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 Hula Hooping hahaha! 
#16181225 - 05/04/12 01:29 PM (1 year, 20 days ago) |
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Was discussing the following quote with my father:
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Religious distress is at the same time the expression and the protest against real distress. Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of the heartless world, just as it is the spirit of a spiritless situation. It is the opium of the people.
The abolition of religion as the illusory happiness of the people is required for their real happiness. The demand to give up the illusions about its condition is the demand to give up a condition that needs illusions. The criticism of the religion is therefore in the embryo the criticism of the vale of woe, the halo of which is religion. Criticism has plucked the imaginary flowers from the chain, not so that man will wear the chain with any fantasy or consolation but that he will shake off the chain and cull the living flower.
Which prompted the following response:
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I don't think there is a free creature.
In my opinion Marx is postulating the impossible.
The instant that a solution comes into being, it brings more than expected.
The good is usually expected, the bad not.
Any solution I see brought forth I expect both.
I cannot fathom a perfect good.
I cannot fathom what could not contain sighs of an oppressed creature.
Humans cannot escape impermanence and as such will continue to sigh, no matter how good it gets.
Comparatively we live in the best possible world with all of our needs met and long lifespans.
And yet we have new problems sprouting up at every turn.
Why do we never expect these?
We keep thinking we will be free, if only...if only...if only...
I stopped looking for freedom.
And as a result religion is groovy with me,
it's as hopeless as the rest of the ideas.
It's right at home in the world.
A new revolution comes, an old way dies.
The cycle continues and is destined to repeat.
There is no revolution that solves the problems.
There is no war to end all wars.
And the wise know they are adrift in the madness with no land in sight.
And that's the best place to be, not clinging to the bits and pieces that float by.
Yet I know the temptation to grab hold, for safeties sake.
This is where it gets funny. My father responded that he had made an art piece 40 years ago that was a hula hoop painted as this image more or less. A snake going round on itself. Haha! How good!
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 Re: Hula Hooping hahaha! [Re: Kickle]
#16181297 - 05/04/12 01:42 PM (1 year, 20 days ago) |
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"Hang on tightly, let go lightly" -anonymous
“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
― Robert Anton Wilson
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Re: Hula Hooping hahaha! [Re: Icelander]
#16182168 - 05/04/12 05:03 PM (1 year, 20 days ago) |
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Can't see it on the phone. Will watch it later.
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Re: Hula Hooping hahaha! [Re: Kickle]
#16184483 - 05/05/12 02:52 AM (1 year, 19 days ago) |
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Speaking of hoola-hooping...
Why do we keep regarding to oneness as if it's some kind of top secret.
Sure is, but not to us. At least the majority here knows what it is and what it means.
It's only a matter of time before someone here would bring it up with
a thriving egoic self satisfaction and wrap it in riddles and metaphors,
to live up to the ideal of the wise teachers.
Probably myself included.
Let's break free from this loop as well, let us move on from here.
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Re: Hula Hooping hahaha! [Re: cbub]
#16184500 - 05/05/12 02:59 AM (1 year, 19 days ago) |
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You got to wear a mask to come to the party. 
You can't really talk about contextlessness. Riddles only scratch the surface.
The first rule of non-duality is you do not talk about non-duality. 
I'm pretty the Buddha was mad. 
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The buddha was mad. -> To be a buddha means merging with the source. -> The source is mad. -> Everything is everything - you are the source. -> You are mad. -> I'm mad -> welcome home (sanitarium)
 
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yeah.. especially the part when he says
'I'm waking up I cannot see that there's not much left of me'
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#16184567 - 05/05/12 03:23 AM (1 year, 19 days ago) |
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Re: Hula Hooping hahaha! [Re: Icelander]
#16187073 - 05/05/12 07:46 PM (1 year, 19 days ago) |
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Re: Hula Hooping hahaha! [Re: cbub]
#16189177 - 05/06/12 08:00 AM (1 year, 18 days ago) |
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cbub said:
Speaking of hoola-hooping...
Why do we keep regarding to oneness as if it's some kind of top secret.
Sure is, but not to us. At least the majority here knows what it is and what it means.
I disagree, hardly anyone anywhere knows what it is & what it means, a lot of people think they do, have had some taste, some experience, but few actually really integrate the full import of what it means & what it is.
Not that its their fault. My point is that even when its openly shared like it is through the internet nowadays its still a rarity that someone truly awakens to it as it actually is, if anything all the ideas & opinions about it mask it even more, the ego gets even more inflated thinking it 'knows'.
If someone really knew what it meant & what it is, then the understanding naturally fruits with an aura of holiness, but if they think they know what it means then its integration is kept at some distance, the idea that the person has of it limits its expression through that person.
The only knowing it is being it, not thinking you know it, and its worth saying because a lot of the time people will read something like 'oneness is all there is' and their mind will think 'yes i know that...'
No, you don't, because if you did know that, the thought 'i know that' would not arise.
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and we add another subjective opinion to the pile.
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"Hang on tightly, let go lightly" -anonymous
“under the present brutal and primitive conditions on this planet, every person you meet should be regarded as one of the walking wounded. we have never seen a man or woman not slightly deranged by either anxiety or grief. we have never seen a totally sane human being.”
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The Chronic said:
if you did know that, the thought 'i know that' would not arise.
How do you know that?
I'm not making fun, I'd really like to find out more.
Thanks for sharing.
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Re: Hula Hooping hahaha! [Re: cbub]
#16189740 - 05/06/12 11:54 AM (1 year, 18 days ago) |
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cbub said:
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The Chronic said:
if you did know that, the thought 'i know that' would not arise.
How do you know that?
I'm not making fun, I'd really like to find out more.
Thanks for sharing.
What i mean is that knowing it is being it, knowing oneness is being oneness
If someone who has dissolved their identity in that oneness read the statement 'oneness is all there is' why would they need to think 'i know that' in order to affirm it?
'I know that' implies 3 things - 'I', the capacity to 'know', and 'that', the thing known
Oneness logically must swallow all of these, oneness must exist before the attempt to know oneness arises
So how can you know something that precedes knowledge itself? By Being.
Understanding it, knowing it, is living as it, not needing thoughts to validate your existence
Living as truth, unattached to all appearances
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From what I've seen, we don't really have a choice in this matter.
We don't exist as persons, but only as an observer, becoming the story.
Author of the story isn't anyone else than you, my what a glorious imagination.
The thing with a story is - it's a process and landmarks are determined.
When you will fully know oneness is determined, no matter what you do.
There's something similar in 'Remember, be here now'
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you think that's choice?
no, not at all. it's an unfolding process...
NO ACCIDENTS
If you could stand back far enough and watch the whole process you would see YOU ARE A TOTALLY DETERMINED BEING. the very moment you will wake up is totally determined how long you will sleep is totally determined. what you will hear of what i say is totally determined. there are no accidents in this business at all. accidents are just from where you're looking.
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Re: Hula Hooping hahaha! [Re: Kickle]
#16192287 - 05/06/12 11:05 PM (1 year, 17 days ago) |
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From my understanding, the snake eating it's tail was a symbol, like the circle, representing the eternity of creation. We could be eternal. If this is the reality, then an understanding of this truth may allow humans, living now on Earth, the opportunity to reevaluate how and why we spend this current time, the trip we find ourselves taking.
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I appreciate the way you phrased this, c0sm0
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Yeah 
The snake symbol also shows how head doesn't know the tail is actually itself.
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c0sm0nautt said:
From my understanding, the snake eating it's tail was a symbol, like the circle, representing the eternity of creation. We could be eternal. If this is the reality, then an understanding of this truth may allow humans, living now on Earth, the opportunity to reevaluate how and why we spend this current time, the trip we find ourselves taking.
I see the act of creation in the symbol but I really hope not eternity. An eternity ignorantly going in circles sounds pretty hellish to me.
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