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 c0sm0nautt
 
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 Reincarnation / Reappearance 
#16218925 - 05/12/12 11:10 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Interesting perspective on reincarnation and what happens after death.
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The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant, and has forgotten the gift. - Albert Einstein
    
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 vinnymontana21
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Re: Reincarnation / Reappearance [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#16218932 - 05/12/12 11:12 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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how does this guy know a damn thing.
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Icelander
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He has a video. 
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"People convince themselves of their own lies, becoming victims of their own inventions as they begin to direct their lives by standards of behavior, ideas, feelings, or instincts which do not correspond to their inner reality. What is truly serious in this matter is that the individual loses all points of reference regarding what comprises truth, and what comprises lies. He becomes used to considering as true only that which is convenient for his personal interests; everything that is in opposition to his self-esteem or in conflict with already established prejudices, he considers false."
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Re: Reincarnation / Reappearance [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#16220034 - 05/12/12 04:34 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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interesting.
Bashar is a bit too much for my ego to buy, but what he's saying here is almost exactly as it got presented to me
in my contacts with higher reality.
I live in a belief that a very special soul, who left me long ago, came back in another body, yet the persons
who carry this soul are still both alive. Like simultaneous incarnations of the same soul. Interestingly, they were
both born at the same date and place, probably in the very same room.
This made me think of how many incarnations of me walk the globe at this age of time.
Where that came from, it was also shown, how your next life might be what currently looks like past of distant future.
2nd part of the video is just like Richard Bach's quote
"Here is a test to find whether your mission on earth is finished: If you're alive, it isn't. "
3rd - He talks about a choice to continue in a parallel reality when you die. I clearly remember that I have been given such a choice before,
and chose illusion over returning home (blue pill / red pill analogy).
14 days after this I was seriously questioning if I am already dead, because everything felt different.
I must say that there were no drugs involved and I'm considered sane by the ones who proclaimed themselves experts on determining it.
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c0sm0nautt
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Re: Reincarnation / Reappearance [Re: cbub]
#16220092 - 05/12/12 04:47 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Yea, who knows, you could be on round 2 or 3... or 12. 
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c0sm0nautt
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Quote:
vinnymontana21 said:
how does this guy know a damn thing.
The voice you are hearing is supposedly an ET consciousness (Bashar) being channeled through the man (Daryl). And you are right to be skeptical, just keep an open mind as well. 
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The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant, and has forgotten the gift. - Albert Einstein
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Re: Reincarnation / Reappearance [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#16220207 - 05/12/12 05:14 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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That was fairly trippy but I prefer the Buddhas answer and approach because I've seen enough suffering. And I don't believe it was by conscious choice but perhaps unconscious.
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g00ru
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Re: Reincarnation / Reappearance [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#16220778 - 05/12/12 07:30 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Okay here's my problem with his idea of reincarnation. i did some stuff this morning, i'll do some stuff tonight. It's a clear continuous consciousness. Buddhist reincarnation also says that it's not really "you," it's another individual, it's just a causal relationship between consciousness. But they do acknowledge a chronological order.
I've noticed how Bashar emphasizes that everything is happening "right now." Yeah, I dig that, the whole tree of life idea where all our lives are happening simultaneously, we're all connected to the oversoul outside of time.
But, if we die and go on somehow, and take another body, isn't it just as reasonable to say that is "my" reincarnation?
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Re: Reincarnation / Reappearance [Re: g00ru]
#16222383 - 05/13/12 01:49 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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So.. something from beyond doesn't fit the physics model of our universe. It's really pointless to go and try understand it with a head
designed for this world.
A you is hard to define sometimes. Personality is a property of an individual incarnation and the link to memory is discontinued.
In this sense each incarnation is a separate and unique individual, but the one having the experience of it is the same.
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g00ru
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Re: Reincarnation / Reappearance [Re: cbub]
#16223737 - 05/13/12 12:52 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Okay, well for one thing he says in that video that you do still have access to memories. And the Akashic Record is this astral plane concept that no data is lost. I'm just sayin he seems to emphasize the holistic side of the equation and do away with the dualistic side, but the dualistic side of the past and future lives equation can really come in handy in this life as I am finding out right now.
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Kickle
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Re: Reincarnation / Reappearance [Re: g00ru]
#16223758 - 05/13/12 12:57 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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The emphasis on choice only works in well to-do societies where the suffering often comes not from circumstance but from within. Most places this sort of talk would get laughed off the stage because they would never choose to suffer in the way they do.
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g00ru
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Re: Reincarnation / Reappearance [Re: Kickle]
#16223800 - 05/13/12 01:04 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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But as long as we're within the context of reincarnation, why was I born in this society? Blind chance? I don't think so! People in third world countries do have it way harder in terms of how oppressive their conditions are, but that doesn't make our existential freedom and capacity for choice in the first world any less real. The spiritual evolution we see in America is not just some by-product of an over indulgent leisure based lifestyle. It's a really necessary thing to occur that is benefitting the world.
Also, suffering comes from outside in first world countries quite a bit. It just happens in sneakier ways. Manipulation is a very real thing that happens all the time to all sorts of people...suffering does not just come from within, there are people out there, in this very nation, trying to make you suffer more. Of course, if you can come to stillness and peace within yourself, you are finally in a position to do away with those negative aspects of your relationships 
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Re: Reincarnation / Reappearance [Re: Icelander]
#16223815 - 05/13/12 01:06 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
Icelander said:
He has a video.
Also a nice Hawaiian shirt.
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Kickle
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Re: Reincarnation / Reappearance [Re: g00ru]
#16223879 - 05/13/12 01:19 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Quote:
oojijimoo said:
But as long as we're within the context of reincarnation, why was I born in this society? Blind chance? I don't think so! People in third world countries do have it way harder in terms of how oppressive their conditions are, but that doesn't make our existential freedom and capacity for choice in the first world any less real. The spiritual evolution we see in America is not just some by-product of an over indulgent leisure based lifestyle. It's a really necessary thing to occur that is benefitting the world.
Also, suffering comes from outside in first world countries quite a bit. It just happens in sneakier ways. Manipulation is a very real thing that happens all the time to all sorts of people...suffering does not just come from within, there are people out there, in this very nation, trying to make you suffer more. Of course, if you can come to stillness and peace within yourself, you are finally in a position to do away with those negative aspects of your relationships
Who knows why? Not me. This is the topic of many religions and philosophies and each has a different answer depending on the environment the idea springs up in. I tend to think his answer is a product of a modern western environment with an excess of resources and an influx of eastern ideologies. So while I don't know the ultimate answer I do have my suspicions about the existing answers and how they came to be.
And thanks for distinguishing that our suffering is not entirely internal. That's a real good thing to remind me. I edited in the word "often" because I totally agree with you.
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c0sm0nautt
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Re: Reincarnation / Reappearance [Re: g00ru]
#16224066 - 05/13/12 01:51 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Yea the whole time thing makes my head spin too. It seems like it can't be both chronological and simultaneous, these two ideas conflict from our perspective.
Perhaps reincarnation is not chronological, and the personality we consider "me", does not survive any further than physical death. Bashar states that we become "more of our self" and look at this physical life as "waking from a dream." So some choose to enter another physical life, but the personality that we currently identify as is 'amped up' to the "more of our self" by that point, operating out of linear time. This is how we could always have access to it all, at any moment. Time seems to be a necessary condition for experience in physical reality, but perhaps isn't fundamental to the larger reality?
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Re: Reincarnation / Reappearance [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#16224495 - 05/13/12 03:19 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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hmm yeah, so the post-death self can choose to experience any number of lives, which exist as possibilities outside of time. Sure that's possible, but something tells me time still means something on the astral plane, we might just relate to it differently. Like, the speed at which you move in a dream seems to have quite a bit to do with time...you can move much faster or slower and as such time is still existent but also much more malleable.
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c0sm0nautt
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Re: Reincarnation / Reappearance [Re: g00ru]
#16224592 - 05/13/12 03:35 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Yea, if time is moving much faster there then from our perspective it would seem "out of time" even if they still have a form of time.
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The intuitive mind is a sacred gift, and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant, and has forgotten the gift. - Albert Einstein
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Re: Reincarnation / Reappearance [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#16224708 - 05/13/12 03:54 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Can someone please clarify what the astral realm is for me? I'm unsure if I've ever experienced it. I've seen some weird things but I'm unsure if it's the correct 'realm' or not.
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c0sm0nautt
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Re: Reincarnation / Reappearance [Re: White Beard]
#16224739 - 05/13/12 03:58 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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It just a term we throw around for non-physical reality.
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Re: Reincarnation / Reappearance [Re: c0sm0nautt]
#16224763 - 05/13/12 04:03 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Whats non-physical reality?
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