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 Re: Public speaking break down.  [Re: Bawks]
#16132641 - 04/24/12 12:18 PM (1 year, 27 days ago) |
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Can you actually get Xanax prescribed if you use that excuse?
oh shroomery, u so druggy 
No, I actually have pretty bad anxiety. I failed my speech class the first time around because of it. I just didn't know it was so easily prescribed because I was never recommended by my psychiatrist.
Yep all you have to do is let a doc know about it and you'll walk out with kpins, valium or xanax.
Ativan is used for far more psychological issues
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#16132659 - 04/24/12 12:22 PM (1 year, 27 days ago) |
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lol so let me get this straight OP... your name got called to go and speak in front of your class and you got up and walked out? LOL.
What do you do now? I feel like what you did is a million times more embarrassing than speaking in front of people.
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Re: Public speaking break down. [Re: Everlong]
#16132735 - 04/24/12 12:40 PM (1 year, 27 days ago) |
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It made him feel better leave him alone
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The countdown to the break up of the euro has officially begun.
A great financial crisis is going to erupt in Europe, and it is going to shake the world to the core.
If you were frightened by what happened back in 2008, then you are going to be absolutely horrified by what is coming next.
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Once I realized no one in college actually gave a fuck what I was talking about, it became a lot easier.  Talk how you normally would and don't memorize a fucking thing. If you forget one phrase, you're screwed. Just bring in a rough outline and you'll do much better.
I've started going with this approach over the past year or so, and all my speeches have been much better.
When I try to memorize a speech I just end up forgetting something, then fucking everything up.
I actually have to give a 10 minute presentation tonight on a theme of my choice on a short story. I'm not worried at all, I know my general outline. Powerpoint is all set up and done. I know what I'm going to be talking about generally.
I've given a lot of speeches for a lot of different types of classes now though, and they do get easier the more you give.
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Re: Public speaking break down. [Re: NIMH]
#16132820 - 04/24/12 01:04 PM (1 year, 27 days ago) |
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Public speaking (and more formal conversation) is a valuable life skill.
You'd benefit from learning how to do it without the aid of drugs, since you may not always be able to pop a bar on short notice.
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Re: Public speaking break down. [Re: SlashOZ]
#16134771 - 04/24/12 09:05 PM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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OP, you don't need drugs to do this unless you actually have a serious mental issue that needs to get worked through. If that is the case drugs are not going to solve your problems entirely although they can help.
Public speaking is hard for people? I don't know, I've never had much of a problem with it. You can talk to people normally right? Just do that. Doesn't matter if the room has 3 people in it or 300. Just make eye contact with people one person at a time. After a few seconds of eye contact the most likely reaction is for the person to look away because they feel uncomfortable about being singled out of a crowd. This allows you to take control of your audience because you can more effectively communicate with people while making eye contact, it helps relax you when they look away, and you control the room when you can dictate how people react to you and your speech. Its the exact opposite when you allow the stares of 300 people to scare you. You need to just focus on the crowd and talk to each of them during your speech, one person at a time.
He got up and ran out of class form fear of public speaking. I would say thats a phobia.
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Re: Public speaking break down. [Re: OGTubs]
#16134804 - 04/24/12 09:12 PM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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you know most universities and colleges have public speaking clubs and groups for the purpose of practicing public speaking. i'm pretty sure if you go to your student union hall, you could find one or two that can help, rather than dosing yourself.
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Re: Public speaking break down. [Re: OGTubs]
#16134832 - 04/24/12 09:17 PM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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OP, you don't need drugs to do this unless you actually have a serious mental issue that needs to get worked through. If that is the case drugs are not going to solve your problems entirely although they can help.
Public speaking is hard for people? I don't know, I've never had much of a problem with it. You can talk to people normally right? Just do that. Doesn't matter if the room has 3 people in it or 300. Just make eye contact with people one person at a time. After a few seconds of eye contact the most likely reaction is for the person to look away because they feel uncomfortable about being singled out of a crowd. This allows you to take control of your audience because you can more effectively communicate with people while making eye contact, it helps relax you when they look away, and you control the room when you can dictate how people react to you and your speech. Its the exact opposite when you allow the stares of 300 people to scare you. You need to just focus on the crowd and talk to each of them during your speech, one person at a time.
He got up and ran out of class form fear of public speaking. I would say thats a phobia.
so, what the fuck is your point? that OP should take drugs?
are all phobias cured with drugs?
i have a fear of water and yet i'm still a river guide in the summer. I conquered my fear by facing it *gasp*. OP should conquer theirs as well instead of taking the easy way out like a fucking coward. No offense OP but seriously, prescription drugs are not the answer unless there is an actually condition at play that requires the administration of drugs. being uncomfortable with speaking in public affects everyone. this does not mean everyone needs drugs to speak in public effectively or without fear. with practice you can learn. gather a few friends and practice on them before giving a speech in front of your class. there are literally thousands of ways to conquer your fear of public speaking without resulting to drugs. odds are the drugs wont help anyways and even if you make it past this class you will still have not learned or accomplished anything other than taking drugs. why not make an effort to better yourself instead of just masking the problem with drugs?
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Re: Public speaking break down. [Re: NIMH]
#16134916 - 04/24/12 09:32 PM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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I know how it feels OP. I have had the same problem. And most people that don't have the problem won't understand. It is most likely bad genes. And it is important to note that it is a physical reaction. You start shaking and freaking out for no reason. You know it doesn't make sense and you know that no one cares. But it is a natural fight or flight response that your body is undergoing and no amount of preparation, meditation, reassurance, or logical thinking can get rid of it.
Luckily I convinced my doctor to prescribe me beta-blockers (propranolol). These drugs can almost completely alleviate you of physical symptoms associated with the surge of adrenaline and all that. That means no more shaking, stuttering, sweating, or freaking out in general. The funny thing is that it doesn't effect you mentally at all. But when you take away those symptoms you don't need anything to do that.
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Re: Public speaking break down. [Re: SlashOZ]
#16134932 - 04/24/12 09:34 PM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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I don't go to college OP, so idk
Ive had to speak in front of large amounts of people before though.
Its better when you don't give a fuck, like legitimately don't give a FUCK about anyone in the room, if you can find that place you will be golden.
Or take drugs.
Just go through the pain and embarrassment if you have to man.
Just get up there make a fool of yourself, and then each time you progressively give less fucks every time you go up to give a speech.
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Re: Public speaking break down. [Re: eltonjohn]
#16135161 - 04/24/12 10:19 PM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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The drugs are there, may as well take them. If you've always been afraid of public speaking then I don't see why taking a benzo to get through your first speech is bad? That way you can actually go through with it and realize that it's not so bad. I have the same thing I guess and it's not because I don't want to give a speech, I really do. But if I tried it while still being on the edge, I just sound incoherent and stupid... I've seen some that actually start crying but are determined to finish their speech.
So up to you I guess.
You probably don't really need a benzo though. Something like fear of flying where under your job description you have to do lots of travel, then I think then a benzo is a short term fix... so that you can at least perform your job. I suppose needing to pass school is just as important?
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Re: Public speaking break down. [Re: eltonjohn]
#16135208 - 04/24/12 10:29 PM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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When I worked for IBM, this dude did a major presentation (auditorium, lots of attendees, many bigwigs). While he was talking he very slowly was removing his shoes and clothing. It was hilarious. Not only was it a great technical presentation, but at the finish all he had on was his boxers. He was a guy I worked closely with. Afterward I ran up and told him it was absolutely brilliant. Guess that's one way to distract yourself from the anxiety...
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Re: Public speaking break down. [Re: SlashOZ]
#16135439 - 04/24/12 11:22 PM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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OP, you don't need drugs to do this unless you actually have a serious mental issue that needs to get worked through. If that is the case drugs are not going to solve your problems entirely although they can help.
Public speaking is hard for people? I don't know, I've never had much of a problem with it. You can talk to people normally right? Just do that. Doesn't matter if the room has 3 people in it or 300. Just make eye contact with people one person at a time. After a few seconds of eye contact the most likely reaction is for the person to look away because they feel uncomfortable about being singled out of a crowd. This allows you to take control of your audience because you can more effectively communicate with people while making eye contact, it helps relax you when they look away, and you control the room when you can dictate how people react to you and your speech. Its the exact opposite when you allow the stares of 300 people to scare you. You need to just focus on the crowd and talk to each of them during your speech, one person at a time.
He got up and ran out of class form fear of public speaking. I would say thats a phobia.
so, what the fuck is your point? that OP should take drugs?
are all phobias cured with drugs?
i have a fear of water and yet i'm still a river guide in the summer. I conquered my fear by facing it *gasp*. OP should conquer theirs as well instead of taking the easy way out like a fucking coward. No offense OP but seriously, prescription drugs are not the answer unless there is an actually condition at play that requires the administration of drugs. being uncomfortable with speaking in public affects everyone. this does not mean everyone needs drugs to speak in public effectively or without fear. with practice you can learn. gather a few friends and practice on them before giving a speech in front of your class. there are literally thousands of ways to conquer your fear of public speaking without resulting to drugs. odds are the drugs wont help anyways and even if you make it past this class you will still have not learned or accomplished anything other than taking drugs. why not make an effort to better yourself instead of just masking the problem with drugs?
Have you ever been to college/ He is in his last semester and is probably doing more work now than his whole time there. He doesn't have time to sit up and stress about public speaking. Get drunk get the C and move on.
I have an irrational fear of heights. Carney rides scare me more than than loaded guns pointed at me. It makes no sense but some of us just have irrational mental quirks. Apparently speaking in front of people is this guys. Taking some xanies or founding a few beers before it will level him out.
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Have you ever been to college/ He is in his last semester and is probably doing more work now than his whole time there. He doesn't have time to sit up and stress about public speaking. Get drunk get the C and move on.
Public speaking/being able to effectively communicate with other people is a skill that will be useful for your entire life. I know it's "just" a college class but it would be much better for this guy in the long run if he grew some balls and tried to learn something instead of taking drugs and squeaking by with a C.
Most people are put in stressful situations similar to this as some point or another... job interviews, work presentations, ect, ect. His college major program probably requires this class for a reason (because he will be expected to communicate with people in the workforce) and taking the first steps to conquering that fear in a college class where people don't give a shit to begin with is probably the best place to do so.
College is more about trying to improve yourself than it is about getting a passing grade. Take the opportunity to actually get some skills out of your college experience; especially if you're paying money to be there...
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Have you ever been to college/ He is in his last semester and is probably doing more work now than his whole time there. He doesn't have time to sit up and stress about public speaking. Get drunk get the C and move on.
Public speaking/being able to effectively communicate with other people is a skill that will be useful for your entire life. I know it's "just" a college class but it would be much better for this guy in the long run if he grew some balls and tried to learn something instead of taking drugs and squeaking by with a C.
Most people are put in stressful situations similar to this as some point or another... job interviews, work presentations, ect, ect. His college major program probably requires this class for a reason (because he will be expected to communicate with people in the workforce) and taking the first steps to conquering that fear in a college class where people don't give a shit to begin with is probably the best place to do so.
College is more about trying to improve yourself than it is about getting a passing grade. Take the opportunity to actually get some skills out of your college experience; especially if you're paying money to be there...
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Re: Public speaking break down. [Re: pwnasaurus]
#16136064 - 04/25/12 01:20 AM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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LoL "opportunity to improve yourself"
So confused
There are basic "gen eds" every major has to take to graduate. Trust me the teacher has seen plenty of kids before that refuse to speak in front of people. He's not gonna count you down for effort.
And contrary to the popular belief. The grade is everything. You don't get an effort grade on your resume.
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LoL "opportunity to improve yourself"
So confused
There are basic "gen eds" every major has to take to graduate. Trust me the teacher has seen plenty of kids before that refuse to speak in front of people. He's not gonna count you down for effort.
And contrary to the popular belief. The grade is everything. You don't get an effort grade on your resume.
I graduated college and actually took a public speaking class. I was in the same situation as the OP but sticking to it and finishing it help build my confidence tremendously. Once again it is a very good life skill to have beyond college.
Most employers don't give a shit what your grades are unless your GPA is something atrocious. Employers care about the skills you have to offer them. If you go to college and your only selling point is your grades and not your skills then you're going to be up shits creek. And they sure as fuck aren't going to give a shit about you in the first place if you are so nervous you can't even talk to them during an interview without running out of the room or pounding a bunch of beers before hand. That's where this all ties back into being useful beyond just getting a passing grade.
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Re: Public speaking break down. [Re: mellowparty]
#16137256 - 04/25/12 10:41 AM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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careful using those benzos.... one tiny slip of the hand and you'll go from smooth as fuck to a blithering retard.
I'd prefer 2-3 shots of vodka
Thats the problem with benzos but people might spot you've had a drink. Use what public speakers use - beta-blockers. It doesn't fuck you up mentally just calms down your system.
Also yay for ritalin. I can give a 4 hour lecture when I'm hooked on diz shiz.
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OP, fuck benzos. You don't need that shit to gain control over your own body.
I used to get a little weird about getting up in front of a ton of people to speak or play music or whatever else, but I eventually I just started thinking "Who the fuck are these people?" Why are you giving their presence so much power over you? When you stop and think about it, do you REALLY care what they think or are they just your douchey classmates?
I find that if you worry about the aspect that actually has consequences, your grade, then you will make sure you prepare. And if you know you are prepared, you'll feel 100% better about it. Also, when someone else is speaking, realize how you're thinking about that person during that time. Are you critiquing their every move? Are you secretly laughing at them? Shit, are you even listening? Most likely you aren't doing much of the above, yet everyone seems to think once its them up there, all of that's going to happen. A lot of people get nervous about messing up or something but when someone else stumbles during their presentation they think nothing of it. In other words, if YOU were to stumble, would the reaction really be any different?
Just be prepared, know what you're saying, realize it's just something you have to do, tell yourself you're the man and go kill it.
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Re: Public speaking break down. [Re: Shpongle1]
#16137305 - 04/25/12 11:01 AM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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The most important thing is knowing your material, know it so you can just babble on about it without thinking.A power-point is just a great aid it keeps you on point and is just as good as palm cards. I had nerves when talking in-front of large amounts of people, even more so in-front of professionals that know their stuff and could rip you apart during Q & A . Practice makes perfect, practice, practice in-front of friends and family and develop the feel for talking to many people!
hope you conquer your fear
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