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#16178274 - 05/03/12 09:31 PM (1 year, 21 days ago) |
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Many have probably read material on this subject before, but this was featured front and center on CNN.com, so that's pretty cool.
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100 doses of psilocybin valuated at $12000.
That's $120 a dose 
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 Re: CNN.com Video on Psilocybin Studies [Re: NicoCL]
#16178595 - 05/03/12 10:25 PM (1 year, 21 days ago) |
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The value is probably based on the fact that it's "clinical strength" and probably manufactured in a very different way. 
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 Re: CNN.com Video on Psilocybin Studies [Re: newgui]
#16178988 - 05/03/12 11:25 PM (1 year, 20 days ago) |
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Chemist have been combining numerous elements to form compounds through their discoveries in labs for the past hundred years or so, such that they don't even need the base substance to make these yeilds and can use, like in this example, sources like feces or urine mixtures.
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Re: CNN.com Video on Psilocybin Studies [Re: newgui]
#16179097 - 05/03/12 11:43 PM (1 year, 20 days ago) |
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The value is probably based on the fact that it's "clinical strength" and probably manufactured in a very different way.
The value is based on the fact that the lab made a very small batch and similar startup costs apply to large or small amounts.
I think $12,000 to get a lab to make something that they don't normally make is a pretty good price and its likely they were given a price break by the chemists or lab operators because they believe in the work.
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Not to mention the process for making psilocybin in the lab isn't exactly easy or cost effective.
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Re: CNN.com Video on Psilocybin Studies [Re: NicoCL]
#16180090 - 05/04/12 03:41 AM (1 year, 20 days ago) |
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NicoCL said:
100 doses of psilocybin valuated at $12000.
That's $120 a dose
3.5g for $20, 20 * 100 = 2k, or 6 times less than they predicted. But pure chemicals and extracts are always worth more. Maybe they know it's $12k because that's what they had to pay for some clinical grade psilly.
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Re: CNN.com Video on Psilocybin Studies [Re: NicoCL]
#16180344 - 05/04/12 05:49 AM (1 year, 20 days ago) |
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NicoCL said:
100 doses of psilocybin valuated at $12000.
That's $120 a dose
Dry cubensis weight does not equal to the same amount of pure psilocybin.
Assuming a solid dose of pure psilocybin to be 20mg, 12.271 grams will give about 613.55 doses, which would make each dose cost about $20. For pure psilocybin, I think that's quite a good price.
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Re: CNN.com Video on Psilocybin Studies [Re: Fronnis]
#16180468 - 05/04/12 07:39 AM (1 year, 20 days ago) |
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Besides the possibly inflated price of the mushrooms here, which I have seen in news articles from texas(eg. "80 grams of the drug magic mushrooms, valued at a street price of $8 million" LOL) I find this subject matter to be incredibly deep to heart within me and my spirituality. I am a 17 year old, 6'2, attractive, well-liked spoiled rich boy who has always been good at things, always made good grades, always taken the harder classes, and always worked my ass off in sports(football is the family tradition).... But never felt good about myself. My lack of self esteem resulted in people feeling that I tried too hard and a general lack of popularity or interest from any of my peers. My entire life I've felt like I had to live up to my big 12 football recruit brother or my West Point graduate older brother. My disgust with my own life manifested it in my getting myself kicked out of school, losing my gpa, and then getting arrested for a felony as a juvenile; sadly, this seemed the step before suicide in my then useless life. But after an experience that seems to have come directly from god, I can say I am at peace. 'some guy I know' began growing 'his' own magic mushrooms, but didn't tell any of his friends who he smoked pot with regularly, and whom he knew would not mind knowing. He grew them in his closet without anybody knowing, and slowly grew attached to the basic beauty that lies in a substrate and a Mycelium block in itself. Then whenever 'he' ate them, he felt a connection with time and the world, something that made every anxiety that had become to define his life disappear. I am now focusing violently well on my acting career, as well as my body and well being. I studied and scored a solid 30(I think I can do better! ;D) on my ACT aptitude test, and am content on going to college and studying Mechanical engineering. I have quit smoking and drink rarely as well, not because I criticize those who do, but simply because I am so 'high on life'(I never understood that meaning until now!). The long lasting effects of this incredible, ancient drug on a truly intellectual mind can be INCREDIBLE. I'm researching now the world's most successful people's usage of such substances(bill gates, Steve Jobs,pretty much every actor and music artist). Thanks to those beautiful Equadorian Fungi, I am now free of all anxieties, and have come to realize that anxieties serve no purpose in life but to bring people down. I can focus on everything that 'god' or whatever force existed before the big bang had me born with. I am now truly glad this substance is illegal, because I don't feel like those without enough self respect, dignity, or courage to do what they feel is best regardless of a useless law deserve this level of enlightenment.
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Re: CNN.com Video on Psilocybin Studies [Re: jonyshin]
#16180475 - 05/04/12 07:44 AM (1 year, 20 days ago) |
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I am a 17 year old, 6'2, attractive, well-liked spoiled rich boy who has always been good at things
Sorry, you need to be 18 to use the site.
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I am a 17 year old, 6'2, attractive, well-liked spoiled rich boy who has always been good at things
Sorry, you need to be 18 to use the site.
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Re: CNN.com Video on Psilocybin Studies [Re: ShroomDoom]
#16181158 - 05/04/12 01:12 PM (1 year, 20 days ago) |
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I am a 17 year old, 6'2, attractive, well-liked spoiled ARROGANT rich boy who has always been good at things
Sorry, you need to be 18 to use the site.
You should learn to use paragraphs.. Then you would get even better grades!!!
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Re: CNN.com Video on Psilocybin Studies [Re: egodeathflux]
#16181959 - 05/04/12 04:13 PM (1 year, 20 days ago) |
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FUCK THIS SYNTHETIC PSILOCYBIN!!!
IT'S NOT EVEN REAL!!!
YOU NEED TO USE THE REAL MUSHROOMS TO GET THE REAL EXPERIENCE....
ISOLATING CHEMICALS IS A HORRIBLE THING....
IN MUSHROOMS THERE IS MORE THAN JUST PSILOCYBIN IN THEM WHICH ALL TOGETHER MAKE THE EXPERIENCE
YOU CAN'T GET THAT SAME EXPERIENCE BY ISOLATING ONE CHEMICAL
FUCK THESE DUMBASS SCIENTISTS THAT ARE MAKING THIS SHIT, JUST GROW SOME DAMN MUSHROOMS YOU TARDS!!!
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Calm the fuck down!
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FUCK THIS SYNTHETIC PSILOCYBIN!!!
Why?
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IT'S NOT EVEN REAL!!!
I do not agree.
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YOU NEED TO USE THE REAL MUSHROOMS TO GET THE REAL EXPERIENCE....
I think the isolated chemicals would give a much better experience than the actual mushrooms. There are some other chemicals in mushrooms which cause stomach upset and other annoying side effects.
The ancient shamans from Oaxaca, Mexico disagree with you. Maria Sabina was given pure psilocybin from Albert Hoffman's lab in the late 50's, and she said that it did contain the true spirit of the mushroom.
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ISOLATING CHEMICALS IS A HORRIBLE THING....
No, it is awesome, as long as you are isolating the right chemicals.
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IN MUSHROOMS THERE IS MORE THAN JUST PSILOCYBIN IN THEM WHICH ALL TOGETHER MAKE THE EXPERIENCE
Perhaps, but all the relevant psychoactive alkaloids in mushrooms would probably be extracted by the acid/base process.
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YOU CAN'T GET THAT SAME EXPERIENCE BY ISOLATING ONE CHEMICAL
Do you have any evidence to support that theory?
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FUCK THESE DUMBASS SCIENTISTS THAT ARE MAKING THIS SHIT, JUST GROW SOME DAMN MUSHROOMS YOU TARDS!!!
The scientists do not speak in all caps.
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Alan, you are the big winner, as always. 
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adamantasaurus said:
FUCK THIS SYNTHETIC PSILOCYBIN!!!
IT'S NOT EVEN REAL!!!
YOU NEED TO USE THE REAL MUSHROOMS TO GET THE REAL EXPERIENCE....
ISOLATING CHEMICALS IS A HORRIBLE THING....
IN MUSHROOMS THERE IS MORE THAN JUST PSILOCYBIN IN THEM WHICH ALL TOGETHER MAKE THE EXPERIENCE
YOU CAN'T GET THAT SAME EXPERIENCE BY ISOLATING ONE CHEMICAL
FUCK THESE DUMBASS SCIENTISTS THAT ARE MAKING THIS SHIT, JUST GROW SOME DAMN MUSHROOMS YOU TARDS!!!
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Wow are we all missing the point here?! This is a wonderful video. It shows hallucinogens and the wonderful medicine that they can be. I am very happy that there are currently FDA approved clinical tests being done with psilocybin. Who cares how much CNN says 100 doses of synthetic is worth lol. We can only hope that this study gives way to more studies which gives way to more studies and eventually all the Dr Rick Strassman out their get the chance to show society that hallucinogens have a very real and positive place in our world.
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Re: CNN.com Video on Psilocybin Studies [Re: Willy Wonka]
#16184019 - 05/05/12 12:54 AM (1 year, 19 days ago) |
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hallucinogens have a very real and positive place in our world.
Good point!
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Quote:
adamantasaurus said:
FUCK THIS SYNTHETIC PSILOCYBIN!!!
IT'S NOT EVEN REAL!!!
YOU NEED TO USE THE REAL MUSHROOMS TO GET THE REAL EXPERIENCE....
ISOLATING CHEMICALS IS A HORRIBLE THING....
IN MUSHROOMS THERE IS MORE THAN JUST PSILOCYBIN IN THEM WHICH ALL TOGETHER MAKE THE EXPERIENCE
YOU CAN'T GET THAT SAME EXPERIENCE BY ISOLATING ONE CHEMICAL
FUCK THESE DUMBASS SCIENTISTS THAT ARE MAKING THIS SHIT, JUST GROW SOME DAMN MUSHROOMS YOU TARDS!!!
Ugh, get over yourself. The world isn't so fucking black and white. Eat some more mushrooms and grow as a human being, please.
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