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SmokeeThaBandit said:
Romney went to Harvard as well, he actually got two degrees from Harvard.

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It's no wonder you're so angry after reading so many hate-filled sites though.  Grab a beer and relax man.

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But seriously, if the Cherokee Nation will elect someone who is also 1/32 native as their Principle Chief, then there should be no problems with Elizabeth Warren describing herself as part native American. 


More typical righty paranoia.

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And oh my God, a book Obama wrote in 1995, might not have been 100% truth?  What a fucking scandal.

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Anything to keep people from talking about Mittens, I suppose.

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Not Quite Social said:
Oh, I got this one ...

I fixed Ron Paul's quote for you:

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The Civil Rights Act of 1964 gave the federal government unprecedented power over the hiring, employee relations, and customer service practices of every business in the country. The result was a massive violation correction of the rights wrongs of private property and contract, which are were the bedrocks of free racist society.

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Now, don't try baiting Zappa into agreeing with L. Ron again.

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Not Quite Social said:
Fireworks God,

If you think about it, the linguistic ambiguity contained within the sentence, "I knew a man with a wooden leg named Smith" is not funny.  Common sense tells you that the man is named Smith, not the leg.  As it turns out, when you deconstruct and apply common sense to a joke you excise the humor.  Ironically, this same technique can also be used to remove the pretense of seriousness from a trite criticism.

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Anyway, lots of people recognize 1/32 Cherokee ancestry.  If it's in the mix, why not embrace it!

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They can do whatever they want.  I'm part Passamaquoddy, according to family lore , but I sure as shit wouldn't ever check the minority box on any personal profile. 

So what is an acceptable threshold of blood before one can claim to be a minority for either Affirmative Action purposes or for establishing a politically correct institutional diversity level?  Is 1/64th enough?  1/128th?  Absurd.

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http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/05/07/Faux-cohontas-Cherokee-No-Wantabe-Yes

Elizabeth Warren may claim that her great-great-great grandmother was Cherokee, but according to the Cherokee Nation, she is likely ineligible for membership. In fact, even if she had more than 1/32 Cherokee ancestry, the would-be U.S. Senator from Massachusetts likely cannot claim membership under the Cherokee Nation's strict rules.

The Washington Post ran an op-ed with the ultimate spinning title, “Elizabeth Warren says she’s Native American. So she is.” But she isn’t, and that's not how Native American identity ultimately works. An official source at the Cherokee Nation confirmed Thursday that Ms. Warren “would not under any circumstances qualify as a member of the Cherokee Nation” if she could not find an ancestor listed on the Dawes Roll, a census of Cherokee taken from 1899 to 1906.

Even if you can demonstrate by genealogy that your ancestors were Cherokee but did not sign the roll, you still cannot get in. “Anyone descended from the Cherokee [not listed on the Dawes Roll] will be unable to enroll in the Cherokee Nation, even if they are able to prove their Cherokee heritage,” writes Christina Berry at All Things Cherokee.

It would appear then that Warren, who claims to be 1/32 Cherokee solely on the basis of family history, cannot claim to be a member, and as Indian tribes, under federal law, have ultimate authority on who is--and who is not--a member of the tribe, Warren may be out of luck.

So strict are the rules that even if Warren’s own father were Cherokee but had descended from a group of Cherokee that had refused to sign the Dawes Roll, she could not qualify as a member. Ironically, the Roll, created by former Massachusetts senator Henry L. Dawes in 1893, was established to help the Cherokee assimilate into American life by giving them property and divvying up the reservation lands, not to keep them separate for the purposes of multiculturalism.

Fittingly, Dawes’s approach ultimately backfired, as white farmers moved in to try to exploit the land quotas reserved for Indians--something that Warren, who claims her Native American ancestry, might be able to relate to, if allegations that she traded on her "minority" status to gain a faculty position at Harvard Law School are true.

While the Warren campaign claims she would have received her tenure at Harvard Law on merit, it’s easy to be more than a little bit suspicious. Paul Bedard of the Washington Examiner notes that Warren’s forgery “likely played a role in her Harvard hiring.”

When compared to the academic pedigree of her colleagues at Harvard, she’s found lacking. Most professors at Harvard Law graduates from Harvard and all, but one graduated from the nation’s top 10 law schools—all that is, except for Warren, who graduated from Rutgers University in Newark, which is ranked 82nd by Top-Law-Schools.com.

In any event, to this day, several tribes--Cherokee, Chickasaw, Choctaw, Creek, and Seminole—continue to use the Rolls to decide how to award tribal benefits, such as casino earnings or scholarships. The 300,000-strong Cherokee do not distribute casino earnings to its members, but they do award modest $1000 to $2000 scholarships to their members. In 2009, the tribe provided some 2,512 scholarships.

Did Warren receive such a scholarship? If not, why not? Had she been able to establish her Cherokee bona fides, she likely would have been eligible for such a scholarship. And if she were a member of the tribe, she could have enrolled in the Cherokee Nation’s single payer health care system--a system she apparently wants to foist upon the rest of us.

Perhaps Warren, who graduated from Rutgers in 1978, was part of a new wave of Americans self-identifying as Indian. According to Killing the White Man’s Indian (1996) by historian Fergus Bordewich:

    Between 1980 and 1990, the apparent number of Indians jumped by 78 percent in New Jersey, 66.1 percent in Ohio, 64 percent in Texas, 62 percent in Virginia, and 58.3 percent in New York. …In 1990, nearly 2 million Americans listed themselves as Indians in the U.S. Census. (54)

In 1978, Congress passed the American Religious Freedom Act, which uses a two-part definition of what constitutes an Indian. According to the act, an Indian is a person who belongs to an Indian Tribe and who “is recognized as eligible for the special programs and services provided by the United States to Indians because of their status as Indians.” Anything else is fake.

Warren doesn’t fit the definition, but she is, apparently, a member of what Kent Carter, director of the National Archives-Fort Worth Branch calls the largest tribe in America--the Wantabes.

Alternatively, Warren may be a member of the second largest Native American tribe, the Outalucks. It’ll be up to voters in Massachusetts to decide.

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zappaisgod said:

When are we going to stop with this identity nonsense and quotas?  The most hypocritical part of this is that Warren and Harvard engaged in self-serving nonsense even though they both ostensibly support Affirmative Action and racial diversity in hiring and admissions for real, bona fide minorities. 

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DieCommie said:
People are desperate to be anything but white.  Makes sense with all the blame, guilt and cultural self-deprecation that white families generally carry on.  Kids dont want to be part of that, they don't get the twisted self satisfaction that the adults get from it.  So kids often fixate on and embellish any non-white heritage they have and then form their identity around that as they go on into adulthood.

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Not Quite Social said:
  As it turns out, when you deconstruct and apply common sense to a joke you excise the humor.

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Oh, I see! You were joking. That was a joke. You made a funny!
Strangely enough, even now your comment and the way in which it was delivered doesn't register in the slightest as humor for me... Maybe I have a broken funny bone?

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zappaisgod said:

When are we going to stop with this identity nonsense and quotas?  The most hypocritical part of this is that Warren and Harvard engaged in self-serving nonsense even though they both ostensibly support Affirmative Action and racial diversity in hiring and admissions for real, bona fide minorities. 

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This nonsense will end when codified racism (affirmative action) is taken out of the books. That shit only perpetuates racism (as well as big government's role in the workplace). Run for public office or something dude. You clearly know your shit better than a lot of people, regardless of whether or not I agree with your views. Many politicians don't know shit, you could easily give them a run for their money. But honestly, you are just like the rest of us who bitch online about shit. But you seem to have a brain upon your shoulders that could do something. Just my opinion.

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In what may be the ultimate and cruelest irony, not only is it unlikely that Elizabeth Warren’s great-great-great grandmother was Cherokee, it turns out that Warren’s great-great-great grandfather was a member of a militia unit which participated in the round-up of the Cherokees in the prelude to the Trail of Tears.

The evidence resulted from a tip provided by a Legal Insurrection reader to a genealogical compilation of militia members who allegedly participated in the removal of the Cherokees from Georgia.  The list included the name Jonathan Crawford, who was the husband of O.C. Sarah Smith, the person the Warren campaign has identified as Warren’s great-great-great grandmother and allegedly Cherokee.

Since confirming this genealogical information was outside my comfort zone, I forwarded the information to author and genealogist Michael Patrick Leahy, who already had written about and investigated Warren’s genealogy.

Leahy reaches the conclusion, based on a variety of sources, that Jonathan Crawford was indeed a member of the militia which rounded up Cherokees in the prelude to the Trail of Tears.

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There is nothing left of the claim that Elizabeth Warren is 1/32 Cherokee.  The documentary sources have been debunked, and the genealogist and genealogical society which originated the story and upon whom the Warren campaign relies are not talking.

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Throughout the controversy over Elizabeth Warren’s claimed Native American ancestry, Warren has maintained she was unaware that Harvard Law School touted her heritage in defense of it’s diversity hiring practices in the 90′s. As reported by the Boston Herald, the Harvard student newspaper The Crimson published at least two contemporaneous articles on this topic which made reference to Elizabeth Warren as a Native American professor, in defense of the Law School. But it turns out this controversy generated ink in more than just the Harvard school paper: it also found it’s way into the New York Times.

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