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The Pied Piper of Sophomores packs it in * 1
    #16229174 - 05/14/12 03:17 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2012/may/14/ron-paul-ends-his-hunt-votes/

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Rep. Ron Paul of Texas said Monday he will not compete in primaries in any of the states that have not yet voted — essentially confirming Mitt Romney will win the Republican presidential nomination.




Even though I think he is a drooling dipshit he is still smarter than his followers.  At no point did this guy ever have any chance of winning either the nomination or the general election.  Now he is content to take what he was after all along.  Some kind of voice at the convention.


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Re: The Pied Piper of Sophomores packs it in [Re: zappaisgod]
    #16229422 - 05/14/12 04:22 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Moving forward, however, we will no longer spend resources campaigning in primaries in states that have not yet voted. Doing so with any hope of success would take many tens of millions of dollars we simply do not have. I encourage all supporters of Liberty to make sure you get to the polls and make your voices heard, particularly in the local, state, and Congressional elections, where so many defenders of Freedom are fighting and need your support.

I hope all supporters of Liberty will remain deeply involved - become delegates, win office, and take leadership positions. I will be right there with you. In the coming days, my campaign leadership will lay out to you our delegate strategy and what you can do to help, so please stay tuned.

For Liberty,

Ron Paul




He's not dropping out, just focusing completely on his delegate strategy.  Media is twisting it.  If you've been paying attention to the state conventions lately, Romney doesn't have it in the bag yet, and Paul is putting all his resources there.

He also said as a fiscal conservative, he wouldn't allow his campaign to go in the red like Santorum and Gingrich did.


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Re: The Pied Piper of Sophomores packs it in [Re: LloydChristmas]
    #16229461 - 05/14/12 04:29 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Quoting his exact words is twisting?  He's fork ready and he knows it even if the bots don't.


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Re: The Pied Piper of Sophomores packs it in [Re: zappaisgod]
    #16229526 - 05/14/12 04:44 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Rep. Ron Paul of Texas said Monday he will not compete in primaries in any of the states that have not yet voted — essentially confirming Mitt Romney will win the Republican presidential nomination.




That says he is not competing in the primaries.  He is after delegates, and is no longer going to waste money on "beauty contests."  After this past weekend it looks as though he is going to take Oklahoma and Arizona. He is changing his strategy now that there are both precedents for abstaining in the National Convention and that the National RNC/GOP do not actually enforce a state's binding of delegates.


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Re: The Pied Piper of Sophomores packs it in [Re: LloydChristmas]
    #16229539 - 05/14/12 04:47 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Do you seriously hold even a scintilla of hope that Ron Paul will be the nominee?


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Re: The Pied Piper of Sophomores packs it in [Re: zappaisgod]
    #16229576 - 05/14/12 04:52 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Even though I think he is a drooling dipshit he is still smarter than his followers. 




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Re: The Pied Piper of Sophomores packs it in [Re: zappaisgod]
    #16229585 - 05/14/12 04:54 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

People are generally smarter than their followers...That's kinda how the whole "follower" thing works...

I'm just curious if this guy actually thinks that theres a possibility...It an honest question about the extent to which someone can deny reality.


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Re: The Pied Piper of Sophomores packs it in [Re: Enlil]
    #16229644 - 05/14/12 05:03 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

The Paulbots have been denying reality for years, why would they change now?


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Re: The Pied Piper of Sophomores packs it in [Re: zappaisgod]
    #16229724 - 05/14/12 05:19 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I know how you buy into the anyone-but-Obama mentality, but I've got principles and feel like Paul is a much better choice than Romney. 

My vote will reflect that in November, much to your disappointment. 

I will not buy into the lesser of two evil choice. That line of thinking has gone on for far too long.


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Re: The Pied Piper of Sophomores packs it in [Re: LloydChristmas]
    #16229773 - 05/14/12 05:26 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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I know how you buy into the anyone-but-Obama mentality, but I've got principles and feel like Paul is a much better choice than Romney. 

My vote will reflect that in November, much to your disappointment. 

I will not buy into the lesser of two evil choice. That line of thinking has gone on for far too long.




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Re: The Pied Piper of Sophomores packs it in [Re: LloydChristmas]
    #16229798 - 05/14/12 05:30 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

But, seriously, do you think he has a chance to win the nomination or the election?


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Re: The Pied Piper of Sophomores packs it in [Re: zappaisgod]
    #16229824 - 05/14/12 05:36 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Don't be bitter.  I just wish that he was given a fair shot from the beginning.  From day one we were told he didn't have a chance, and everyone bought into it while at the same time Romney was shoved down our throats.

You honestly can't tell me you get excited about Romney.


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Re: The Pied Piper of Sophomores packs it in [Re: LloydChristmas] * 1
    #16229862 - 05/14/12 05:45 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I'm somewhat excited to have a businessman and manager but I am far more excited to throw the empty suit cunt out on his ass.  Also, for reasons I have repeatedly listed, I find L. Ron just barely better than Obama.  By the slimmest of margins.


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Re: The Pied Piper of Sophomores packs it in [Re: Enlil]
    #16229949 - 05/14/12 05:59 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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But, seriously, do you think he has a chance to win the nomination or the election?




I have been keeping a close eye on all the state conventions, and he's doing waaay better than he's been given credit for.  Like I said earlier, there are precedents for delegates abstaining and that the National GOP views delegates as free agents free to vote their preference. 

Here's a website that shows the delegate count that reflects that.

http://www.thereal2012delegatecount.com/


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Re: The Pied Piper of Sophomores packs it in [Re: LloydChristmas]
    #16229954 - 05/14/12 06:00 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

So, is that a "yes?"


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Re: The Pied Piper of Sophomores packs it in [Re: Enlil]
    #16230024 - 05/14/12 06:13 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I'll say yes because crazier things have happened.

Warren G. Harding went into the National Convention with the least amount of delegates and having spent the least amount of money campaigning.  I now ask, who was our 29th president?

I also bring up that this whole thing is more than just winning the White House, it is a movement to change the government, at the least the GOP, as a whole.

Zappa has stated in earlier posts that this movement will have to make inroads at local and state levels before it can take off nationally.  Well it's doing just that.  State after state, State GOP head honchos are being tossed out on their asses and being replaced with Paul supporters.


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Re: The Pied Piper of Sophomores packs it in [Re: LloydChristmas]
    #16230062 - 05/14/12 06:20 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I haven't stated any such thing.  I have been quite consistent in declaring that the dingbat messiah never had any shot at all.


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Re: The Pied Piper of Sophomores packs it in [Re: LloydChristmas]
    #16230066 - 05/14/12 06:21 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I am all for anything that breaks the current two-identical-party paradigm...but I also am a realist...I'm not going to vote for obama or romney...But I recognize that one of them, almost certainly obama, will win...

Just because you are passionate about something doesn't make it more likely to happen...you can still be passionate and work hard with reasonable goals.


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Fuck the Amish

Ellis Dee said, "And those kids in CT deserved to die and I'm glad they're dead. I am glad that the survivors will have to "live with it" too. hahaha"

Listerine said, "i want genocide for most of africa"


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Re: The Pied Piper of Sophomores packs it in [Re: Enlil]
    #16230070 - 05/14/12 06:21 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I don't think Obama will win.


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Re: The Pied Piper of Sophomores packs it in [Re: zappaisgod]
    #16230086 - 05/14/12 06:23 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

I'll bet you a crisp, clean $5 bill on it.


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Re: The Pied Piper of Sophomores packs it in [Re: Enlil]
    #16230145 - 05/14/12 06:31 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Since I don't know where your kneecaps are stored I will decline the bet.:grin:


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Re: The Pied Piper of Sophomores packs it in [Re: LloydChristmas]
    #16231177 - 05/14/12 09:21 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Jonathan S. Tobin pretty much nails it. What the Ronulans seem to forget is that Paul was never trying to be the next president of the US. He knew damn well there was exactly zero chance of that. And he certainly stood no chance of being the Republican nominee, either. He knew that damn well, too. As Paul himself said, there was more to his than just the 2012 election. All his candidacy did was provide him more exposure for his views than he would ever get elsewhere. He was never under the slightest illusion he would win the nomination. The man is a crank, but he's not outright insane.



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During the long winter nights when Ron Paul and his boisterous supporters were raising hell in caucus states, one of the regular themes sounded by many mainstream media political observers was the damage the libertarian outlier was doing to the Republican brand and ultimately the party’s chances of defeating Barack Obama. Paul’s cheering throngs were loud and clear at the GOP’s presidential debates, and his strong showing in Iowa seemed to presage a dangerous extremist tilt to the opposition party.

But today, as Paul announced that he would no longer be campaigning in the remaining primary and caucus states, those warnings ring hollow. Paul may have had his moments during a fractious race, and his supporters will continue to make nuisances of themselves at state conventions, but in the end, his remained a symbolic candidacy that had little appeal to most Republicans. His libertarians will probably be heard from again in four or eight years if his son, Kentucky Senator Rand Paul, takes the torch from his father and tries his luck at the presidential game. And some will claim he influenced the race and made great strides during his previous presidential runs. But the fact remains that his efforts fell flat as soon as the real voting started. Ron Paul ends his presidential run pretty much the way he began it: as someone outside the broad consensus of the Republican Party.


It should be conceded that Paul’s campaign was well-organized and highly effective in any state where delegates were chosen in caucuses where low turnouts minimized his main deficiency: the lack of broad support from the voters. Any place where tiny groups of motivated activists could seize control of the situation was one where Paul could make a good showing. Under those circumstances, Paul’s appeal to young, disaffected Democrats and independents who loved his isolationist stance on foreign policy and libertarian approach to social issues could make up for the fact that the overwhelming majority of Republicans had little interest in his ideas.

Paul was able to briefly shine in Iowa and stole the show at times in debates with his bizarre attacks on the Federal Reserve or his defense of the Islamist tyrants of Iran. Some liked his unassuming style and were charmed by the fact that, unlike the others on stage at the debates, he had no real plans to be president and therefore made no effort to pander to the voters. But his sideshow carnival candidacy ran out of steam as primary voters began to choose between the first tier candidates and he began a streak of last place finishes that were a better indication of his importance than the Iowa results.

His exit from active campaigning will, no doubt, provoke some pundits to claim that in 2012, his libertarians stopped being a marginal factor in the GOP and entered the mainstream. But this is, at best, an exaggeration. There was some overlap between Paul’s strict libertarianism and Tea Party sentiment about the size of government, debt and taxes. But that common ground was dwarfed by the gap between Paul’s conspiratorial view of economics as well as his foreign policy views that had more in common with the knee-jerk anti-American doctrines of the far left than with that of most Republicans.

Though many on the left wrongly assume his extremist approach resonated with the party’s base, the truth was, he had little to offer average Republican voters. Nor can it be credibly asserted that he moved the conservative discussion in his direction on any issue where it had not already moved. Every time he opened his mouth, he demonstrated the strong distinction between his own extremist approach and that of even most Tea Party hardliners.

Despite all the noise he made and the delegates he won, on the day when his campaign ended with a whimper, the chasm that separates Paul’s followers from the rest of the Republican Party is no smaller than it was a year ago.




Yep.



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Re: The Pied Piper of Sophomores packs it in [Re: Phred]
    #16231581 - 05/14/12 10:29 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Actually like I said earlier, most "Ronulans" do know that it is about more than just the White House.  And honestly, I don't understand how that is a bad thing.

He has used the Republican Party as a vehicle to broadcast his message, he would have gotten exactly zero coverage had he run for the Libertarian Party.  How many people have actually heard of Gary Johnson?

The fact that there is not broad support in the Republican party does not surprise me as the R party has gone so far right that someone like Paul does not sit well with most. 

The Republicans have taken huge steps back as far as social issues are concerned, and they are still beating the war drums.  Both of which are out of line with most of America.

I'm Trying to Save the Republican Party from Itself.

And as far as appealing to Republicans, Romney has only received ~%40 of the popular vote to date.


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Re: The Pied Piper of Sophomores packs it in [Re: zappaisgod]
    #16232970 - 05/15/12 02:35 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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I don't think Obama will win.



If you believe that, you should bet money on it.  According to Intrade, the current odds are:

Obama: 59.1%
Romney: 38.0%
Hillary Clinton: 1.7%
Ron Paul: 1.3%

You basically pay the current odds divided by 10 per share, and the winner's stock is worth $10 per share after the election.

So if you bet on Romney, it would cost you $3.80 per share, and if he wins you collect $10 per share.


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Re: The Pied Piper of Sophomores packs it in [Re: LloydChristmas]
    #16234021 - 05/15/12 10:01 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Actually like I said earlier, most "Ronulans" do know that it is about more than just the White House.



No, they don't. You, for example, keep insisting there is still a chance he will ever become president. There is zero chance, there always was zero chance, and Paul has always known there was zero chance. It's not about "more than" the White House, it's about "other than" the White House. And it always has been.

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He has used the Republican Party as a vehicle to broadcast his message...



Yes, he has. But he never had even the slightest chance of becoming the nominee.

The fact of the matter is that in the swing states a vote for anyone other than Romney increases the chances of the creature whose own principles are more diametrically opposed to Paul's than any other prominent politician in American history to continue occupying the White House. You may not like that fact, you might wish with all your heart that things were otherwise, but that's the situation in the real world. To throw out the good because you cannot have the perfect is stupidity of the most egregious kind.

This is just one of many reasons why people like myself and zap have nothing but contempt for Paul: even though he knew in 2008 he hadn't a hope in hell of becoming the Republican nominee, he refused to withdraw, right up to the convention. Worse, he refused to endorse McCain. I'm willing to bet a very large sum he won't endorse Romney this year, either. So his mindless bots will throw a hissy fit and piss away their votes, allowing that jug-eared SCOAMF to golf his way through another four years of overseeing the final stages of the destruction of America.



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