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 Re: Do you think the Shroomery does too much to promote racism?  [Re: DeathSpider]
#16155447 - 04/29/12 03:37 PM (1 year, 18 days ago) |
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 ive never seen  before
..but no, the pub is not racist.
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Re: Do you think the Shroomery does too much to promote racism? [Re: DieCommie]
#16155452 - 04/29/12 03:39 PM (1 year, 18 days ago) |
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Good point, Im just not sure what you mean about promoting diversity. Thats not what this site is about. Who ever said anything about diversity? Rhetorical question because the answer is no one.
Assuming that members should be more cautious of their language attempts to preserve a diversity of opinions about what is offensive or acceptable. Presumably, if there are calls to be more reserved in our language, it is to appease every minority or facet of the members that may have issues. So, "promoting diversity" is somewhat vague, but by welcoming everyone (all drug users - not just psychedelic ones; homosexuals, all races, all nationalities, etc.) we should expect to hear all manner of opinions and language usage to reflect that diversity in membership. Thus, to say everyone is welcome to join and yet restrict the flow of that communication, just seems like an awkward and unjust filter.
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Re: Do you think the Shroomery does too much to promote racism? [Re: Captain Cook] 1
#16155465 - 04/29/12 03:43 PM (1 year, 18 days ago) |
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This is a privately owned forum, so everyones notion of "freedom of speech" doesn't really apply here. Shroomery isn't the government or illuminati or what have you. 
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Re: Do you think the Shroomery does too much to promote racism? [Re: Ythan] 6
#16155477 - 04/29/12 03:47 PM (1 year, 18 days ago) |
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Shroomery should do what's it's been doing. If someone drops "nigger" or some of those graemlins too often to the point where people get annoyed/pissed off, ban them. Otherwise, let people be inappropriate and immature every now and again if it looks like it's all in jest.
my guess is that most of these complaints are coming from whitey, anyway, and his compulsion to feel guilty about every race he's crossed.
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Re: Do you think the Shroomery does too much to promote racism? [Re: DeathSpider]
#16155480 - 04/29/12 03:48 PM (1 year, 18 days ago) |
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DeathSpider said:
This is a privately owned forum, so everyones notion of "freedom of speech" doesn't really apply here. Shroomery isn't the government or illuminati or what have you.
But you would think that a website that relies heavily on our freedom of speech laws would
be a little more open minded.
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Re: Do you think the Shroomery does too much to promote racism? [Re: Remix]
#16155486 - 04/29/12 03:50 PM (1 year, 18 days ago) |
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my guess is that most of these complaints are coming from whitey, anyway
That doesnt matter. White people have just as much right to be offended by racism (real or perceived) as black people.
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DeathSpider
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Re: Do you think the Shroomery does too much to promote racism? [Re: BeefheartisBetter]
#16155513 - 04/29/12 03:55 PM (1 year, 18 days ago) |
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BeefheartisBetter said:
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DeathSpider said:
This is a privately owned forum, so everyones notion of "freedom of speech" doesn't really apply here. Shroomery isn't the government or illuminati or what have you.
But you would think that a website that relies heavily on our freedom of speech laws would
be a little more open minded.
There is always a limit to any freedom.
I'm just sayin that suppose you were in my living room and I requested you to never use the word "cupcake" in my presence. Would you respect that request in my living room, or would you say I am oppressing you and demand I respect your right to use the word "Cupcake" however and where ever you want?
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BeefheartisBetter
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Re: Do you think the Shroomery does too much to promote racism? [Re: DeathSpider]
#16155544 - 04/29/12 04:02 PM (1 year, 18 days ago) |
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DeathSpider said:
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BeefheartisBetter said:
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DeathSpider said:
This is a privately owned forum, so everyones notion of "freedom of speech" doesn't really apply here. Shroomery isn't the government or illuminati or what have you.
But you would think that a website that relies heavily on our freedom of speech laws would
be a little more open minded.
There is always a limit to any freedom.
I'm just sayin that suppose you were in my living room and I requested you to never use the word "cupcake" in my presence. Would you respect that request in my living room, or would you say I am oppressing you and demand I respect your right to use the word "Cupcake" however and where ever you want?
I would respect your wishes and attempt to argue my point of why that is retarded,
and hopefully convince you. Like we're doing now.
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Re: Do you think the Shroomery does too much to promote racism? [Re: DieCommie] 1
#16155562 - 04/29/12 04:09 PM (1 year, 18 days ago) |
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You have a right to be offended by whatever you want.
On the other hand, it's pretty arrogant for one to assume they know what offends other races, as though everybody in that race is the same and, thus, offended by the exact same things.
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Re: Do you think the Shroomery does too much to promote racism? [Re: Remix]
#16155575 - 04/29/12 04:13 PM (1 year, 18 days ago) |
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Remix said:
On the other hand, it's pretty arrogant for one to assume they know what offends other races, as though everybody in that race is the same and, thus, offended by the exact same things.
You miss my point I think. Its not about predicting what offends other races, its about what offends you personally. A white person is not arrogant at all if they are offended by some racism against blacks that a black person is not offended by.
If I see racism that offends me, it offends me because of my value system. Not because of some value system I assume others have.
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Re: Do you think the Shroomery does too much to promote racism? [Re: Remix]
#16155577 - 04/29/12 04:14 PM (1 year, 18 days ago) |
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You seriously think that because some person somewhere isn't offended, it's ok to use the word widely, offending all others?
Can we all just agree that most people are offended by racist language and get back on topic?
"But my black friends don't mind"
What about their parents? You're hanging out, smoking and joking, and his dad walks in.
Are you going to greet him with "hey, nigga, wassup?" or are you going to say "hello"?
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Re: Do you think the Shroomery does too much to promote racism? [Re: Remix] 2
#16155586 - 04/29/12 04:17 PM (1 year, 18 days ago) |
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the definition of racism is:
1. a belief or doctrine that inherent differences among the various human races determine cultural or individual achievement, usually involving the idea that one's own race is superior and has the right to rule others.
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a policy, system of government, etc., based upon or fostering such a doctrine; discrimination.
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hatred or intolerance of another race or other races.
I dont see the shroomery doing any of that anywhere at any time.... ever.
while racial epithets are thown around every 5 seconds in OTD, it doesnt mean that we are trying to enslave darky, or make ol' slant eye nguyen build another railroad.
we arent promoting an idea that one race is better than the other. if we make someone of another race feel uncomfortable, well, it isnt because we knew you were a gay black man and maliciously called you a faggot nigger travis.
spend enough time in the OTD and someone is going to offend you, regardless of your color, socioeconomic status or if you like to engage in homosexual activities on the reg.
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Re: Do you think the Shroomery does too much to promote racism? [Re: Ythan] 3
#16155590 - 04/29/12 04:18 PM (1 year, 18 days ago) |
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Ythan.. isnt this the same reason why the shroomery has an "ignore" feature?
if someone deems someone to racist ignore them and move on with life..
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Re: Do you think the Shroomery does too much to promote racism? [Re: DieCommie] 3
#16155607 - 04/29/12 04:21 PM (1 year, 18 days ago) |
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What if we have God fearing religious fanatics posting here that are
offended by naked women. Should we get rid of the Naked Ladies thread?
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You are on my turf when you are in the pub.[/quote]
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Re: Do you think the Shroomery does too much to promote racism? [Re: Doc_T] 5
#16155649 - 04/29/12 04:30 PM (1 year, 18 days ago) |
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like has been said here already it definitely depends on the context the word is used in, out of hate... or out of just playing around.
also..
online forums and the internet in general is notorious for having things that might come across as offensive to others. don't like it? then don't put yourself near it, the easiest solution is to get off that page or ignore said person.
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Re: Do you think the Shroomery does too much to promote racism? [Re: Doc_T] 3
#16155666 - 04/29/12 04:37 PM (1 year, 18 days ago) |
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Doc_T said:
You seriously think that because some person somewhere isn't offended, it's ok to use the word widely, offending all others?
Can we all just agree that most people are offended by racist language and get back on topic?
Telling others what they can and can not say is more offensive...not to mention disgustingly arrogant.
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Re: Do you think the Shroomery does too much to promote racism? [Re: deCypher] 1
#16155706 - 04/29/12 04:50 PM (1 year, 18 days ago) |
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Censorship of words or pictures just because they offend someone is a slippery slope... should we also ban people who use the word "fatty", "retard" or "bitch"? Oh wait, only racism is socially unacceptable while sexism and discrimination based on intelligence or weight is just fine. 
Let people express themselves how they see fit; it's just pixels on a screen and it's the individual's choice whether or not to get offended by them.
There are plenty of emoticons on the other side of the color wheel...    just o3 n the by pushing the smiley fn. People need to chill. There are only 3ish "black" emoticons, tons of whites depicted as drug addicts, or other less than desirable stereotypes. Personally I am racist towards blacks. I am by no means prejudice, I try to never let my preconceived ideas influince my actions. I am, due to my life experiences are racist, I have only had negative experiences when around blacks. My views of blacks are fucked up. I do not think that it is right to be rude, mean, or any other kind of prejudice to blacks because of this. I just avoid them. Too many negative experiences, I just avoid the situations all together. I know this view is not right. To me it is not worth the risk. I live in a 99% non black area now, but was born in a very diverse city. I know that not all blacks are like the ones I have ran into. To me, it is not worth the risk due to my past experiences.
I see a lot of overly rasist posts. I also see a lot of post that are a bit overly  
So, let it ride. This is far from a 4th Reich forum. People just get carried away. These things come and go. A few years ago was there a problem with all the bashing? nope, because he is white.
Let it ride, people will get over it.
AND asians should be pissed. All the yellow emoticons... ...         ...
or wait asians arnt yellow...  of the black and white version 
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Re: Do you think the Shroomery does too much to promote racism? [Re: Byrain] 1
#16155711 - 04/29/12 04:50 PM (1 year, 18 days ago) |
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Black people arent offended by this its the white guilt guys trying to cause trouble. Men do not want chains and shackles placed onto them thus not allowing them to express their freedom of speech. I voted hella no with emphasis on the hella. Let freedom ring.
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Re: Do you think the Shroomery does too much to promote racism? [Re: deCypher]
#16155713 - 04/29/12 04:51 PM (1 year, 18 days ago) |
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deCypher said:
Censorship of words or pictures just because they offend someone is a slippery slope... should we also ban people who use the word "fatty", "retard" or "bitch"? Oh wait, only racism is socially unacceptable while sexism and discrimination based on intelligence or weight is just fine.
Let people express themselves how they see fit; it's just pixels on a screen and it's the individual's choice whether or not to get offended by them.
It is not necessarily censorship, but creating a welcoming webspace. What if you ran a bar and someone taped up a poster that said "Nigga Killa!  " or something. Would you not consider taking it down in that it might offend or hurt someone, or that it is downright distasteful?
Taking down some graemlins that exaggerate negative stereotypes is pretty similar. You don't need to facilitate racism or supply cultural artifacts that tend to attract racist attitudes in order to allow free speech.
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Re: Do you think the Shroomery does too much to promote racism? [Re: bradley]
#16155754 - 04/29/12 04:59 PM (1 year, 18 days ago) |
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It is not necessarily censorship, but creating a welcoming webspace. What if you ran a bar and someone taped up a poster that said "Nigga Killa! " or something. Would you not consider taking it down in that it might offend or hurt someone, or that it is downright distasteful?
AND communism was just creating a welcoming country...
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