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Re: Obama: ‘I Don't Mind A Debate' About Drug Legalization [Video interview w/ Obama Included] [Re: Nullface]
    #16092656 - 04/15/12 10:34 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Thanks for that blanket insult jack ass.


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Re: Obama: ‘I Don't Mind A Debate' About Drug Legalization [Video interview w/ Obama Included] [Re: Cactilove] * 2
    #16092990 - 04/15/12 12:07 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Even if it seems certain that you will lose, retaliate. Neither wisdom or technique has a place in this. A real man does not think of victory or defeat. He plunges recklessly towards an irrational death. By doing this, you will awaken from your dreams. - Tsunetomo Yamamoto




Sounds like some really great manipulative propaganda.

Yeah guys, plunge headlong into death instead of living lives and raising families and teaching them moral living.


Lol soldiers are some of the fucking dumbest.


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Re: Obama: ‘I Don't Mind A Debate' About Drug Legalization [Video interview w/ Obama Included] [Re: Nullface]
    #16093193 - 04/15/12 12:58 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Stupid stoners all over the comment section on their high horse about marijuana should be legalized and that people should learn about it before judging yet use the same misinformation they preach against on the usage of 'hard' drugs saying they want all of them kept illegal. They think users of other drugs are scum yet they spend all their time and money high on marijuana. Fuck stoners and fuck marijuana culture.




Hmm, complains about cannabis users hating other drug users then bashes ALL weed smokers.

Maybe if you smoked some good weed you wouldn't be so blatantly hypocritical :stoned:


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Re: Obama: ‘I Don't Mind A Debate' About Drug Legalization [Video interview w/ Obama Included] [Re: Nullface]
    #16093268 - 04/15/12 01:28 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Nullface said:
Stupid stoners all over the comment section on their high horse about marijuana should be legalized and that people should learn about it before judging yet use the same misinformation they preach against on the usage of 'hard' drugs saying they want all of them kept illegal. They think users of other drugs are scum yet they spend all their time and money high on marijuana. Fuck stoners and fuck marijuana culture.



Fuck you man. Nothin wrong with spending your earnings on weed. Nothing wrong with the culture. Legalize EVERYTHING.


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Re: Obama: ‘I Don't Mind A Debate' About Drug Legalization [Video interview w/ Obama Included] [Re: Humility]
    #16093392 - 04/15/12 02:23 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Even if it seems certain that you will lose, retaliate. Neither wisdom or technique has a place in this. A real man does not think of victory or defeat. He plunges recklessly towards an irrational death. By doing this, you will awaken from your dreams. - Tsunetomo Yamamoto




Sounds like some really great manipulative propaganda.

Yeah guys, plunge headlong into death instead of living lives and raising families and teaching them moral living.


Lol soldiers are some of the fucking dumbest.





hahahaha YUS, that is DEFINITELY the meaning behind that quotation; it was to stir soldiers to fight and die for the emperor.

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Re: Obama: ‘I Don't Mind A Debate' About Drug Legalization [Video interview w/ Obama Included] [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
    #16093691 - 04/15/12 04:02 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Lol if he's open to debate why did they snuff the questions on his recent public debates lol


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Re: Obama: ‘I Don't Mind A Debate' About Drug Legalization [Video interview w/ Obama Included] [Re: smily]
    #16094860 - 04/15/12 09:52 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

'I don't mind a debate (so long as I set the parameters for what is considered reasonable discussion, and I get to decide the winner.)'

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They think users of other drugs are scum...




It's a valid point. I hear, 'at least it's not sugar, fat, alcohol, tobacco,' and so on.

The discussion should have been about privacy of persons and property, not how they would be taxed and regulated.


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Re: Obama: ‘I Don't Mind A Debate' About Drug Legalization [Video interview w/ Obama Included] [Re: Nullface]
    #16094890 - 04/15/12 09:59 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

dude as someone who truly respects what you said....

please be careful with what you let go public over this site or anywhere else, if the wrong person reads that you will surely have something to worry about.

with that said, i admire your courage.

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Re: Obama: ‘I Don't Mind A Debate' About Drug Legalization [Video interview w/ Obama Included] [Re: desert father] * 1
    #16095053 - 04/15/12 10:27 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

As for the pro-Paul sentiment, he never promises to restore people, whose natural rights were violated, essentially allows the same abuses to continue at state level, or wrapped in Constitutional language.


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Re: Obama: ‘I Don't Mind A Debate' About Drug Legalization [Video interview w/ Obama Included] [Re: durian_2008]
    #16095068 - 04/15/12 10:29 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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As for the pro-Paul sentiment, he never promises to restore people, whose natural rights were violated, essentially allows the same abuses to continue at state level, or wrapped in Constitutional language.



Yah, your right. It is giving us a better chance of making the happen less. Thats all it really is in my mind.


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Re: Obama: ‘I Don't Mind A Debate' About Drug Legalization [Video interview w/ Obama Included] [Re: King Klick] * 1
    #16095725 - 04/16/12 01:39 AM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Hmm, complains about cannabis users hating other drug users then bashes ALL weed smokers.

Maybe if you smoked some good weed you wouldn't be so blatantly hypocritical




Dude does have a point though. Many stoners are not flaming idiots, but the most vocal stoners are so very sadly the most retarded. I know a lot of really intelligent people who smoke, but they think about the consequences etc etc and how that could affect them. Unfortunately, that's shaped recent marijuana culture (a bunch of gangsta wannabes constantly bragging about how many blunts they roll). People are abusing the MMJ system and taking away its legitimacy. I'm all for smoking cannabis, I enjoy it and I consider myself a recreational user, but the medical marijuana system is very fragile. People who really need it should be defended. For this very reason, I feel that legalization or semi-legalization would be the best. Sell marijuana like liquor. Kids will still be able to get it just like they can jack vodka from their parents' stash. It doesn't matter. These idiot "stoners" are only hurting the cause by looking like unintelligent, loud stereotypes. When they look down upon all other drug users, it's even more irritating. I don't even like calling them stoners. Asshole is a more fitting adjective.


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Re: Obama: ‘I Don't Mind A Debate' About Drug Legalization [Video interview w/ Obama Included] [Re: aperson444]
    #16097045 - 04/16/12 12:42 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

http://www.infowars.com/obama-betrays-the-left-cheers-continued-expansion-of-drug-war-criminalization-of-plant-based-medicine/

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…Criminalization of plant-based medicine

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If you happen to need even more evidence that President Obama has gutted his campaign promises and betrayed not only the left but also African Americans who enthusiastically supported his election, he has just gone public with his support for the continued war on drugs. Keeping marijuana criminalized, it seems — and keeping more African Americans in prison — is a top priority for the Obama administration.

This means Obama supports the midnight DEA raids on our citizenry; the filling of prisons with small-time pot smokers; the disproportionately punitive sentences handed down to black men and women across America who aren’t really criminals at all… they merely suffer from achemical addictionthat would more rightly be considered a medical issue.

Nearly every country in Latin America has now openly and publicize recognized that the so-called “war on drugs” is a complete and total failure. But Obama thinks it’s just great! Fill the prisons! Prosecute more blacks! Buy more guns and night vision gear for the DEA! That’s what Obama’s America stands for, it seems.

“I personally and my administration’s position is that legalization is not the answer,” Obama said just hours before the meeting of Latin American leaders at the Convention Centre in Cartagena, Colombia, for the Americas Summit (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-latin-america-17716926). Meanwhile, Obama’s top Secret Service agents and military commanders were banging Colombian whores in the background, then refusing to pay them their $47 prostitution fee. (http://www.naturalnews.com/035580_Secret_Service_Colombia_prostitutes…) Obama had “no comment” on that particular issue.

Let’s get real about all this.Marijuana prohibition simply doesn’t work. At least not for reducing crime and drug addiction. Anyone who thinks prohibition works iscompletely delusional. But it does work for certain special interests. What are those special interests, anyway?

Who BENEFITS from the continued criminalization of marijuana?

If you really want to know why prohibition remains in place with marijuana, it’s simple to find out why. Just ask yourself “Who benefits?”

• The DEA. Without a drug “problem,” the DEA won’t get hundreds of millions of dollars worth of increases in operating budgets from the federal purse strings. If drugs were decriminalized, the DEA would have to be sharply downsized (which would be a great thing for liberty and safety but a terrible thing for the DEA honchos).

• Private prisons. Thanks to illegal agreements between prison operators and state governments, prisons can put prisoners to work at slave labor wages– just a few cents an hour — manufacturing goods that the corporate prison owners sell for pure profit. If you thought the Nike sweatshops in Asia were bad, go visit a prison in the USA some time and watch the slave labor taking place right here at home.

• Local police. The “drug war” is the excuse that local police departments use to receive more grant money for weapons, assault gear and now even armored assault vehicles to be used against the citizens. Without the drug war excuse, all this grant money disappears and these cops have to go back to actually serving the community instead of bashing in doors like a bunch of cocaine cowboys.

• The government drug runners! It’s now a well-known fact that the ATF, DEA and other government agencies are all heavily involved in running drugs across America. Just Google any of these terms if you want to check it out for yourself. The ATF is even engaged in money laundering through the globalist banks. This is why government crackdowns on drugs are highly selectively — drug raids are really just a way to eliminate the competition so that the biggest drug dealer of all — the government itself — can continue to rake in the maximum profits. Legalizing drugs would obviously cause street prices to collapse, sucking all the profits out of the government-run drug business.

• Local District Attorneys and prosecutors. Without the drug war to give them a juicy field of easy targets to prosecute, their careers would take a huge hit. It’s so much harder to arrestrealcriminals than to go after pot smokers and raw milk farmers, isn’t it? Gee, imagine the difficulty of actually fighting REAL crime for a change?

• Big Government. The entire government benefits from the continued criminalization of drugs. For starters, it establishes the outrageous precedent that government can outlaw a native plant– even a plant that has grown wild across North America for hundreds of years. This alone is an outrageous encroachment on fundamental human freedom. Beyond that, the government can always point to “drug violence” as another excuse to squash our freedoms and put in place a tyrannical police state. It’s all “for your own good,” of course. Isn’t it always?

• Big Pharma and the hospital industry. Because recreational drugs are illegal, they’re often cut with dangerous chemicals that cause liver damage and kidney damage. This results in yet more repeat business for hospitals and the drug industry. If street drugs were legalized, they would be standardized and regulated, and adulteration of those products would be extremely rare. They would besafer to use,in other words, which is exactly what the pharmaceutical industry is dead set against. They only make money when people are damaged or sick from using street drugs concocted in somebody’s trailer.

Who LOSES from the drug war? You!

So we’ve covered the beneficiaries of the drug war, but who loses from it? You do, of course: Your liberties, freedoms, tax dollars and personal safety are all threatened by the existence of the war on drugs. Decriminalizing and regulating these drugs would have an enormously positive impact on you and your life.

If drugs were decriminalized, here’s what would happen:

• Drug gangs would vanish as their source of revenues (illegal drugs at black market prices) dry up.

• Drug-related crime would sharply fall.

• State revenues would skyrocket from the regulated sale of legalized marijuana.

• The corrupt prison industry would collapse to perhaps only 25% of its current size.

• Your personal safety and security would be greatly enhanced due to the lack of drug violence, shootings, home invasions and more.

• Mexican drug gangs would lose their power base, resulting in a sharp drop in crime along the border.

• Former “criminal” pot smokers would once again become taxpaying members of the workforce, contributing to the financial upkeep of society rather than draining it as prisoners.

• The happiness index across society would sharply rise.

Even the Red Cross says decriminalize marijuana

It’s all pure economics, my friends. Cause and effect. Legalize recreational drugs and you end the violence, the crime, the prison system overload and the entire underground market for the stuff.

It’s all so obvious that even the Red Cross has called for decriminalization (http://copssaylegalize.blogspot.com/2012/03/red-cross-calls-for-drug….).

At the same time, countless members of the FBI, DEA and active-duty police organizations are also openly calling for decriminalization (http://www.leap.cc/).

The rational argument for ending prohibition is further detailed atwww.Norml.org

There are no rational reasons for keeping marijuana criminalized. There are onlypoliticalreasons for doing so. That’s why Obama continues to support the irrational war on drugs — because it’s a political issue.

Obama, the betrayer of the political left

Obama, of course, is a teleprompter-reading puppet of the global elite. He does what they tell him to do, and right now they’re telling him to keep pushing Drug War propaganda because it’s a highly effective way to expand the police state and keep people living in fear while denying them access to plant-based medicine.

Obama, it turns out, has betrayed the left so many times I can hardly keep count: He supports the GMO industry, he signed the NDAA which expands secret arrests and secret Gitmo-style prisons, he’s an opponent of farm and food freedom (http://www.naturalnews.com/035301_Obama_executive_orders_food_supply….) and he has proven himself to be nothing more than a big business operative who defends the status quo while preaching “hope and change” that he never delivers.

Obama has assaulted free speech, due process (http://www.naturalnews.com/034537_NDAA_Bill_of_Rights_Obama.html), medical freedom and parental rights. In doing so, he has betrayed many of the top priorities of the very people who once put him into office.

He wants to keep marijuana criminalized because that’s what the police state fascist system of corporate control wants.

Of course, this doesn’t mean the alternatives we’re given are going to be any better. This is not some pitch for Romney, for God’s sake. That guy is just as much of a corporate sellout as Obama (and Bush before him). Elections are created to present the illusion that the People have a choice when, in reality, all they’re voting for is which color of puppet they want to see on television while we’re all being imprisoned, exploited, enslaved and oppressed by a growing fascist state.

Care to guess which candidate would have decriminalized marijuana from the get-go? His name is Ron Paul, and the ideas of freedom and liberty that he espouses are the real answer for the future of our nation. No matter who shows up in the ballot box this November, Ron Paul is my President, because he’s the only candidate who is deeply committed to legalizing freedom in America.
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Re: Obama: ‘I Don't Mind A Debate' About Drug Legalization [Video interview w/ Obama Included] [Re: Visionary Tools]
    #16097121 - 04/16/12 01:06 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

^^^ that deserves its own thread


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Re: Obama: ‘I Don't Mind A Debate' About Drug Legalization [Video interview w/ Obama Included] [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
    #16097295 - 04/16/12 02:02 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Guess it aint breaking the law if you dont pay for it:lol:


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Re: Obama: ‘I Don't Mind A Debate' About Drug Legalization [Video interview w/ Obama Included] [Re: aiyobro]
    #16098088 - 04/16/12 05:46 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

Obama's last words about the drug war in that video:

"I don't think that legalization of drugs is going to be the answer".

Makes it seem like the USA is going to keep choosing what the answer will be for drug policy throughout the Americas and all of Latin America will just have to deal with it.  Right now we are the most powerful nation in the world so they don't have much choice.  Down the road one day when our economy collapses and we no longer are the top dog on the world scene we will have a whole lot of pissed off neighbors who won't have to kiss our ass anymore.  Then they will do what they want.  For now everyone who is cashing in on the drug war will keep lining their pockets, Obama included.  Campaign adds are expensive and police and prison guard unions, the private prison industry, big pharma, the paper industry, the tobacco industry, the alcohol industry, etc. all have deep pockets.  Nothing will change for now.


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Re: Obama: ‘I Don't Mind A Debate' About Drug Legalization [Video interview w/ Obama Included] [Re: MushroomDogMan]
    #16098148 - 04/16/12 06:00 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

exactly, how can even the medical marijuana community lobby when profits are illegal. i guess maybe rich people who do give a shit like willy nelson need to start giving millions to norml strictly for lobbying purposes, not public education on the matter. it seems to only matter if the rich people are educated, since they're the only ones with enough lobby power to cause influence in office.


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Re: Obama: ‘I Don't Mind A Debate' About Drug Legalization [Video interview w/ Obama Included] [Re: passifloracaerulea]
    #16098426 - 04/16/12 07:03 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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Campaign adds are expensive and police and prison guard unions, the private prison industry, big pharma, the paper industry, the tobacco industry, the alcohol industry, etc. all have deep pockets.  Nothing will change for now.




True that~

I wish Obama would have pulled an FDR (an ultimate baller, in my eyes XD); within two or three months of entering office he straight up ended prohibition.

Now, as it was when Obama entered office...we got one hell of an uphill battle.

And I think people should think a bit more realistically about this; yea it sucks, Obama is not living up to the "change we can believe in"; but if you believed that, well, consider yourself gullible XD. Also, if you believe something like our current drug prohibition can somehow change overnight....well, your crazy, in short. Those monied interests in the above quote are very real, and it will take more than 1 president or 1 administration to work towards that real, sustainable "change" to our system.

So I see people saying things like "oh what a liar fuck him". Without getting into a political debate about the upcoming election (because I think that Romney would be about 1000 times worse for our country than Obama-the-follower), lets think clearly for a moment about what this quote means, politically.

One; we have come to the point where denying that there is SOME ROOM to debate this issue, is over (for him at least). This is good, and a sign of progress. Of course its not what WE all really want to hear; but reading this interview, politically, it shows quite the change. Remember when the terminator said something like this? I think that was him not trying to "piss off" either side (though of course he did).

I think that, reading between the lines, it means something wholly different from "I think there is room for debate"; I think its a signal that Obama would not fight hard against it, IF, and the big IF; the climate was different.

The climate, referring to the insane amounts of money that come forward, through political contributions/lobbies, that keep our current drug system in place. This was not as much of an issue for say, FDR, when he repealed alcohol prohibition outright. We have had an atmosphere, not only of accepting draconian drug laws, but year after year, companies POURING money into it. There is one hell of a wall to climb over.

Remember, not many months ago, in one of the many internet questionnaires, the laughing off of legalizing cannabis? Obama was not laughing this time; he was attending a conference of over 30 nations speaking about this subject, AGAINST America's point of view. Wowzer do climates change quickly.

Just my 2cents / ramble :shrug:


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Re: Obama: ‘I Don't Mind A Debate' About Drug Legalization [Video interview w/ Obama Included] [Re: LongStrangeTrip]
    #16098636 - 04/16/12 07:58 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

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We won't get fooled again."- The Who



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Re: Obama: ‘I Don't Mind A Debate' About Drug Legalization [Video interview w/ Obama Included] [Re: Nature Boy]
    #16099036 - 04/16/12 09:42 PM (1 year, 1 month ago)

If things kept going the way they did this country would of collapsed big time.


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