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 Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case  [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#16145530 - 04/27/12 03:30 AM (1 year, 27 days ago) |
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i can definately see how someone would get eratic and irrational during the come down phase. come down probably isn't the right word, but once you come back from the main part of the trip, open your eyes and are still high. i dont know if i could do anything like this during the peak of the experience though.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#16145633 - 04/27/12 04:19 AM (1 year, 27 days ago) |
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DMT is like any other psychedelic. At high doses it can make you psychotic, irrational, and totally on a crazy autopilot. I had an aya trip where everything went haywire and the only logical solution was to start smashing shit in my house. It made total fucking sense at the time and my actions seemed the right thing to do. This stuff always has unpredictable and uncontrollable potential.
i feel that's really difficult with smoked DMT. perhaps some people just can't handle their shit... but with smoked DMT the rush is so fast theres little time for thinking. if i was to get to the point of being delusional i'm usually too out of it to coordinate any actions. and for those who do respond like that to psychedelics... quit doing them.
but really the part that undermines this whole story is the fact that there was no proof of DMT. it was just an assumption
fo realz
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#16145905 - 04/27/12 08:06 AM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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For all you idiots saying that a DMT trip cannot last more than 15 minutes- try oral ingestion sometime. Also try doing research before spewing bullshit.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Leon Ferrum]
#16146073 - 04/27/12 10:01 AM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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Leon Ferrum said:
For all you idiots saying that a DMT trip cannot last more than 15 minutes- try oral ingestion sometime. Also try doing research before spewing bullshit.
yes because drinking ayahuasca is called DOING DMT MAAAANNNNNN 
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Leon Ferrum]
#16146298 - 04/27/12 11:40 AM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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Leon Ferrum said:
For all you idiots saying that a DMT trip cannot last more than 15 minutes- try oral ingestion sometime. Also try doing research before spewing bullshit.
two totally different drugs dude. DMT with an MAOI (imo) is more distant from freebase DMT than LSD is from shrooms. i just honestly can't compare them. it's a lot more maneuverable and slow moving. DMT freebase hits hard and fast and once it's there you're not doing anything until it's gone. if you're murdering people on smoked DMT then find a better smoking technique because you're not doing enough. perhaps you could find the will to do it while you're coming down, but then you have issues to begin with and the drug shouldn't be blamed.
and you do some research. you're continually telling me that death is a known side effect of DMT with no evidence to back it up. yes anything can kill you in total excess but you would have to go well out of your way to kill yourself on DMT. people have died from water poisoning too. the chart you supplied proved this. 110mg/kg. i hope you know how absurd of a dose that is. that's 72 times higher than a LARGE dose for someone my weight.
fact remains that no one ever proved there was DMT in this kids system and until they do this argument is pointless. it's probably the last drug on the planet to be responsible for this. you'd have an easier time becoming violent on weed.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#16146676 - 04/27/12 01:47 PM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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i guess it is kinda of naive to act like powerful psychedelic drugs are totally harmless. like anything in life, they can be used or abused.
i think it really comes down to set, setting and one's intention when using ANY substance. back when i first got into psychedelics i was very irresponsible...for example, the first time I did LSD, I just "rushed" into it because an acquaintance of mine had some and was tripping that night. I ended up tripping with him AND his girlfriend that night (who i was actually REALLY attracted to) at their house.
The trip was a SERIOUS nightmare for everyone involved. It ended up morphing into this fucked up love-trip where I started having serious romantic feelings for his girlfriend while all of us were in his bedroom. I'm pretty sure the dude I was tripping with wanted to bone the shit out of her and I started to feed off of that because I was really attracted to her as well. It's hard to explain, but it was seriously a difficult trip, just FULL of ego-games and people fucking with each other's heads and whatnot.
I DID learn from that difficult experience though...now when I do psychedelics I only trip around people I know very well (who want a genuine experience), or I just do it alone at my house. With proper preparation, I've never had a trip like that first one, which was a true nightmare.
I guess that's another reason why these drugs SHOULD be legal. The fact that they're illegal makes people irresponsible when using them. People will go out of their way and take drugs in bad settings just because it might be "their only chance" to do it. That was the case with my bad lsd trip...I just did it in a weird setting cuz' I never thought I'd be able to find the stuff ever again.
I really think if we EDUCATED people on what these drugs do, and the PROPER setting for taking them, there would be NO issue whatsoever in them being legal. But since they're illegal, people just "do them" in bad settings, leading to bad trips, and borderline psychotic experiences.
That was a long rant, but i feel it was somewhat relevant to the DMT story where the dude went nuts...lol.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: k00laid]
#16147589 - 04/27/12 05:41 PM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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k00laid said:
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Leon Ferrum said:
For all you idiots saying that a DMT trip cannot last more than 15 minutes- try oral ingestion sometime. Also try doing research before spewing bullshit.
yes because drinking ayahuasca is called DOING DMT MAAAANNNNNN
It depends on what you mean by ayahuasca.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Leon Ferrum]
#16148354 - 04/27/12 08:27 PM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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ayahuasca is a dmt brew that is orally active due to the MAO inhibitors present in the brew.
freebasing nn-dmt is not ayahuasca
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: k00laid]
#16148917 - 04/27/12 11:01 PM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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ayahuasca is a dmt brew that is orally active due to the MAO inhibitors present in the brew.
freebasing nn-dmt is not ayahuasca
So you are saying that taking DMT with an MAOI is not taking DMT? You would not consider taking DMT with an MAOI to be a DMT trip? I have news for you it is. There are many MAOIs with similar effects.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: k00laid]
#16149318 - 04/28/12 12:49 AM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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freebasing nn-dmt is not ayahuasca
freebasing dmt is freebasing dmt
and drinking ayahuasca is drinking ayahuasca
i dont really see where you got confused.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: k00laid]
#16149439 - 04/28/12 01:19 AM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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k00laid said:
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Leon Ferrum said:
For all you idiots saying that a DMT trip cannot last more than 15 minutes- try oral ingestion sometime. Also try doing research before spewing bullshit.
yes because drinking ayahuasca is called DOING DMT MAAAANNNNNN
Yes, drinking ayahuasca is a way of doing DMT. Learn to speak English.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Leon Ferrum]
#16149508 - 04/28/12 01:42 AM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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words :[
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: k00laid]
#16149535 - 04/28/12 01:53 AM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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Leon Ferrum said:
For all you idiots saying that a DMT trip cannot last more than 15 minutes- try oral ingestion sometime. Also try doing research before spewing bullshit.
yes because drinking ayahuasca is called DOING DMT MAAAANNNNNN
Koolaid, he said oral ingestion bro. You said ayahuasca. And yes, orally ingesting DMT is "doing DMT". And to be real, ayahuasca is doing DMT too. Taking an MAOI isn't what's causing the trip. It's the DMT your doing that does. Yeah, B. Caapi does have some effects of its own, but its primary job is to make the DMT orally active. Simply another means of "doing" DMT. Of course this fool wasn't on DMT when he ended this broad, but a DMT trip can certainly last well beyond 15 or 30 minutes.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Shpongle1]
#16153173 - 04/28/12 11:38 PM (1 year, 25 days ago) |
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Some people consider any DMT and MAOI combo to be "ayahuasca". There are many traditionally used species that contain DMT http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ayahuasca/ayahuasca_terminology.shtml
as well as many others.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Leon Ferrum]
#16159244 - 04/30/12 10:27 AM (1 year, 23 days ago) |
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Leon Ferrum said:
Some people consider any DMT and MAOI combo to be "ayahuasca". There are many traditionally used species that contain DMT http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ayahuasca/ayahuasca_terminology.shtml
as well as many others.
arguably a preparation would have the ayahuasca vine in order for it to be called such. anything else is simply oral DMT/MAOI combo which doesn't sound as cool I guess.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: ShroomDoom]
#16159675 - 04/30/12 12:35 PM (1 year, 23 days ago) |
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Some people consider any DMT and MAOI combo to be "ayahuasca". There are many traditionally used species that contain DMT http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ayahuasca/ayahuasca_terminology.shtml
as well as many others.
arguably a preparation would have the ayahuasca vine in order for it to be called such. anything else is simply oral DMT/MAOI combo which doesn't sound as cool I guess.
There is no such thing as a vine called "ayahuasca". It is pathetic that the writer of this article knows more about DMT than most of the posters in this thread.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Leon Ferrum]
#16159698 - 04/30/12 12:41 PM (1 year, 23 days ago) |
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Leon Ferrum said:
Some people consider any DMT and MAOI combo to be "ayahuasca". There are many traditionally used species that contain DMT http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ayahuasca/ayahuasca_terminology.shtml
as well as many others.
arguably a preparation would have the ayahuasca vine in order for it to be called such. anything else is simply oral DMT/MAOI combo which doesn't sound as cool I guess.
There is no such thing as a vine called "ayahuasca". It is pathetic that the writer of this article knows more about DMT than most of the posters in this thread.
traditionally
b. caapi and or b. muricata in brewed form are commonly referred to as ayahuasca by some people in the regions where it grows. It's a Quechua term meaning spirit's vine or vine of souls. Arguably any brew or preparation without one of these lianas is not true ayahuasca. whats so hard about that to understand?
if you check your erowid link, you will see B. caapi listed with it's common name as Ayahuasca. according to your own source there is indeed a vine called ayahuasca.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: ShroomDoom]
#16159934 - 04/30/12 01:39 PM (1 year, 23 days ago) |
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Leon Ferrum said:
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ShroomDoom said:
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Leon Ferrum said:
Some people consider any DMT and MAOI combo to be "ayahuasca". There are many traditionally used species that contain DMT http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ayahuasca/ayahuasca_terminology.shtml
as well as many others.
arguably a preparation would have the ayahuasca vine in order for it to be called such. anything else is simply oral DMT/MAOI combo which doesn't sound as cool I guess.
There is no such thing as a vine called "ayahuasca". It is pathetic that the writer of this article knows more about DMT than most of the posters in this thread.
traditionally
b. caapi and or b. muricata in brewed form are commonly referred to as ayahuasca by some people in the regions where it grows. It's a Quechua term meaning spirit's vine or vine of souls. Arguably any brew or preparation without one of these lianas is not true ayahuasca. whats so hard about that to understand?
if you check your erowid link, you will see B. caapi listed with it's common name as Ayahuasca. according to your own source there is indeed a vine called ayahuasca.
Look at the column on the far right "Form" and you will see that ayahuasca can be made from many different plants, many of which are not lianas at all. Erowid also states on the main ayahuasca page that the term can refer to any DMT MAOI mixture. I was wrong in that there are 3 species of vine that are indeed referred to by some people as ayahuasca.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Leon Ferrum]
#16162589 - 04/30/12 10:27 PM (1 year, 23 days ago) |
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There's always a bigger fish, there's always a dumber fish. Life goes on. 
Imo it's ultimately pointless to say what "ayahuasca" it by trying to narrow it down to 2 or 3 plants. There's hundreds of potential combinations for ayahuasca because of all the admixtures. To some, it's not "ayahuasca" without a bit of coca or tobacco. So I guess there's a couple hundred more ways to say "omg, someone on the internet is wrong!"
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: maug]
#16168951 - 05/02/12 01:49 AM (1 year, 22 days ago) |
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Psychedelic DMT, that's the shit man, way better than regular DMT.
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