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I think we can all agree that irrationality is contagious. It spreads, like a disease. I'm not sure if I appear angry, but I definitely am at times. It makes me angry to see someone indiscriminately spreading diseases.
Who exactly are you calling out? We want names... this is getting juicy.
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 Re: Why So Serious?  [Re: 4896744]
#16085609 - 04/13/12 05:37 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Can't speak for others, but generally none of my debates upset me. They're an exercise for the sake of entertainment, and also to put my beliefs "out there" in the PS&P crucible to see it they can stand the fire. If someone can show me why they don't, I dump them unceremoniously and form new ones in light of what I've learned. Done it before and probably will again.
I'm just coked up and having conversation
I'm just opiated and having several conversations. Enjoying the crap out of life while the getting is still good. Getting upset with little blips of light on a screen is not my idea of enjoyment. 
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Re: Why So Serious? [Re: 4896744] 2
#16085641 - 04/13/12 05:43 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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i agree. religious bashing is boring, and way too mainstream... and an easy target like pickin on the down syndrome kid... why not challenge yourself? you should be confident enough to go for the kid with a hearing aid...
i wonder if religion is necessarily qualitatively different to any other kind of lifestyle (surfer, stock broker, clubber, shroomer, opra devotee, etc etc)... and if not why people dont pick on the other ways of living that may have a much greater material impact on the world around them than simply practicing some old traditions...?
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Re: Why So Serious? [Re: quinn]
#16085681 - 04/13/12 05:54 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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most people that get pissed about religion (trust me on this one guys) were brought up religious and are exercising the last of the demons to get free of it for good. I've done tons of bashing myself for that reason but now rarely start threads on it cause most of the demons are gone. But let me tell you when you get it laid on thick it from the time you are a little shit it's very difficult to get rid of and you have to keep at it.
OC = Catholic
ICE = Baptist.
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Re: Why So Serious? [Re: quinn]
#16085733 - 04/13/12 06:04 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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quinn said:
i agree. religious bashing is boring, and way too mainstream... and an easy target like pickin on the down syndrome kid... why not challenge yourself? you should be confident enough to go for the kid with a hearing aid...
i wonder if religion is necessarily qualitatively different to any other kind of lifestyle (surfer, stock broker, clubber, shroomer, opra devotee, etc etc)... and if not why people dont pick on the other ways of living that may have a much greater material impact on the world around them than simply practicing some old traditions...?
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quinn
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i guess i got off pretty easy being jewish (hence athiest)
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Re: Why So Serious? [Re: 4896744]
#16088135 - 04/14/12 08:19 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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iThink said:
It seems that many posters here are constantly inflamed by irrational acts committed by others. One such example is the constant bashing of religion that goes on here. Now for the sake of philosophical discussion, I totally understand deconstructing such beliefs, but what I don't get is becoming upset over the inconsistent views of others.
It seems to me that people are the product of their environments, and that everyone is trying their best to make sense of the world. What is the point in getting angry at people because they lack the mental capabilities necessary for facing and understanding reality? I don't see how it is any different than getting mad at a child with down syndrome for not behaving like an adult of average intelligence.
Often the claims of anger seem misplaced. People accuse me of it often in the political forum and I certainly think its a silly suggestion. It seems that any rigorous or serious treatment of an argument or belief one finds silly, wrong, or harmful suggests to some that the poster is angry or something. I don't really get it, but it certainly seems true.
Likewise with discussion of irrational religious beliefs, anger doesn't seem common in this forum.
I do find it a tad bit condescending to suggest that criticizing religious beliefs is like getting mad at a mentally ill person for not knowing something they are unable to know. The religious beliefs are not negative or ignorant claims- they tend to be positive assertions. This is not like the case where someone doesn't know something they perhaps should- it is someone claiming something they have no rational reason to believe.
Indeed, the religious making these claims are not unable to see the problem- they recognize it with the claims of every single other faith except their own. The muslims can tell you exactly why the Hindu beliefs are silly, the Christians can tell you exactly what the logical gaps in the Muslim argument is.
The position of some academics that religion is for the "low people" who "need it" but "we obviously know it is crap" seems rather cynical and unjustly dismissive of the ability of less educated people- people who tend to be perfectly capable or recognizing the obvious flaws... in other people's religions.
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Re: Why So Serious? [Re: johnm214]
#16088145 - 04/14/12 08:27 AM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Indeed, the religious making these claims are not unable to see the problem- they recognize it with the claims of every single other faith except their own. The muslims can tell you exactly why the Hindu beliefs are silly, the Christians can tell you exactly what the logical gaps in the Muslim argument is.
The position of some academics that religion is for the "low people" who "need it" but "we obviously know it is crap" seems rather cynical and unjustly dismissive of the ability of less educated people- people who tend to be perfectly capable or recognizing the obvious flaws... in other people's religions.
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Re: Why So Serious? [Re: 4896744]
#16088783 - 04/14/12 12:52 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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iThink said:What is the point in getting angry at people because they lack the mental capabilities necessary for facing and understanding reality? I don't see how it is any different than getting mad at a child with down syndrome for not behaving like an adult of average intelligence.
Because most people who believe in religion don't have down syndrome. They have the mental capabilities necessary to make an informed spiritual choice. They just don't because they're scared and confused. I get mad at them because religion is a cage that holds our consciousness from achieving its full potential and these people are promoting and supporting it. They're in the corner of our oppressors.
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Re: Why So Serious? [Re: 4896744]
#16088814 - 04/14/12 01:01 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I think something lots of people have in common here is either not embracing society or not being embraced by society and this actually produces a lot of fear.
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Re: Why So Serious? [Re: Freedom]
#16093595 - 04/15/12 03:36 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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Fear, anger, jealousy
So many different thoughts and emotions can be experienced when faced with an idea that differs from your own.
It's just part of the process of learning and growing if you ask me.
I like trying to be as calm and rolling with the punches as possible, but sometimes you just get heated!
Try to stay in the moment and realize it probably doesn't matter at all.
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#16093853 - 04/15/12 05:00 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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what's the point of getting angry at a faceless adversary over the internet?
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There doesn't have to be a point if one is not emotionally capable of not getting angry at fear producing stimuli no matter where it comes from.
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perhaps with this view point there may be more useful discussions in which reason trumps emotional responses.
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How do you know how serious some people are? I am often having a laugh behind the screen while sounding serious in my posts.
Truth is over the internet you never really know who the man behind the curtain is.
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Re: Why So Serious? [Re: Jwlst]
#16095030 - 04/15/12 10:24 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I am often having a laugh behind the screen while sounding serious in my posts.
Sounds like me in a lot of face to face conversation 
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Re: Why So Serious? [Re: Jwlst]
#16095129 - 04/15/12 10:46 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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I think one can hide just as easily in person.
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interesting development. where is the arena for the practice of authentic self? with others? when alone? on the interwebs? workplace? bedroom? peaking? meditation?
everyone has differant answers methinks
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Re: Why So Serious? [Re: quinn]
#16095372 - 04/15/12 11:53 PM (1 year, 1 month ago) |
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i'd like to know the arena for the finding of the authentic self.
then i might consider the practice.
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authentic self is a practice... maybe the practice of 'finding it' is yours 
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