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Pharmacology is the study of how drugs work. You should consider looking into it.
Otto Warburg discovered how cancer cells use anaerobic forms of metabolism despite aerobic conditions, that's something you learn about in college-level courses. But again, it's not the primary source or cause of cancer, as was proven in more modern studies. It's the result of the presence of cancerous cells. So Warburg's original theory that the switch to anaerobic metabolism being the source an cause of cancer has been widely disproven, but that's not to say it isn't a promising modality of treatment.
Again I'll ask, do you know what the SOURCE of cancer malignancies are?
Since you claim to be an expert in the science field, go ahead and tell me how Max Gerson's approach of coffee enemas, and liver injections of Laetrile and raw calves liver help stave off malignancies.
You should be able to point out exact physiologic mechanisms if you claim to be so knowledgeable about it.
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It's about the Gerson diet. I watched it a few months ago. It's pretty well done adn present both sides or the debate. The director is clearly biased though, so keep that in mind.
Quote: Emmanuel Goldstein said: What ever LiquidSmock put out there is complete and utter trash pharmaceutical propaganda.
The sources sited are
-the National Cancer Institute -the American Cancer Society -the U.S. Department of Health and Human Services -National Institute of Health -Office of Technologic Assessment to the U.S. Congress -Journal of the American Medical Association -Immunology Research Foundation -National Institute of Medicine -American Society of Clinical Oncology -Canadian Medical Association -Journal of Medical Oncology -Journal of Surgical Oncology
If you want to talk about propoganda, Max Gerson once claimed that his treatment "usually heals the body of all diseases simultaneously."
I wonder how your so-called scientific expertise accepts this claim.
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i really didn't want this thread to turn into another redundant argument. i was looking for some positive help, not negativity. it's cool though, i do it to other people sometimes.
Let's take a look at some of the main opponents of the Gerson Therapy and what they've had to say.
American Cancer Society:
"There have been no well-controlled studies published in the available medical literature that show the Gerson therapy is effective in treating cancer."
"There is very little scientific evidence to support the use of other components of the Gerson regimen, such as consuming only fresh, raw juices prepared in a certain way, eliminating salt from the diet, and “detoxifying” the liver through coffee enemas and injected liver extracts, have very little scientific evidence to support their use against cancer"
"Use of the Gerson therapy can lead to a number of significant problems. Serious illness and death have occurred from some of the components of the treatment, such as the coffee enemas, which remove potassium from the body and can lead to electrolyte imbalances. Continued home use of enemas may cause the colon's normal function to weaken, worsening constipation problems and colitis. Some metabolic diets used in combination with enemas cause dehydration."
National Cancer Institute:
"No conclusions about the effectiveness of the Gerson therapy, either as an adjuvant to other cancer therapies or as a cure, can be drawn from any of the studies reported above."
"Because no prospective, controlled study of the use of the Gerson therapy in cancer patients has been reported in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, no level of evidence analysis is possible for this approach. The data that are available are not sufficient to warrant claims that the Gerson therapy is effective as an adjuvant to other cancer therapies or as a cure. At this time, the use of the Gerson therapy in the treatment of cancer patients cannot be recommended"
Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center (One of the two top ranked cancer research centers and cancer hospitals in the country):
"Regimen developed by Max Gerson, involving a strict metabolic diet, coffee enemas, and various supplements, including laetrile, which is illegal in the United States"
Do some reading about Laetrile, and reconsider the fact that injecting it into patients' livers was part of his treatment.
"Coffee enemas can cause infections, dangerous electrolyte deficiencies, and death (5). Despite proponents' claims of recovery rates as high as 70-90 percent, case reviews by the NCI and New York County Medical Society in 1947 found no evidence of the Gerson diet's benefit for cancer"
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Quote: newshOne said: Please consider reading "the china study"
The China Study has already been shown to have alot clearly misconstrued evidence, to the point of propoganda in terms of how it presents data that supposedly backs its claims.
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Quote: LiquidSmock said: Let's take a look at some of the main opponents of the Gerson Therapy and what they've had to say.
American Cancer Society:
"There have been no well-controlled studies published in the available medical literature that show the Gerson therapy is effective in treating cancer."
"There is very little scientific evidence to support the use of other components of the Gerson regimen, such as consuming only fresh, raw juices prepared in a certain way, eliminating salt from the diet, and “detoxifying” the liver through coffee enemas and injected liver extracts, have very little scientific evidence to support their use against cancer"
"Use of the Gerson therapy can lead to a number of significant problems. Serious illness and death have occurred from some of the components of the treatment, such as the coffee enemas, which remove potassium from the body and can lead to electrolyte imbalances. Continued home use of enemas may cause the colon's normal function to weaken, worsening constipation problems and colitis. Some metabolic diets used in combination with enemas cause dehydration."
National Cancer Institute:
"No conclusions about the effectiveness of the Gerson therapy, either as an adjuvant to other cancer therapies or as a cure, can be drawn from any of the studies reported above."
"Because no prospective, controlled study of the use of the Gerson therapy in cancer patients has been reported in a peer-reviewed scientific journal, no level of evidence analysis is possible for this approach. The data that are available are not sufficient to warrant claims that the Gerson therapy is effective as an adjuvant to other cancer therapies or as a cure. At this time, the use of the Gerson therapy in the treatment of cancer patients cannot be recommended"
Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center (One of the two top ranked cancer research centers and cancer hospitals in the country):
"Regimen developed by Max Gerson, involving a strict metabolic diet, coffee enemas, and various supplements, including laetrile, which is illegal in the United States"
Do some reading about Laetrile, and reconsider the fact that injecting it into patients' livers was part of his treatment.
"Coffee enemas can cause infections, dangerous electrolyte deficiencies, and death (5). Despite proponents' claims of recovery rates as high as 70-90 percent, case reviews by the NCI and New York County Medical Society in 1947 found no evidence of the Gerson diet's benefit for cancer"
not trying to stoke your fire here, but every one of your examples have links to big pharma, which i will never trust beyond symptom relief. you really have no argument. i'm sure you're not willing to read his book, so at least watch the movie that goldstein posted. the doctors that are against it are morons like dean edell and others who all look mean. they're also all unwilling to accept any information which doesn't flow through any of the organizations, institutes, etc that you so kindly listed earlier. every one of those are part of the industry....why do i feel like i'm beating a dead fucking horse? if i die, you're welcome to say you told me so..
oops railgun posted the movie link. goldstein had sent it to me pm.
not trying to stoke your fire here, but every one of your examples have links to big pharma, which i will never trust beyond symptom relief. you really have no argument. i'm sure you're not willing to read his book, so at least watch the movie that goldstein posted. the doctors that are against it are morons like dean edell and others who all look mean. they're also all unwilling to accept any information which doesn't flow through any of the organizations, institutes, etc that you so kindly listed earlier. every one of those are part of the industry....why do i feel like i'm beating a dead fucking horse? if i die, you're welcome to say you told me so..
oops railgun posted the movie link. goldstein had sent it to me pm.
I think you're far too dismissive of the scientific community as a whole, and the system of evidence-based medicine. Yes big Pharmceutical companies provide all hospitals with medication, but to dismiss all the findings when the country's most respected cancer research institutes overviewed what was considered a new advent is just unreasonable.
They take the actual time to statistically breakdown the lack of significant findings, fact by fact, and point out verbatum sources sited directly to real controlled studies and peer review methods.
Their duty is to provide patients with accurate information about cancer treatments, unlike the move link you provided, which is again a biased source that relies almost completely on anecdotal evidence.
You're forgetting to realize that the people behind the Gerson Institute are also simply just trying to make money off of their treatments, hence the biased promotion of their tactics through the spread of even more biased movies.
The difference between conventional cancer therapy and the Gerson therapy is that conventional methods actually have solid reconfirmed proof of their efficacy from numerous controlled studies. Along with real molecular physiologic mechanisms as to how they fight off cancer.
You may want to also consider reading an actual textbook on cancers and oncologic pathology, clearly goldstein hasn't. The more you take the time to actually educate yourself about the science of cancers, or even basic human chemophysiology, the more you'll realize why the Gerson Therapy was dismissed by scientists and cancer experts.
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Quote: passifloracaerulea said: i've never done an enema, especially coffee! that should be interesting to see what my liver releases. i once did a liver cleanse kit that you buy in the health food stores and it made me shit this pure neon yellow bile. it's such a good feeling to get that shit out.
I'm beginning to realize that your understanding of human physiology is pretty minimal. I strongly encourage that you take the time to read a textbook or take a class on physiology, nutrition, and biochemistry.
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Quote: passifloracaerulea said: i'd be delusional if i thought this was a for sure cure. that would be like saying organic farms across the world could save the earth from the fukushima #4 situation. there's more to this, or maybe it's too late for the earth now and that will project into my visualizations. i've even been thinking today about rejecting the whole entire agriculture system and eat native foods only. i learned to do it well while i was on the run for growing herb. i can even eat tree bark cambium. it takes alot of time and planning to store the food and get enough, but this might be my best answer, to separate myself from the whole system. i still own property and drive a diesel truck though. i can't help but think of my sickness as a reflection of my environment and how i've reacted with it. i'd really like some good positive ideas about visualization and how to overcome problems like fukushima. this might sound crazy to some, but it's important to me.
it's all good goldstein. you know your shit.
i'll post this again since this is where i'm trying to go with this thread, but it gets buried under liquidsmock's rhetoric. if i wanted to hear more of it, i'd go back to my condescending doctors. you clearly haven't listened to people who have been cured. you also clearly haven't listened to people who went the other route and ended up dying or watching their kids die because of radiation or drugs. i suppose you think neoplastons are complete bullshit too because it's extracted from urine. i have an idea. you can take this sickness from me and go get treated at a cancer center while i eat fruits and veggies happily. i don't need or want help from people who argue that they have to be right. for all i know you are, but i don't think so. insulting my education only makes you look like an asshole who would argue with someone who is in pain and looking for an alternative solution. please stop the rhetoric, i don't want to respond to it anymore. make up your own thread debating the issue if you like. i'll at least read it and watch any movies posted.
The "yellow bile stuff" that came out of your stool is simply used to help your body digest fats. It's not some kind of poisonous toxin that you simply flush out of your liver.
All I'm asking is that you consider learning more about the basics of how your body actually works.
These medical frauds like the Gerson Therapy and detoxification enemas are designed to exploit people who aren't as familiar with medical science. Education of science is crucial
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you have to see where i'm coming from. i studied ecology in college. i spend most of my time working with the ecology and geology. these are my reference points for a larger system than the human body. i stay away from learning about the human body because i actually go into shock when i see or think in depth about the internal organization and functions. it doesn't mean shit to me, and it never will. the human body is an insignificant parasite with a brain capable of the most horrible thoughts with the physical ability to carry those thoughts into action. it seems our only redeeming quality is our ability to empathize and change.
Quote: LiquidSmock said: Pharmacology is the study of how drugs work. You should consider looking into it.
Otto Warburg discovered how cancer cells use anaerobic forms of metabolism despite aerobic conditions, that's something you learn about in college-level courses. But again, it's not the primary source or cause of cancer, as was proven in more modern studies. It's the result of the presence of cancerous cells. So Warburg's original theory that the switch to anaerobic metabolism being the source an cause of cancer has been widely disproven, but that's not to say it isn't a promising modality of treatment.
Again I'll ask, do you know what the SOURCE of cancer malignancies are?
Since you claim to be an expert in the science field, go ahead and tell me how Max Gerson's approach of coffee enemas, and liver injections of Laetrile and raw calves liver help stave off malignancies.
You should be able to point out exact physiologic mechanisms if you claim to be so knowledgeable about it.
I've never claimed to be an expert, You're the one Mr cut and paste. I'm a student on a steep leaning curve for over a year now. You should be required to prove your medicine is effective because you can bet the ranch I'm not a believer in your nonsense. Pharmacology Eh? Well considering the fact the overwhelming majority of medications and I mean overwhelming, are analogs of molecules found in nature one has to ask ones self "Self, if they've found that molecules found in nature are so therapeutic to the degree they study them and try to create unique molecules similar to those found in nature why not encourage us to use the ones found in nature?" And my conclusion was "self, because they can't patent the molecules found in nature so they tweak them by adding a molecule or subtracting a molecule in order to call it their own." I worked for a fortune 500 pharmaceutical company years ago and I know for a fact they were studying shitakes and mitakes and some other species. They were studying the various compounds found in them. Being into this hobby talk about things that made me go Hmmm... I'm a student of evolution and believe that everything evolved in a synergistic way and that giving the body the proper tools and the conducive environment it can heal itself given the opportunity to do so. Why does it have to be so frigging complicated with you people? Why does everything have to be some pill!?! Out of all of the man made medications out there I can count the ones I would ever use on one hand. The man made molecules are not only significantly less effective then the natural ones they become toxic to a very high degree just by manipulating the molecule.
I don't watch too much TV but when I do watch it with the family we sometimes watch channels that are widely viewed and it's stunning to see a commercial for a particular drug being pushed and the side effects are worse then the underlying condition the drug is touted as "CONTROLLING". "CONTROLLING" not "HEALING" or "CURING"! There is absolutely no healing occurring here, just a masking of symptoms and the underlying conditions eventually lead to the development of other illnesses. Right now you are interacting with a victim of allopathic medicine who recovered completely when I was shown the way so you can keep your therapies and all of your cut and pastes. When ones friend was diagnosed with Lupus and told to get her house in order and goes on to recover fully it not hard to diss your healing modalities.
According to "experts" in the field there may be as many as 40 genes involved in Lupus one "guru" says yet my friend had severe mold allergies that were being treated with anti-biotics for years. Yeah, the mayo clinic produced one study that said over 90% of the patients who participated in their study had mold allergies and were treated with antibiotics for years on end. What good is an antibiotic against a mold allergy? And do you realize the impact using an antibiotic inappropriately is? Besides an epidemic of antibiotic resistant pathogens we now have the patient on the antibiotics suffered because the antibiotics killed off the normal gut flora and pathogenic bacteria began to occupy the colon. Yeah, antibiotics are one of the meds I would use if I actually felt I needed it but once I'm done with the regimen I'd follow my doctors advice and go on a strict protocol to quickly replace my gut with the proper intestinal bacteria needed for proper food digestion using solid probiotics. I suppose you think that probiotics are a waste of money too? why am I mentioning this? She had a strange digestive condition that allopathic medicine said was quackery almost thirty years ago but is now called disbiosis I believe. And even that diaqgnosis falls short of the mark because there is still resistance in accepting something called leaky gut syndrome by the quacks. Tiny holes are poked through the intestinal walls allowing improperly digested foods to enter the blood stream along with pathogenic bacteria from disbiosis. This overwhelms the liver which one of your cut and pastes posts disqualifies completely. The liver is one of the most critical organs of the body and I believe it filters the blood at a rate of once every 3 or 4 minutes, but don't quote me on that one OK? You're the expert here, you tell us. Lets just say the liver is very active at trying it's best to filter the blood on top of many other functions it's required to do. My friend is doing absolutely kick ass! So now you can wrap your head around why I'm having problems with "YOUR DARK SCIENCE".
The problem we have here is roughly 1% of the doctors are actually practicing solid medicine where patients rarely rely on medications for long periods of time. Every single one of your sources are completely suspect to such a high degree it's way beyond the pale. Every single one of them accept/receive money from the government(FDA), the AMA, the PHARMACEUTICALS, private foundations whose interests involve private trusts who can be linked to the coin involved in the complete development of the AMA and pharmaceuticals and laymen believers in the protocols. And like in the video put out there by another poster, one I've never seen before, all of it can be linked to big oil. Isn't it strange how the money that pumped up the AMA early on in the game was big oil. Am I a conspiracy theorist? Not really, just an critical thinker who can appreciate the things that motivate some but when you come right down to it I have to say there is a direct conspiracy involved here. I've already pointed out that the healthcare industry is a 2.5 trillion dollar behemoth and the 1% of the "in the know" MD's are rocking the boat big time now. Yes I do have a problem with a number of alternative modalities but integrative medicine is completely cutting edge man and you or anyone else out there will never sway me.
Now I have to be completely honest with you and admit that I was relying on information regarding the Gerson diet based on NUMEROUS shows produced on radio and PRN, but after actually watching the video just now I'm absolutely convinced now that there is real merit in the Gerson protocols. Kudos for Japan for implementing these protocols on a wide spread basis. We will see what happens years from now as health statistics dramatically improve in Japan as our own pathetic model of health continues to decline, because it's painfully obvious something radical is happening in Japan. Why is it the incidence of all disease is on a steep incline here in the US when we're supposed to have the best health care industry in the world? It's your medicine we're talking about here Dr Smock... Why is it we have to rely on your medicine when your medicine clearly doesn't heal anyone in the big picture. Why should I completely ignore the fact that over a quarter of a million people die each year in hospitals due to fuck ups called iatrogenic cases. How many people have integrative MD's killed each year? ZERO! ZERO! And this figure is just errors that occur in hospital settings, who the hell really knows what's going on in examination rooms because we already know the rate of disease is on a steep incline and no one gets better from simple illnesses like heart and coronary artery disease and hypertension, type 2 diabetes, Lupus(yes, Lupus is simple, so I'm going to include it in the mix for effect), I mean I can go on and on here. Why do I have to use your modalities to heal myself? Why can't I make MY own decisions? The insurance companies already don't pay for anything unless it's from your completely bankrupt system. This is so ugly it's scary. You are trying to force us to rely on you to heal us!
I loved the way you altered your posts, whatever. And I love the way you originally twisted Warburgs words, if he actually said them, which I seriously doubt, but you do say hey maybe one day Warburg's discoveries may be a promising modality of treatment one day. Well if this were to actually occur every single thing they have done up to this point would have been pointless. Wouldn't you say? Isn't this ironic? After watching that video I'm convinced that Gerson was onto something and have a better understanding of exactly what Null has been saying for years. Based on your continued sophistic diatribe I understand where you're coming from. How can you watch that video and completely dismiss the work of Gersons being carried out in Japan? How can you dismiss all of the patients who were interviewed by the narrator? How can you dismiss a Nobel laureate who claims Gerson saved his life and called him the greatest mind in science? That video wasn't as biased as you make it out to be. I seriously doubt you even watched it and just immediately dismissed the thought like every other misguided believer. I mean there was so much information packed into that documentary it's stunning you can still come to this strong conclusion. There is something wrong with you. You're nowhere near the critical thinker you think you are. You are a pawn on the chess board, an indispensable piece ironically because it's you who talk nonsense to the rest of us in the hopes we are clueless to your game. Like I've already pointed out, slick sophistry.
What is your background so we can get a feel for where you're coming from? Because once I saw you post a link from quackwatch I knew where I thought your head was at. I can't wait for when Barret is required to explain how a man making less then $60,000 in two years has been able to unsuccessfully defend himself in court to the tune of one million dollars. Does he have some money tree in the back yard? In that video Barret admits to NEVER interviewing a SINGLE patient of the therapy! You call this science? Why is it I used to do a google search on something and Barrets quackwatch came up in the results every single time yet when I did a duck duck go nothing on Barret popped up? Now all of a sudden Barret doesn't turn up in the search any longer but Novella's group does. Novella claims his work is completely untainted, but how can we be sure some swiss bank account hasn't been set up on his behalf? I mean, researchers doing "independent research" have been caught by the IRS attempting to hide in upwards of one million dollars from kick backs they received from the drug company they were doing work for! This has happened MULTIPLE TIMES! Why is it a drug can fail a particular phase for an FDA submission over 100 times before enough significant data is available to be able to submit two stinking studies for review in order to move onto the next phase of testing? If a drug fails ONE study it should never be approved! And in the case where two results were clinically significant many of the test subjects who dropped out of these particular studies due to side effects were not counted as participants due to loopholes that allow a drug maker to claim they were non compliant. Hmmm... What is wrong with this picture? You say you have clinically backed science on your side yet a drug can be approved under these circumstances. An 8 to 12 week study is adequate for a drug that remains on the market for years according to the FDA?
And the drug company has so many loopholes not requiring it to compile data after the drug is released to market! It's all laid out in the current food, drug and cosmetic act. It takes 10's of 1000's of deaths sometimes for a drug to be pulled from the market. I'm not exaggerating here and the PDR reference I eluded to in a past post is pathetic because if you visit a forum on a particular illness you discover quickly how many of the members share side effects from meds not reported in the PDR. This is very interesting stuff, statistically speaking. And you can say, "Well it's difficult to say if it was actually that drug that did this because the patient was taking so many other drugs!" EXACTLY! But still, it's easy to deduce to some degree because the reality is they were all on that particular drug and not on similar variations of other poisonous crap. I mean isn't it fair to say one can make a correlation between this happening and that drug being used by every patient? Or do we need a double blind study? Ice pick in the forehead DUH! I can go on here but I'm tired of you already, reading each post you have put up after addressing me...
You asked me do I see merit in coffee enema's? yes, because they do force the liver to dump toxins and can be done multiple time3s over a short period if done under a close watch of blood chemistry. And as far as laetrile goes, there are still people crossing the border into Mexico coming back saying they're cured. Now maybe you can call it anecdotal but if many people are saying it one has to wonder what is motivating them to lie about it. I receive a number of pretty news letters and people are claiming they use ground up apricot pits on their own to heal themselves. and who gives a crap if someone uses calves liver in their protocols. I'll bet you five bucks your grandparents ate calves liver all of the time. I can tell you one thing, part of the healing modality I was placed on required me to use pure processed animal glandulars for a short period, so what is your point?
And I've already "hinted" what my thoughts are regarding disease in general which kind of supports Gersons claims that one protocol that restores optimal health is generally good for a multitude of disorders. But I'll provide you with another "hint". It involves cellular goo! How's that for a scientific term? Cellular goo, because I'm not quite ready to share anything else with you at the moment because I'm not quite sure what type of spook you are. I know you're in the pub arguing with Shroomism. Well Shroomism is a very hip in the know. He knows that your shit is shit!
Excuse my language, but I hold people like you in complete contempt because you are trying to force me, my family and all of my friends to rely on your pseudo science. That's right, fake medicine, and you can take that one to the bank Dr Smock.
What are you that you come in here and tell us we don't know what's good for us. That you know we don't know therefore we can't make our own choices and be trusted. We need you to tell us what is proper and what we see, hear and experience personally isn't what it seems. We need to believe someone who quotes a Steve Barret!
DUH! Oh, and by the way, I'm a complete imbecile so why don't you tell me what you all are saying causes cancer now this time... I mean what was it last time? Because we all now know it has nothing to do with anything I put out there. Yeah, Otto Warburg didn't provide critical information he completely criticized oncologists of completely ignoring in his last presentation to an audience of respected peers who knew exactly where he was coming from. Not one significantly prominent oncologist attended that last speech. This is exactly like Linus Paulings paper on on artery disease being pulled from being published in JAMA less then one month from when it was supposed to be published! Awesome you guys for presenting the truth, telling that a paper gets the green light but at the very last minute decisions were made to prevent it from mass circulation. I mean all of the data was there or it would have never gotten as far down line as it did. This is alright because Pauling will be vindicated, in the meantime he shares the distinction of being one of two men to win the Nobel prize twice on their own. Two, two time Nobel laureates who actually thought Gerson was very cool and lets not forget another Nobel laureate who shared the same sentiment after Gerson cured him in the video YOU OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T WATCH! How can three Nobel laureates be wrong regarding the same man? Ohh, I forgot we have brilliant biochemists like you who have all of the answers for all of us. You are looking out for all of our well being! Well thank you for nothing very much! You can take it somewhere else, OK? Find someone who is brain dead and comatose to talk to. You'll have a captive audience...
yeah when the doctor from fukushima spoke, my ears perked up, even if not directly related to the current situation. he seemed pretty convinced and is not forced to regurgitate monsanto's, i mean the fda's lies.
So you don't even know how the Gerson therapy works.
You don't know how cancer works.
And you don't know anything about how medications are designed or how they work.
Got it.
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Quote: ToiletDuk said: I'd sooner trust LS' observations than yours, seeing as how he's a medical student.
the truth comes out! that's cool, i find you guys very useful with broken bones, kidney stones, and stitching me up. i just prefer to go a different route with this life issue. there's plenty of information on each side. i'm not even following the gerson diet completely, but making my own version that fits me. there are foods on the gerson diet that will give me allergic reactions. i've only been eating apples, kiwis, and mangoes the past 2 days and already have at least 50% less pain. i'm out digging garden beds for more hops and passion flowers, which would have been very painful yesterday. i literally haven't eaten fresh fruit for over a year and the same repeated for the past 4 years or so, since i was divorced. i've been eating a half pound of organic cheese every day with either rice, beans, or nachos for my EVERY daily MEAL. i've sort of been suicidal i think. sorry if i think i can fix this with diet, but it's what stands out as the obvious solution in my case. if one of my kids had an illness, well i haven't hit that road yet. i honestly don't know how i would react, but i'd probably weigh every option more seriously than my own.
Well this explains it all. A medical student! I'm wondering who is going to pay for your research work. Who is going to underwrite it and what it is you're going to be told what to prove or disprove. I know what one of my doctors was told to prove but in reality disprove baased on how he described his research and when he told me his results I told him he was either a poor researcher or a lair. No kidding, my balls are that big after being misled, I said it in those exact words, you gain quite a bit of confidence when you're dealing with an incompetent. No, Dr Smock, I told you I've listened to others discuss the therapy in detail, I just didn't realize the significance of the results until I actually saw the documentary, which you didn't watch like a Mr quackwatch! Another Steve Barret in the making here. A Mr hell bent on discrediting something you know very little about. Is this the type of programming your receiving in school at this point? Talk about brain washing. It's hard to actually visualize how dramatic the results actually are until you actually get to see them, you know, it being radio and all of that. Smock, I understand how cancer works, the problem is you're being taught complete bullshit, you don't and because you're a student seeking approval and a good grade you'll continue to rely on lies. Whatever! Good for you future healer of men.
Well it's interesting you had nothing to say regarding my wife's friend and her recovering from Lupus which is something you'll be more then willing to tell one of your patients their is no hope for since gene research is way behind the curve on, even though significant work has been made. I mean we're talking a potential 40 genes here according to your guru. How do you isolate 40 genes in any significant way without it taking time? I mean the last time I read about it there were something on the order of 30,000 genes discovered/sequenced. And what do you do as others continue to be healed while waiting? Call it anecdotal and the healers quacks. Integrative medicine is where it's at Smock but you want the Benz or Beamer. You best be careful you don't turn out to be a Steve Barret or a rug head Novella. What a pompous fraud Novella is, and I've been wondering if Bolen is right and that is a toupee. He's being compensated somehow and it's going to be interesting to discover where his coin comes from because we now know Barret was being underwritten by someone and the deposition will reveal the truth. He was either completely underwritten or hid at least one million dollars for a length of time from somewhere. And how is it possible he saved anything when his actual career was a complete fail? Like I asked you before, who actually can fail at being a psychiatrist? I mean you need an IQ of 80 to be a psychiatrist. Now there is one screwed up branch of modern pseudo science. Holy cow the things they come up with. Anyway, I know for a fact that well known ghost writers contributed to his sight all of the time. And all of it was pulled down by Barret when he was confronted. Or maybe it was due to one of the number of court cases he lost. These people were named by names. It's only a matter of time before the truth comes out.
Tell me what your new theory regarding cancer is now Dr Smock. I'm all excited to be schooled by a student eager to pick up the torch. You and your little Pub buddy butt hump.
Your medicines are worthless placebos, I've already laid out the truth in the approval process of your medications. Nothing I've said was a lie but you present us garbage. I told you I was ignorant, Ok? So tell me what the new mechanism for cancer is now. What is the new flavor of modern science now Dr Smock? And I believe this Toiletduk is on medications after reading a number of older posts here and in the Pub. What is the illness your healing him of Dr Smock? I get this, go get one of your buddies from the Pub to play ball with me. Someone who relies on medications. Both post within two minutes of one another. coincidence? I think not!
Got It? Good! Great! AWESOME!
Quote: passifloracaerulea said: yeah when the doctor from fukushima spoke, my ears perked up, even if not directly related to the current situation. he seemed pretty convinced and is not forced to regurgitate monsanto's, i mean the fda's lies.
Hey pass, yeah, crazy Japanese huh? They need to have someone set them straight. We can't have the news of wide spread health rumors coming out of Japan, we'll need to declare a war on them too. You know when I saw that liver tumor reduce in size from one image to the next in such a short period of time I was like WOW! Now I'm not going to lie to you pass, I would really love to see you under the care of someone who actually has a clue. Like I've already said, I do find merit in alot of this but being under the watchful eye of someone in the know is pretty important for someone dealing with your issues. This is not something you take lightly, you need some real guidance here man. I have to pick up a mothers day gift for my wife! My daughter reminded me by saying "I bet you I picked up a better gift then you did!" Of course I said, "Ooh no you didn't!" Now I have to sneak off and make like I actually remembered! I'm bad with dates of holidays like this. Christmas and New Years are easy but mothers day falls off the radar with me! with all I have going on right now
I will PM you eventually, I couldn't not post to Mr Dr biochemistry.
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