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 N.FL.Shaman
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 RE: Noob Tip Tek (King Roger) 
#16134127 - 04/24/12 06:38 PM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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I regret even taking my time to ATTEMPT to contribute to your forum. Since you leave no room for debate by closing my post, allow me to clarify. Thanks for understanding I was writing that late night from memory and helping fix vague or confusing tips rather than locking it. (Way better contribution than helping edit info.) WAY TO GO!
I understand your not wanting anyone questioning your insight and locking my tek for discussion. We wouldn't want to know even you can't have ALL the answers or "perfect" tek. We wouldn't wanna throw off the hierarchy I inevitably have experienced since joining a few days ago.
Nature is nature. Trying to contain that has vast variables.
Not even YOU are capable of understanding ALL of them.
Without further ado: my second and probably last main post:
"This thread has been closed.
"Reason:
We always welcome people making contributions, but
please wait until you have a few grows under your belt."
Just because I haven't posted grow logs nor joined in '91 does not mean I'm inexperienced or have an inabitity to process all the bs that should never be on this site in the first place. Sorry for trying to point out all the bs to read is too much. Just state the fucking facts.
"There's just too many mistakes to let it stand.
Needles should be flame sterilized. It matters not if a
needle is sterile out of the package-it is no longer sterile
after the first inoculation and can carry contamination
from one jar to the next if flame sterilization isn't used.
Alcohol only gets the outside of the needle, not the
inside."
If your sterility process is exactly that.. STERILE. (Which I put #2 on my list of importance) What contams are you risking inside the needle which is also STERILE? If you put your glasses on you will see I corrected it to a more "widely" adaptable version since not everyone will be starting with good sterile procedure. Hence the suggestion to flame sterilize.
"The oven tek is bogus and leads to a higher rate of
contamination."
Correct. I used it for my first experiment and got 100% success. (Which I didn't feel a need to document here since it was MY experiment years ago.) I just added it as a Glovebox alt based off of personal experience. (Which was later changed as
well for a more "widely" adaptable version.)
"If the water is 40% up a brf tek jar, the substrate will get
saturated. Elevate jars out of the water totally. It's the
steam which sterilizes, not the water."
Correct. 40% was the max I was suggesting. I was merely trying to correct the "half-way" bs spread around here. AND if your foil lids are tight, water is not an issue as the water shouldn't be splashing around. Smh.
"Taping jar holes is recommended. Use breathable
micropore tape."
Correct. Don't tape holes with something like electrical tape. Small pin holes don't HAVE to be taped but I DID suggest taping with a breathable tape!
"Light does effect colonization. Low level ambient light
speeds it up, while very bright light slows it down."
Correct. Normal lighting won't NEGATIVELY affect colonization.
***New tip I forgot as I assumed it was common sense which was demonstrated isn't so common. "Avoid direct sunlight"*
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"One should not harvest all the mushrooms on a cake at
once. Pick as they're ready."
If they are connected to a cluster damaging the cluster can lead to stalling and aborts. Let them grow.
Since you chimed in.. Can you shed some insight why twisting them out is recommended for growing yet any hunter know's its CRUCIAL to thump then pick. And by pick I mean cut as close to the substrate with razor or SHARP scissors. Pulling it out damages the mycelium network and can cause a field to go dry. (Obv the thump is for spores and not needed when growing. Trying to make everything as CLEAR as possible.)
"There's a few more, but this is enough. Get a few grows,
work out your technique and then help the new folks
out. I can tell you've done a lot of reading and this is
good.
RR"
Once again thanks for the assumptions and trying to make me look wrong and seem to be a novice or inexperienced due to a late night write-up. Could have just clarified the "grey" areas and let it serve as a great compilation of info that YOUR forum both correctly and incorrectly promotes.  Dick.
Why is everyone so damn "high-up" around here? No one likes to help they simply scream "Nuh uh! You're wrong" and stare like a 5 year old. Smh. The majority of people on here will never cultivate or see the amount of mushrooms I've personally received from mother nature. I had respect for RR for his insight and vast experience, yet it seems he too has fallen victim to "hot-shit" syndrome. I guess now he's more worried about cashing in on this sub-culture than helping promote growth of fellow hobbyists.
Making assumptions about someone is human and normal.
Making statements out of your ass BASED off of those assumptions is HIGHLY disrespectful and likely to cause drama in real life. Js.
I imagine if my info got locked this post might ban me. Lol.
Reading this back I mean my comments in the most proper of manners. I just see locking the post as a waste of my time and the post and it's "incorrect" or "unclear" will live on frozen forever instead of edited like I asked at the end. :/
Edited by N.FL.Shaman (04/24/12 10:25 PM)
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N.FL.Shaman
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 Re: RE: Noob Tip Tek (King Roger) [Re: N.FL.Shaman]
#16134947 - 04/24/12 09:38 PM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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No harvest tips for grow conditions RR?
Do you know why the opinion differs for natural vs grown?
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Re: RE: Noob Tip Tek (King Roger) [Re: N.FL.Shaman]
#16135330 - 04/24/12 11:01 PM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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You are trolling and need to leave buddy..
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N.FL.Shaman
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Wtf is trolling and who in gods name are YOU to tell ME to leave a public forum on a thread that I wrote?! YOU can leave MY thread and take your shitty attitude with you.
Thanks for proving my point this places concept of constructive criticism or debate sucks. There's six sides to every board... Or square cake for that matter
A viable solution is to communicate the issue and offer a proposed course of action.
Ex. Stop making blind statements without fully communicating thoughts or ideas. If there is an issue explain the issue and your grounds for your viewpoint. That's how people communicate via text.
(I'm really a laid back person if people would stop trying to dictate and force their rule/ thoughts/knowledge. Either say something positive or just keep moving. You don't have to reflect the negative energy that you are saturated it. I'm new to forum boards but I wasn't born yesterday.)
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Re: RE: Noob Tip Tek (King Roger) [Re: N.FL.Shaman]
#16135919 - 04/25/12 12:47 AM (1 year, 28 days ago) |
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RR was likely growing mushrooms while you where still in diapers or wondering
which side of your play pen smelled the worst.
He was not trying to be mean, or rude, he is simply trying to stomp
out the miss information posted by noobies who grow using sub par methods
once or twice with success and then spread it like gospel.
You clearly cannot take constructive criticism, everything RR has told
you was learned from hands on experience and experiments, not speculation.
Every so often people like yourself come along thinking they have re-invented the
wheel...I understand your want to help out, but spreading mis information
and lazy/outdated methods and techniques helps no one.
Also bumping your own threads within 24 hours is against the forum rules.
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N.FL.Shaman
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The constructive criticism comment is to everyone else. My issue with RR was locking my first post assuming I hadn't successfully completed any experiments and don't have an adept knowledge of mushrooms in their natural form. He didn't allow me to clarify and finish the post with the aid of fellow hobbyists. Acting as if I know nothing and wrote garbage is tantamount to telling a car enthusiast they don't know shit about engines and are wrong on issues that just needed clarification.
A friend of mine taught me how to experiment inside. Once I learned the process I tried my own experiment under his guidance and went solo. I wanted something dif. and originally came here because I googled "reliable spore syringe vendor" and a post came up for the site.
I read some stuff here that contradicted what I had previously read and been taught. Some of it correct, some of it not so much. Some of it new to me.
Instead of making a newcomer to this site read thru billions of contradicting posts and having to cross reference, find books, dif. sites, verifying sources, etc.
I figured I would tackle some things I remembered having the most "mystery" around them. I admitted it was late and from memory. I expected RR of all people (who haven't been welcoming) to communicate the lesson to be learned as a proper teacher would strive to do. Do you still not see the value of the thread I threw together as an initial post? I mean come on! Look at the "tek." The first person to comment believes H202 is not harmful. I personally have witnessed the opposite and it has been "scientifically" confirmed by none other than RR. Lol. There is a lot of THAT that goes on here.
I never said he didn't know anything as he insinuated to me. I openly admit to not having the grows he has under my belt. I was simply frustrated he locked my post and I created this to communicate back with him to clarify my thoughts.
Also I would still like to know the diff in natural and indoor experiment picking. I tried both ways. I can't really tell a dif. but I don't have the capability of "properly" controlling and testing variables.
Btw if everyone spoke to me on level terms like in your post the miscommunication will be minimized.
And what's trolling or whatever that guy said? I no longer support the search function so if no one cares to answer, I don't care. I won't lose sleep over you accusing me of something I have no knowledge of.. :P
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Re: RE: Noob Tip Tek (King Roger) [Re: N.FL.Shaman]
#16136297 - 04/25/12 02:17 AM (1 year, 27 days ago) |
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I just facepalmed so hard I got knocked out of my chair, where the fuck is the lockdown police tonight?
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Re: RE: Noob Tip Tek (King Roger) [Re: Diesel_Dawg]
#16136307 - 04/25/12 02:20 AM (1 year, 27 days ago) |
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$$"IM ON A RAMAN NOODLE EVERY NIGHT BUDGET"$$
  
ROGERRABBIT: P cubensis will grow on stuffed animals, bibles, quarter pounds of weed, bras, etc.
In other words,it's hard to fuck up a cube grow.
RR
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NFL, you have made some valid points about everyone quick to criticize people when they're wrong<<< like I was about the h202, just try to understand that some people come across cocky when they post a TEK and people try to correct them by giving constructive criticism<< in one form or another>> and they dont take it with a grain of salt, and lash out @ people. Being new here myself i try not to correct people who have been here longer and probably have much more knowlege than myself, but i will ask questions as did you as to why they thought I was wrong to begin with. I guess what i'm saying is, dont get too razzled by the "hecklers" that are here, and everywhere for that matter. RR gave you an explanation why the thread was closed, why question it? Forget about it and make a new thread as you did, but leave the past in the past and everyone will learn more and respect you more<<<even if that doesnt concern you. Thanks for the info and keep posting, its all a learning experience
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thinkyou
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If you got beef with someone, why argue in public? What's the point? Is this a performance of shakespore in teh park?
I'm from the "flame via PM society"
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Disclaimer: I am not responsible.
Edited by thinkyou (04/25/12 04:59 AM)
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Re: RE: Noob Tip Tek (King Roger) [Re: thinkyou]
#16136845 - 04/25/12 06:32 AM (1 year, 27 days ago) |
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Put your big girl panties on and chill man if you don't like when people say "don't touch that its hot !!!" Then your on you're own ... Nobody wants to see you fail or embarrass you on here that's why "we" try and help ..
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N.FL.Shaman
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I'm not "beefing" with anyone, "tweet that". Lol.
And as I stated, this post was only made bc I had no other way of communicating back to RR and felt a PM was too "confrontational." Its like knocking on someone's front door opposed to just communicating openly how you feel and why you feel wronged. (You guys should work on that )
If I didn't respect his contribution to the mycology sub-culture, I wouldn't ask his opinion on something that still baffles me and I cant find any info to support; except in different "scenarios" which contradict one another.
If you are too "wise" to ask questions you are simply an ignorant being, and anyone who denies you knowledge secretly desires to rule you. I share everything I have been blessed with and wish others would do the same rather than hate monger. If you view my threads you will agree that most are positive. This one is an exception but I have a reason..
I've done my own thing as well as basked in the knowledge and observation of others here for some time now. RR imho is the pinnacle of "standard" here. If he says it, you can almost guarantee it has references somewhere and isn't just his "personal" observation. (Although I know that's a part of it too.) I feel I finally "met" someone I had utmost respect for for the longest time and they give me the finger for trying to join their cause.. Wth?!
I OPENLY asked for help and input at the end, as I knew it wasn't a "perfect, widely adaptable" project when I posted it. Imo it was/is a work in progress and more or less a simplified info and personal experience tek. (cliffnotes if you will.)
Agreed Mr. Shroomi. Thanks for not being biased by other's negativity. I don't claim to know everything but I am confident in the knowledge I do possess. You can't give something away or share something you don't first possess yourself, tho even a genius is ignorant in certain rites. You simply can't "know it all." (Regardless of "join date" rotfl) I never tried to "bash" anyone as accused and I think you can agree. When we had differing views I simply stated we could agree to disagree. (With supporting argument I might add)
No one has yet to see the value of what I envisioned the thread to become.
I don't know about you but I have known about this site since '04ish.
Wouldn't a "complete" tip "tek" have been useful to you for widespread misconceptions which you held firmly to until last night? (H202)
Something to save you years and months of studying/working and reading to support your findings?
AND as an added bonus is supported and contributed to by none other than RR himself. (As opposed to a lock  )
Anyone with half a brain that comes here would realize that RR quite possibly has more cultivation exp. than anyone else here spewing "facts."
Regardless, IYHO, wouldn't you have valued a post that cleared up all the random bs from day one rather than wade thru post after post of contradicting info?!
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Re: RE: Noob Tip Tek (King Roger) [Re: N.FL.Shaman]
#16136957 - 04/25/12 08:02 AM (1 year, 27 days ago) |
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happy shroomin!
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i love you !and look forward to shroomin wicha !
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Re: RE: Noob Tip Tek (King Roger) [Re: N.FL.Shaman] 1
#16136977 - 04/25/12 08:20 AM (1 year, 27 days ago) |
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Quote:
N.FL.Shaman said:
Regardless, IYHO, wouldn't you have valued a post that cleared up all the random bs from day one rather than wade thru post after post of contradicting info?!
Yes: http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/8468463/fpart/1/vc/1
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Discovering yourself is only "discovery" in so much as you discovered that what you once thought was real, is only a mirage.
Edited by Lifted1 (04/25/12 08:21 AM)
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Re: RE: Noob Tip Tek (King Roger) [Re: Lifted1]
#16138258 - 04/25/12 04:40 PM (1 year, 27 days ago) |
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Cool. That's how to be helpful and share knowledge.
Happy shrooming to you guys as well!
I won't be writing anymore teks or sharing my personal exp but I will continue to interact with those of you worth talking to.
I have a new idea to test out regarding psilocin extraction, conversion, and storage using "natural" methods and not all the chemicals. If this interests you and you have a solid foundation of understanding mushrooms, pm me and we can kick around ideas. I don't want to post it for the naysayers to feed on. It's not perfect but more a theory I've came up with to get the most out of your efforts.
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Re: RE: Noob Tip Tek (King Roger) [Re: N.FL.Shaman]
#16138345 - 04/25/12 05:09 PM (1 year, 27 days ago) |
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all banter aside,
op: you do raise some points that newbies tend to learn after a few grows nothing ground breaking and mostly opinion based.
ill not start critiquing your methods, as I'm shure they work great for you.
But, the way you come off is a bit arrogant and mis-informed, and somewhat understandably butthurt.
RR is quite blunt in his explanations at times but short of getting paul stamets in a forum he has more knowledge than 1 person should have on the subject he's highly respected and somewhat of a professor of Mycology around these forums.
your help, knowledge and experiences would be better if used to answer questions rather than make statements.
there's a lot of "know it all's" most only know what there told
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Re: RE: Noob Tip Tek (King Roger) [Re: bishlap]
#16138543 - 04/25/12 06:00 PM (1 year, 27 days ago) |
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That was my intention: trying to take the opinion out and leave verifiable info, solely for the NEW Noob who may be overwhelmed by trying to "enter" the hobby with 0 grows knowledge or experience. If you know nothing, how can you think for self?
I just remember how I felt when I first discovered this site and I was lucky enough to already be taught my foundation by mother nature herself, and a hands on teacher. Imagine knowing nothing upon coming here!
I'm kosher and not trying to come across as arrogant. That's your perception unfortunately. I have stated my thoughts and reasons impartially and that is that. I openly asked for help. What self righteous arrogant asshole is capable of asking for help? The arrogance imo is on the behalf of the other users with their half assed non informative smug remarks.
Is it my name?? People assume since it says "shaman" I must claim to "know it all" like the rest of the "shamans" here?! (Which I stated in a previous thread is just a name and that I DON'T "know it all")
Fyi: imo there are no REAL modern day shamans known to popular culture. Maybe native and indigenous tribes have a real shaman still but I can't say for sure.
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Re: RE: Noob Tip Tek (King Roger) [Re: N.FL.Shaman]
#16138612 - 04/25/12 06:17 PM (1 year, 27 days ago) |
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You're and idiot. I feel like you cried after he locked your thread and then came to your computer and lashed out.. Is that what happened?
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Re: RE: Noob Tip Tek (King Roger) [Re: N.FL.Shaman]
#16138619 - 04/25/12 06:20 PM (1 year, 27 days ago) |
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if someone took a dislike to you're name I'm shure there not worried about Mycology, honestly I almost never read names that's what avatars are for.
I'm shure you have some knowledge that could help but granted you may not be a newbie mother nature deals in numbers we (on shroomery) deal in statistics.
even paul Stamets often opens by saying :I know nothing about mushrooms.
were all learning maybe "mother nature" has taught you something or many things but the collective of information on this site and with its members constantly experimenting.
try to be the student again we have much you could learn I'm shure.
while your at it try to lend some of your knowledge if it should so please you.
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Re: RE: Noob Tip Tek (King Roger) [Re: bishlap]
#16138655 - 04/25/12 06:27 PM (1 year, 27 days ago) |
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Alan Rockefeller said:No! Do not feed the type collection of a new species to animals!
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