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#16208289 - 05/10/12 03:41 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Best interview in a while - lays it all out.
Watch this, spread this, discuss this.
If we don't fight the bully, the bully will push and push and push until they own you.
They are training you to be groped in public, radiated by their cancer causing machines, not just at airports but spreading to other areas too -
if we accept this then they will come in and take your guns. You are losing your country, your morals, everything America was founded on as the globalists progress towards world domination.
Fight back!
or be dominated.
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 Re: The Real News [Re: nice1] 2
#16211162 - 05/10/12 07:44 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Do you intend to fight back, by watching youtube videos? 
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Re: The Real News [Re: Jwlst] 1
#16213230 - 05/11/12 03:13 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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lol
I intend on awakening people to the situation. If you start resisting the groping for a start then that a message that people will not tolerate being pushed further.
If you tolerate this then your home searchs and weapon confiscation are only a few steps away....
Thats the point my friend.
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Re: The Real News [Re: nice1]
#16213234 - 05/11/12 03:15 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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It really is playground tactics.
If i come up and push you - I'm seeing if you'll push me back.
If you don't maybe i'll kick you too, then take your wallet.
If you still do nothing fuck it I'll take your keys, have your car, fuck your wife and live in your house.
You have to understand that this is what is happening.
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Re: The Real News [Re: nice1]
#16214094 - 05/11/12 10:00 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Jwlst said:
Do you intend to fight back, by watching youtube videos?
it totally works
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nice1 said:
if we accept this then they will come in and take your guns.
dont you live in the UK?
how will you fight back?
what happened to your guns?
didnt the UK give them up willingly?
let them come for my guns because to find out who has guns in a nation that
has no gun registration will involve house to house searches, that will
take some time dontcha think? it will start in populous areas and people
will talk and the only way to stop them from talking is to cut off all
communication, when cell phones, TV, radio and the internet are all down at
the same time dont you think that it'll make people wonder what's going on?
that being said, alex jones and friends are tools
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I'm working on a eco community and hoping to fund and setup my own soon - to lead by example of sustainable enviro friendly living moving away from the system.
At the same time creating documentaries exposing corruption, frauds and lies coming out of the control grid and just awakening anyone I meet by being that "crazy" person whos willing to talk about these matters instead of copycatting some dumbass off TV because I want to fit in. I'm leading people round here already because they respect the fact I'm willing to take the flack and stand up and speak my truth.
If they try to take our eco community away, we have bows n arrows. We will lose - they have guns but a million people will spawn to fight in retaliation if such a thing happened. In the long run the spirit of freedom will prevail. 
I might not live in America but I support fighting the totalitarian global agenda on all fronts. Even if it is just by spreading a youtube video on a forum. If only 1 person gains from this then thats a +1 for us and it doesn't take much for me to post some info up.
And frankly, I don't have anything better to do than fight for what I believe is right  Helping guide humanity towards a sustainable future is my only noble reason to exist at the moment.
Edited by nice1 (05/11/12 12:02 PM)
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Re: The Real News [Re: nice1]
#16214478 - 05/11/12 12:31 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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nice1 said:
...instead of copycatting some dumbass off TV
And yet, your OP was a link to some dumbass off youtube...
I am not seeing the difference.
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Re: The Real News [Re: Enlil]
#16214870 - 05/11/12 02:21 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I meant copying a fictional character from dramas like "friends".
Infowars is not a fictional drama.
See the difference now? naaa thought not 
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Re: The Real News [Re: nice1]
#16214925 - 05/11/12 02:33 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Infowars is not a fictional drama.
LOL...that is EXACTLY what it is.
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Listerine said, "i want genocide for most of africa"
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Re: The Real News [Re: nice1]
#16216883 - 05/11/12 10:37 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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nice1 said:
If they try to take our eco community away, we have bows n arrows. We will lose - they have guns but a million people will spawn to fight in retaliation if such a thing happened. In the long run the spirit of freedom will prevail.
I was once asked by an Lt. Col. if I was willing to die for my country I told
him I wasnt willing to die for anyone or anything, so while you sit back and
shoot your bows and arrows at tanks, remember, you should have given more
consideration to surviving for your cause because there are no martyrs, the
news can just as easily report your shit as not report it and since the media
is controlled by the government, who's to know you're dead
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the shit our education funding is paying for and these liberals want more money
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Re: The Real News [Re: Enlil]
#16219160 - 05/12/12 12:24 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Enlil said:
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nice1 said:
Infowars is not a fictional drama.
LOL...that is EXACTLY what it is.
Exactly what are you? A troll
All you ever do is demonstrate your inability except the possibility of alternative to mainstream narratives of news/world views into your reality tunnel.
So why are you even here in this part of the forum except to troll? Try providing some content or input to progress the discussion.
Infowars provides documents, witnesses, video evidence to back up their story. You provide an opinion for the purpose of trolling. I know which I prefer to read. 
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Re: The Real News [Re: nice1]
#16219174 - 05/12/12 12:30 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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nice1 said:
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Enlil said:
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nice1 said:
Infowars is not a fictional drama.
LOL...that is EXACTLY what it is.
Exactly what are you? A troll
All you ever do is demonstrate your inability except the possibility of alternative to mainstream narratives of news/world views into your reality tunnel.
So why are you even here in this part of the forum except to troll? Try providing some content or input to progress the discussion.
Your idea of "providing content" is by linking a video of someone else talking? really? You think that is providing content?
Where are your theories? Where is your support for your theories? I don't see anything from you except linking some talking head video...and then you accuse me of following the mainstream narrative? How is that any different than you following Alex Jones' narrative?
If you have a theory...state it...back up your claim...otherwise, you're just spewing rhetoric and linking some talking head...
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Fuck the Amish
Ellis Dee said, "And those kids in CT deserved to die and I'm glad they're dead. I am glad that the survivors will have to "live with it" too. hahaha"
Listerine said, "i want genocide for most of africa"
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Re: The Real News [Re: Enlil] 1
#16219176 - 05/12/12 12:31 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I don't want to debate any of my ideas with you, I've tried in the pats and you appear to be a troll or ignorant.
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Re: The Real News [Re: nice1]
#16219182 - 05/12/12 12:33 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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So there you have it...you just want to believe what you've convinced yourself is the truth...that's fine, but don't pretend that it's anything but faith.
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Fuck the Amish
Ellis Dee said, "And those kids in CT deserved to die and I'm glad they're dead. I am glad that the survivors will have to "live with it" too. hahaha"
Listerine said, "i want genocide for most of africa"
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Re: The Real News [Re: Enlil]
#16219313 - 05/12/12 01:18 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I don't believe anything.
I'm studying scenarios.
For all I know I'm in the matrix. I've never claimed to have any absolute version of truth.
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Re: The Real News [Re: Enlil]
#16219469 - 05/12/12 02:14 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Enlil said:
So there you have it...you just want to believe what you've convinced yourself is the truth...that's fine, but don't pretend that it's anything but faith.
Watch your step, cuz you are walking in same shoes.
Alex Jones may be full of BS, and quite frankly I cant stand the guy, but he does have some valid points though.
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Re: The Real News [Re: ivander]
#16221001 - 05/12/12 08:21 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Watch your step, cuz you are walking in same shoes.
I base my opinions of the world on the evidence before me. Sometimes, more evidence comes that causes me to change my opinion...That is nothing like what we are talking about here..
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Ellis Dee said, "And those kids in CT deserved to die and I'm glad they're dead. I am glad that the survivors will have to "live with it" too. hahaha"
Listerine said, "i want genocide for most of africa"
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Re: The Real News [Re: ivander]
#16221184 - 05/12/12 09:01 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Does your Eco village have doctors? Surgeons? Labor and delivery services? What happens when people get old and sick? Any kind of firefighting capability? Who protects you from black people, uh I mean the boogie man , ya that. Since your outside the system you must be relying on farming. Wat happens during a drought, or any kind of crop failure ? Where and how does the whole village take a shit? Which leads to how do you get your water and how do you make sure the is no shit in it? Did the govt give u free land , or do you pay taxes on it and then how do you come up with money in the first place, I really am curious. From Wat I understand about Eco villages they can create as many problems As they solve.
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Re: The Real News [Re: Enlil]
#16223080 - 05/13/12 06:57 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Enlil said:
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ivander said:
Watch your step, cuz you are walking in same shoes.
I base my opinions of the world on the evidence before me. Sometimes, more evidence comes that causes me to change my opinion...That is nothing like what we are talking about here..
But you presented no evidence for these things you say, and accuse the other guy, for not presenting evidence for these things he says.. That seems same to me.
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#16223082 - 05/13/12 07:00 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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psilynut said:
Does your Eco village have doctors? Surgeons? Labor and delivery services? What happens when people get old and sick? Any kind of firefighting capability? Who protects you from black people, uh I mean the boogie man , ya that. Since your outside the system you must be relying on farming. Wat happens during a drought, or any kind of crop failure ? Where and how does the whole village take a shit? Which leads to how do you get your water and how do you make sure the is no shit in it? Did the govt give u free land , or do you pay taxes on it and then how do you come up with money in the first place, I really am curious. From Wat I understand about Eco villages they can create as many problems As they solve.
I know its not a question for me. But dude, how do you imagine people lived 1000 yrs ago, in a village. I bet they overcame all these problems you talk about. 
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Re: The Real News [Re: Jwlst]
#16223234 - 05/13/12 09:22 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Jwlst said:
Do you intend to fight back, by watching youtube videos?
Of course.
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Re: The Real News [Re: ivander]
#16223238 - 05/13/12 09:23 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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ivander said:
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Does your Eco village have doctors? Surgeons? Labor and delivery services? What happens when people get old and sick? Any kind of firefighting capability? Who protects you from black people, uh I mean the boogie man , ya that. Since your outside the system you must be relying on farming. Wat happens during a drought, or any kind of crop failure ? Where and how does the whole village take a shit? Which leads to how do you get your water and how do you make sure the is no shit in it? Did the govt give u free land , or do you pay taxes on it and then how do you come up with money in the first place, I really am curious. From Wat I understand about Eco villages they can create as many problems As they solve.
I know its not a question for me. But dude, how do you imagine people lived 1000 yrs ago, in a village. I bet they overcame all these problems you talk about.
They solved the problems by dying at 35 in often painful ways.
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Re: The Real News [Re: nice1]
#16223240 - 05/13/12 09:25 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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nice1 said:
I don't want to debate any of my ideas with you, I've tried in the pats and you appear to be a troll or ignorant.
hardly
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Re: The Real News [Re: ivander]
#16223292 - 05/13/12 10:02 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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But you presented no evidence for these things you say, and accuse the other guy, for not presenting evidence for these things he says.. That seems same to me.
I'm not the one who started the thread and made a claim...I have no burden of proof here, kiddo...
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Ellis Dee said, "And those kids in CT deserved to die and I'm glad they're dead. I am glad that the survivors will have to "live with it" too. hahaha"
Listerine said, "i want genocide for most of africa"
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Re: The Real News [Re: Enlil]
#16223325 - 05/13/12 10:19 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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No you have not.. while you did make claims, kiddo.. if you wants some kind of evidences for your self, you came to the wrong place with demands.
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They solved the problems by dying at 35 in often painful ways.
Irrelevant. Nowadays, people live longer.
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Re: The Real News [Re: ivander]
#16223368 - 05/13/12 10:40 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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They solved the problems by dying at 35 in often painful ways.
Irrelevant. Nowadays, people live longer.
Yes...because of medicines made by big pharma...and crops made better by genetic modification...and transportation made safer and quicker with fossil fuels...
Yes...people live longer now...because of all of the horrible things that we're doing to destroy ourselves...
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Fuck the Amish
Ellis Dee said, "And those kids in CT deserved to die and I'm glad they're dead. I am glad that the survivors will have to "live with it" too. hahaha"
Listerine said, "i want genocide for most of africa"
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Re: The Real News [Re: Enlil]
#16223393 - 05/13/12 10:47 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I agree.. ??
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Re: The Real News [Re: nice1]
#16223756 - 05/13/12 12:56 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I don't believe anything.
you frequently make this claim yet you've shown otherwise such as referring
to this alex jones video as 'real news', obviously you believe it
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rule, there are 44 words in the english language that follow the rule. this is
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When its backed up with documents its as close an approximation of truth as we can get. At least Aj does present the documents - mainstream media presents itself as truth without question and often never provides evidence or sources - they all copy stories off reuters or A.P.
So thats my opinion on it. I don't know anything 100% but if someone can provide me some secondary evidence then its reasonable to assume that as more likely correct than a source providing nothing other than an opinion.
I do have to do my own research too though, I've found plenty of stories that have been misrepresented and blown out of proportion on Infowars. I do not take it as absolute truth nor would I take anything from anyone as 100% truth - even myself.
Thats fundamental to the nature of reality for me, which is why I said "for all I know I'm in the matrix". I could be a in some simulation meaning nothing here is reality at all. I'm completely restricted to my level of existence too, i.e the sensors I have, brain capacity etc If someone else hadn't figured out how to detect radio waves I would have no reason to even believe they could even exist. That tells me theres a huge spectrum of reality I have no idea at all about.
I'm just studying models for reality and juggeling their appoximate likelyhood as closer to actual reality (should that even be possible or exist) - it seems to be what I am as a human being, its our basic nature to try and figure out whats going on and is therefore a fun way for me to waste my time.
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basically accepting you know nothing is fundamental.
After that you're just playing with models but I like the fact infowars goes into subjects mainstream doesn't and they usually provide evidence that you can go research yourself.
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Re: The Real News [Re: nice1]
#16238797 - 05/16/12 09:08 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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The problem is that most people don't have the critical thinking skills necessary to filter out the speculation and nonsense from the information they get...
That's why sites like infowars exist...because people like you lack the ability to separate the irrelevant or inconclusive from the meaningful evidence...The site only has to throw a bunch of non sequiturs and half-truths out there, and you try to find a pattern that makes sense within it...poof! There's a conspiracy...or a secret...or some governmental cover up...when really, you're innundated with so much information that you're unable to synthesize it into a cohesive picture...
It's understandable...we're in a society where information is bombarding us all the time...it's not unexpected that most people would be like you and unable to process all of it...
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Ellis Dee said, "And those kids in CT deserved to die and I'm glad they're dead. I am glad that the survivors will have to "live with it" too. hahaha"
Listerine said, "i want genocide for most of africa"
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Re: The Real News [Re: Enlil]
#16238830 - 05/16/12 09:22 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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people like you lack the ability to separate the irrelevant or inconclusive from the meaningful evidence...The site only has to throw a bunch of non sequiturs and half-truths out there, and you try to find a pattern that makes sense within it...poof!
Yes lol clearly
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I've found plenty of stories that have been misrepresented and blown out of proportion on Infowars. I do not take it as absolute truth nor would I take anything from anyone as 100% truth - even myself.
Clearly I'm completely unaware and create fantasy conspiracies that I believe in derp  Whatever makes you feel bigger n better mate 
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Re: The Real News [Re: nice1]
#16238846 - 05/16/12 09:31 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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No...You're a rational person who just happens to believe in aliens from outer space visiting us...and controlled demolition theories about 9/11...
But you're rational...you don't believe any crazy stuff..
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Fuck the Amish
Ellis Dee said, "And those kids in CT deserved to die and I'm glad they're dead. I am glad that the survivors will have to "live with it" too. hahaha"
Listerine said, "i want genocide for most of africa"
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Re: The Real News [Re: Enlil]
#16238872 - 05/16/12 09:40 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Ok I just explained the fallacies of belief yet you continue to assert that I "believe" things you deem irrational such as life on other planets. OK lol  Thanks for that great perspective that I was lacking. 
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Re: The Real News [Re: Enlil]
#16238879 - 05/16/12 09:42 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I will only watch mainstream news from now on as opposed to researching alternative media and their sources. Thank you oh great one. I'm glad you have taught me why am so inferior.
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I don't want to debate any of my ideas with you, I've tried in the pats and you appear to be a troll or ignorant.
hardly
Yes hardly - What a display hes put on for us here.
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Re: The Real News [Re: nice1]
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When did I recommend mainstream news?
Oh yeah...that's right...I didn't...that's your straw man.
When did I mention life on other planets? Oh yeah...straw man #2
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Re: The Real News [Re: Enlil]
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Re: The Real News [Re: ivander]
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No you have not.. while you did make claims, kiddo.. if you wants some kind of evidences for your self, you came to the wrong place with demands.
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They solved the problems by dying at 35 in often painful ways.
Irrelevant. Nowadays, people live longer.
Even back in the day you had people living to 80. Turns out that just eating mutton or cabbage is not the best idea for long term health. Neither is fighting in a war.
It's always funny watching just how angry people get just by posting up a video with Alex Jones' voice on it. Must be like holy water 
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Re: The Real News [Re: nice1]
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When its backed up with documents its as close an approximation of truth as we can get. At least Aj does present the documents - mainstream media presents itself as truth without question and often never provides evidence or sources - they all copy stories off reuters or A.P.
documents dont equate to facts
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I do have to do my own research too though, I've found plenty of stories that have been misrepresented and blown out of proportion on Infowars. I do not take it as absolute truth nor would I take anything from anyone as 100% truth - even myself.
maybe you should do a little research on the FEMA Caskets and FEMA Camps
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Re: The Real News [Re: ivander]
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So there you have it...you just want to believe what you've convinced yourself is the truth...that's fine, but don't pretend that it's anything but faith.
Watch your step, cuz you are walking in same shoes.
So what?
I never understood these arguments where someone redirects the matter to the critic and says "you too". How does that matter? Where, such as in this case, the validity of the critic's alternate world view is irrelevant and not at issue, and the only issue being discussed is the reasonableness of the criticism (or the original claim), it seems completely misplaced to pull a "you too".
First, its simply baseless, there is no information on which to conclude the critic is indeed committing the same error as the only argument is over their criticism, not their alternate view. Second, it is no defense to the criticism. That someone else, who hasn't claimed knowledge, is shown to suffer some defect, does not in the least affect the validity of the argument being criticized.
I see this with creationists all the time. When discussing the validity of scriptures or whether ID should be taught in schools they constantly say "science sucks" or something like that. How does that present any evidence that ID should be taught or that the scriptures are valid? Just because some of the possible alternatives may suck doesn't mean the given alternative is reasonable.
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I never understood these arguments where someone redirects the matter to the critic and says "you too". How does that matter?
It's just arrogant and bordering trolling. Its silly to accuse someone of something while you have same garbage in the backyard.
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Where, such as in this case, the validity of the critic's alternate world view is irrelevant and not at issue, and the only issue being discussed is the reasonableness of the criticism (or the original claim), it seems completely misplaced to pull a "you too".
Boy oh boy, arent you doing exact same thing? Who is to say what is irrelevant and what is relevant? Dont get me wrong, I do understand you, but this forum, is darkest place on shroomery, IMO, so is it important to pull 'you too' argument or not, who is to judge?
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First, its simply baseless, there is no information on which to conclude the critic is indeed committing the same error as the only argument is over their criticism, not their alternate view. Second, it is no defense to the criticism. That someone else, who hasn't claimed knowledge, is shown to suffer some defect, does not in the least affect the validity of the argument being criticized.
You wouldn't say that(IMO) if you, if you understood OP and read his explanations on these matters. And critics positions is baseless enough if you read carefully.
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I see this with creationists all the time. When discussing the validity of scriptures or whether ID should be taught in schools they constantly say "science sucks" or something like that. How does that present any evidence that ID should be taught or that the scriptures are valid? Just because some of the possible alternatives may suck doesn't mean the given alternative is reasonable.
I dont know what to tell you here, cuz I cant find any meaning, or how it relates.
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When its backed up with documents its as close an approximation of truth as we can get. At least Aj does present the documents - mainstream media presents itself as truth without question and often never provides evidence or sources - they all copy stories off reuters or A.P.
documents dont equate to facts
In this case they often do as we in "conspiracy" are often defending stuff thats admitted in gov documents. Some people refuse to believe anything conspiracy themed even if it is a admitted fact.
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maybe you should do a little research on the FEMA Caskets and FEMA Camps
Why? Whats your opinion?
FEMA camps are real and pretty interesting considering they are supposed to be "safety centers" yet the barb wire fencing at the top is pointing inwards. Sounds like Orwellian double speak to me but physical properties of the camp don't tell the same lie.
Of course, I'm basing that on what I've seen online photo/video - I've never actually been to one myself so I'm only using my best model here to formulate possible conclusions.
Despite stereotyping I'm also a science lover. If ideas are shown incorrect and/or more probable explainations exist - I will alter and update them. I'm not here to propose an idea and defend it like an ego. I'm here to discuss ideas - if someone progresses that or changes it completely - I take their knowledge and intergrate it. Always have, always will.
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Re: The Real News [Re: nice1]
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oh, please tell us what this means when there's already a camera in every
shop and every street corner and every building and alley way, will they
also house machine gun turrets or is this yet another thing you believe and
then deny having any beliefs in because you say you have no beliefs, maybe
by that you're trying to imply that you 'know the truth'
sorespore, the article is full of flaws, it was published a couple months ago
by infowars or some other conspiracy website and has been making it's rounds
every since, had wired bothered to check facts they they'd discover that the
totality of the building on fort gordon are around the 300,000 square foot
mark and there's nothing on base that suggest it's an NSA listening post
I'm done even talking to you - the amount of times I've tried to explain this over and over... I'm done. No idea why I waste my time communicating with someone that purposely refuses to read or understand what I'm saying.
I hope for your sake you are just a troll because the alternative is even worse. Please don't bother talking to me on here again.
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Re: The Real News [Re: nice1]
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And in case anyone is wondering,
Pris refuses to accept the human condition - that is that its impossible to prove anything absolutely.
Secondly, he attacks the messenger (infowars, me etc) instead of the data.
Constantly the same shit over and over - I refuse to talk to someone completely unwilling to be reasonable.
This is my whole problem with debate here nowadays - people are just out to defend their egos.
Knowing to attack the data and not the messenger is a basic concept (so is understanding the nature of belief and the human condition) - I find it hard to understand how anyone can see that as a reasonable response especially from a moderator 
You are always enforcing rules on content and trolling yet I've litterally sat here and told you 100x over not to attack mediums and explaining the errors of absolute belief.
If you are not trolling me then what are you?
I don't understand how anyone can keep going in circles like that. I can only assume you are incapable of compehension or trolling me Pris - so which is it?
Do you understand the difference between DATA and MEDIUM?
Your either a troll whos a mod or you need to take some tutoring on basic logic. It makes no difference who published it or if they are conspiracy related. Any news source will have published errors and false stories before. Any and every news source. So baring that in mind - WTF is your point? lol
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Re: The Real News [Re: ivander]
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Just throwing this in the mix, but for all you young ones, you need to listen to Mr. William Milton Cooper.
Hour of the time is now available for your listening enjoyment:
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Re: The Real News [Re: nice1]
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This is where you have a fundamental misunderstanding of the differences between evidence and argument...
Evidence is something that makes a fact at issue more or less likely to be true.
Argument is a technique whereby one logically deduces a fact at issue by applying logic to other facts.
The difference is crucial...and conspiracy theorists misunderstand it...
We ask for evidence, they post videos that contain argument...
Your "attack the messenger" issue is really just you claiming that someone is using an ad hominem attack. Such attacks are, in fact, improper when used against argument...because argument, if logical, does not depend on the credibility of the one arguing.
An example of this is:
A: If you've got three eggs, and I take two, you'll only have one left
B: How would you know, you're blind!
B is clearly not saying anything that refutes the logic that A is using...this is an ad hominem attack.
However, if we change the scenario a bit....
A: You have three eggs in your hand
B: How would you know, you're blind!
Now A is not making an argument...A is stating a fact, and is thus a source of evidence. B is attacking A's credibility. This is a valid attack because A's ability to see directly affects the reliability of the evidence A is providing...
Okay...lesson over...
When people attack infowars, they're attacking the credibility of the source...not the logic of the argument...That is a valid attack.
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Re: The Real News [Re: Enlil]
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When people attack infowars, they're attacking the credibility of the source...not the logic of the argument...That is a valid attack.
Untrue - all mediums of information are equally capable of putting out false information.
You are either attacking the data or attacking the medium of information. Its that simple.
Attacking the medium is useless unless you are suggesting to know that some mediums are only presenting truth and some not? If thats the case then please tell me which mediums are only presenting truth? 
See my point? Attacking the medium instead of the data is useless.
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Re: The Real News [Re: nice1]
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My comment was not an attack by any means. It was an opportunity to learn. Take it.
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Me?
Ive already watched mr cooper many times but thanks.
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Re: The Real News [Re: nice1]
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When its backed up with documents its as close an approximation of truth as we can get. At least Aj does present the documents - mainstream media presents itself as truth without question and often never provides evidence or sources - they all copy stories off reuters or A.P.
documents dont equate to facts
In this case they often do as we in "conspiracy" are often defending stuff thats admitted in gov documents. Some people refuse to believe anything conspiracy themed even if it is a admitted fact.
then where are these documents?
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maybe you should do a little research on the FEMA Caskets and FEMA Camps
Why? Whats your opinion?
FEMA camps are real and pretty interesting considering they are supposed to be "safety centers" yet the barb wire fencing at the top is pointing inwards. Sounds like Orwellian double speak to me but physical properties of the camp don't tell the same lie.
so where are these FEMA camps? give us some satellite coordinates so we can
see them with our own eyes, have you seen them yourself? if not, how do you
know they're real, sure as hell sounds to me like you BELIEVE something
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Of course, I'm basing that on what I've seen online photo/video - I've never actually been to one myself so I'm only using my best model here to formulate possible conclusions.
video meant to lead you to a conclusion, why not post the videos so they
can be refuted or are you too afraid they will be easily refuted and your
BELIEFS will be shattered
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Re: The Real News [Re: nice1]
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I'm done even talking to you - the amount of times I've tried to explain this over and over... I'm done. No idea why I waste my time communicating with someone that purposely refuses to read or understand what I'm saying.
I hope for your sake you are just a troll because the alternative is even worse. Please don't bother talking to me on here again.
that's the problem, you do nothing but talk and when you're asked to provide
evidence such as the videos on the FEMA camps you typically give this very
sort of statement because you know the shit will fall apart under scrutiny,
it's a pretty delicate ego you have that cant handle a little shock that
would show you your illuminati/aliens/global elite belief systems are a fraud
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Bah, no one has ever shown me anything is a fraud tho. I'm open to changing opinions.
TBH all the stuff Ive seen on FEMA was yonks ago so how am i supposed to bring you the exact video and satellite coordinates the second you asked for it?
So your opinion is there are no camps at all? like I said all I've seen is videos. If you search youtube theres thousands.
I have ideas that I can change, not a belief - you have a belief that this stuff isn't real and you always do anything to support that idea.
For example you stated in the pub that if multiple witnesses and multiple independent radars report/detect a UFO that you believe it must be a radar malfunction in every independent radar station and you failed to address the corroborating witnesses so dunno how your rationalized that away... but the point remains - your so against changing your beliefs that its kinda absurd.
If you present a reasonable argument I'll change mine yeah but just saying everything must be malfunctioning is ridiculous.
Besides ive seen a UFO myselfm had a close encounter, so nothing you can say is going to alter my own experience. I trust my experience more than I trust your opinions.
As much as you claim I've got a belief well so do you - I'm open to changing mine though.
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illuminati/aliens/global elite belief systems are a fraud
Thats your belief right there.
You've taken a whole load of concepts and stuff them in a mental box labeled bullshit - now you spend you days trying to keep that big box labeled by making crazy claims about malfunctioning radars and attacking mediums.
You always ask me for proof, so prove that statement there and I'll change my opinion. I don't require absolute proof, just some sound logic/data but you never have any. You logic makes me laugh because its not rational.
If I have 5 radars and a load of witnesses report a ufo in my mind its more logical to assume there probably was a ufo there than to make up reasons like "all the radars malfunctioned at the same time with the same error". 
To be precise, ive never researched illuminati you will find nothing from me on that.
Aliens are highly likely in this universe.
Global elite - highly likely again. There must be an elite because people own companies, whoever owns companies has an amount of power and control.
So whats your problem with my opinions on those?
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Bah, no one has ever shown me anything is a fraud tho. I'm open to changing opinions.
TBH all the stuff Ive seen on FEMA was yonks ago so how am i supposed to bring you the exact video and satellite coordinates the second you asked for it?
So your opinion is there are no camps at all? like I said all I've seen is videos. If you search youtube theres thousands.
how am I supposed to see the videos you saw that show the fema camps
existence if there's thousands, you saw the videos, you'd know them better
than I would and yet you refuse to show them and instead show some 2 hour
music video called the rise of FEMA and dont tell us what time marks we
need to look for
I've been to three of the so called REX84 sites, 2 I showed ID, walked on
base, drove around the base and had fun with friends, asked loads of
questions and they got a great laugh, one of the laugher guys was a Brig
General, same guy that called my house when I was 17 and asked me to hurry
up with my enlistment, same guy that offered to make me a seat in any MOS I
chose. the 3rd site i didnt have clearance to enter but I scoped the place
out from the fence line
you dont even live in the US and you're trying to convince me that this
shit is real, once more, I'm laughing
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Besides ive seen a UFO myselfm had a close encounter, so nothing you can say is going to alter my own experience. I trust my experience more than I trust your opinions.
As much as you claim I've got a belief well so do you - I'm open to changing mine though.
dont you believe you saw a UFO?
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Re: The Real News [Re: nice1]
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illuminati/aliens/global elite belief systems are a fraud
Thats your belief right there.
I'm not the one claiming not to have beliefs, you are.
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You've taken a whole load of concepts and stuff them in a mental box labeled bullshit - now you spend you days trying to keep that big box labeled by making crazy claims about malfunctioning radars and attacking mediums.
no, I've taken a lot of things, did actual legwork, went to sites and saw
for myself, asked people questions, I spent 8 years in the army, I worked
with people in several areas of government while on assignments, I intended
to muster out and hit the CIA/NSA as my occupation prior to retirement, I
dont watch a couple of youtube videos and have it all figured out because
some jackasses made a compelling argument, I go there and I look for
myself, I do the actual digging.
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You always ask me for proof, so prove that statement there and I'll change my opinion. I don't require absolute proof, just some sound logic/data but you never have any. You logic makes me laugh because its not rational.
that's like asking someone to prove the devil does/doesnt exist, I require
proof because I dont like to be deceived, I dont believe in religion and
conspiracy theories are the religion for the disgruntled paranoids that
want to believe that there's some unseen hand guiding shit
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Aliens are highly likely in this universe.
Global elite - highly likely again. There must be an elite because people own companies, whoever owns companies has an amount of power and control.
So whats your problem with my opinions on those?
alien life, probably does exist, it would be foolish to believe that out of
hundreds of billions of planets that have the potential to support life
that we're the only ones... to believe they're flying over here and
watching us, that's much less plausible
global elite, to assume the companies run the world is ludicrous, maybe you
should hit africa, take the walking tour, tell me how much of that is run
by the huge corporations. yes we have politicians that suck corporate cock
but that doesnt mean they run the country, if they did they wouldnt have to
deal with regulations and would be making far more than 6% profit margins
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I don't have beliefs I have theories of likelyness - for all I know I'm dreaming. When I dream it is accepted as my reality without question.
How many times do I have to explain that?
When I saw the UFO it was up close, had 2 other witnesses and it changed the environment physically therefore the weight of evidence was that it is as real as anything else in this reality.
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to believe they're flying over here and
watching us, that's much less plausible
Not if you take into consideration the age of the universe, the age of the earth - statistically if life exists on other planets there will be life millions or billions of years older than human life. Using earth and humans as the model we can assume they would have technology to visit Earth when millions or billions of years more growth than us.
But thats besides the point - we have already established that advanced craft are here flying around, witnesses who have close encounters with the pilots have claimed they are ET. So I'm basing my theory on personal expedience (having seen one myself) and my understanding of life in the universe and the age of our planet.
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global elite, to assume the companies run the world is ludicrous,
 The GDP of many companies is bigger than some entire countries.
http://articles.businessinsider.com/2012-03-30/wall_street/31258625_1_fiji-solomon-islands-cape-verde
In real world hierarchy there are only 2 things that give power and control, 1 is violence/force (military might), the second is money/assets. Politics is controlled by money and just a public relations front for military and money. Media/politics is just propaganda or psy ops - simply its just swaying public opinion.
Military
Money
Media
Its a new world out there now - countries and borders have become diminished as global corporatism has taken over. These companies are bigger than countries. Sorry but if you don't see what has happened then your oblivious to the way the world is operating today. Companies are running the show, they finance armies and political agendas.
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So thats why your claims of "fraud" do not change my opinion Pris - you have not taken into consideration the factors that I have - you continue to ignore them in order to support your paradigm.
Debunk the attributes I have considered for my model/theory and I will alter it. Its shame you can't do the same for yours.
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When I saw the UFO it was up close, had 2 other witnesses and it changed the environment physically therefore the weight of evidence was that it is as real as anything else in this reality.
I have no doubt that you saw a flying object that you could not identify...That doesn't make it extra terrestrial...
I also have no doubt that you've seen lots of things that you can't scientifically explain...that also doesn't make it extra terrestrial...
When you combine limited knowledge of science and a propensity to believe in conspiracies, it's normal to believe the way you believe.
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Ellis Dee said, "And those kids in CT deserved to die and I'm glad they're dead. I am glad that the survivors will have to "live with it" too. hahaha"
Listerine said, "i want genocide for most of africa"
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Re: The Real News [Re: Enlil]
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Where did I say it was extra terrestrial?
Looks like your imagining things again mate. Happens when your going around stereotyping people to fit into your preconceived notions of conspirators
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Re: The Real News [Re: nice1]
#16253114 - 05/19/12 07:46 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Where did I say it was extra terrestrial?
Looks like your imagining things again mate. Happens when your going around stereotyping people to fit into your preconceived notions of conspirators
Where did I say that you said that? Looks like you're imagining things again, mate.
That's what happens when you're going around stereotyping people to fit into your preconceived notions of sheeple
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Ellis Dee said, "And those kids in CT deserved to die and I'm glad they're dead. I am glad that the survivors will have to "live with it" too. hahaha"
Listerine said, "i want genocide for most of africa"
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Re: The Real News [Re: Enlil]
#16253152 - 05/19/12 08:08 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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You insinuated it
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That doesn't make it extra terrestrial...
or were you just making an off the wall statement that happened to be there with no relevance to the discussion at hand?
Obvious troll is obvious.
Once again, thanks for your insightful progression of the debate. 
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Re: The Real News [Re: nice1]
#16253163 - 05/19/12 08:14 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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If I insinuated it, it was in response to YOU insinuating the same thing.
You're playing the vague game here...state what you mean or expect people to read between the lines.
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Ellis Dee said, "And those kids in CT deserved to die and I'm glad they're dead. I am glad that the survivors will have to "live with it" too. hahaha"
Listerine said, "i want genocide for most of africa"
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Re: The Real News [Re: nice1]
#16253185 - 05/19/12 08:26 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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When people attack infowars, they're attacking the credibility of the source...not the logic of the argument...That is a valid attack.
Untrue - all mediums of information are equally capable of putting out false information.
You are either attacking the data or attacking the medium of information. Its that simple.
Attacking the medium is useless unless you are suggesting to know that some mediums are only presenting truth and some not? If thats the case then please tell me which mediums are only presenting truth?
See my point? Attacking the medium instead of the data is useless.
Arn't you going to address the actual debate Enlil?
oh right - you mean you ignore the actual debate when you are shown to be incorrect cuz that would mean having to change your faulty logic. Oh right. I see how it is
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Re: The Real News [Re: Enlil]
#16253188 - 05/19/12 08:28 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Im playing the precise game - Ive explained all my viewpoints. You and pris are playing ignorance and beat around the bush - anything to maintain your paradigm.
I state again - show me my error in logic and I will alter it.
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Re: The Real News [Re: nice1]
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I have given up on trying to have anything resembling a discussion with you. You don't understand how to put forth a valid argument based on verifiable evidence...you just talk in circles until you've proven to yourself that you're right because you're right...
Lets try starting slowly...In clear language, state your thesis...at least one of them...If you can do that, I'll be shocked.
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Listerine said, "i want genocide for most of africa"
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Re: The Real News [Re: nice1]
#16254057 - 05/19/12 02:53 PM (1 year, 30 days ago) |
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to believe they're flying over here and
watching us, that's much less plausible
Not if you take into consideration the age of the universe, the age of the earth - statistically if life exists on other planets there will be life millions or billions of years older than human life.
that's an assumption based on your beliefs
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Using earth and humans as the model we can assume they would have technology to visit Earth when millions or billions of years more growth than us.
again you assume but now you admit it, we dont know that there is other life, we can only assume based on what we believe, now assuming that there is other life we cannot possibly know what state of development they're in unless they contact us, tell us "hey guys, we're here, we're millions of years more advanced and we're offering to help/eat your species"
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But thats besides the point - we have already established that advanced craft are here flying around, witnesses who have close encounters with the pilots have claimed they are ET. So I'm basing my theory on personal expedience (having seen one myself) and my understanding of life in the universe and the age of our planet.
people have claimed bigfoot and yeti exist and the loch ness monster want's tree fiddy, as for advanced craft, what's it's origin, earth or another star system?
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global elite, to assume the companies run the world is ludicrous,
The GDP of many companies is bigger than some entire countries.
why yes, Tuvalu with it's 9,000 people should have a GDP far exceeding
every company's net earnings regardless of whether they have the capability
to produce anything in those tiny islands... maybe people are too busy
dodging bullets fired by their neighbors and leaders in Uganda to worry
about producing TVs for the american market, maybe nations like Zimbabwe
would have a higher GDP if they hadnt ousted the people that ran the
factories and farms that produced what gave them a GDP that competed with a
mom and pop hardware store
what exactly is your point, that the global elite wanted the white people
out of zimbabwe so they could have some lulz when they visited and spent
$16billion on a cup of coffee
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Re: The Real News [Re: nice1]
#16254084 - 05/19/12 03:01 PM (1 year, 30 days ago) |
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Im playing the precise game - Ive explained all my viewpoints. You and pris are playing ignorance and beat around the bush - anything to maintain your paradigm.
I state again - show me my error in logic and I will alter it.
you play a game of ambiguity, you dont explain your viewpoints, you leave
things open to interpretation and then claim you didnt say it, you claim you
have no beliefs but you profess all kinds of beliefs, you refuse to be nailed
down on any of your ideas or beliefs so no one can 'prove you wrong' and you
can try and exalt some level of superiority
you say we beat around the bush then tell me the origin of the UFO you saw,
was it extraterrestrial or was it from earth? after all, your game is precise, that question requires a precise answer, it give you 3 choices
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Re: The Real News [Re: nice1]
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Where did I say it was extra terrestrial?
a) he didn't say you did,
b) in fact you have said so many, many times here,
c) nobody doubts you once saw something in the air you couldn't identify. Happens ever day to me. I don't know wtf I see up in the sky at 30,000 feet.
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I don't have beliefs I have theories of likelyness - for all I know I'm dreaming. When I dream it is accepted as my reality without question.
How many times do I have to explain that?
Probably about as many times as you contradict yourself by declaring various conclusions without qualification or reservation. Such a universal disclaimer doesn't help when you directly contradict your purported cautionary and skeptical stance in every third post. From this very thread:
- They are training you to be groped in public, radiated by their cancer causing machines, not just at airports but spreading to other areas too
- if we accept this then they will come in and take your guns. You are losing your country, your morals, everything America was founded on as the globalists progress towards world domination.
- If you tolerate this then your home searchs and weapon confiscation are only a few steps away....
Where are all the qualifications and indications of uncertainty in these claims? So which is it: do you mean what you say when you declare some plot exists or do you mean what you say when you retreat and claim uncertainty and speculation? Maybe if you didn't contradict yourself in the space of a few posts there wouldn't be this confusion over your position.
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No no no.
I've stated an ET explanation is a possible and even likely model. I've never stated any certainty I have stated I never met the pilots. My opinion is the object didn't display behaviour or a level of technology or physical / flight characteristics of any known human made craft.
As far as ETs I've never claimed that because it could be extra dimensional, time travelers, they could be coming from our planet. I don't know. Ive talked about ET being a possibility because using humans as the model we are a life form on a planet that creates craft and sends them to other planets. That in itself proves its possible.
You guys refuse to accept that I'm not talking in absolutes. I cannot discuss anything until you accept that I'm aware of flaws of being human. I don't know anything for certain at all.
Heres an example again (why do I bother lol) every night you go to sleep and dream, in that dream you accept it as reality. What does that tell us?
Also technology exists to create simulated realities and drugs exist that (like dreams) alter the part of the brain that controls questioning of what is real.
Anyone whos watched the matrix should understand the concept that in truth we do not know what reality is and how real it is.
Thats fundamental. If you guys have not considered that then sorry but you have a faith and are ignoring the possibilities outside of your paradigm.
I don't know why that is SO hard for y'all to understand. For me it was step 1 in dealing with philosophy of trying to understand life. You have to accept that ultimately there is no absolute proof. When you accept that you are just working with theories of likeliness. We base stuff on possibilities with the presented data and create models as possible explanations for that data. If the data changes then usually the model has too as well.
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They are training you to be groped in public, radiated by their cancer causing machines, not just at airports but spreading to other areas too
Everyone knows this is happening. Just go to an airport. Its my opinion that the purpose of this is conditioning. If people accept being groped then they have been conditioned to accept something that is usually unacceptable.
My disclaimer isn't really relevant in that statement because its well established that TSA are touching people at airports, there no question about if that aspect of reality is real because its already on par with all other aspects of reality (ie its not in question unlike the UFO phenomena).
However, my understanding that nothing can be proven absolutely still holds true. It could not be happening and millions of people could be hoaxing it - that is however unlikely, so when I work with theories of likely ness I see no point in exploring that concept.
Precise enough for you? 
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Re: The Real News [Re: nice1]
#16257181 - 05/20/12 09:42 AM (1 year, 30 days ago) |
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However, my understanding that nothing can be proven absolutely still holds true.
no, it doesnt hold true in the real world, it may for you if you want to try
and play the pseudo philosophical game of man doesnt exist which is part of
the fantasy world some like to live in
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LOl then you hold faith or belief - as I have known all along.
So stop telling me I'm the believer - you are because you can't accept the possibility of anything outside your paradigm.
thanks for confirming it anyway. Just don't expect me to update any of my opinions to yours in future since you cannot understand a fundamental realisation about the the nature of being a human.
You are exactly the same as a religous person or anyone else that claims to have an absolute version of reality that cannot be altered. Will be funny as fuck if you die and wake up in a simulation lol funny that you can't even accept it as a possibility now :p Shows me how big your ego is.
Its like a monkey in a tree telling me that all there is to reality is swinging and throwing shit about because hes never seen anything beyond that. An absurd and completely ego centric belief.
have you ever considered that 10 thousand years ago, earth was the center of the universe? Until we invented microscopes people didn't believe bacteria existed. The enitre of human history has been one paradigm shift after another - yet you are that egotistical you believe you have pinnacle of understanding on reality now? You ignore the entire history of mankind in favour of an arrogant point of view. Its classic. Reminds me of some monty python jokes.
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Let me give you another example;
The human eye has a blind spot where we cannot physically see anything. the human mind however "imagines" what it expects to see into the blind spot.
From your perspective, I'd have to assume the blind spot was a "fraud/hoax" if it had not yet been discovered by science.
From my perspective, I'm open to the possibility that the human mind is imagining the blind spot into my perceived "reality".
Honestly your belief is a relic, I can't believe people in this day and age even think like that. We are capable of looking back now and realizing that the entire of human history has been one paradigm shift after another. To claim to have some absolute reality that only you can discern is archaic and down right hilarious.
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Re: The Real News [Re: nice1]
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LOl then you hold faith or belief - as I have known all along.
So stop telling me I'm the believer - you are because you can't accept the possibility of anything outside your paradigm.
I never claimed not to hold a belief of some sort, unlike yourself who says
he doesnt believe yet you hold many beliefs to be true, one such belief is
that nothing can me proven 100%
I can prove 100% 3 things with 1 act
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have you ever considered that 10 thousand years ago, earth was the center of the universe?
no, 10,000 years ago we didnt know a thing about the universe, that didnt
make the earth the center and it doesnt show that nothing can be proven 100%
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yet you are that egotistical you believe you have pinnacle of understanding on reality now? You ignore the entire history of mankind in favour of an arrogant point of view. Its classic. Reminds me of some monty python jokes.
to the contrary, you seem to take the errors of mankind through history as
though everything man understands now is still a falacy, a prime example of
how something can be proven 100%... if I set someone on fire can it be
proven 100% that a gasoline fire is hot? of course it can, can it also not
be proven 100% that under the right conditions that flammable liquids are
flammable, of course it can.
see how this works, you have beliefs based on erroneous conclusions such as
that nothing can be proven 100%, it's like a belief in religion
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Incorrect, look into quantum mechanics. Its established that things cannot be proven 100% - even the act of observing itself is altering the data.
More importantly by blocking yourself in with that belief it shows why you are blocked in with all these ideas and unable to alter them. In science we alter our theories when new data is shown. You always remain open to changing your theory.
Thats the fundamental problem in your outlook and it has transcended all levels - from the belief you hold an absolute version of reality to the smaller things like not being able to accept the possibility of conspiracies or ET visitation.
Simply put - you are closed minded.
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Re: The Real News [Re: nice1]
#16258100 - 05/20/12 02:38 PM (1 year, 29 days ago) |
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Incorrect, look into quantum mechanics. Its established that things cannot be proven 100% - even the act of observing itself is altering the data.
then apparently you need to learn about quantum mechanics because you're wrong
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Simply put - you are closed minded.
once again you show you havent the slightest understanding of what you're talking about
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Re: The Real News [Re: nice1]
#16258391 - 05/20/12 03:44 PM (1 year, 29 days ago) |
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Ive had enough of this ignorance any way.
You 2 enlil and Pris won't get any more replies from me in here. You've shown what you are about and its sad.
Good day sirs.
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