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http://wreg.com/2012/04/24/powerful-dangerous-drug-maybe-linked-to-murder-case/
(Memphis) A friend of a man accused of stabbing his mother to death reports the alleged stabber, may have been on a hallucinogenic, called, ‘Psychedelic DMT’.
Twenty-two year-old William Walsh remains in jail, charged with stabbing his mother to death at their home over the weekend. DMT is a very expensive illegal drug, hard to find on the streets.
“You shouldnt take anything you wont be able to control,” said Brian Chambers with the Memphis Division of the US Drug Enforcement Agency.
According to Chambers, Psychedelic DMT is such a powerful drug, it drives people under the influence to do things they wouldn’t normally do.
“They start hearing things, they get paranoid, they start seeing things that aren’t there.” expressed Chambers.
Powerful, vivid hallucinations aren’t the only side effects.
The crystal that’s crushed and then, snorted, smoked or shot up, can cause users to become short of breath, pass out, even die.
Right now, the Memphis DEA is not seeing much of it in the area, but Chambers says it’s mostly used by college students, ordering it from shady internet sites.
“The high lasts about 30 to 45 minutes they call it the businessman drug because of how short the high lasts,” said Chambers.
The high may not last long, but the impacts of it do.
Chambers suggests if you know someone using the drug, to get help and call law enforcement right away, ”They can come and defuse the situation, especially a hallucinogen because they’re very paranoid, very nervous and agitated.”
Chambers tells News Channel 3, the DEA is boosting efforts to crack down on internet sites selling DMT and other drugs.
Memphis Police have not confirmed if Psychedelic DMT was in Walsh’s system.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: joemolloy]
#16138315 - 04/25/12 05:00 PM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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Watch the video. At the end the reporter says the DEA is stepping up efforts to shut the DMT sites down.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: joemolloy]
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#16138414 - 04/25/12 05:29 PM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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The crystal that’s crushed and then, snorted, smoked or shot up, can cause users to become short of breath, pass out, even die.
I can see how inhaling something would make you short of breath. I can imagine someone passing out. I am unaware of any deaths from, say, an overdose or toxicity.
Would anyone care to clarify?
Adverse reaction to MAOI synergism?
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: durian_2008]
#16138431 - 04/25/12 05:33 PM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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Does it really make people paranoid?
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: durian_2008]
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: durian_2008]
#16138468 - 04/25/12 05:41 PM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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No one could possibly go unconscious from DMT usage, though you might look like you passed out.
Extreme fear and anxiety are possible, but paranoia requires you to worried about something other than what you are currently experiencing. Maybe on an oral dose you could end up with some paranoia.
It's possible to have cardiac problems from DMT in the same way a very frightening movie could cause cardiac problems, and I suppose it could have caused a death or two that way (though I doubt it). But no, no one has ever OD'ed on DMT.
I am also unaware of any deaths from MAOI's, though it's possible to cause damage to your vascular system. Most MAOI's used in ayahuasca preparations are reversible, which significantly lowers the chances of bad effects. It took four decades of prescribing non-reversible MAOI anti-depressant medication for science to even catch on that MAOI's could be dangerous.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#16138523 - 04/25/12 05:55 PM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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Dude, these bastard journalists are really getting ridiculous about DMT propaganda lately.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#16138539 - 04/25/12 05:58 PM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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Journalism at its finest.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: RoastedPete]
#16138605 - 04/25/12 06:16 PM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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Wait you really can snort DMT? 
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: mushiefeet]
#16138661 - 04/25/12 06:28 PM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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that man must have really had a good murder plan to be able to carry it out in five minutes while not being able to stand up.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#16138718 - 04/25/12 06:40 PM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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perhaps some of you guys would like to assist me in contacting the website and having this stupid article removed? not sure if it's possible, but i can't assume it looks good if they get a number of replies calling out their news as utter bs
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#16138736 - 04/25/12 06:45 PM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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Sounds like BS!
Are we talking about one of the new designer drugs here? When I here DMT I think of ayahuasca. Anybody able to clarify this?
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Remedy]
#16138762 - 04/25/12 06:53 PM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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The only thing that is B.S. about this article is that it is just speculation, which it clearly states at both the beginning and at the end. Of course DMT can kill you, must drugs have a lethal dose. Anything that can kill you can probably make you pass out as well. The only parts that are not accurate are the part in which they called hallucinations a "side effect".
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Leon Ferrum]
#16138797 - 04/25/12 07:03 PM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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It does have most of those effects, besides death, which is an outright law enforcement LIE.
But what bothers me about this article is that it leaves you pretty immobile. I.E.....YOU CANT FUCKN WALK!!!
something's fishy.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: joemolloy]
#16138865 - 04/25/12 07:26 PM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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The DEA is boosting efforts to crack down on internet sites selling DMT and other drugs.
I can't imagine that any MHRB vendor in their right mind still has an operational website.
The criminal charge will have them facing years in prison and the civil charge will immediately confiscate every red cent even if they beat the criminal charge.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: lowbrow]
#16138874 - 04/25/12 07:28 PM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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It does have most of those effects, besides death, which is an outright law enforcement LIE.
no. http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/health/psychoactives_ld50s.shtml
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Leon Ferrum]
#16138935 - 04/25/12 07:47 PM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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I just emailed the author asking to either change the article to reveal TRUE statements, or take it down all together. To the ignorant reader, based off of that article they would probably equate DMT to PCP. Sad world we live in, ay?
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: dreamcatcher]
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Exactly! They made it sound like a PCP scare....
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: joemolloy] 1
#16138961 - 04/25/12 07:56 PM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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one crazy motherfucker ruins it for everyone else...
this reminds me of bill hicks' gig on drug stories in the news...
"how come you never hear POSITIVE drug stories? (news anchor voice) today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration...that we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively...there's no such thing as death, life is merely a dream in which we are the imagination of ourselves...here's tom with the weather."
most everything in the news is negative though, so what do you expect
Edited by resonant111 (04/25/12 07:58 PM)
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: joemolloy]
#16138987 - 04/25/12 08:04 PM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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The DEA is boosting efforts to crack down on internet sites selling DMT and other drugs.
I can't imagine that any MHRB vendor in their right mind still has an operational website.
The criminal charge will have them facing years in prison and the civil charge will immediately confiscate every red cent even if they beat the criminal charge.
Seriously. It won't be long before mhrb is flat out banned in the usa. Start growing your own plant NOW if this is near and dear to your being.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: floatingwater]
#16139040 - 04/25/12 08:17 PM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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Just watched the video. Turns out the rumors he was on DMT come from the victim's friends, who say he had been using it. Jesus fucking Christ, way to rely on reputable sources.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#16139081 - 04/25/12 08:27 PM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: floatingwater]
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: joemolloy]
#16139174 - 04/25/12 08:49 PM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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The DEA is boosting efforts to crack down on internet sites selling DMT and other drugs.
I can't imagine that any MHRB vendor in their right mind still has an operational website.
The criminal charge will have them facing years in prison and the civil charge will immediately confiscate every red cent even if they beat the criminal charge.
Is Mimosa Hostilis not legal?
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Celestial Traveler]
#16139246 - 04/25/12 09:05 PM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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The kid is probably also going to try to pass his crime off as a result of becoming crazy because of DMT or other drugs. Just like the kid in Tuscon who shot a congress woman and blamed it on salvia... 
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: theenigma]
#16139252 - 04/25/12 09:06 PM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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Oh God, not this again..
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Celestial Traveler]
#16139325 - 04/25/12 09:27 PM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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The DEA is boosting efforts to crack down on internet sites selling DMT and other drugs.
I can't imagine that any MHRB vendor in their right mind still has an operational website.
The criminal charge will have them facing years in prison and the civil charge will immediately confiscate every red cent even if they beat the criminal charge.
Is Mimosa Hostilis not legal?
for now yes it is legal.. but don't think the feds don't all ready know whats up.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: floatingwater]
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The DEA is boosting efforts to crack down on internet sites selling DMT and other drugs.
I can't imagine that any MHRB vendor in their right mind still has an operational website.
The criminal charge will have them facing years in prison and the civil charge will immediately confiscate every red cent even if they beat the criminal charge.
Is Mimosa Hostilis not legal?
for now yes it is legal.. but don't think the feds don't all ready know whats up.
The legal net is closing. No worries there is always Phalaris aquatica.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#16139380 - 04/25/12 09:42 PM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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that man must have really had a good murder plan to be able to carry it out in five minutes while not being able to stand up.
QFT. of course, they can't check the facts to verify this fucking truth. that would be too...dare I say...professional.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Absent Minded]
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Doesn't that shit have gramamine, a brain-destroying chemical in it?
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Celestial Traveler]
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: floatingwater]
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The DEA is boosting efforts to crack down on internet sites selling DMT and other drugs.
I can't imagine that any MHRB vendor in their right mind still has an operational website.
The criminal charge will have them facing years in prison and the civil charge will immediately confiscate every red cent even if they beat the criminal charge.
Seriously. It won't be long before mhrb is flat out banned in the usa. Start growing your own plant NOW if this is near and dear to your being.
Honestly I've kinda been worried about that for some time - the U.S. banning MHRB before I got to buy some online. I've been too broke to buy any for so long.
I know there's probably no way in hell anyone would ever do it...but if someone would mail me just a few MHRB seeds the day I got them in the mail would be the new fucking Christmas for me.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Celestial Traveler]
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But yet alcohol is still legal despite numerous bar fights, murders, beatings etc etc. So fucking stupid fear mongering at its best when they ignore the elephant in the room.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Leon Ferrum] 1
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It does have most of those effects, besides death, which is an outright law enforcement LIE.
no. http://www.erowid.org/psychoactives/health/psychoactives_ld50s.shtml
does 110 mg PER kg sound like a reasonable dose to you? of course anything can kill but saying there's a risk of death is a HUGE overstatement. i don't even use 110mg per 160 pounds.
if my math isn't total shit, that would mean it would take me about 7.92 grams of DMT to kill myself... now sir, how do you propose i go about smoking that much? i can hardly choke down 50 mgs before i can't see the pipe and start burning my fingers
water can kill too in large doses
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Celestial Traveler]
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The DEA is boosting efforts to crack down on internet sites selling DMT and other drugs.
I can't imagine that any MHRB vendor in their right mind still has an operational website.
The criminal charge will have them facing years in prison and the civil charge will immediately confiscate every red cent even if they beat the criminal charge.
Is Mimosa Hostilis not legal?
It's legal in the way that a lot of RC's are legal - legal for possession, but not if there's an intent to consume. Then you open yourself up for drug manufacturing charges.
Also, sometimes the gov't comes and just busts sellers' shit up and don't give anything back when charges are dropped:
http://www2.ljworld.com/news/2010/feb/05/lawrence-man-charged-after-sacred-journey-investig/?breaking
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Parrott]
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Exactly! They made it sound like a PCP scare....
PCP is also inflated and fear-mongered.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Symbols]
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If you go on a witch hunt you're going to find a witch.
I stopped taking offense to people's drug ignorance. It's just too funny xD
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: maug] 1
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If you go on a witch hunt you're going to find a witch.
I stopped taking offense to people's drug ignorance. It's just too funny xD
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Not when you get caught and charged with a felony because of that ignorance...
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Celestial Traveler]
#16140825 - 04/26/12 03:56 AM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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If you go on a witch hunt you're going to find a witch.
I stopped taking offense to people's drug ignorance. It's just too funny xD
http://newscrucible.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/comic-reporters.jpg
Not when you get caught and charged with a felony because of that ignorance...
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: maug]
#16140835 - 04/26/12 04:04 AM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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If you go on a witch hunt you're going to find a witch.
I stopped taking offense to people's drug ignorance. It's just too funny xD
http://newscrucible.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/comic-reporters.jpg
Not when you get caught and charged with a felony because of that ignorance...
Yeah, naturally the fairytale comes to an end when that happens. But until then...
And after...
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Celestial Traveler] 1
#16140908 - 04/26/12 04:51 AM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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**random reply to thread**
god damn journalists. if they're going to report on something, it should be a requirement that they atleast know what they are talking about first.
'smoked, snorted or shot' 'shortness of breathe or even die'
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Dosile Kouki] 3
#16141118 - 04/26/12 07:12 AM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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Journalists have long-since given up their oath to tell the public the truth since they've discovered that sensationalism sells more paper or (in this day and age) gets more hits on your blog. This happens to be an extreme example, but this kind of thing happens EVERY day in every type of news media. Print, radio, TV...you name it.
A journalist who knowingly publishes a false statement of ANY kind ought to be liable for that statement unless promptly retracted in an equally public way as the original false statement, upon notification that the statement is incorrect.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Dosile Kouki]
#16141310 - 04/26/12 08:42 AM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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'smoked, snorted or shot' 'shortness of breathe or even die'
I'm pretty sure insufflation works with dmt, there's someone on the shroomery (or his friend) who snorted some while drunk as shit and he had a pretty bad time. That was a few months ago.
I've seen other reports of insufflation too IIRC.
But still, that article is a pile of horse shit.
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By lsd i assume you mean acid. acid is put onto blotter paper in the form of liquid because the paper absorbs it. The ink is already on the paper before the acid goes on, when they form together it is now known as "lsd"
I have not seen acid-blotter paper with cartoon characters on it since the 90s. I would advice you to rip or cut a 1 inch square length and width and try it out.. dont be scared.
When you eat the paper everything dissolves in your mouth. including the ink, lsd and even the paper itself. If nothing dissolves, it is not lsd.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: WingedWatcher]
#16141385 - 04/26/12 09:21 AM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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'smoked, snorted or shot' 'shortness of breathe or even die'
I'm pretty sure insufflation works with dmt, there's someone on the shroomery (or his friend) who snorted some while drunk as shit and he had a pretty bad time. That was a few months ago.
I've seen other reports of insufflation too IIRC.
But still, that article is a pile of horse shit.
I cant believe you people think you know about DMT but didn't know you can snort it. Snorting it is probably the most common way it is ingested worldwide.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Leon Ferrum]
#16141488 - 04/26/12 10:08 AM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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what??? haha snorting is possible but i wouldn't go as far as saying the most common way of ingesting DMT. maybe second to smoking. and IV is possible but no one would do that with street DMT
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: joemolloy]
#16141867 - 04/26/12 12:21 PM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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I don't understand the arbitrary employment of punctuation in this article. Is this common in Tennessee publications? It's the commas I have a problem with, mostly.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#16142027 - 04/26/12 01:13 PM (1 year, 27 days ago) |
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what??? haha snorting is possible but i wouldn't go as far as saying the most common way of ingesting DMT. maybe second to smoking. and IV is possible but no one would do that with street DMT
In the Amazon it is processed into snuff. I guess I cannot say that most of the DMT in the world is used by the native people in traditional ways. Who knows how much those guys actually do it.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: monkeyheaven]
#16142327 - 04/26/12 02:30 PM (1 year, 27 days ago) |
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I don't understand the arbitrary employment of punctuation in this article. Is this common in Tennessee publications? It's the commas I have a problem with, mostly.
didn't even realize this was Tennessee... Tennessee's a piece of shit. the legislation they're coming out with recently and the campaigns they're running are beyond absurd. i messaged the senator and he was a total asshole.
funny thing was he ended with "our war on drugs is working thank you." funny cause i was just up in tennessee on drugs... everyone was 
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Leon Ferrum]
#16142412 - 04/26/12 02:53 PM (1 year, 27 days ago) |
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what??? haha snorting is possible but i wouldn't go as far as saying the most common way of ingesting DMT. maybe second to smoking. and IV is possible but no one would do that with street DMT
In the Amazon it is processed into snuff. I guess I cannot say that most of the DMT in the world is used by the native people in traditional ways. Who knows how much those guys actually do it.
I'd be willing to bet quite a lot that snorting DMT is by no means the most frequently used method of ingestion. Seems there are only a few tribes that do this "yopo" style of DMT. The population of "civilized" nations compared to a few remote tribes is overwhelmingly huge by comparison, and almost all of the people in countries like mine are smoking it, or rarely drinking it. "Yopo" is painful as fuck from what I've heard so most people willing to try it once are probably unlikely to go back for round 2.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Shpongle1] 1
#16142876 - 04/26/12 05:03 PM (1 year, 27 days ago) |
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just called them and emailed them this
There are several inaccuracies in your article "Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case" first off no one could murder there mother while under influence of DMT. you cant even stand up, in fact you cannot really move voluntarily at all. which brings my to my next point you dont really pass out from DMT you go into a 'trip' of sorts which only lasts 7 to 15 mins NOT 30 to 45 as stated in your article. It is chemically impossible to snort DMT and gain phycedelic effects. It just dosent work...no one really realistically shoots it up either. This article is merely a piece of Drug scare propaganda written by a person who is extremely poorly educated on the subject. DMT and Ayahuasca have been used for thousands of years across the world as a means of religious sacrament. and your article treats it as if it is crack, meth, or heroin...Let me tell you you will NOT find ONE person who has lost...there job, there family, there money, because of DMT...Not one. So please stop treating all drugs like there exactly like crack or meth. Please rewrite the atricles and reeducate your staff and stop using yellow journalism to sell papers and get viewers. thank you
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: mockingbird]
#16143187 - 04/26/12 06:23 PM (1 year, 27 days ago) |
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just called them and emailed them this
There are several inaccuracies in your article "Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case" first off no one could murder there mother while under influence of DMT. you cant even stand up, in fact you cannot really move voluntarily at all. which brings my to my next point you dont really pass out from DMT you go into a 'trip' of sorts which only lasts 7 to 15 mins NOT 30 to 45 as stated in your article. It is chemically impossible to snort DMT and gain phycedelic effects. It just dosent work...no one really realistically shoots it up either. This article is merely a piece of Drug scare propaganda written by a person who is extremely poorly educated on the subject. DMT and Ayahuasca have been used for thousands of years across the world as a means of religious sacrament. and your article treats it as if it is crack, meth, or heroin...Let me tell you you will NOT find ONE person who has lost...there job, there family, there money, because of DMT...Not one. So please stop treating all drugs like there exactly like crack or meth. Please rewrite the atricles and reeducate your staff and stop using yellow journalism to sell papers and get viewers. thank you
mmmm... no.
Should have just said that it doesn't inebriate or impair perception, but stimulates them. I would have mentioned that it was most likely PCP too, because it's cheap and kinda unique with it's onset/duration. A 3-10 minute trip isn't enough time to kill someone. 4-6 hours is tho. And they should clearly check their sources, because I bet the kid knows what he took - or at least could give a better description than saying he could have "smoked, snorted, or injected" a drug.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: maug]
#16143285 - 04/26/12 06:47 PM (1 year, 27 days ago) |
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Lol... DMT immobilizes u and trip so hard u cant think of murder. U r in a complete other dimension. Cannot walk,barely talk much less in a frenzy. Perhaps it was salvia or canniboids(spice) these can rarely cause agression.Sound like typical DEA BS. Oh and alcohol does this too...Too bad its leagal.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Cyrusthegreat]
#16143605 - 04/26/12 07:59 PM (1 year, 27 days ago) |
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DMT is like any other psychedelic. At high doses it can make you psychotic, irrational, and totally on a crazy autopilot. I had an aya trip where everything went haywire and the only logical solution was to start smashing shit in my house. It made total fucking sense at the time and my actions seemed the right thing to do. This stuff always has unpredictable and uncontrollable potential.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: mockingbird]
#16143842 - 04/26/12 08:47 PM (1 year, 27 days ago) |
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first off no one could murder there mother while under influence of DMT. you cant even stand up
That is only true with very high doses. It would definitely be possible to smoke a little and go crazy and kill someone.
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no one really realistically shoots it up either.
Yes they do, in fact that is a popular method of administration.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#16143945 - 04/26/12 09:10 PM (1 year, 27 days ago) |
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Why is Nancy Reagan(Joemolly)is on the the shroomery?
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Cyrusthegreat] 3
#16144089 - 04/26/12 09:36 PM (1 year, 27 days ago) |
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why is Cyrusthegreat(14posts) questioning valued members of the community?
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: mockingbird]
#16144321 - 04/26/12 10:10 PM (1 year, 27 days ago) |
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just called them and emailed them this
There are several inaccuracies in your article "Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case" first off no one could murder there mother while under influence of DMT. you cant even stand up, in fact you cannot really move voluntarily at all. which brings my to my next point you dont really pass out from DMT you go into a 'trip' of sorts which only lasts 7 to 15 mins NOT 30 to 45 as stated in your article. It is chemically impossible to snort DMT and gain phycedelic effects. It just dosent work...no one really realistically shoots it up either. This article is merely a piece of Drug scare propaganda written by a person who is extremely poorly educated on the subject. DMT and Ayahuasca have been used for thousands of years across the world as a means of religious sacrament. and your article treats it as if it is crack, meth, or heroin...Let me tell you you will NOT find ONE person who has lost...there job, there family, there money, because of DMT...Not one. So please stop treating all drugs like there exactly like crack or meth. Please rewrite the atricles and reeducate your staff and stop using yellow journalism to sell papers and get viewers. thank you
That's a really poorly written e-mail. Are you in Tennessee?
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: joemolloy]
#16145512 - 04/27/12 03:25 AM (1 year, 27 days ago) |
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DMT is like any other psychedelic. At high doses it can make you psychotic, irrational, and totally on a crazy autopilot. I had an aya trip where everything went haywire and the only logical solution was to start smashing shit in my house. It made total fucking sense at the time and my actions seemed the right thing to do. This stuff always has unpredictable and uncontrollable potential.
i feel that's really difficult with smoked DMT. perhaps some people just can't handle their shit... but with smoked DMT the rush is so fast theres little time for thinking. if i was to get to the point of being delusional i'm usually too out of it to coordinate any actions. and for those who do respond like that to psychedelics... quit doing them.
but really the part that undermines this whole story is the fact that there was no proof of DMT. it was just an assumption
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#16145530 - 04/27/12 03:30 AM (1 year, 27 days ago) |
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i can definately see how someone would get eratic and irrational during the come down phase. come down probably isn't the right word, but once you come back from the main part of the trip, open your eyes and are still high. i dont know if i could do anything like this during the peak of the experience though.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#16145633 - 04/27/12 04:19 AM (1 year, 27 days ago) |
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DMT is like any other psychedelic. At high doses it can make you psychotic, irrational, and totally on a crazy autopilot. I had an aya trip where everything went haywire and the only logical solution was to start smashing shit in my house. It made total fucking sense at the time and my actions seemed the right thing to do. This stuff always has unpredictable and uncontrollable potential.
i feel that's really difficult with smoked DMT. perhaps some people just can't handle their shit... but with smoked DMT the rush is so fast theres little time for thinking. if i was to get to the point of being delusional i'm usually too out of it to coordinate any actions. and for those who do respond like that to psychedelics... quit doing them.
but really the part that undermines this whole story is the fact that there was no proof of DMT. it was just an assumption
fo realz
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: sonamdrukpa]
#16145905 - 04/27/12 08:06 AM (1 year, 27 days ago) |
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For all you idiots saying that a DMT trip cannot last more than 15 minutes- try oral ingestion sometime. Also try doing research before spewing bullshit.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Leon Ferrum]
#16146073 - 04/27/12 10:01 AM (1 year, 27 days ago) |
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For all you idiots saying that a DMT trip cannot last more than 15 minutes- try oral ingestion sometime. Also try doing research before spewing bullshit.
yes because drinking ayahuasca is called DOING DMT MAAAANNNNNN 
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Leon Ferrum]
#16146298 - 04/27/12 11:40 AM (1 year, 27 days ago) |
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For all you idiots saying that a DMT trip cannot last more than 15 minutes- try oral ingestion sometime. Also try doing research before spewing bullshit.
two totally different drugs dude. DMT with an MAOI (imo) is more distant from freebase DMT than LSD is from shrooms. i just honestly can't compare them. it's a lot more maneuverable and slow moving. DMT freebase hits hard and fast and once it's there you're not doing anything until it's gone. if you're murdering people on smoked DMT then find a better smoking technique because you're not doing enough. perhaps you could find the will to do it while you're coming down, but then you have issues to begin with and the drug shouldn't be blamed.
and you do some research. you're continually telling me that death is a known side effect of DMT with no evidence to back it up. yes anything can kill you in total excess but you would have to go well out of your way to kill yourself on DMT. people have died from water poisoning too. the chart you supplied proved this. 110mg/kg. i hope you know how absurd of a dose that is. that's 72 times higher than a LARGE dose for someone my weight.
fact remains that no one ever proved there was DMT in this kids system and until they do this argument is pointless. it's probably the last drug on the planet to be responsible for this. you'd have an easier time becoming violent on weed.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: JacksonMetaller]
#16146676 - 04/27/12 01:47 PM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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i guess it is kinda of naive to act like powerful psychedelic drugs are totally harmless. like anything in life, they can be used or abused.
i think it really comes down to set, setting and one's intention when using ANY substance. back when i first got into psychedelics i was very irresponsible...for example, the first time I did LSD, I just "rushed" into it because an acquaintance of mine had some and was tripping that night. I ended up tripping with him AND his girlfriend that night (who i was actually REALLY attracted to) at their house.
The trip was a SERIOUS nightmare for everyone involved. It ended up morphing into this fucked up love-trip where I started having serious romantic feelings for his girlfriend while all of us were in his bedroom. I'm pretty sure the dude I was tripping with wanted to bone the shit out of her and I started to feed off of that because I was really attracted to her as well. It's hard to explain, but it was seriously a difficult trip, just FULL of ego-games and people fucking with each other's heads and whatnot.
I DID learn from that difficult experience though...now when I do psychedelics I only trip around people I know very well (who want a genuine experience), or I just do it alone at my house. With proper preparation, I've never had a trip like that first one, which was a true nightmare.
I guess that's another reason why these drugs SHOULD be legal. The fact that they're illegal makes people irresponsible when using them. People will go out of their way and take drugs in bad settings just because it might be "their only chance" to do it. That was the case with my bad lsd trip...I just did it in a weird setting cuz' I never thought I'd be able to find the stuff ever again.
I really think if we EDUCATED people on what these drugs do, and the PROPER setting for taking them, there would be NO issue whatsoever in them being legal. But since they're illegal, people just "do them" in bad settings, leading to bad trips, and borderline psychotic experiences.
That was a long rant, but i feel it was somewhat relevant to the DMT story where the dude went nuts...lol.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: k00laid]
#16147589 - 04/27/12 05:41 PM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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For all you idiots saying that a DMT trip cannot last more than 15 minutes- try oral ingestion sometime. Also try doing research before spewing bullshit.
yes because drinking ayahuasca is called DOING DMT MAAAANNNNNN
It depends on what you mean by ayahuasca.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Leon Ferrum]
#16148354 - 04/27/12 08:27 PM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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ayahuasca is a dmt brew that is orally active due to the MAO inhibitors present in the brew.
freebasing nn-dmt is not ayahuasca
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: k00laid]
#16148917 - 04/27/12 11:01 PM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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ayahuasca is a dmt brew that is orally active due to the MAO inhibitors present in the brew.
freebasing nn-dmt is not ayahuasca
So you are saying that taking DMT with an MAOI is not taking DMT? You would not consider taking DMT with an MAOI to be a DMT trip? I have news for you it is. There are many MAOIs with similar effects.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: k00laid]
#16149318 - 04/28/12 12:49 AM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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freebasing nn-dmt is not ayahuasca
freebasing dmt is freebasing dmt
and drinking ayahuasca is drinking ayahuasca
i dont really see where you got confused.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: k00laid]
#16149439 - 04/28/12 01:19 AM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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For all you idiots saying that a DMT trip cannot last more than 15 minutes- try oral ingestion sometime. Also try doing research before spewing bullshit.
yes because drinking ayahuasca is called DOING DMT MAAAANNNNNN
Yes, drinking ayahuasca is a way of doing DMT. Learn to speak English.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Leon Ferrum]
#16149508 - 04/28/12 01:42 AM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: k00laid]
#16149535 - 04/28/12 01:53 AM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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For all you idiots saying that a DMT trip cannot last more than 15 minutes- try oral ingestion sometime. Also try doing research before spewing bullshit.
yes because drinking ayahuasca is called DOING DMT MAAAANNNNNN
Koolaid, he said oral ingestion bro. You said ayahuasca. And yes, orally ingesting DMT is "doing DMT". And to be real, ayahuasca is doing DMT too. Taking an MAOI isn't what's causing the trip. It's the DMT your doing that does. Yeah, B. Caapi does have some effects of its own, but its primary job is to make the DMT orally active. Simply another means of "doing" DMT. Of course this fool wasn't on DMT when he ended this broad, but a DMT trip can certainly last well beyond 15 or 30 minutes.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Shpongle1]
#16153173 - 04/28/12 11:38 PM (1 year, 25 days ago) |
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Some people consider any DMT and MAOI combo to be "ayahuasca". There are many traditionally used species that contain DMT http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ayahuasca/ayahuasca_terminology.shtml
as well as many others.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Leon Ferrum]
#16159244 - 04/30/12 10:27 AM (1 year, 24 days ago) |
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Some people consider any DMT and MAOI combo to be "ayahuasca". There are many traditionally used species that contain DMT http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ayahuasca/ayahuasca_terminology.shtml
as well as many others.
arguably a preparation would have the ayahuasca vine in order for it to be called such. anything else is simply oral DMT/MAOI combo which doesn't sound as cool I guess.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: ShroomDoom]
#16159675 - 04/30/12 12:35 PM (1 year, 24 days ago) |
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Some people consider any DMT and MAOI combo to be "ayahuasca". There are many traditionally used species that contain DMT http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ayahuasca/ayahuasca_terminology.shtml
as well as many others.
arguably a preparation would have the ayahuasca vine in order for it to be called such. anything else is simply oral DMT/MAOI combo which doesn't sound as cool I guess.
There is no such thing as a vine called "ayahuasca". It is pathetic that the writer of this article knows more about DMT than most of the posters in this thread.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Leon Ferrum]
#16159698 - 04/30/12 12:41 PM (1 year, 24 days ago) |
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Some people consider any DMT and MAOI combo to be "ayahuasca". There are many traditionally used species that contain DMT http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ayahuasca/ayahuasca_terminology.shtml
as well as many others.
arguably a preparation would have the ayahuasca vine in order for it to be called such. anything else is simply oral DMT/MAOI combo which doesn't sound as cool I guess.
There is no such thing as a vine called "ayahuasca". It is pathetic that the writer of this article knows more about DMT than most of the posters in this thread.
traditionally
b. caapi and or b. muricata in brewed form are commonly referred to as ayahuasca by some people in the regions where it grows. It's a Quechua term meaning spirit's vine or vine of souls. Arguably any brew or preparation without one of these lianas is not true ayahuasca. whats so hard about that to understand?
if you check your erowid link, you will see B. caapi listed with it's common name as Ayahuasca. according to your own source there is indeed a vine called ayahuasca.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: ShroomDoom]
#16159934 - 04/30/12 01:39 PM (1 year, 23 days ago) |
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Some people consider any DMT and MAOI combo to be "ayahuasca". There are many traditionally used species that contain DMT http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ayahuasca/ayahuasca_terminology.shtml
as well as many others.
arguably a preparation would have the ayahuasca vine in order for it to be called such. anything else is simply oral DMT/MAOI combo which doesn't sound as cool I guess.
There is no such thing as a vine called "ayahuasca". It is pathetic that the writer of this article knows more about DMT than most of the posters in this thread.
traditionally
b. caapi and or b. muricata in brewed form are commonly referred to as ayahuasca by some people in the regions where it grows. It's a Quechua term meaning spirit's vine or vine of souls. Arguably any brew or preparation without one of these lianas is not true ayahuasca. whats so hard about that to understand?
if you check your erowid link, you will see B. caapi listed with it's common name as Ayahuasca. according to your own source there is indeed a vine called ayahuasca.
Look at the column on the far right "Form" and you will see that ayahuasca can be made from many different plants, many of which are not lianas at all. Erowid also states on the main ayahuasca page that the term can refer to any DMT MAOI mixture. I was wrong in that there are 3 species of vine that are indeed referred to by some people as ayahuasca.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Leon Ferrum]
#16162589 - 04/30/12 10:27 PM (1 year, 23 days ago) |
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There's always a bigger fish, there's always a dumber fish. Life goes on. 
Imo it's ultimately pointless to say what "ayahuasca" it by trying to narrow it down to 2 or 3 plants. There's hundreds of potential combinations for ayahuasca because of all the admixtures. To some, it's not "ayahuasca" without a bit of coca or tobacco. So I guess there's a couple hundred more ways to say "omg, someone on the internet is wrong!"
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: maug]
#16168951 - 05/02/12 01:49 AM (1 year, 22 days ago) |
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Psychedelic DMT, that's the shit man, way better than regular DMT.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: joemolloy]
#16170292 - 05/02/12 11:53 AM (1 year, 22 days ago) |
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I like how kids on the internet promote universal psychedelic usage and religiously espouse them as entirely harmless, spreading the info on how to produce/extract them, and about how safe they are to other kids. Then someone tries it due to them hearing about it from word of mouth like the kids intended in the first place, except with bad results and these same kids are like "OMG this guy wuz an idiot and makez us all look bad now n he shoulda never smoked DMT in the first places!!!! "
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: MaxFresh]
#16177818 - 05/03/12 07:57 PM (1 year, 20 days ago) |
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i like how people say they like things that they actually dislike.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: k00laid]
#16177878 - 05/03/12 08:12 PM (1 year, 20 days ago) |
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i like how people say they like things that they actually dislike.
quite ironic of you to say that
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: funnybunny]
#16260295 - 05/20/12 11:44 PM (1 year, 3 days ago) |
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: floatingwater]
#16260365 - 05/21/12 12:01 AM (1 year, 3 days ago) |
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i like how people say they like things that they actually dislike.
quite ironic of you to say that
hahah
damnit
you were supposed to sayQuote:
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i like how people say they like things that they actually dislike.
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wow
i was about to post something witty here, but then i completely forgot..
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: k00laid]
#16264777 - 05/21/12 10:15 PM (1 year, 2 days ago) |
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my comment on the article, awaiting moderation:
"There's a lot of truth to this article, more than you people might think.
I'm a victim of psychedelic DMT myself, so I'm speaking from experience here. I first used it about four years ago at what was called a 'Psychedelic Jamboree', little did I know what I was in for. There were people lying on the floor, drooling, prostitutes spread all over the place, half dead cigarettes lying on the futons, a real scene of debauchery. But I was feeling adventurous, so I sat down with a couple of old musky heads, and pretty soon I was offered a needle. "What's in it?" I asked. "Psychedelic DMT" was the reply. I don't know why, but I wrapped up my arm and shot it into my veins. Pretty soon I was seeing unicorns and speaking with the devil, I was paranoid, out of my mind, shakily I stood up and was overcome by a sense of dark hatred, I grabbed a fireplace poker and smashed in the head of the guy closest to me. I came down from the high fairly soon, and luckily nobody had noticed what had happened, or at least were too zonked out to care. I got out of there, but something strange had happened. Psychedelic DMT had awakened a demon inside of me, and the bloodlust was only to become more and more powerful. I hooked up with a dealer in the shady part of town, 'Zipper' was what he called himself. Zipper and myself soon began to take Psychedelic DMT on a nightly basis and go out on the town. We would take Z's car and roll down dark alleyways looking for victims. They were usually prostitutes, old ones, ones that nobody would care to look for. Our modus operandi was thus: go in the alleys, find the victim, entice them towards the car with a few bills, then take a hit of Psychedelic DMT as they grew closer, and within 30, seconds the prostitute would be mangled, torn limb from limb, there was always blood, always so much blood. We did this for a couple of months, then the honeymoon period wore off and the paranoia set foot inside of our souls. The Psychedelic DMT would not let us trust each other, we began to grow distant, agitated, and occasionally violent towards each other. In an attempt to renew the friendship we tried various drugs. We tried everything from skin-popping Crystal Cocamphetamine to injecting pure delta-9-THCannabuprofin into our brain stems with needles we made with pepsi cans and ballpoint pens. But it only served to make us even more wary of each other. He had a knife to my throat, I swear, he had it to my throat and I had to do it I had to take the glock to him god there was fucking goo everywhere oh god it was horrible i'm sorry i can't think straight i can't finish this the psychedelic DMT is hitting me me meat bone flesh meat bone RIP RIP TEAR FLESH BONE GNAW CHEW KILL KILL KILL KILL DIE FEAR FEARlkdsjfl;ksdj;ljl;jfdl;kjfasdjkjlfdsnhy"
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: RoyA]
#16267228 - 05/22/12 01:00 PM (1 year, 1 day ago) |
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my comment on the article, awaiting moderation:
"There's a lot of truth to this article, more than you people might think.
I'm a victim of psychedelic DMT myself, so I'm speaking from experience here. I first used it about four years ago at what was called a 'Psychedelic Jamboree', little did I know what I was in for. There were people lying on the floor, drooling, prostitutes spread all over the place, half dead cigarettes lying on the futons, a real scene of debauchery. But I was feeling adventurous, so I sat down with a couple of old musky heads, and pretty soon I was offered a needle. "What's in it?" I asked. "Psychedelic DMT" was the reply. I don't know why, but I wrapped up my arm and shot it into my veins. Pretty soon I was seeing unicorns and speaking with the devil, I was paranoid, out of my mind, shakily I stood up and was overcome by a sense of dark hatred, I grabbed a fireplace poker and smashed in the head of the guy closest to me. I came down from the high fairly soon, and luckily nobody had noticed what had happened, or at least were too zonked out to care. I got out of there, but something strange had happened. Psychedelic DMT had awakened a demon inside of me, and the bloodlust was only to become more and more powerful. I hooked up with a dealer in the shady part of town, 'Zipper' was what he called himself. Zipper and myself soon began to take Psychedelic DMT on a nightly basis and go out on the town. We would take Z's car and roll down dark alleyways looking for victims. They were usually prostitutes, old ones, ones that nobody would care to look for. Our modus operandi was thus: go in the alleys, find the victim, entice them towards the car with a few bills, then take a hit of Psychedelic DMT as they grew closer, and within 30, seconds the prostitute would be mangled, torn limb from limb, there was always blood, always so much blood. We did this for a couple of months, then the honeymoon period wore off and the paranoia set foot inside of our souls. The Psychedelic DMT would not let us trust each other, we began to grow distant, agitated, and occasionally violent towards each other. In an attempt to renew the friendship we tried various drugs. We tried everything from skin-popping Crystal Cocamphetamine to injecting pure delta-9-THCannabuprofin into our brain stems with needles we made with pepsi cans and ballpoint pens. But it only served to make us even more wary of each other. He had a knife to my throat, I swear, he had it to my throat and I had to do it I had to take the glock to him god there was fucking goo everywhere oh god it was horrible i'm sorry i can't think straight i can't finish this the psychedelic DMT is hitting me me meat bone flesh meat bone RIP RIP TEAR FLESH BONE GNAW CHEW KILL KILL KILL KILL DIE FEAR FEARlkdsjfl;ksdj;ljl;jfdl;kjfasdjkjlfdsnhy"
hahahaaha. on a serious note i knoiw what youve been through lsd and mdma have similar effects on me    
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: allseeingike]
#16267349 - 05/22/12 01:29 PM (1 year, 1 day ago) |
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lol who calls DMT, pysychadelic DMT
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: RoyA]
#16267357 - 05/22/12 01:31 PM (1 year, 1 day ago) |
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: joemolloy]
#16267390 - 05/22/12 01:38 PM (1 year, 1 day ago) |
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Memphis Police have not confirmed if Psychedelic DMT was in Walsh’s system.
let's not go writing articles condemning this chemical, seeing as how it may not even be involved
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Soluminia]
#16267401 - 05/22/12 01:41 PM (1 year, 1 day ago) |
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lol who calls DMT, pysychadelic DMT
They have to distinguish between that and non-psychedelic DMT
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: demiu5]
#16267408 - 05/22/12 01:42 PM (1 year, 1 day ago) |
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Memphis Police have not confirmed if Psychedelic DMT was in Walsh’s system.
let's not go writing articles condemning this chemical, seeing as how it may not even be involved
what are you talking about of course its involved a friend who wasnt there and doesnt know the effects of said he had taken it recently and that means he most likely built a terrible addiction to dmt went crazy and killed his mom because of the delusions of her being the devil while on dmt or withdrawals
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Celestial Traveler]
#16267412 - 05/22/12 01:43 PM (1 year, 1 day ago) |
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lol who calls DMT, pysychadelic DMT
They have to distinguish between that and non-psychedelic DMT
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: allseeingike]
#16272544 - 05/23/12 12:49 PM (1 year, 1 day ago) |
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Oldish post I know.
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The DEA is boosting efforts to crack down on internet sites selling DMT and other drugs.
I can't imagine that any MHRB vendor in their right mind still has an operational website.
The criminal charge will have them facing years in prison and the civil charge will immediately confiscate every red cent even if they beat the criminal charge.
Is Mimosa Hostilis not legal?
for now yes it is legal.. but don't think the feds don't all ready know whats up.
Is that really true though? It seems to me like if a substance contains a detectable amount of a controlled substance, then it is a controlled substance. If someone adds a pound of cocaine to 99 pounds of table salt, it doesn't become "legal" just because there is no specific ban on cocaine-containing table salt. It's enough that cocaine is already illegal.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: psi]
#16272668 - 05/23/12 01:25 PM (1 year, 23 hours ago) |
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psi- drug laws are strange. Some plants are only illegal to possess if you also have the knowledge that they contain drugs. The best example is the opium poppy. It is legal to grow unless you know that you are making morphine. It is illegal to buy the products you are talking about in some instances, but legal overall.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Leon Ferrum]
#16273321 - 05/23/12 04:15 PM (1 year, 20 hours ago) |
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Not to be argumentative but I've seen it argued that no special exemption in the law exists for ornamental gardeners of opium poppies either, it's more that the law just isn't typically enforced in those situations. Neither exemption (for possessing opiate or DMT containing materials for apparent non-drug purposes) seems to be actually written into the Controlled Substances Act that I can see, which makes me think that it's more of a customary practice not to enforce in those cases and not an iron-clad legal immunity that exists as long as you maintain deniability. Of course, I'm not a lawyer so I could be way off.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Leon Ferrum]
#16273356 - 05/23/12 04:25 PM (1 year, 20 hours ago) |
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Is that really true though? It seems to me like if a substance contains a detectable amount of a controlled substance, then it is a controlled substance. If someone adds a pound of cocaine to 99 pounds of table salt, it doesn't become "legal" just because there is no specific ban on cocaine-containing table salt. It's enough that cocaine is already illegal.
Plants are an exception to that rule - they need to be specifically outlawed in order to be illegal.
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psi- drug laws are strange. Some plants are only illegal to possess if you also have the knowledge that they contain drugs. The best example is the opium poppy. It is legal to grow unless you know that you are making morphine. It is illegal to buy the products you are talking about in some instances, but legal overall.
Opium poppies are specifically scheduled by the controlled substances act.
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#16273532 - 05/23/12 05:00 PM (1 year, 19 hours ago) |
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Plants are an exception to that rule - they need to be specifically outlawed in order to be illegal.
If that's true, is it written in a law somewhere? Or do you know of a quote from a legal expert supporting it at least?
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: psi]
#16273850 - 05/23/12 05:59 PM (1 year, 18 hours ago) |
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If that's true, is it written in a law somewhere?
No.
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Or do you know of a quote from a legal expert supporting it at least?
This article on cactus applies to MHRB and other plants with schedule I substances.
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cacti/cacti_law1.shtml
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Re: DMT - Powerful, Dangerous Drug May Be Linked To Murder Case [Re: Alan Rockefeller]
#16274132 - 05/23/12 06:50 PM (1 year, 18 hours ago) |
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Thanks for the link.
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