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#16159076 - 04/30/12 09:31 AM (1 year, 18 days ago) |
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http://www.newschannel5.com/story/17759864/synthetic-drug-debate-focuses-on-chemistry
Synthetic Drug Debate Focuses On Chemistry
NASHVILLE, Tenn. – A battle has been won in a Nashville courtroom for the manufacturers of synthetic drugs.
On Monday, a local market owner won a four month delay after questions arose over the chemistry of a product sold at a Lebanon market. Something police called synthetic marijuana, but a defense attorney said was just potpourri.
When an undercover Metro Police officer bought what he believed to be an illegal synthetic drug at this market on Lebanon Pike he probably never thought he'd run into a legal battle.
Defense Attorney Fletcher Long got a four month delay in the prosecution of the market owner while the Tennessee Bureau of Investigation tested for illegal chemicals in the product that was labeled potpourri.
Police said it was synthetic marijuana. Long said when the TBI tests the potpourri they won't find anything illegal.
"These officers don't have any back ground in chemistry. How do they know? And even a showing of probable cause still requires the entrance of proof," said Long.
It's another example of what seems to be the never ending battle to remove synthetic drugs from markets in Tennessee. Police have seized bath salts, plant food, incense and potpourri from stores all over the state. Abusers smoke, snort or ingest synthetic drugs and many have become sick or even died.
Last year state lawmakers made five chemicals found in the products illegal.
"Since that time we've found another 22 compounds that they've made in just a year's time," said State Representative Ryan Williams.
State Representative Ryan Williams is a sponsor of legislation that bans the 22 new compounds plus other similar chemicals.
Authorities admit it may not be enough to stop the sale of all of these synthetic drugs. Market owners may pay a steep price if they continue to sell synthetic drugs.
Another bill likely to pass lets police call the store a public nuisance and they can padlock the establishment for 60 days. Lawmakers believe it's a threat that will make most markets pull the product from their shelves.
The bill defining the chemicals of a synthetic drug is waiting for Governor Bill Haslam's signature.
The padlock bill has passed the House. It is also expected to pass the Senate either today or sometime this week.
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Re: Synthetic Drug Debate Focuses On Chemistry [Re: dwpineal]
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Another bill likely to pass lets police call the store a public nuisance and they can padlock the establishment for 60 days.
So punishment without proof? Guilty unless proven otherwise? So police become the judge, jury, and executioner?
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Re: Synthetic Drug Debate Focuses On Chemistry [Re: digitalemu]
#16159541 - 04/30/12 11:54 AM (1 year, 18 days ago) |
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More like ......
WE DON'T KNOW WAT THE HELLS GOING ON ANY MORE JUST PADLOCK THE PLACE.
we should trn em on to PURELL
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Re: Synthetic Drug Debate Focuses On Chemistry [Re: digitalemu]
#16159884 - 04/30/12 01:24 PM (1 year, 18 days ago) |
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Another bill likely to pass lets police call the store a public nuisance and they can padlock the establishment for 60 days.
So punishment without proof? Guilty unless proven otherwise? So police become the judge, jury, and executioner?
That is fascist. While I love to South and like to give people here credit, chances are no white-owned stores will be "padlocked".
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Re: Synthetic Drug Debate Focuses On Chemistry [Re: dwpineal] 1
#16159940 - 04/30/12 01:40 PM (1 year, 18 days ago) |
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There's no debate outside our online forum. It's just use the media to scare the sheeple and ban 'em all. That does not qualify as a debate.
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Re: Synthetic Drug Debate Focuses On Chemistry [Re: Rail_Gun]
#16159949 - 04/30/12 01:46 PM (1 year, 18 days ago) |
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There's no debate outside our online forum. It's just use the media to scare the sheeple and ban 'em all. That does not qualify as a debate.
I smoke marijuana every day and regularly do cocaine, amphetamines, etc. I believe that this synthetic weed and "bath salts" shit are horrible for you and should be banned. RCs are another issue, but the durgs discussed in this article are simply unhealthy "legal" alternatives to illegal drugs.
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Re: Synthetic Drug Debate Focuses On Chemistry [Re: Leon Ferrum]
#16160093 - 04/30/12 02:34 PM (1 year, 18 days ago) |
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It doesn't seem to hard to figure out whether it's legal or illegal. I'm sure the manufactures know which compounds go into their blends, some of which are legal and some aren't.
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Re: Synthetic Drug Debate Focuses On Chemistry [Re: Leon Ferrum] 1
#16160586 - 04/30/12 04:14 PM (1 year, 18 days ago) |
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There's no debate outside our online forum. It's just use the media to scare the sheeple and ban 'em all. That does not qualify as a debate.
I smoke marijuana every day and regularly do cocaine, amphetamines, etc. I believe that this synthetic weed and "bath salts" shit are horrible for you and should be banned. RCs are another issue, but the durgs discussed in this article are simply unhealthy "legal" alternatives to illegal drugs.
Banning them will do nothing to stop people from taking them. Look at all the banned drugs you take regularly 
Legalize + regulate
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There's no debate outside our online forum. It's just use the media to scare the sheeple and ban 'em all. That does not qualify as a debate.
I smoke marijuana every day and regularly do cocaine, amphetamines, etc. I believe that this synthetic weed and "bath salts" shit are horrible for you and should be banned. RCs are another issue, but the durgs discussed in this article are simply unhealthy "legal" alternatives to illegal drugs.
 yet another supporter of prohibition. Do you have an extensive backround in chemistry? Where is your proof that these substances harmful? I can post links to actual evidence that abuse of cocaine and amphetamines can cause severe damage and even death, does that mean I think you should go to jail for their use? HELL FUCKING NO! Why do you want me to go to jail for enjoying a chemical? Just because you don't like it?
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Re: Synthetic Drug Debate Focuses On Chemistry [Re: digitalemu]
#16163469 - 05/01/12 01:34 AM (1 year, 17 days ago) |
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Another bill likely to pass lets police call the store a public nuisance and they can padlock the establishment for 60 days.
So punishment without proof? Guilty unless proven otherwise? So police become the judge, jury, and executioner?
Yea, essentially. Just another backdoor into laws that takes away our freedoms. So many small businesses can't afford to stay out of business for that long. Plus, if you walked by that place every day and one day it was just CLOSED you would think it was going out of business and forget about it. They do this under the guise of public safety but deep down they know its to kill businesses that do things they don't like. Fucking south. To be fair I'm from PA and we do shit like this all the time so...
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Re: Synthetic Drug Debate Focuses On Chemistry [Re: The Influence]
#16164389 - 05/01/12 09:51 AM (1 year, 17 days ago) |
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The government has just given itself the power to shut down local businesses at will.
Part of endlessly volumes of evidence that we live in a genuine dystopia.
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There's no debate outside our online forum. It's just use the media to scare the sheeple and ban 'em all. That does not qualify as a debate.
I smoke marijuana every day and regularly do cocaine, amphetamines, etc. I believe that this synthetic weed and "bath salts" shit are horrible for you and should be banned. RCs are another issue, but the durgs discussed in this article are simply unhealthy "legal" alternatives to illegal drugs.
yet another supporter of prohibition. Do you have an extensive backround in chemistry? Where is your proof that these substances harmful? I can post links to actual evidence that abuse of cocaine and amphetamines can cause severe damage and even death, does that mean I think you should go to jail for their use? HELL FUCKING NO! Why do you want me to go to jail for enjoying a chemical? Just because you don't like it?
Also, where is the proof that CRIMINALIZING a substance is a legitimate legal stance to take because a substance can be considered dangerous? It's not.
The American public is trained to think "X substance is too danerous. X subtance should be made criminal!" as is if that makes any logical sense whatsoever.
The criminal justice system makes for a shitty public health system.
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Re: Synthetic Drug Debate Focuses On Chemistry [Re: Society]
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The government has just given itself the power to shut down local businesses at will.
Part of endlessly volumes of evidence that we live in a genuine dystopia.
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There's no debate outside our online forum. It's just use the media to scare the sheeple and ban 'em all. That does not qualify as a debate.
I smoke marijuana every day and regularly do cocaine, amphetamines, etc. I believe that this synthetic weed and "bath salts" shit are horrible for you and should be banned. RCs are another issue, but the durgs discussed in this article are simply unhealthy "legal" alternatives to illegal drugs.
yet another supporter of prohibition. Do you have an extensive backround in chemistry? Where is your proof that these substances harmful? I can post links to actual evidence that abuse of cocaine and amphetamines can cause severe damage and even death, does that mean I think you should go to jail for their use? HELL FUCKING NO! Why do you want me to go to jail for enjoying a chemical? Just because you don't like it?
Also, where is the proof that CRIMINALIZING a substance is a legitimate legal stance to take because a substance can be considered dangerous? It's not.
The American public is trained to think "X substance is too danerous. X subtance should be made criminal!" as is if that makes any logical sense whatsoever.
The criminal justice system makes for a shitty public health system.
I never said they should be criminalized, just illegal. Any store that sells this shit is unethical. For your information, methamphetamine and cocaine are both FDA approved drugs. Bath salts and fake weed compounds have not been studied very much, and are also full of impurities from the synthesis that are very likely to be toxic. If you want evidence that these substances are harmful call any ER nurse or doctor that you know and ask them about "bath salts". My nurse friend is constantly whining about all the people that come in these days after snorting a bunch of "bath salts". Does not take a PHD in chemistry to see that.
Making these substances just as illegal as the drugs they are intended to mimic will make fewer people use them, because they might as well just use the real thing.
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Re: Synthetic Drug Debate Focuses On Chemistry [Re: Leon Ferrum]
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Leon FerrumI never said they should be criminalized, just illegal. Any store that sells this shit is unethical. For your information, methamphetamine and cocaine are both FDA approved drugs. Bath salts and fake weed compounds have not been studied very much, and are also full of impurities from the synthesis that are very likely to be toxic. If you want evidence that these substances are harmful call any ER nurse or doctor that you know and ask them about "bath salts". My nurse friend is constantly whining about all the people that come in these days after snorting a bunch of "bath salts". Does not take a PHD in chemistry to see that.
Making these substances just as illegal as the drugs they are intended to mimic will make fewer people use them, because they might as well just use the real thing.
There is so much wrong with your way of thinking Are you prescribed cocaine and/or methamphetamine? I am positive the answer to cocaine is no since it has not been used medicinally for quite some time. You also are not using these drugs in a manner consistent with what a doctor would prescribe them. You use them recreationally, amphetamines used over the recommended doses cause many problems including but not limited to: amphetamine psychosis, cardiac arrest, hallucinations, violent or aggressive behavior, seizures, stroke, and coma. Amphetamines can be neuro-toxic in recreational doses. Those are just a few of the short term effects from immediate use. Take a gander at the long term effects.
Do I really need to go over the harmful effects of cocaine? How many ER visits are cocaine related each year (I'll give you a hint: they out number the total of ER visits for all RC's combined by a long shot)?
How many commercials do you see a day regarding class action lawsuits against FDA approved drugs? Have you ever read the side effects of most prescription drugs that are FDA approved? Most include some pretty nasty shit, but more so the risk of DEATH. Marijuana has been shown to have great medicinal effects and next to no harmful side effects in many studies (wouldn't you agree with this assertion yourself?) but yet the FDA lists it as having no medicinal value. They would rather give people addictive and harmful drugs that cannot be easily made so that they continue to rake in huge profits. Where is the profit margin for them if you could grow your own weed instead of taking prescription drugs? Really if you think the FDA is driven by anything but profit you are delusional. So your point about your drugs of choice being safer because they are FDA approved is moot.
But do I think you should get in trouble for putting these substances into your body? No, no I don't if you are a competent adult. I use them as well. I just went on a little vyvanse binge myself the other week.
But for some reason you feel that I should be in trouble for using my drugs of choice cause you feel they are bad for me? Get the fuck outta here man. As pointed out above your drugs of choice have had long known negative side effects and yet you use them. So what leads you to believe making these RC's illegal will do anything to stop their use? Cocaine is highly illegal the world over, yet you use it still. It has not deterred you any, just as making RC's illegal will do nothing but cause un-necessary legal troubles for otherwise responsible adults.
I really can't believe I have seen so many people on a pro-drug site that condone only the use of their drugs of choice, and gobble up drug propaganda regarding the drugs they don't like as fast as the government can make it up.
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Re: Synthetic Drug Debate Focuses On Chemistry [Re: The Influence]
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While I agree with much of what you said The Influence, there is a big difference between bath salts/jwh and other drugs. There are ways to use cocaine, methamphetamine, marijuana, etc in responsible ways. There is not really a way to do bath salts in any kind of responsible way because you have no idea what is in them. I buy quality product and purify my cocaine if necessary.
Also just FYI http://www.justice.gov/dea/concern/cocaine.html
One of my friends had a nose surgery when he was a kid, and his mom (a nurse) applied the cocaine to him.
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Re: Synthetic Drug Debate Focuses On Chemistry [Re: Leon Ferrum]
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While I agree with much of what you said The Influence, there is a big difference between bath salts/jwh and other drugs. There are ways to use cocaine, methamphetamine, marijuana, etc in responsible ways. There is not really a way to do bath salts in any kind of responsible way because you have no idea what is in them. I buy quality product and purify my cocaine if necessary.
Also just FYI http://www.justice.gov/dea/concern/cocaine.html
One of my friends had a nose surgery when he was a kid, and his mom (a nurse) applied the cocaine to him.
But we do know whats in them (most vendors will even provide a chemical fact sheet, can you say that about cocaine dealers?) , and know the immediate short term effects of most. Long term effects to be determined. And that is reasonable that you do not like them, and I respect that. Simply don't do them
That being said I am a fairly intelligent adult and feel that I can weigh the risk vs. benefit from my drugs of choice all on my own without having to be arrested/fined to save me from myself. Making drugs illegal simply does no good, yet it seems to make for a pretty profitable industry for the government and violent drug cartels.
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Re: Synthetic Drug Debate Focuses On Chemistry [Re: Leon Ferrum]
#16167302 - 05/01/12 08:35 PM (1 year, 16 days ago) |
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Making these substances just as illegal as the drugs they are intended to mimic will make fewer people use them, because they might as well just use the real thing.
1) These chemicals are not intended to mimic any drugs. They are molecules and they are the "real thing." Mephedrone (one chemical in bath salts) has actually increased in popularity since it has been banned in the UK. Now that it is illegal, it is more expensive, impure (unknown dosage), and involves criminality if someone is caught.
Supply and demand. There is a huge demand for novel consciousness change. These research chemicals fill in this niche market. When they are made illegal, there is still demand and an enormous supply of undiscovered or rare substances to fulfill this demand. This is how the designer drug market works. Mephedrone, MDPV, and methylone were banned, so bath salts now contain a-PVP, pentedrone, 4-MEC, etc. Ban those, and there are hundreds more.
If the more researched substances, such as cannabis and LSD and cocaine, were available, then the market for unresearched chemicals would be reduced drastically. But it would be still be completely retarded to ban substances simply for being "new" and potentially dangerous (unresearched).
You're approaching this issue from a prohibitionist perspective. Nobody should be criminalized for the substances they use. I agree that the current designer drug market has public health repercussions, but continuing to ban these substances deepens this problem.
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Re: Synthetic Drug Debate Focuses On Chemistry [Re: Society]
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While I agree with much of what you said The Influence, there is a big difference between bath salts/jwh and other drugs. There are ways to use cocaine, methamphetamine, marijuana, etc in responsible ways. There is not really a way to do bath salts in any kind of responsible way because you have no idea what is in them. I buy quality product and purify my cocaine if necessary.
Also just FYI http://www.justice.gov/dea/concern/cocaine.html
One of my friends had a nose surgery when he was a kid, and his mom (a nurse) applied the cocaine to him.
But we do know whats in them (most vendors will even provide a chemical fact sheet, can you say that about cocaine dealers?) , and know the immediate short term effects of most. Long term effects to be determined. And that is reasonable that you do not like them, and I respect that. Simply don't do them
That being said I am a fairly intelligent adult and feel that I can weigh the risk vs. benefit from my drugs of choice all on my own without having to be arrested/fined to save me from myself. Making drugs illegal simply does no good, yet it seems to make for a pretty profitable industry for the government and violent drug cartels.
That is a crock of shit. Even if vendors did provide a chemical "fact sheet" the fact that it is not for human consumption means that the fact sheet is legally allowed to lie. While I do not have a clue exactly what is in any drug I buy, I am at least buying it from someone who consumes it them self and not someone who recommends not ingesting it at all.
Should I be allowed to sell arsenic and say that it is sugar? That is essentially what bath salts are. You have absolutely no idea what they are. I personally would not get into a bathtub with them dissolved in the water if you paid me.
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1) These chemicals are not intended to mimic any drugs. They are molecules and they are the "real thing."
But it would be still be completely retarded to ban substances simply for being "new" and potentially dangerous (unresearched).
They are most definitively mimicking illegal drugs. The only reason people take them is because they want a legal alternative either so that they will pass a drug test, not get caught, or believe that it is safer. While there may be a market for "novel" highs, nobody would do this bath salt shit if MDMA, methamphetamine, and cocaine were legal.
And I have news for you- in the United States nothing is approved for human consumption until it is approved by the FDA. If you do not like these laws I would recommend taking a history class. That is not a "prohibitionist perspective" it is common sense.
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Re: Synthetic Drug Debate Focuses On Chemistry [Re: Leon Ferrum]
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Yea cause the FDA has never let a drug go on the market that can hurt you. Not saying I don't like the idea of a group that checks on the safety of what I'm consuming but its not like they are infallible.
In fact, the FDA has a 'black label' system in which they say a drug should be used only in the most extreme of cases. Only every single anti-depressant and most other psychotropic drugs fit this category. Yet you can go to a psychiatrist and get a lot of these drugs within a couple visits. So regardless of what the FDA "says" other people apply the drug in whatever way they see fit.
I just want the opportunity to be one of these other people
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Re: Synthetic Drug Debate Focuses On Chemistry [Re: Leon Ferrum]
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While I agree with much of what you said The Influence, there is a big difference between bath salts/jwh and other drugs. There are ways to use cocaine, methamphetamine, marijuana, etc in responsible ways. There is not really a way to do bath salts in any kind of responsible way because you have no idea what is in them. I buy quality product and purify my cocaine if necessary.
Also just FYI http://www.justice.gov/dea/concern/cocaine.html
One of my friends had a nose surgery when he was a kid, and his mom (a nurse) applied the cocaine to him.
But we do know whats in them (most vendors will even provide a chemical fact sheet, can you say that about cocaine dealers?) , and know the immediate short term effects of most. Long term effects to be determined. And that is reasonable that you do not like them, and I respect that. Simply don't do them
That being said I am a fairly intelligent adult and feel that I can weigh the risk vs. benefit from my drugs of choice all on my own without having to be arrested/fined to save me from myself. Making drugs illegal simply does no good, yet it seems to make for a pretty profitable industry for the government and violent drug cartels.
That is a crock of shit. Even if vendors did provide a chemical "fact sheet" the fact that it is not for human consumption means that the fact sheet is legally allowed to lie. While I do not have a clue exactly what is in any drug I buy, I am at least buying it from someone who consumes it them self and not someone who recommends not ingesting it at all.
Should I be allowed to sell arsenic and say that it is sugar? That is essentially what bath salts are. You have absolutely no idea what they are. I personally would not get into a bathtub with them dissolved in the water if you paid me.
No what you are claiming is a crock of shit. Ask any chemist on this site and see what they say about a legit vendors fact sheet. You can go to nih.gov (a government website) and get fact sheets on these chemicals. Of course selling a chemical of questionable legality out in the open web would require them to say "not for human consumption". Serioulsy you haven't the slightest clue to as what you are talking about. You keep mentioning bath salts when mephedrone has been banned. 4-aco-dmt is not "bath salts", a-PPP is not bath salts, 5-meo-DMT is not bath salts. Again your ignoring the fact that your illegal drugs of choice have been proven to be harmful and deadly long ago. Doesn't matter their purity, as I pointed out earlier the FDA is constantly approving medications that cause severe side effects and death. Look up how many ER visits were attributed to cocaine, and compare that to JWH-018. Or even mephedrone (the bath salts you keep ranting about) Cocaine takes the cake bud.
Usually when I don't know what I am talking about I either read up or don't try to form such a strong opinion. Again please tell me how your drugs of choice (which I do along with RCs) is so much safer? Please provide some intelligent support behind your reasoning that I should be locked up for the highs I like and you should have your drugs of choice legalized.
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That is a crock of shit. Even if vendors did provide a chemical "fact sheet" the fact that it is not for human consumption means that the fact sheet is legally allowed to lie. While I do not have a clue exactly what is in any drug I buy, I am at least buying it from someone who consumes it them self and not someone who recommends not ingesting it at all.
Should I be allowed to sell arsenic and say that it is sugar? That is essentially what bath salts are. You have absolutely no idea what they are. I personally would not get into a bathtub with them dissolved in the water if you paid me.
Dude....don't you fucking get it yet!?
It does not matter WHAT you think about the drugs, how bad ect ect they are for everyone taking them.... ITS NOT YOUR FUCKING CHOICE WHETHER THEY ARE ILLEGAL OR NOT. WTF makes you think you have any sort of right, whatsoever, to make a call like that? Or, why do you think our federal government does? You never address that, just spit out more and more bullshit~
Your ego is the size of a football field
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"Nihil est incertius vulgo, nihil obscurius voluntate hominum, nihil fallacius ratione tota comitiorum."; "Nothing is more unpredictable than the mob, nothing more obscure than public opinion, nothing more deceptive than the whole political system."~ Cicero
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