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stumpme said:
to quote my laptop desktop

"when you live a lie the truth seems strange"

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...well you are assuming quite a lot about me it seems

Why use the word "god"? It is really only applicable, in the modern sense, when applied to monotheistic religious beliefs; there have been and are others. What makes you think that there is any...accuracy, in using the word?

If all you have to do is claim ignorance to be correct...god sucks

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stumpme said:
Long I was talking about myself I want to believe then I guess, I am the weird guy who wants to believe.

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Belief is not dangerous...only believing that you are correct is dangerous

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Icelander said:
What if nothing made it?

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Yus!!

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stumpme said:
Have you ever read his (Plato) theory on the forms?

are you talking about the 5 platonic solids if so yes its very interesting I have pictures of them hanging in my room along with Alex Grey artwork I printed off that is...haha That way I dont need to turn on the PC to be inspired by the beautiful truth!


Yea I got a friend that always says that too haha..
never heard the story of Oracle of Delphi you should make a post about it I like when info comes to me

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nahh check this, not bad info

Forms baby

Plato would have said it something like this I think (I did Latin/Ancient Greek dbl language major for my undergrad, so I have read a lot of Plato in Ancient Greek ). It is good to give respect to the gods, but the idea of any "god" mixing in the affairs of mortals is highly improbable. God to him was something "bigger" than our conception; especially idolatry of gods (from the world he lived in, meaning statuary depicting god's in human form or likeness).

The realm of the forms can be at least shown, in a cursory way, with a simple example. What it is is the "godly" realm. So, take one of our concepts, such as "justice"; what is justice? In the human world, there is no one definition of justice. Different cultures have different ideas, peoples, nations, ect ect; there is too much variation. In the realm of the forms, though, the "godly" realm, justice is one thing, no variation at all. its constant. Our souls can exist in this realm, but not our human forms. To catch a "glimpse" of this world, you must travel outside of yourself, meaning outside your body.

That is where the Elusian mystery cult becomes fascinating. In Plato's dialogue, The Meno, he has a really interesting interjection about the cult, and the significance of their ceremonies. In the dialogue, Socrates is trying to prove to (insert well off Greek's name here) that knowledge is not "learned" by humans, but "recalled" from the realm of the forms. Your soul "knows" everything, but as a human, you have to relearn them. So he goes up to a slave boy and presents him with a math problem; the boy gets it wrong. Then, to prove his little theory, he uses a stick in the dirt to write out equations, attempting to get the slave to understand what he is doing. Having done that, when he shows him a different yet similar math problem, the boy gets it right. As he is expounding upon the meaning of this to Greek whose name I can't remember, he brings up the cult. He says that the "initiates" (aka those who have gone through the secretive "ceremony", which I believe involved psychedelics) are better prepared for entrance to the afterlife, because they have real-life "experience" in travel outside of themselves and "touching base" with the "godly" world.

Interesting stuff

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stumpme said:


yo check it out

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Icelander said:
You make more posts to yourself than anyone I've seen here in seven years.

Believe in whatever floats yer boat dude.

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