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dmt or dimethyltryptamine, can be dissolved, shot up, ground up, snorted or taken in tablet form, he said.

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helmsdeep48 said:
do these anti-drug assholes realize DMT is in every one of our bodies?

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Actually the DMT in our brain is an incomplete molecule not the same as the DMT we smoke 5-meo or n-n

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Egodeathflux, my experience with ayahuasca originally had me believing all sorts of benefits.  I was certain that it was healing, it felt like 20 years of therapy in a few hours, it was empathetic as well as empowering.  I'd think in metaphors and my trips would be beautiful poetry.  The spiritual aspect of the trips certainly had me thinking about the soul, eternity, and even my own divinity.  It touched me in all the right places and hit all the right buttons.  I was a believer.  Intensely.  I tripped for two years on ayahuasca every Saturday, over 100 trips.  I was convinced I was growing as a person, that I was happier, more creative, more kind, and deeper thinking.

I was addicted.  I was bullshitting myself, I was becoming a creepy fuck with quasi-philosophical nonsense and skirting the edges of schizoid thought.  Ayahuasca was a head game, the perfect fucking drug that turned me into a clown.  There was no truth in those trips, no deep introspection.  Just cliche and trite aphorisms along with some half-assed solipsistic spirituality.  They were giant narcissistic orgies celebrating and inflating and worshiping me.  Damn, it was fun.

Now my detractors would say I abused the drug and therein was the problem.  Bullshit.  If I tripped once a month instead of once a week, I'd have delayed and extended the time with my head in the clouds.  I simply expedited my psychedelic side journey by tripping so much and am much healthier today because of it.

I believe integration is rationalization to continue taking drugs.  I believe these drugs have limited benefit for others and zero benefit for most.  Many psychonauts are trapped in a sad maze.  I've also been accused of projecting my experiences onto others, but that doesn't bother me.

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Dude every saturday? The hells wrong with you? Your drinking it for the insight, not the pretty colours and euphoria. Try once a year, tops. Of course the experience is gonna dull to nothing when you do it over a hudnred times in what, less then five years?

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Dude every saturday? The hells wrong with you? Your drinking it for the insight, not the pretty colours and euphoria. Try once a year, tops. Of course the experience is gonna dull to nothing when you do it over a hudnred times in what, less then five years?

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Dude every saturday? The hells wrong with you? Your drinking it for the insight, not the pretty colours and euphoria. Try once a year, tops. Of course the experience is gonna dull to nothing when you do it over a hudnred times in what, less then five years?

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That's the thing.  It never got boring or dull, each trip was better than the last, each trip had me feeling profound insight and deeper truths than before.  They built upon each other like a story book.  Nothing felt healthier, nothing felt negative, it was all fucking love.  It's hard to see yourself changing negatively though, especially when you're devouring psychedelic literature and lectures as well as the cheer-leading psychedelic drug forums that reinforce and encourage the drug use.  There was nothing to hold me back from those trips.  Eventually I started to question exactly what benefits the drug actually had for me and then the wall started crumbling.  Interesting period in my life.  I trip less than once a month nowadays and its pure masturbation, nothing else.

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See I personally believe that DMT (dimethyltriptamine) shouldn't be considered a "drug" simply for the fact that it's found in each and every one of us.  DMT should be considered an organic substance since it truly is.  All of this bullcrap about some kid getting sent to the e.r. is just that... bullcrap.  DMT is known as the spirit molecule and I can't comprehend how an organic substance that exists in our very brains could cause some sort of trauma.  From personal experience, this substance is indeed spiritual and is much stronger than any mushroom that I've come across.  Nevertheless, DMT is harmless unless over-ingested to a large amount... a VERY large amount.

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Egodeathflux, my experience with ayahuasca originally had me believing all sorts of benefits.  I was certain that it was healing, it felt like 20 years of therapy in a few hours, it was empathetic as well as empowering.  I'd think in metaphors and my trips would be beautiful poetry.  The spiritual aspect of the trips certainly had me thinking about the soul, eternity, and even my own divinity.  It touched me in all the right places and hit all the right buttons.  I was a believer.  Intensely.  I tripped for two years on ayahuasca every Saturday, over 100 trips.  I was convinced I was growing as a person, that I was happier, more creative, more kind, and deeper thinking.

I was addicted.  I was bullshitting myself, I was becoming a creepy fuck with quasi-philosophical nonsense and skirting the edges of schizoid thought.  Ayahuasca was a head game, the perfect fucking drug that turned me into a clown.  There was no truth in those trips, no deep introspection.  Just cliche and trite aphorisms along with some half-assed solipsistic spirituality.  They were giant narcissistic orgies celebrating and inflating and worshiping me.  Damn, it was fun.

Now my detractors would say I abused the drug and therein was the problem.  Bullshit.  If I tripped once a month instead of once a week, I'd have delayed and extended the time with my head in the clouds.  I simply expedited my psychedelic side journey by tripping so much and am much healthier today because of it.

I believe integration is rationalization to continue taking drugs.  I believe these drugs have limited benefit for others and zero benefit for most.  Many psychonauts are trapped in a sad maze.  I've also been accused of projecting my experiences onto others, but that doesn't bother me.

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Egodeathflux, my experience with ayahuasca originally had me believing all sorts of benefits.  I was certain that it was healing, it felt like 20 years of therapy in a few hours, it was empathetic as well as empowering.  I'd think in metaphors and my trips would be beautiful poetry.  The spiritual aspect of the trips certainly had me thinking about the soul, eternity, and even my own divinity.  It touched me in all the right places and hit all the right buttons.  I was a believer.  Intensely.  I tripped for two years on ayahuasca every Saturday, over 100 trips.  I was convinced I was growing as a person, that I was happier, more creative, more kind, and deeper thinking.

I was addicted.  I was bullshitting myself, I was becoming a creepy fuck with quasi-philosophical nonsense and skirting the edges of schizoid thought.  Ayahuasca was a head game, the perfect fucking drug that turned me into a clown.  There was no truth in those trips, no deep introspection.  Just cliche and trite aphorisms along with some half-assed solipsistic spirituality.  They were giant narcissistic orgies celebrating and inflating and worshiping me.  Damn, it was fun.

Now my detractors would say I abused the drug and therein was the problem.  Bullshit.  If I tripped once a month instead of once a week, I'd have delayed and extended the time with my head in the clouds.  I simply expedited my psychedelic side journey by tripping so much and am much healthier today because of it.

I believe integration is rationalization to continue taking drugs.  I believe these drugs have limited benefit for others and zero benefit for most.  Many psychonauts are trapped in a sad maze.  I've also been accused of projecting my experiences onto others, but that doesn't bother me.

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I don't know if I believe your conclusions, but I've definitely suspected them.  Glad to hear some psychedelic blasphemy.


On another note, it seems like every 20-something hipster I meet has heard of ayahuasca and wants to do it.  It's the "cool" thing to do these days.

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Okay I fully respect your opinion and your argument (your argument somewhat to a degree). Although I must negate your statement saying that it has no potential. You have to realize that the frequency and repetition of your trips isn't healthy or beneficial to your mind in the first place. You literately took advantage of the drugs psychedelic properties for what? So you can supposedly delve deeper within? If you even understand the power ayahuascha contains then you wouldn't trip so often. You shouldn't even wait less then a week let alone every week to start tripping again. You should wait at least a little over a year or maybe more until you feel that you have integrated fully the experience and feel that it is necessary again to delve back in. Don't go telling us that the detractors of your statement are wrong because not even Hunter Thompson, Terrance McKenna, Rick Straussman, or any other psychedelic fanatic would take upon your claim that you stumbled upon something that has little or no benefits. Ayahuascha does have benefits and just because you overdid it doesn't give you any right to downplay its potential. I am not endorsing it as a panacea or for everyone to use it. I am just saying you did too much of it way too soon and you should understand that it has potential other than being abused by you "every Saturday".

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Egodeathflux, my experience with ayahuasca originally had me believing all sorts of benefits.  I was certain that it was healing, it felt like 20 years of therapy in a few hours, it was empathetic as well as empowering.  I'd think in metaphors and my trips would be beautiful poetry.  The spiritual aspect of the trips certainly had me thinking about the soul, eternity, and even my own divinity.  It touched me in all the right places and hit all the right buttons.  I was a believer.  Intensely.  I tripped for two years on ayahuasca every Saturday, over 100 trips.  I was convinced I was growing as a person, that I was happier, more creative, more kind, and deeper thinking.

I was addicted.  I was bullshitting myself, I was becoming a creepy fuck with quasi-philosophical nonsense and skirting the edges of schizoid thought.  Ayahuasca was a head game, the perfect fucking drug that turned me into a clown.  There was no truth in those trips, no deep introspection.  Just cliche and trite aphorisms along with some half-assed solipsistic spirituality.  They were giant narcissistic orgies celebrating and inflating and worshiping me.  Damn, it was fun.

Now my detractors would say I abused the drug and therein was the problem.  Bullshit.  If I tripped once a month instead of once a week, I'd have delayed and extended the time with my head in the clouds.  I simply expedited my psychedelic side journey by tripping so much and am much healthier today because of it.

I believe integration is rationalization to continue taking drugs.  I believe these drugs have limited benefit for others and zero benefit for most.  Many psychonauts are trapped in a sad maze.  I've also been accused of projecting my experiences onto others, but that doesn't bother me.

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I don't know if I believe your conclusions, but I've definitely suspected them.  Glad to hear some psychedelic blasphemy.


On another note, it seems like every 20-something hipster I meet has heard of ayahuasca and wants to do it.  It's the "cool" thing to do these days.

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Okay I fully respect your opinion and your argument (your argument somewhat to a degree). Although I must negate your statement saying that it has no potential. You have to realize that the frequency and repetition of your trips isn't healthy or beneficial to your mind in the first place. You literately took advantage of the drugs psychedelic properties for what? So you can supposedly delve deeper within? If you even understand the power ayahuascha contains then you wouldn't trip so often. You shouldn't even wait less then a week let alone every week to start tripping again. You should wait at least a little over a year or maybe more until you feel that you have integrated fully the experience and feel that it is necessary again to delve back in. Don't go telling us that the detractors of your statement are wrong because not even Hunter Thompson, Terrance McKenna, Rick Straussman, or any other psychedelic fanatic would take upon your claim that you stumbled upon something that has little or no benefits. Ayahuascha does have benefits and just because you overdid it doesn't give you any right to downplay its potential. I am not endorsing it as a panacea or for everyone to use it. I am just saying you did too much of it way too soon and you should understand that it has potential other than being abused by you "every Saturday".

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The way I see it, the worry is that any revelations learned while on psychedelics will, at best, be unreliable justifications for true belief and, at worst, actually be false or otherwise invalid beliefs.  Extending this train of thought, the worry is also that this applies to any changes in personality or decisions made on the basis of psychedelic revelation - that these changes or actions are also, in a sense, insincere, misinformed, or in some sort of abstract sense "wrong."

This worry persists even in the face of what are clearly unqualifiedly beneficial changes in one's life.  It's basically the same worry that you could have about a traumatized friend who found that religion was the panacea that allowed them to deal with their issues and live a fulfilling life.  Yes, Mandy's been happier now that she's found Jesus, but isn't there always the worry that compromise is in some way foreign and, honestly, stifling?

I don't know and, like I said, I suspect that the fact that this worry is so vague as to be almost ineffable means it is not valid, or at least that it undermines itself.  But it is a gnawing worry.

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Look my intentions aren't pretentious to say the least. All I am saying is that they do have benefits and that it has been proven. Maybe not necessarily with ayahuasca but with DMT especially. I don't think psychedelics bring about the full answer or solution to problems but I believe they shed light and show a path for the user where to go. They indeed aren't a panacea and I don't endorse or treat them like one but it is the way I see it. I don't want to force anyone through undertones about my view or stance but I'm just arguing that they do have benefits. Anyways sonamdrukpa respect your opinion and thumbs up to the Hunter S. Thompson quote their.

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