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 Enlil
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 Re: trayvon martin shooting  [Re: glockman]
#16170290 - 05/02/12 11:53 AM (1 year, 16 days ago) |
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Exactly....which would mean there is indeed more than one reason to use lethal force in a situation....I have been trying to tell him that....maybe your post count moved him to the light.
I know all about the use of deadly force to stop a forcible felony...in the context of this case, that isn't even close to relevant.
This started with me stating the issues IN THIS CASE...What forcible felony is it claimed that Martin was trying to commit that wouldn't also be a deadly threat? Ag assault would fit but slamming someone's head on the concrete is also use of deadly force...
No, I didn't get into the forcible felony portion of the law because it isn't relevant in this case. The only possible forcible felony that could apply is trayvon attacking zimmerman which also constitutes a deadly threat...meaning we don't have to even worry about that..and you ignored it until now, so I figured it was best left out...
You have a problem understanding even the most basic logic and terms...I didn't want to muddy the water further by going into forcible felony, what that means, and how it doesn't apply here.
And I'm not going any further into it now.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Enlil]
#16170333 - 05/02/12 12:06 PM (1 year, 16 days ago) |
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776.08 Forcible felony.—“Forcible felony” means treason; murder; manslaughter; sexual battery; carjacking; home-invasion robbery; robbery; burglary; arson; kidnapping; aggravated assault; aggravated battery; aggravated stalking; aircraft piracy; unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb; and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.
History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 4, ch. 75-298; s. 289, ch. 79-400; s. 5, ch. 93-212; s. 10, ch. 95-195.
Nothing there applies here....really. I understand you didnt want to muddy the waters with the FACTS. Us little people have issues with stuff like words and reading...LOL. You on the other hand have been to law school and out of all that you never learned when to stop making crap up. Banging his head on the ground does indeed meet the definition of a forcible Felony you sir are WRONG. In the context of this case for our purposes....forgetting the word "Or" "Great bodily harm " you are still not correct in what you are saying.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: glockman]
#16170868 - 05/02/12 02:00 PM (1 year, 16 days ago) |
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glockman said:
776.08 Forcible felony.—“Forcible felony” means treason; murder; manslaughter; sexual battery; carjacking; home-invasion robbery; robbery; burglary; arson; kidnapping; aggravated assault; aggravated battery; aggravated stalking; aircraft piracy; unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb; and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.
History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 4, ch. 75-298; s. 289, ch. 79-400; s. 5, ch. 93-212; s. 10, ch. 95-195.
Nothing there applies here....really. I understand you didnt want to muddy the waters with the FACTS. Us little people have issues with stuff like words and reading...LOL. You on the other hand have been to law school and out of all that you never learned when to stop making crap up. Banging his head on the ground does indeed meet the definition of a forcible Felony you sir are WRONG. In the context of this case for our purposes....forgetting the word "Or" "Great bodily harm " you are still not correct in what you are saying.
I know banging his head on the ground is a forcible felony...but it's also use of deadly force...and it's easier to prove the latter...so what does it matter if it's the former?
I concede, however, that if Martin were committing, treason, sexual battery, carjacking, home-invasion robbery, robbery, burglary, arson, kidnapping, aggravated stalking, or aircraft piracy, then zimmerman could use deadly force without any deadly threat from Martin..
I didn't see the relevance of it...I still don't...
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Enlil] 2
#16171197 - 05/02/12 02:58 PM (1 year, 16 days ago) |
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Enlil said:
I didn't see the relevance of it...I still don't...
God, you are so quick to rush to judgment. What makes you so sure there was no aircraft piracy in this case? Were you there?
I was listening to the 911 call on the news, and they digitally enhanced it. You could hear something that sounded very much like a jet engine in the background, and at one point the caller even said "uh". This was probably where a cockpit intrusion occured.
What kinda lawyer are you anyways? This is an open and shut case of aircraft piracy.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Enlil]
#16171288 - 05/02/12 03:22 PM (1 year, 16 days ago) |
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Enlil said:
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glockman said:
776.08 Forcible felony.—“Forcible felony” means treason; murder; manslaughter; sexual battery; carjacking; home-invasion robbery; robbery; burglary; arson; kidnapping; aggravated assault; aggravated battery; aggravated stalking; aircraft piracy; unlawful throwing, placing, or discharging of a destructive device or bomb; and any other felony which involves the use or threat of physical force or violence against any individual.
History.—s. 13, ch. 74-383; s. 4, ch. 75-298; s. 289, ch. 79-400; s. 5, ch. 93-212; s. 10, ch. 95-195.
Nothing there applies here....really. I understand you didnt want to muddy the waters with the FACTS. Us little people have issues with stuff like words and reading...LOL. You on the other hand have been to law school and out of all that you never learned when to stop making crap up. Banging his head on the ground does indeed meet the definition of a forcible Felony you sir are WRONG. In the context of this case for our purposes....forgetting the word "Or" "Great bodily harm " you are still not correct in what you are saying.
I know banging his head on the ground is a forcible felony...but it's also use of deadly force...and it's easier to prove the latter...so what does it matter if it's the former?
I concede, however, that if Martin were committing, treason, sexual battery, carjacking, home-invasion robbery, robbery, burglary, arson, kidnapping, aggravated stalking, or aircraft piracy, then zimmerman could use deadly force without any deadly threat from Martin..
I didn't see the relevance of it...I still don't...
NO and you never will. I rest well knowing you are not allowed to practice here....oh by the way.....still WRONG 
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Enlil
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: johnm214]
#16171345 - 05/02/12 03:39 PM (1 year, 16 days ago) |
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johnm214 said:
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Enlil said:
I didn't see the relevance of it...I still don't...
God, you are so quick to rush to judgment. What makes you so sure there was no aircraft piracy in this case? Were you there?
I was listening to the 911 call on the news, and they digitally enhanced it. You could hear something that sounded very much like a jet engine in the background, and at one point the caller even said "uh". This was probably where a cockpit intrusion occured.
What kinda lawyer are you anyways? This is an open and shut case of aircraft piracy.
I'm a criminal lawyer....but I haven't yet had an aircraft piracy case...I concede that there may be facts in this case that would support a theory of aircraft piracy...I am not privy to all of the facts.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Diploid]
#16234089 - 05/15/12 10:28 AM (1 year, 3 days ago) |
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George Zimmerman, the volunteer neighborhood watchman from Florida charged in the killing of unarmed black teen Trayvon Martin, could face federal hate crime charges, WFTV is reporting.
Zimmerman profiled and stalked Martin before allegedly shooting and killing him on Feb. 26, so now the FBI is looking into charging Zimmerman with a hate crime, the television station reports Florida state prosecutors have said.
Zimmerman has said he acted in self defense.
If Zimmerman is convicted of his second-degree murder charge, he could face life in prison, but a hate crime charge could mean he would face the death penalty, WFTV reports.
FBI representatives are interviewing residents of Zimmerman's neighorhood in Sanford, Fla., looking for evidence of a hate crime, according to WFTV.
WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer said: "What the government would have to prove is that Mr. Zimmerman acted out of hatred toward African Americans. That's why he came into contact with him. That's why he shot and killed him."
Meantime, Zimmerman lawyer Mark O'Mara tells WKMG television that he received a threat Monday. He said police officers were at his office investigationg, WKMG reports.
No further details were available.
USA Today
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Diploid]
#16234102 - 05/15/12 10:32 AM (1 year, 3 days ago) |
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That shit is conjured out of thin air...there is absolutely no indication that this is a racially motivated shooting...even if it wasn't self-defense...
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Rail_Gun said, "And those kids in CT deserved to die and I'm glad they're dead. I am glad that the survivors will have to "live with it" too. hahaha"
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Diploid]
#16235227 - 05/15/12 03:54 PM (1 year, 3 days ago) |
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I would withhold any judgment on the matter until a decision is reached. It wouldn't surprise that that they would simply be "looking at it", as this would seem to be a routine thing to do during an investigation. Note: I do not really agree with the concept of a "hate crime" carrying extra penalties vs the same crime with a different, "non-hate" motivation.
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The report also notes that Zimmerman had been prescribed mood medications Adderall and Temazepam before the shooting, ABC News reported. The doctor added that Zimmerman refused to go to the hospital the night of the shooting and added that it was “imperative” that he see his psychologist.
Huh.
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Cause "drugs are bad, m'kay"?
This is what you should have (yet seemingly didn't have the stones) posted.
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The day after George Zimmerman fatally shot 17-year-old Trayvon Martin, a family physician wrote in a report obtained by ABC News that Zimmerman had a broken nose, “a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury.”
Keep grasping at the straws you hope will save you from having to pull that foot (with leg) from your mouth.
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You beat me to it. This case is a blatant pander by the prosecution to mob rule. Fucking cowards.
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I haven't posted in this thread for a while, but I want to apologize to those I accused earlier of rushing to judgment. It was I who rushed to the belief that George Zimmerman was guilty of murder, without knowing the facts.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Lion] 2
#16239003 - 05/16/12 10:27 AM (1 year, 2 days ago) |
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Lion] 1
#16239018 - 05/16/12 10:30 AM (1 year, 2 days ago) |
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It takes some big cojones to stand corrected. I've seen that only a handful of times in all my years here (and done it myself so I know it's not easy).
You have my respect. Kudos!
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Diploid]
#16239051 - 05/16/12 10:41 AM (1 year, 2 days ago) |
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I saw you checkin out his stones. 
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Lion]
#16239060 - 05/16/12 10:44 AM (1 year, 2 days ago) |
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Lion said:
I haven't posted in this thread for a while, but I want to apologize to those I accused earlier of rushing to judgment. It was I who rushed to the belief that George Zimmerman was guilty of murder, without knowing the facts.
You are an honest and square fellow. Kudos.
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Re: trayvon martin shooting [Re: Lion]
#16239124 - 05/16/12 11:02 AM (1 year, 2 days ago) |
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Lion said:
I haven't posted in this thread for a while, but I want to apologize to those I accused earlier of rushing to judgment. It was I who rushed to the belief that George Zimmerman was guilty of murder, without knowing the facts.
It's good to see you have stones. So few do.
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