't live in a building with steel cages, guards, etc...such things cost money.
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Rail_Gun said, "And those kids in CT deserved to die and I'm glad they're dead. I am glad that the survivors will have to "live with it" too. hahaha"
Listerine said, "i want genocide for most of africa"
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Re: This is why the death penalty needs to be abolished [Re: vinnymontana21]
#16234513 - 05/15/12 12:43 PM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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Quote:
vinnymontana21 said:
Quote:
Icelander said:
I think death should be voluntary then. If you get life but choose to die we do it post haste. I also think all life sentences for violent crime should be hard labor to pay some of their keep. If it turns out they were innocent that pay along with other compensation goes to them.
they already do work and it takes regular people jobs. They do work for 50 cents or a dollar/ hour tops here in the states. and this pays for toilet paper and candy bars in prison. and its not hard labor its stamping and other factory work that outsiders should be doing for atleast minimum wage. illegal immigarnants work for nothing in some prisons.
Then we give them jobs even immigrants wouldn't take. And all the sugar comes out of the prisons. I have spoken.
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Re: This is why the death penalty needs to be abolished [Re: Enlil]
#16234534 - 05/15/12 12:48 PM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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yeah. still they have alot of luxuries in these places too though.
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Re: This is why the death penalty needs to be abolished [Re: vinnymontana21]
#16234543 - 05/15/12 12:52 PM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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Oh yeah...it's like a 5 star resort in prison...
Golf courses, spa treatments...it's awesome.
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Fuck the Amish
Rail_Gun said, "And those kids in CT deserved to die and I'm glad they're dead. I am glad that the survivors will have to "live with it" too. hahaha"
Listerine said, "i want genocide for most of africa"
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Re: This is why the death penalty needs to be abolished [Re: Enlil]
#16234613 - 05/15/12 01:18 PM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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Not to mention anal sex.
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"Hang on tightly, let go lightly" -anonymous
“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
― Robert Anton Wilson
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Re: This is why the death penalty needs to be abolished [Re: Enlil]
#16234627 - 05/15/12 01:23 PM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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ya never know what privilages some of these white collar criminals have.
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