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 Wing
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No it won't bring back beneficial organisms. It'll dry your material so you can bring it back to field capacity.
Just spread your material out and let it dry out for a day or two. Then bring it back to field capcity and pasteurize properly (not in an oven or bucket).
Or just start over with new coir and use the bucket tek.
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 Re: Coir Tek  [Re: Wing]
#16080681 - 04/12/12 04:33 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Wing said:
No it won't bring back beneficial organisms. It'll dry your material so you can bring it back to field capacity.
Just spread your material out and let it dry out for a day or two. Then bring it back to field capcity and pasteurize properly (not in an oven or bucket).
Or just start over with new coir and use the bucket tek.
There is no need to start over with fresh materials in this case, what-so-ever. That's some perfectly good materials.
Actually to a degree, beneficial and, non-beneficial organisms are reintroduced back into the substrate materials once they've been placed back outside or, in an open area to dehydrate. The level of the degree of to which how much organisms return depends on how long the materials are let out in the open to dehydrate.
bubbarboss, sorry about the link malfunction. These links work.
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Horse-Manure-Substrate
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Casing-Layer-Preparation
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bubbarboss
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Quote:
hamloaf said:
Quote:
Wing said:
No it won't bring back beneficial organisms. It'll dry your material so you can bring it back to field capacity.
Just spread your material out and let it dry out for a day or two. Then bring it back to field capcity and pasteurize properly (not in an oven or bucket).
Or just start over with new coir and use the bucket tek.
There is no need to start over with fresh materials in this case, what-so-ever. That's some perfectly good materials.
Actually to a degree, beneficial and, non-beneficial organisms are reintroduced back into the substrate materials once they've been placed back outside or, in an open area to dehydrate. The level of the degree of to which how much organisms return depends on how long the materials are let out in the open to dehydrate.
bubbarboss, sorry about the link malfunction. These links work.
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Horse-Manure-Substrate
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Casing-Layer-Preparation
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hamloaf said:
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Wing said:
No it won't bring back beneficial organisms. It'll dry your material so you can bring it back to field capacity.
Just spread your material out and let it dry out for a day or two. Then bring it back to field capcity and pasteurize properly (not in an oven or bucket).
Or just start over with new coir and use the bucket tek.
There is no need to start over with fresh materials in this case, what-so-ever. That's some perfectly good materials.
Actually to a degree, beneficial and, non-beneficial organisms are reintroduced back into the substrate materials once they've been placed back outside or, in an open area to dehydrate. The level of the degree of to which how much organisms return depends on how long the materials are let out in the open to dehydrate.
bubbarboss, sorry about the link malfunction. These links work.
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Horse-Manure-Substrate
http://www.mushroomvideos.com/Casing-Layer-Preparation
thank you I have watched all of these links before. and thank you for the answer to my question.
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Rehab
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Someone inform me a little bit, I don't think I'm getting it I'm ah little bit of a newbie.
I don't understand if you already have colonized spawn that your putting in what would be the point of putting this in a garbage bag and waiting 10 days. Shouldn't you go straight into fruiting.
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PeterPanda209
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Re: Coir Tek [Re: Rehab]
#16095452 - 04/16/12 12:18 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Fruiting straight from your grain (though possible) is gonna give you sub-par results.
Expanding your mycelial network results in much more surface area and "food" so to speak for mycelium to grow and there for more space for muchrooms to grow from.
7quart jars will fill a little shoebox tub but 7quart jars plus everything in this tek and you have a crapload more myc picture it in your head and it pretty much speaks for itself =]
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alibaba1973
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i've been trying this tek with mixed results. of course, then i realized i was making a BIG mistake. i was following the recipe exactly, but using 5 PINTS of spawn instead of 5 QUARTS. retarded, i know. so retarded. i've been getting about 2-4 oz dry from 1 tub. i put a thermometer and a hygrometer in my tub to make sure conditions are good, i'm maintaining 70-75 F internal temp and 90-95% humidity in the tub. so far i've ONLY used coir/verm in the volumes specified in the tek, do you all think that if i switch from 5 pints of spawn, to the proper amount, 5 quarts, that my yields will be stronger? i was also thinking of adding a cup of gypsum to the to the bucket before i add the boiling water. i have 5 quarts WBS almost ready to go and am wanting to try the recipe again EXACTLY this time, with the proper amount of spawn... do you guys think my results will be improved?
thanks in advance. this is one of the most helpful threads in the forums. if i can get my yields to a half pound dry per tub, i will be very happy 
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Lifted1
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I add like a half cup to a cup of gyp to the boiling water.
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alibaba1973
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thank you. what exactly is the purpose of the gypsum? nutrients? why do you like to add it to the boiling water? not questioning you, just love to know what to do as well as why i'm doing it.
also, in this recipe, are the mushies getting enough nitrogen? what is the primary nitrogen source in this recipe?
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Lifted1
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Correct. Gypsum tends to hold the pH stable. Regardless of how much you use, the pH will stay at around 6.9 or so. With lime, you can raise the pH to 8 or so for casing layers.
The main benefit of gypsum in substrates it the addition of calcium and sulfur, both important to proper fruitbody formation. When you see grows with skinny, poorly formed fruits that have no dry weight, it's a good bet the person neglected to use gypsum.
RR
I boil it in the water so that it dissolves . The first time I did this tek, I just poured my gypsum in with the coir and verm, and mixed. After hydration and sitting for 4 hours etc, I found that when I opened it up and went to use it, the gooey gypsum was collected at the bottom and a sloppy mess.
Now, I boil it and when I pour the water into my bucket it mixes in evenly. I shake the bucket real well, let it sit for an hour or so, then shake well again. When I go to use my sub and open the lid, the substrate is perfect. Fluffy, field cap, evenly mixed.
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alibaba1973
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thank you for the RR quote. ive been having with problems with fruits that dehydrate down extremely skinny. i meant to ask about this, too, but the RR quote answers for me. thanks.
good info re: dissolving the gypsum in the water. sounds like a good idea to me, i will implement in my next tubs
do you follow d5050's advice regarding the duct tape/trash bag on the tub during colonization? i have read that you are suffocating your shrooms when u do this, and i have had success omitting this step of the tek. any advice?
my tub is in a room where it is on a 12/12 ambient light cycle (the room gets nice and bright) and has constant fresh air coming through a slightly open window. the room keeps my tubs maintaining an internal temp of 70-75 F, and they maintain a humidity of 90-95%
very appreciative of all your responses, thank you again
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thank you
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ALTERED.STATES
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When you get to step 11 I take it you can remove what you mixed well and scoop out into several smaller Tupperware containers and place the left over coir on the top of each one?
Would it then follow that you could place foil over the top of each container and wait the 10 days before placing each container into a fruiting chamber like a shotgun FC?
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deucedbi9
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ALTERED.STATES said:
When you get to step 11 I take it you can remove what you mixed well and scoop out into several smaller Tupperware containers and place the left over coir on the top of each one?
Would it then follow that you could place foil over the top of each container and wait the 10 days before placing each container into a fruiting chamber like a shotgun FC?
You can put the hydrated coir into whatever number/size of clean containers you have at hand. I'd use cling film with a couple of small holes covered with micro-pore tape myself. Allows you to see the progress with the least disturbance.
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Edited by deucedbi9 (04/29/12 08:06 AM)
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ALTERED.STATES
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Might do that too, or just use the aerated Tupperware lids. I like my Tupperware grows and might try coir with my rye grains. What about placing them into a shotgun FC for fruiting? I think its all good to go.
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deucedbi9
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Might do that too, or just use the aerated Tupperware lids. I like my Tupperware grows and might try coir with my rye grains. What about placing them into a shotgun FC for fruiting? I think its all good to go.
Yes, just put a few holes in them>
Fruiting chamber I used a few years back>
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awesome sauce!
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Okay I take it Step 5 is to destory the Trichoderma in the Coco brick? I know lots of bricks advertise that they contain Trichoderma. Also instead of using the brick can you just buy a bag of Coconut substrate and do the same thing?
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TranscendingLife
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your brick of coir shouldn't have trich added.
Get it from your local pet store, it won't have trich added.
I've never used the uncompressed coir, so IDK.
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