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 Re: Elm Oysters  [Re: NSF]
#15882203 - 02/29/12 07:21 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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I am even more shocked. MD is so comprehensive...or so I thought.
Could it be listed under an older name? MD has been around...
I will check if I can find my copy.
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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: Javadog]
#15882345 - 02/29/12 07:56 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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It appears in MD as the synonym mentioned above. (See page 133)
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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: Javadog]
#15889128 - 03/02/12 07:28 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Terry, how are the Aloha H.u. doing?
Out of town right now, but hopefully my new sawdust/wood chip bags of both A and B strains are growing nicely.
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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: Terry M]
#15889500 - 03/02/12 10:53 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Terry M said:
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Terry, how are the Aloha H.u. doing?
Out of town right now, but hopefully my new sawdust/wood chip bags of both A and B strains are growing nicely.
Cool. Thanks for the update.
I made some straw blocks of the H. t. that JJ sent me, but this culture
seems to have resisted cleaning up. I may try a hot pour on one of
these dishes. (the blocks are colonizing, but look ugly...bacteria)
Good luck,
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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: Javadog]
#15889548 - 03/02/12 11:06 AM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Javadog said:
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Terry M said:
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Javadog said:
Terry, how are the Aloha H.u. doing?
Out of town right now, but hopefully my new sawdust/wood chip bags of both A and B strains are growing nicely.
Cool. Thanks for the update.
I made some straw blocks of the H. t. that JJ sent me, but this culture
seems to have resisted cleaning up. I may try a hot pour on one of
these dishes. (the blocks are colonizing, but look ugly...bacteria)
Good luck,
JD
nasty bacteria! it really seems invested in staying in that culture LOL.
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Another method is the transfer a contammed wedge to peroxidated agar, then take a metal cigar tube, or similar small metal cylinder and heat it up, then place it over the agar wedge and burn a circle into the agar (around the wedge). The mushroom mycelium will be the first thing to grow over this 'moat'/ring, as soon as it does, cut the leading edge to fresh plates. The mycelium seems to pass right over the indent, whereas contams seem to dip down into it.
Weird i know but it helps.
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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: NSF]
#15891905 - 03/02/12 09:01 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Another method is the transfer a contammed wedge to peroxidated agar, then take a metal cigar tube, or similar small metal cylinder and heat it up, then place it over the agar wedge and burn a circle into the agar (around the wedge). The mushroom mycelium will be the first thing to grow over this 'moat'/ring, as soon as it does, cut the leading edge to fresh plates. The mycelium seems to pass right over the indent, whereas contams seem to dip down into it.
Weird i know but it helps.
I am very happy to learn an alternative.
It is a clear plan too, as the hyphae will be able to reach across the moat
where the bacteria will be left on the "shore".
(there is the legendary "bacteria literally growing on/with the fungus"
situation, but I will never solve that with transfers anyway...well
maybe this is where a very hot pour might lead...)
Thanks for taking the time.
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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: NSF]
#15894681 - 03/03/12 03:35 PM (1 year, 2 months ago) |
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Thanks NSF thats a new one on me but worth a try for a bacterial culture
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i like it i have an a few cultures i need to work on thanks for the tip!
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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: Terry M]
#16012431 - 03/29/12 09:25 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I've got a bag of H. ulmarius Aloha strain A colonized nicely. But I'm having trouble getting it to fruit.
I've tried 70 degrees F. at 95% humidity with no luck, and am currently trying 60 degrees F. at 95% humidity. That's an AC unit below in the picture, which maintains around 60 degrees in my "cool" indoor mini-greenhouse.
This is most definitely not an oyster mushroom masquerading as Hypsizygus. Its growth is much slower. I'm trying the lower temperature because this is what Hypsizygus tessulatus likes for fruiting. So far, nothing. 
BTW, the "B" strain from Aloha seems inferior. Its growth is much slower than "A." Still trying to fully colonize a bag with it.
Anyone have a good idea how to convince this sucker to fruit?
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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: Terry M]
#16012493 - 03/29/12 09:54 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Well if it is anything like H Tess then patience - about 70-80 days inccubation. I have one batch of H Tess that has taken 60 days between flushes!
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updates? i dont want this thread to die. the mysteries here are to interesting.
hopefully my H.u patch will start pinning so i can go get some more clones.
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I have not dropped the effort.
My latest isolation of H. u. on agar appear clean.
I have some bird-seed soaking for it, and other species, right now.
I will post results, here, when I can.
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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: Javadog]
#16120184 - 04/21/12 02:55 PM (1 year, 27 days ago) |
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im excited to see that!
any word from you andy and your aloha bag, looking forward to seeing fruit!
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Elm Oysters should be extremely fast. My aloha strain will colonize a sawdust substrate block in about ten to fifteen days, and begin fruiting a week later. It seems my Stamets strain was the same way.
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Elm Oysters should be extremely fast. My aloha strain will colonize a sawdust substrate block in about ten to fifteen days, and begin fruiting a week later. It seems my Stamets strain was the same way.
RR
Do you remember if either had decurrent gills? The genus Hypsizygus as originally described by Singer in 1947 specified that the gills are "adnexed or adnate," but never decurrent. He also describes the spores as globose or subglobose. And in this paper, he also mentions confusion about what Europeans vs. Americans classify as H. ulmarius!
We've been trying to figure out who the real H. ulmarius is in this thread. The wild species appears not to have decurrent gills. I've got Aloha strains A and B, but I've been unable to get strain A to fruit so far, and strain B is so weak that I can't get it to fully colonize a sawdust/wood chip bag.
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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: Terry M]
#16123537 - 04/22/12 10:35 AM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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Woodchips? Use sawdust and see if it works better. Supplement with cereal bran and spent coffee grinds.
I don't remember the gills, and I can't grow them any more due to spore allergy to find out. I do remember they were tougher and poor tasting, compared to P ostreatus, thus I didn't stick with growing them too long.
Here's an indoor mini-greenhouse grow I did about 5 years ago.
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http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/6044833#6044833
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Woodchips? Use sawdust and see if it works better. Supplement with cereal bran and spent coffee grinds.
Will try this. I currently use a ratio of 1 part bran to 12 parts sawdust for my all-sawdust bags. Does this sound reasonable? Roughly how much spent coffee grounds would you recommend?
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Re: Elm Oysters [Re: Terry M]
#16123622 - 04/22/12 11:09 AM (1 year, 26 days ago) |
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1 part bran to 12 parts sawdust for my all-sawdust bags
That's fine for elm oysters but don't try that much bran with shiitake or you'll grow mutants.
I dump my morning coffee grinds into every substrate daily. You can use coffee grinds if you have them up to about 25% or so to the sawdust.
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rogers grow looks like it has decurrent gills unlike the wild ones. most likely not the real elm oyster.
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