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 The Mona Lisa; Hidden Meanings, or, just a Painting? 
#16225470 - 05/13/12 06:56 PM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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What are your opinions of the Mona Lisa. Did Leonardo paint any hidden meanings within it? If so, what do you think they are?
I think the Mona Lisa is smiling because she knows how to just, breathe, and live. Life doesn't need to be any more complicated. She has a relaxed pose and vague ambiguous smile. When everyone around Leonardo, including himself during most of his life, was trying to define life and write about it - Mona Lisa was just living it. I think Leonardo learned this viewpoint later in this life so he wanted to depict it within the Mona Lisa.
She's smiling because this simple concept is generally over looked. When people overlook this concept while viewing her (the painting) it's ironic because when they try to answer the question of her "ambiguous" smile the "answer" is what they're already looking at (the painting of her). Mona Lisa is a person, she's alive, it's like she's saying "We're all alive! Deal with it! And stop trying to make it so complicated be attempting to define it".
And then there's the background of the painting. If Mona Lisa represents life then the background may represent the positives and negatives of life, and it does. The left-side illustrates a dry-barren landscape and the right-side of the painting's background illustrates a vegetative Earth with a river. There's also a bridge illustrated that is going over the river. I don't know what meaning the bridge has. In conclusion, the dry-barren landscape in addition to the vegetative landscape can represent "balance" like the meanings of the Ying-Yang.
Your thoughts?
LINK TO PAINTING OF MONA LISA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Mona_Lisa,_by_Leonardo_da_Vinci,_from_C2RMF_retouched.jpg
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 Re: The Mona Lisa; Semantics at play, or, just a Painting? [Re: swimmingfast]
#16225477 - 05/13/12 06:58 PM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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my thoughts?
I'd get banned. 
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Re: The Mona Lisa; Semantics at play, or, just a Painting? [Re: swimmingfast]
#16225510 - 05/13/12 07:05 PM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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I've never liked the mona lisa. Doesn't look particularly good or special to me. Never understood why other people are so crazy about it. Just seems like a mediocre painting to me.
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Re: The Mona Lisa; Semantics at play, or, just a Painting? [Re: nooneman]
#16225521 - 05/13/12 07:08 PM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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 You're going to hell for that. 
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Re: The Mona Lisa; Semantics at play, or, just a Painting? [Re: swimmingfast]
#16225720 - 05/13/12 08:04 PM (1 year, 7 days ago) |
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I think the Mona Lisa, like fine wine and virtuoso music, is far beyond the ability for the average person to appreciate. "Everyone" knows the Mona Lisa is an amazing masterpiece, but almost no one knows why.
I read a study recently (sorry, no link) that took a bunch of self-described wine connoisseurs and ran a taste test. They were fed $2 a bottle wine (actually from a can) and $2,000 a bottle wine from a fine vineyard. Almost none of them could tell the difference. That's not to say there isn't a difference. Expert sommelier consistently identified the difference and could often even identify the vineyard and vintage from a single taste. But the rest of the so called "wine experts" where completely clueless.
Lots of listening tests have been done with high bit-rate MP3 on people who insist they can tell the difference compared to a lossless encoder. But when tested, they completely fail, scoring no better than flipping a coin. Even when shown the results of their complete failure, they STILL insist they can hear the difference. 
I doubt that anyone who hasn't devoted a large fraction of their life to serious study of art has the first clue why the Mona Lisa is a masterpiece, though lots of us claim we do.
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Re: The Mona Lisa; Semantics at play, or, just a Painting? [Re: Diploid]
#16230049 - 05/14/12 06:18 PM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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I'm not asking if the Mona Lisa is a masterpiece. I'm asking what, if any, hidden meanings Leonardo painted inside it. Does the peculiar background have any built-in intentions when Leonardo was painting it, I most certainly think so. It's like he is depicting two different scenarios - on the left-side, destruction and the end of humanity, then the right-side, a life supporting Earth with signs of humanity because there is a bridge spanning the river.
So, was his intentions simple or were his intentions more complex? I'm making the guess that there is defiantly something up with the picture. There must be someone else out there that notices the obvious differences in background of the Mona Lisa. Perhaps, when the painting was "fresh" and had less loss-of-pigments there may have been other clues that were visible in the painting. Supposedly when the painting was "fresh" Lisa had eyebrows.
But, I am dumbfounded why it receives as much attention as it has. Maybe, there's hidden meanings in the picture that causes people to like it - but no one understands the meanings. Maybe, there are no meanings and people are just hopping on the Mona Lisa bandwagon. 
Dipliod, I can relate to your example somewhat though. In a way that, maybe I am the "expert wine sommelier" when I look at this painting and try to describe it. I can see meanings within it that the "connoisseurs" couldn't. I'm asking the members who read this thread to try to be like the expert wine sommelier when looking at the Mona Lisa.
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Re: The Mona Lisa; Semantics at play, or, just a Painting? [Re: swimmingfast]
#16230238 - 05/14/12 06:46 PM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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Did Leonardo use semantics in it?
No. I suggest you learn to use a dictionary.
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Re: The Mona Lisa; Semantics at play, or, just a Painting? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#16230273 - 05/14/12 06:52 PM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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Did Leonardo use semantics in it?
No. I suggest you learn to use a dictionary.
Thanks for noticing my mistake. I've made the necessary changes.
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Re: The Mona Lisa; Semantics at play, or, just a Painting? [Re: swimmingfast]
#16230759 - 05/14/12 08:13 PM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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Re: The Mona Lisa; Semantics at play, or, just a Painting? [Re: swimmingfast]
#16231053 - 05/14/12 08:59 PM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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In a way that, maybe I am the "expert wine sommelier" when I look at this painting
I doubt it. If you didn't already know that it's a masterpiece and you were shown it next to some mass-produced art fair junk, you wouldn't know the difference.
BTW, anyone else notice that the master fucked up the eyes? Mona is slightly cross-eyed.
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 Re: The Mona Lisa; Semantics at play, or, just a Painting? [Re: swimmingfast]
#16231059 - 05/14/12 08:59 PM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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In a way that, maybe I am the "expert wine sommelier" when I look at this painting
I doubt it. If you didn't already know that it's a masterpiece and you were shown it next to some mass-produced art fair junk, you wouldn't know the difference.
BTW, anyone else notice that the master fucked up the eyes? Mona is slightly cross-eyed. 
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Re: The Mona Lisa; Semantics at play, or, just a Painting? [Re: Diploid]
#16231067 - 05/14/12 09:01 PM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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di-diploid?
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Re: The Mona Lisa; Semantics at play, or, just a Painting? [Re: Diploid]
#16231085 - 05/14/12 09:04 PM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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You are correct!
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Re: The Mona Lisa; Semantics at play, or, just a Painting? [Re: OrgoneConclusion]
#16232368 - 05/15/12 12:26 AM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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This thread is going on a tangent. Let's get back to the reason I started it.
You either think the Mona Lisa has hidden meanings or not. If you think it does, then explain.
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Re: The Mona Lisa; Semantics at play, or, just a Painting? [Re: Diploid]
#16232404 - 05/15/12 12:34 AM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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I think the Mona Lisa has as much hidden meaning as any piece of art, it's called symbolism.
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BTW, anyone else notice that the master fucked up the eyes? Mona is slightly cross-eyed.
Maybe she actually was cross-eyed and it was no mistake at all.
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Re: The Mona Lisa; Semantics at play, or, just a Painting? [Re: Smoky McPot]
#16232975 - 05/15/12 02:36 AM (1 year, 6 days ago) |
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Smoky McPot said:
I think the Mona Lisa has as much hidden meaning as any piece of art, it's called symbolism.
Exactly, that's what I'm interested about hearing. Care to explain your opinions of the symbolism within the Mona Lisa then?
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Re: The Mona Lisa; Semantics at play, or, just a Painting? [Re: swimmingfast]
#16236087 - 05/15/12 07:21 PM (1 year, 5 days ago) |
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IMO its an astrology painting the right being the sunny side, and the other Moon side, both have paths, showing the two ways of life.. the moon side is more distinct lines, while the sun side is more of a blend of nature, it seems the better way to go, my take on it. the smile is saying I know something you dont
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 Re: The Mona Lisa; Hidden Meanings, or, just a Painting? [Re: swimmingfast]
#16245115 - 05/17/12 02:53 PM (1 year, 3 days ago) |
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Very interesting post(: Great topic.
First off, I would simply like to say.. you all seem to be referring to the picture as a 'she.' In fact, Leonardo created this magnificent piece of art as a SELF portrait. Exaggerating some features as well as some interesting means of making it look more feminine(ex; notice how the background on the right is slightly higher up than on the left, this is said to create a more 'feminine' appearance in a picture.. Ive never really understood this but many people who study artwork agree on this.)
Anywho, its very hard to say. Personally, I believe there are a few hidden messages in this (along with most of da Vince's) artwork. But probably not as much as theres cracked up to be. People these days seem to think every little detail in everything has 'meaning' (myself included) but at the same time could it not just be the beauty and complexity of the art?
I'm sure that any purposely included messages were probably very obscure however.. Leonardo da Vince was a VERY strange individual.. many considered him to be insane.. and he had multiple mental illnesses(not sure what though- google it :p). It also is very interesting to me that often times the most amazing artists, musicians, theologists, etc. are commonly have mental illnesses.. perhaps its the way of life that if one aspect of a person is diluted others are greatly strengthened; making all people truly equal, only in different ways.
Very sorry.. this went on far to long and probably makes no sense, and got very off topic..... I'm rather blazed atm =p
And if your interested in these types of things; you should read the book 'The Da Vince Code' by Dan Brown.. absolutely genius book! (and 9750927309573 times better than the movie) His newest book 'The Lost Symbol' is also increadable (and my favorite book). Check em out!(:
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 Re: The Mona Lisa; Semantics at play, or, just a Painting? [Re: stumpme]
#16245130 - 05/17/12 02:58 PM (1 year, 3 days ago) |
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@Stumpme.. WOW!! Amazing response!! Very interesting! Probably the best interpretation I've ever heard!! I will definitely think of that whenever I see it here on out I'm sure!
*applause* Bravo!(:
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Re: The Mona Lisa; Hidden Meanings, or, just a Painting? [Re: Sykes]
#16245364 - 05/17/12 03:54 PM (1 year, 3 days ago) |
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Sykes said:First off, I would simply like to say.. you all seem to be referring to the picture as a 'she.' In fact, Leonardo created this magnificent piece of art as a SELF portrait.
Facts is there?
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Re: The Mona Lisa; Hidden Meanings, or, just a Painting? [Re: swimmingfast]
#16245439 - 05/17/12 04:09 PM (1 year, 3 days ago) |
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Well I guess I cant truly be sure.. thats what I was taught in school though as well as via other sources :o
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Re: The Mona Lisa; Hidden Meanings, or, just a Painting? [Re: Sykes]
#16245501 - 05/17/12 04:25 PM (1 year, 3 days ago) |
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Well I guess I cant truly be sure.. thats what I was taught in school though as well as via other sources :o
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Re: The Mona Lisa; Hidden Meanings, or, just a Painting? [Re: swimmingfast]
#16246596 - 05/17/12 08:18 PM (1 year, 3 days ago) |
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Some say that Mona Lisa was really a portrait of his gay lover, Salai.
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Re: The Mona Lisa; Hidden Meanings, or, just a Painting? [Re: swimmingfast]
#16247569 - 05/17/12 11:44 PM (1 year, 3 days ago) |
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I was under the impression that this was an opinionated thread.. Obviously we could never know for sure. That is simply what I have come to believe.
And how the fuck is a teacher anywhere close to a profit? Lmao that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard :p
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Re: The Mona Lisa; Hidden Meanings, or, just a Painting? [Re: Sykes]
#16247794 - 05/18/12 12:34 AM (1 year, 3 days ago) |
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My bad Skyes. I'm the wrong one. Don't get your panties in a bunch though. I've been thinking too much lately and I got logic stuck in my brain. I made a quick post without thinking and made a mistake. This is a say-all thread as you mentioned. I just get so stoked talking about Leonardo and his work. I was very interested in the information you presented and was curious where you obtained it - I didn't have the right to call you out on it so quickly to judge. Anyways, I'm learning from my mistakes. Please continue to share your opinions and I won't criticize again.
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Re: The Mona Lisa; Hidden Meanings, or, just a Painting? [Re: swimmingfast]
#16250148 - 05/18/12 03:35 PM (1 year, 2 days ago) |
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swimmingfast said:
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Sykes said:First off, I would simply like to say.. you all seem to be referring to the picture as a 'she.' In fact, Leonardo created this magnificent piece of art as a SELF portrait.
Facts is there?
You got to make up your mind, it's either symbolism, or facts.
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Re: The Mona Lisa; Hidden Meanings, or, just a Painting? [Re: MushroomTrip]
#16251106 - 05/18/12 07:55 PM (1 year, 2 days ago) |
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Sykes said:First off, I would simply like to say.. you all seem to be referring to the picture as a 'she.' In fact, Leonardo created this magnificent piece of art as a SELF portrait.
Facts is there?
You got to make up your mind, it's either symbolism, or facts.
 Good one! 
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Re: The Mona Lisa; Hidden Meanings, or, just a Painting? [Re: falcon]
#16251182 - 05/18/12 08:19 PM (1 year, 2 days ago) |
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It's both. It seems always to be both. Both are accepted. Facts and Subjectivity.
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Re: The Mona Lisa; Hidden Meanings, or, just a Painting? [Re: swimmingfast]
#16251836 - 05/18/12 10:52 PM (1 year, 2 days ago) |
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Lol you have no need to be sorry XD I was having a very moody day.. Very immature of me.. Lol sorry all I kinda led this thread down the wrong path :s
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Re: The Mona Lisa; Hidden Meanings, or, just a Painting? [Re: swimmingfast]
#16253607 - 05/19/12 12:05 PM (1 year, 2 days ago) |
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It's both. It seems always to be both.
 Yeah, seems that way to me too.
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Re: The Mona Lisa; Hidden Meanings, or, just a Painting? [Re: falcon]
#16267108 - 05/22/12 12:23 PM (11 months, 23 days ago) |
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I made up another subjective answer!
Mona Lisa knows the meaning of life. She laughs inside and can barely hold it in. There are two outcomes, left and right which are behind her, if you don't understand the meaning of life.
Interesting Mona Lisa picture, look at it!
http://www.happenstand.com/images/upload/0/3355/1267312594.jpg
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